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Kody gave away that all of his relationships are "business" transactions. If he doesn't feel love and respected then he gives no love or respect. He just has such a convoluted way to describe it, added with his overly dramatic "performance" for the cameras and he looks like a man spewing nonsense on the street corner.

I have wondered this for a long time.

I think that is exactly how Robyn sees the family. I think Kody does as well, that is why they are on the same page about it. Robyn said that Kody missed "the family experience"...NOT the FAMILY. But the loud busy laughing family gathering experience. Just like the "Brown Family Mosh Pitt", all of them are supposed to make him feel like the center of attention so he can strut around "his family". But then go away because he also becomes very irritated and overwhelmed by them. Robyn wanted the family that put on a show for her back in Lehi. Being welcoming and friendly. She wanted those people to be Stepford Sister Wives to always smile and be kind and to always always just act out her fantasy BUT to never deviate from her script. Not to be themselves with rough and tumble children, but to treat her kids exactly how she instructs them. She has very obvious deep childhood wounds and she needs to address that for herself instead of expecting 17 other human beings to act out her do over life. And as someone mentioned over in the live feed, that sittin' thur on the bathroom floor soliloquy looked like she was medicated. Yep. Loyal. Like a golden retriever.

I think this right here is why Kody is being such a baby about the wedding event. At all the big get togethers where there is dancing the "great" thing about it is the "Brown Family Mosh Pit". Which simply means everyone dancing with Kody at the center so that he feels like king of the dance floor. Kody's wives and children were always supposed to make him feel like Mr. Super Special Man.

I have quite a few flowers that were developed by Floret in my garden right now. Sunflower Steve's story of finding one odd ball sunflower in a field and just letting it grow to collect only a few seeds is quite fascinating. And on topic...Go Janelle and get your hands dirty on the farm. A good chunk of my garden is flowers vs just vegetables these days.

Poor Logan and Michelle. They choose not to have the wedding be a spectacle of the family reality business and here it is being bickered about.

The way the properties were set up has been head scratching from the beginning. After they purchased it people were looking at the real life county website and talking about the multi names on each parcel. But then when filming caught up to the land purchase what they said on the show was very different than reality. For a long time they acted on the show like it was one big rectangle of 14 acres and they would divide it into 4 lots and build their Arizona cul de sac version 2.0. How many hours of filming was dedicated to Kody pontificating about lot division, how many walks of the land was filmed with all of them arguing who goes where when the reality was more convoluted. I think by the time Christine said on the show that she swapped her interest in the one parcel with her house equity she honestly thought the rest of them would still move forward with dividing everything up into even parcels. Three for wives and one for Kody's get away fun house. By the sound of it Kody needs a two acre pole barn for storage. Somewhere along the way Kody started considering the "family" account his personal account. Janelle made it clear that family money paid the down payment on Christine's Flagstaff house and yet Kody stated that "he and Robyn" gave Christine the down payment money.

Speed? She could quickly quit claim her interest in the property in one step. Signing it over to Janelle or Meri or both would have taken longer. She wanted out quickly and it's easier to get it done that way before Kody had too long to think it over and try to come up with a way to screw her over. I also suspect she may have thought that Kody would be fair with the division, but in the end it wasn't her circus anymore.

I am pulling this quote from @Denizein the live chat thread. My fuzzy brain remembers a few things from back then. "Family" money goes to Christine in 2018 when she bought her house in Flagstaff. She pulled a great card when she sold the house because the equity was pretty much equal to her value of the Coyote Pass properties. Even swap. While it wasn't on camera she also had the trump card of Kody stating on camera that a 'pro' of wives having their own houses was if a wife leaves, she has the ability to take equity money with her. Naturally Kody being Kody he then acted like Christine was stealing his personal money when she up and did just that. So then vegas houses sell, and all that equity $$ pours into Robyn's current house, but Christine's house in Vegas didn't sell until after Kody/Robyn bought the big house. They have never stated anything about whether or not Christine had any equity from her Vegas house. It was on the market for more than 12 months and she would have been paying two mortgage payments for that time. And...some things they never talked about. So Robyn is saying that the last big thing that "family" money paid for was her house(2019). Meanwhile around the time of Ysabels surgery being planned (2020) Christine is doing lots of LLR sales and pushing pushing. She stated at some point that she had to come up with $50,000 co-pay for the surgery and it took time to find insurance that would cover it. She also let slip in one of those sales that she was still paying for Truely's hospital bill that was over $400,000. None of this has ever been discussed on the show, but just leaked out when Christine was scrambling to pay bills for her children. All the while Kody claims on the show that the "family pot" pays for big expenses for the kids. Funny how when really really big bills that aren't houses or cars or art but actual quality of life (or death) bills the family pot dries up and Christine and her kids are on their own.

I downsized years ago from a half acre garden and chasing 50 chickens with two young kids and pets to a quarter acre garden with no more chickens, kids are grown and just two cats now. My garden is veggies for the house, lots of flowers and herbs and it keeps me busy 10 out of 12 months in the year. It is a LOT of work, but I love my garden and it is an important part of my mental health. I grew up and still live in an agricultural area and know what it takes to make it work. Sure, I love the photos and videos from Floret flower(Instagram and youtube) and she is a great inspiration but I also know she has a huge team of people behind the camera working hard for long hours. There are two ways to make a farm. Both take hard work, but one is having a whole lot of money to set up infrastructure to save years of hard work.

As an adult looking back to my childhood I can say that yes...passive aggressive, silent treatment and petty behavior by adults most certainly trickles down to children. Also looking at my childhood experiences I suspect that family members would show up to gatherings just to perform for others. Being very open and friendly to some to then make it very obvious (and public) that they are shunning others. Just being in the room at that shower, tripping over camera people to boot, with Christine in one corner and Kody/Robyn as a unit in the other would have made the air heavy with awkwardness. Tho I also think that Myketi either is fully immune from awkwardness or she uses it as fuel.

I am having a bit of a laugh when people on reddit are saying "it can't be a farm if it only grows flowers..."

So. Does this mean that Kody has to give up financial documents to the court ?

I make wicked good Elderberry Sangria !! 😉

Also, after you become a parent and fill that role with your significant other you can more clearly understand how your parents were lacking when you were the kid and what you missed out on because your parents are who they are. The three day trip with Ysabel was driving her from Maddie's house in North Carolina to Utah.

Well. Same old same old. Kody is just a slightly older sad little man who expects everyone around him to do all the work of life and relationships. He still has zero emotional self understanding. He comes off as a big toddler in his talking heads and he must be an absolutely miserable person to be around. No wonder Robyn looks so exhausted. I will say that Meri seems more relaxed and what I imagine is a closer version of her authentic self. Christine is every bit a showboat as Kody is. Robyn is Robyn and it is so hard to wrap my head around how her head puts those thoughts together. I do suspect that Robyn refuses to be filmed in any way past those set up, standin' there, conversations that are fully mapped out before filming. I think the most interesting take away is confirmation of how the Coyote Pass parcels were financed. Kody Brown, the great sellsman, agreed to pay CASH for the two largest parcels and then use them as collateral for a private loan from the owner for the two smaller parcels with a time stipulation that all the property reverts back to the owner if the loan isn't paid off on a specific date. Using the time date of purchase in June 2018 it looks like it was a 5 year countdown. In that time they spent money for Christine's downpayment for her house and then Robyn's house took away Janelle, Meri and Robyn's vegas houses' equity as well as Robyn's house slowly filling with all those framed artworks and statues and huge geode amethyst dust collecting collectables as well as all the things people have discussed that fill every surface in her house. And Kody has the audacity to demand that Christine pay off the land when she sells her house in Flagstaff? Once again this season picks up in the fall-ish of 2022 and most likely will wrap up around Christmas 2023...keeping everything still a year behind.

Someone on reddit made a list of the paintings/prints and sculptures du arts and did a deep dive finding the cost of everything. Last I saw it was almost $200,000.

I grew up where our water was spring fed and then after the neighbor did some selective logging it would run dirty after heavy rains, then my Grandparents had a well drilled. Most of my life has been living with wells and septic so I naturally go with the ebb and flow of water conservation. We are fortunate where our home is located, the hillside behind us produces a creek, two artesian springs and feeds our well and our closest neighbor who owns the hillside. When I see the springs (both flow through our property) dry during the summer I know to take it easy on water usage in the house. We have never run dry, but I have always been cautious. When Kody was faffing about during the delivery of the water tank I laughed when he thought that would be big enough to potentially feed four households filled with people accustomed to piped in city water.

Back when they did a little filming in the kitchen/living area it looked like they kept the original furniture and jammed theirs in with it.

If I remember correctly I read that the water tank is filled twice a month with a cost of $600 a fill up. Water is a fluctuating commodity just like electricity and gas, the price goes up and down. I can't imagine a water bill like that.

After seeing the (now removed) photo on the house listing page of the back garage door open and chocker block full of junk...and then watching the tik tock video where a woman pretended to be interested as a buyer and filmed her walk through, they have so much stuff ! Some of the stuff in the listing photos seemed to have been cleared, but when she was in the main garage there was a long wall completely covered floor to ceiling in shelves with the large plastic storage tubs and then those shelves had boxes and stuff in front of them as well. Since Kody threw a fit about having to move his personal stuff that was stored at Janelle and Christine's houses, his house is now overflowing. Combine that with all of the shopping that Robyn does and I can understand that they are strapping for room. Oh. Downstairs in a hallway he has a painting or a print that is maybe 6 feet wide and looks to be floor to ceiling (8 feet tall?) It was too dark to really make out what it was a painting of...but it was bizarre. The woman who filmed it kept commenting that the hallways and rooms were really dark because of the matt paint in darker colors.

I always had a "conspiracy theory" that since Janelle, Christine and Meri all shrugged their shoulders saying that Kody was rarely at their houses and Robyn followed suit that he isn't always at her house and she has no idea where he was ...that Kody actually went to a hotel for peace, quiet, a extra long hot shower and a good nights sleep.

Knowing that Kody sells his firearm accessories at expo type shows I would not be surprised if he does a lot of cash dealings. Buy things from peoples with cash, sell to people with cash and then pay cash for all these "art works". Keeps it all off the books...however that only works if the items that you store to later sell for more cash does not hold its worth or has no buyers...that's a lot of lost cash. Also...what happened to the Kody Brown : part time father, full time asshat thread title ?

I made the "go big" mistake when I started my garden at my house after we moved in. You could still see the ground disturbance outline off the original builder's garden. A traditional 75' by 100-150'. I mapped out 4'x25' beds...18 of them. My husband tilled them up and I very quickly became overwhelmed since I worked full time and had teenagers to run around to school and various activities. Worse the ground here is heavy clay that was so different from the loam I had gardened on before. In 2020 we started renovating but were smarter about it. I split each 4x25 in ground bed into sections. Two 4x10 raised beds with a walkway between them and an end cap for perennials. We have continued to add beds each year since and still aren't done. Raised beds just makes it easier to pull weeds. I hope we get to see Maddie and Janelle's farm land at some point. Flower farming is a hot thing right now. It can be done on a more industrial size with 1 acre plots of one variety for wholesale harvesting. Large plots means that the work can be done with a reasonable sized tractor. Tractors are dangerous and you really need to know what you are doing to operate one, even the new high tech ones. A PTO can tear off a limb if it doesn't kill you outright. A lot of social media farm pages do glamorize with beautiful photos and content...but there are some that share the hard ships and really really hard work too.

It will be interesting. North Carolina is hot and humid. Farming is hard work, battling every bug (and birds) out there. And rain or shine. I assume that Maddie would be the force behind the heavy work in their venture. I get work done in my garden in part because of its layout. I am in a valley with forest around me. I go out early in the morning and can work in the bottom of the garden until around 8:30am when the sun hits that area. I can work higher up until about 10am then I need to be done and back to the house. While I would love that picture perfect garden that captures the sun from rise to set... I would never be able to work in it with my very pale skin. Even with proper clothing and hats I am kept to the shade.