Court

Don't the DWTS usually dance down to their celebrity? Maybe that's part of it.

I believe she was highly sedated for these.

I enjoyed it. I laughed a few times.

Mothers do kill their children. Women do kill. We have a hard time believing it but women are capable of being murderers. I don't know if Patsy did it but she's capabale I thought Dateline did a pretty good job of balancing their coverage. They presented both sides and conflicting evidence. Maybe the missing stuff was thrown away. Maybe the missing stuff was thrown away. The police missed a body, they could have missed that stuff! We don't know when the stun gun was used. Perhaps one of them did it so no one would hear her. Not a single shred of evidence, including the DNA, can be trusted completely to support either view because the scene was so contaminated. Transfer DNA is what a lawyer could say for how it got on her clothing. Or that it can't be trusted because thr chain of custody was contanimated. There may not have been 13 markers to use for the sample depending on size. Pageants aren't my thing but they're normal. What isn't normal to me is to bleach a 6 year olds hair for pageants. It's easy to see how some things point away and to the parents. Again, I cannot get rid of this quote box. Can someone help?

I'm thrilled J.T. didn't win. That's all I wanted. I would have preferred he came in 4th.

I'm thinking that she was in deep denial. I found her interview heartbreaking. It's clear she is still really struggling. She also feels a lot of guilt too. I hope she stays sober too.

Yes, the DA and the police were also at odds from the beginning. That was one of the many issues. That house was a maze so I can see how someone unfamiliar with the house would miss the wine cellar. The family friend Fleet White said he had already checked that are when John went to check it. My son is 8 and he would absolutely be that wiggly on a normal day.

I agree. It would be easier for me to keep up.

It was the FBI that let everyone in the house originally, not the Boulder police. Kidnappigs are FBI, it went to Boulder police once it was a homicide. The police still did a terrible job. Watch the FBI guy in the Dateline clip, I liked him for the most part. But his attitude about this bothered me. He was all peace, it's your jurisdiction now and you have a contaminated crime scene.

Burke was nine. Maybe if he was older, I could see that theory holding water. But he was 9! I just can't see him being involved. I have the entire Flowers in the Attic series still. Maybe one day they'll get a match on that DNA. Are the police just waiting on Codis? Or are they getting DNA from anyone involved at the time currently? Did the go back through to see if it matched anyone? I think they should retest anyone previously excluded.

I'm excited for the 4 new fall movies.

The experts disagree on the sexual trauma being present before the killing. She had a history of vaginosis which would explain the swelling. I have the same other questions as you. Maybe the kidnapping was meant to give him enough time to get away? I'm brainstorming.

I would guess the intruder was afraid of being heard if he didn't exit the window. Or leaving his fingerprints somewhere. He had to be very familiar with the house.

I did say that. But the sentence directly following that also says this. We agree that it doesn't mean a thing anyways.

I took it as before but I'm not sure they specifically said that. Dateline said the friends went behind the fingerprint tech and cleaned up each time. Ultimately, their fingerprints on the bowl make sense. Maybe they gave it to her but as I said above. It doesn't eliminate the intruder being a possibility. Like I said in the post, I don't think it means anything and it doesn't eliminate an intruder being a possibility. I was mainly saying it was fingerprinted.

I thought Dateline did a much better job of balancing their coverage as opposed to the A&E special. Two things I found interesting in my googling last night. Fleet White one of the friends had said he already checked the wine cellar when John checked the house again. I now want to know more about him. Was he checked out? Their friends? The D.A. Alex Hunter thought Smit became too close to the Ramsey's and therefore the case. That he was influenced by his friendship he developed with them and that they were Christians like him. What I still can't understand is why the FBI let everyone in the house even for a kidnapping? Then once she was found, he was all peace, not my problem, you have a contaminated crime scene? Then that the friends were allowed to go behind the fingerprint tech and clean up!?? That's baffling.

@AZChristian I watched that about an hour after I posted. Thanks! So, was the suitcase the Ramsey's? Or it wasn't? I guess that doesn't really matter. It just shows the intruder was very familiar with the house. I thought Dateline did a much better job of balancing their coverage ad opposed to the A&E special. Two things I found interesting in my googling last night. Fleet White one of the friends had said he already checked the wine cellar when John checked the house again. I now want to know more about him. The D.A. Alex Hunter thought Smit became too close to the Ramsey's and therefore the case. That he was influenced by his friendship he developed with them and that they were Christians like him.

The bowl was fingerprinted. It had Burke's and Patsy's prints on it. It doesn't mean a thing except that one of them and not a stranger gave her the pineapple. It doesn't eliminate a stranger/intruder as a killer. If it was an intruder, why did it happen in the home? Why not remove her from the home? It's never made sense to me that the killer would kill her in a home with other people and then go home. It seems very risky that way. What is the theory around that?

I don't blame CB for wanting out. I adore her and she's why I started watching this show. However, I'm betting she wasn't a fan of her storylines.

I'm not sure any piece of evidence can be presented as surefire on either side. Simply because the scene was so compromised. Both sides ignore things. I'm in the middle but I can see both sides easily. Or that the parents are covering for someone. The missing stuff? The parents could have hidden it. Someone could have thrown it away. The police did an awful job and maybe it was overlooked. Sexual abuse wasn't ruled out. Her pedi said he hadn't seen signs. ME have said they can't say. The open window and grate? Maybe one of the parents staged it to look as if there was an intruder. John had said he broke the window when locked out. I do think someone could have gotten in that way, easily. I'm not going to judge how someone grieves. I don't think there is a right way. But the oddest thing to me is that they didn't search the entire house the second they realized she was missing. Even if you think she was kidnapped, I know I'd search the entire house. I realize that doesn't mean they're guilty, it just bugs me. Any defense is going to say the DNA is unreliable because of everyone that was allowed to go into the house and clean up. Or use the DNA transfer to explain it away. DNA is not a surefire way to prove who did it in this case considering how compromised the scene was.

I thought that this article was interesting. Was there any unknown hair at the scene? http://sciencebulletin.org/archives/5016.html

I didn't have any trouble understanding anyone. It was true. I found the bus scene hysterical.

Yes, the window grate is crazy. I can look at it and clearly see anyone can get through it. I mean she was in there anyways. It's not that hard.

I could have made up the rich and powerful part. I think I assumed the rich part because I assumed he paid for med school.

@Deanie87 Yes, terribly inconsistent and I don't see how the timeline fits. I can't stand Jo but I don't blame her in any way for Alex beating DeLuca up. That's on him, not her. When did she change her name? After med school? Ok, so did Richard or whoever the chief was at the time know this due to the school records? When did she leave him? It had to all happen very quickly, right? If her ex husband is so rich and powerful, wouldn't it be fairly easy to track her down? I'm assuming he paid for med school? I don't know why I'm bothering to figure this out. Also, shouldn't the police figure out who beat Deluca up? The drs should treat him. Alex deserves consequences for this. Abut it is going to furstrate me if people who have done worse or just as bad are tougher on him than they were on other characters.