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I think any kind of hair dye renders the hair "damaged" as far as being used for drug testing. It alters the chemical composition, maybe? I mean, I know it screws it up, I just can't explain the actual technical issue with it. Just that if you have dyed hair they have to use body hair instead. So Jenelle would simply have to color her hair and they wouldn't be able to do hair testing on her, unless they did body hair. John Oliver did a show on manufactured homes and went into the financial aspects of them. It was kind of interesting (and horrifying, really), and it didn't fully click for me until now how much of an issue it would be with Jenelle. They depreciate so quickly, like a car loan and the financing is different than a mortgage, you can't sell it like you would a typical home. And hers is sinking. She's going to be in a position where she's basically bought a shitty car that was overpriced and she's just going to have to finish paying it off and walk away from it. Only in this case, it's where she lives.

Well, we can sacrifice airing one of the many repeats of How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days or whatever other crappy movie Bravo repeats Thursday-Sunday each week so that we can have an 86 part reunion and cover it all!

Jenelle will NEVER consent to this. She has some severe mental health issues and one of the problems that she has is that she sees her children as an extension of herself. She doesn't see them as independent people who have needs, she basically sees them as things she owns. Remember her fight over the hoodie? She doesn't particularly give a shit about the child, but she'll be damned if she gives up something that is HERS. In 2010, the original court order said Jenelle could see her child as arranged by and at the discretion of Barb. In 2015, Jenelle filed a motion to modify that order and requesting full custody, which was resolved with Jenelle and Barb settling on a visitation schedule for Jenelle in 2017. Jenelle hasn't bothered to fight for custody for most of his life, she hasn't given a shit. She has just whined about how Barb was taking her son and not giving him back. Barb also didn't have to give Jenelle access (until 2017), and if things were bad she could have pushed the way Nathan and Doris did and kept Jace from Jenelle until they could investigate. My info is from here: https://people.com/tv/teen-mom-2-jenelle-evans-settles-custody-schedule-son-jace-mother-barbara/ One of the things that has always sat kind of oddly with me is the complete lack of interest Barb seems to have with Kaiser. It's almost like he's someone else's kid. I don't understand how she could be so concerned about the situation on the land, be working with Nathan and Doris to try to help them get Kaiser away, and by extension Jace. But then as soon as she was back in good graces, she cut the ties with Nathan and Doris, which meant she was turning her back on protecting Kaiser, who seems to have gotten the worst of it, without having a voice. Jace was there for visits, Ensley is David's biological child. Kaiser lived there fulltime with just visits to Nathan and he was not David's child, so, that left him the most vulnerable.

Barb was actively working with Nathan and his mother to try to get Kaiser away from Jenelle right up until the moment that Jenelle was willing to reconcile with Barb, because she needed her for filming. When she was in touch with Nathan, she was sharing stuff that she saw and heard on the land. And then after she cut ties with Nathan, she was happy to be filmed talking to the producers about the situation that was going on there and why she was worried about it and why she was just going to accept whatever it was that Jenelle said, because she knew how bad it was, that she had to go along with it so that when Jenelle was ready to leave David, she'd turn to her. So Barb knows a fair amount of bad shit that has gone down. Does she know everything? I doubt it. But she knows enough and she's told us so. For the pictures being posted, this is the way I see it. These kids have grown up on tv and they are pretty recognizable. Currently a ton of details (many of which are NOT pleasant), of their lives are pretty public. Jenelle is actively trading on those stories as click bait to make money. The kids are the ones who are ultimately hurt in this, and they deserve more than anything to be able to heal, which they should be able to do privately, with as much privacy as possible. In a perfect world, they'd be able to retreat to an anonymous life, where they can grow up and not be part of a tabloid situation, the way Carly's parents have been pushing to protect her on Teen Mom. Every time Barb posts a picture of the kids, she is putting their faces out there, and their story is out there. It's just not the same as a random person posting photos of their family at the beach or at the park on a weekend.

I should have been more clear with that part of it, the child wasn't being kept a secret from everyone. We have a large extended group of friends who live in a variety of states, some friends are closer to each other (friendship wise) than others are. So not all of the group were aware of the situation, as the primary contact is through social media, I am closer to the family than some other people in the group, so I know the situation, other friends of ours were never aware that they had even fostered. Once they are adopted, they absolutely post pics. In fact, there are some very happy family pics from the courthouse when the adoption has been finalized, with the child's face finally uncovered. It's just before the adoption, while they are still being fostered that they haven't been able to do it, and I understand why.

Well, I have a few ideas. The first is that Mo could come home and look pensive while Kyle is puttering around the kitchen putting together some sort of cheese plate. He can say, "Honey, let's grab a drink I have to talk to you about something. Do you want a margarita?" She can say sure. Then they can go to the bar area of the house, and Kyle can bring the cheese. Mo can make the drinks and while he does, he can explain how they got this paperwork today about this lawsuit and they are being sued, but that it's ridiculous (in his view, of course, I actually don't think it is), etc. Or, if we wanted to go a different route, let's have Miss Accountability make a phone call and be all concerned about how Kyle is now that this news is out there. After all, there's this horrible situation about her friend and you'd definitely call to offer support, right? Or, we could have a whole storyline about how someone leaked this information to a tabloid and how it's just sour grapes to try to change a narrative instead of focusing on the fact that Mo likely committed fraud. I mean, who in the group is really focusing on the fact that Dorit dumped the dog? They're more worried about how the story spread. So the show could have focused on how Kyle had to reassure her kids that things were fine, etc.

I bet he'd love for Robin to be the next Ho. Then people could learn all about how she lovingly cares for her family and slaves away doing . . . who the hell knows what to care for them, all by herself with no help at all, while hiding that one ugly jacket that he once bought her in the back of the closet. (Sue me, I read an article she wrote in O magazine years ago and it stuck with me) Only, she wouldn't have enough time to be on the show and also sit in the audience gazing adoringly at him, so, no chance of that happening. Gotta show the world she loves her man! The potty mouth doesn't really phase me. I do get tired of hearing about BigPenisAaron, though. I also don't care how old the woman was who gave him a happy ending. Or how they had to search for a place to get one. Well, maybe I do, because I want to know this: If you're on a quest to find this and your ex-husband is Charlie Sheen, isn't that one of those cases where you're like, I know a guy who knows a guy! and then call Charlie because he's gonna have a hook up for you? I had this conversation with friends once, where we were joking around and it was asked if someone had a gun to my husband's head and said that I had 15 mins to get them some drugs, would I know where to get them. And it would be like that It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia episode where Dennis and Dee try to get crack. I would have no idea where to go or what to say, etc. In telling this story to another friend, he said "Everyone has a guy, and I'm your guy. You'd call me and I'd hook you up" (Note, he is not a dealer, just always has a few sketchy employees) But, I digress. I didn't mind Denise saying what she did to Kim about the bunny. I think that a whole lot of what Rinna said and did to Kim was wrong. Rinna should have kept her mouth shut and she should have just walked away from most of the situations with Kim and left them alone. That said, she WAS forced to endure that car ride which was way messed up. Everyone in Kim's life seems to want to pretend that the addiction issues just aren't happening and I guess that's cool for them, but it's not ok to put other people in that situation. By trying to make other people play along with the "oh, it was nothing, she just took one of Monty's pills" then they are forcing other people to go along with the choice they made. It's ok for Rinna to not be cool with that sort of behavior. I'm not saying the way Rinna went about things is the answer, but, just that she can decide that she isn't going to play along with the "oh nothing's wrong, poor Kim is just stressed" game. I think she did try to give the bunny from a genuine place and that she was truly hurt when Kim gave it back. I've always felt that giving it back was a truly shitty thing to do and Kim was just pulling a stunt to try to get camera time. If you felt it had such bad energy that you didn't want it around your grandchild, why did you keep it in your house until you could give it back? I'd have thrown it the fuck out right away. I get gifts periodically that I don't care for and I am not going to use, I just quietly pass them on to someone that can use them, whether it's another friend or I donate them. I don't toss them back at the person and give them shit for not giving it in the right spirit, not thinking enough about me to get the right thing, etc. I know it's not apples to apples, but, still. This is the one thing I'll defend Rinna on, I think she was truly hurt and it just wasn't necessary to give the bunny back. So Denise was just saying that Rinna was hurt and it was a really nasty thing to do. Kim always wants people to think about how she feels, but she doesn't care to think about how other people feel. Ever. What is even more glaring to me is that when all of this was being filmed, she knew her husband was being sued for fraud. It's very "let them eat cake" LVP, Erika, Heather Dubrow, Bethenny, Lea Black from Miami, the female realtor on Million Dollar Listing LA, for all of these women, we know that when we see them carrying a bag, it's not one they bought at target. Their shoes are expensive, etc. But they don't often talk about what they're buying or how much it is (that's not to say that they've never had a conversation about it on camera, I'm pretty sure they all have, but it's not a constant "this is x"). In the context of their homes, yes, they've talked about money, but we've also seen several of the people I've listed do a home improvement project or purchase/build a home. With Kyle, there's a constant drumbeat of "I just got this new rolex" "this is my new bag, it's a birkin" etc. Dorit is annoying for similar reasons, as she has some sort of visible label in every scene. For her, it's like "This scene is brought to you by the letters CHA and NEL" On OC, Vicki splurges on one new designer piece per year, it will have a glaring logo, and she will wear the hell out of it. One year it was a necklace with the Chanel interlocking C logo and she wore it constantly. Last year I want to say it was something with the Gucci logo.

It may be different in different states, but I can tell you that in our extended family there are several cases where children were fostered and it was explicitly explained that those children were NOT allowed to appear on any social media in any identifiable way. Prior to their adoption, there may have been a shot of one of the parents holding a child and you might see the back of their head, or if there was a birthday party and another child was in the shot and the family wanted to post it, they would put an emoji over the face of the child if the shot couldn't be cropped out. I also know of other cases where people were fostering and they had to be very, very vague about the situation. Like they can maybe say they had a foster child at the moment and that they were toddler aged. Or pre-teen. And nothing more identifying than that. Ideally, they wouldn't mention it at all, which was the case when a friend of ours was fostering. Few people even knew they were doing it, yet they were very close to adopting the child they were fostering, unfortunately the situation did not work out.

Sadly, I'm sure Maryssa has seen enough to know that it is best if she isn't around him. It wouldn't surprise me if she's relieved to hear that he's not going to fight for her, in fact, I hope it's the case. I know that people sometimes have complicated feelings towards abusive parents, but I really hope that she's able to see that it was a bad situation and that it's better for her not to be there, since she didn't live with him all of her life. I also hope the fact that they've opted not to fight for some of the kids impacts the decisions that are made regarding their custody of the other ones. They are your KIDS. You don't just decide you're going to cut your losses on a couple of them to concentrate on these other ones like some college classes that are hard.

I prefer to think of her as spanish moss. Everyone thinks it looks so pretty on all of the old oak trees in the south, but it's really a parasite that is eating their souls and kills them.

My issue with the costume isn't so much Kyle's age, it's that it was her daughter's birthday party. I don't think Kyle had do go in a nun's habit, but, there's kind of a line, you know? In the same way that "people" say you shouldn't wear a trend when it comes back around if you wore it the first time, like I was a kid/teen in the late 80s/early 90s, so wore a ton of leggings and I'm not so much into the althleisure push. It feels weird for me to wear leggings as anything other than lounge wear at home, I feel like I'm trying to wear my lazy clothes from college. I sort of feel like Kyle being a Playboy bunny is trying to compete and make a statement with Farrah, when the day was supposed to be about her and her friends. Kyle could have still done a really major costume, even with some sex/edge, but it didn't have to go THAT far. Also she could have made sure that it was something that actually fit her. The thing is, though, in the case of LVP being given credit for supporting Kyle with the mammogram, it's not like LVP is running around saying she did it. The reason people have that impression is because on the show this week, Kyle said "I took LVP with me to get one in the past" She didn't say that she went with LVP when LVP got one. She said it as she brought LVP with HER when she (Kyle) went to get one. So it's not like people are just taking credit from Kyle for no reason, they're going by her own words. Kyle has also said multiple times that she couldn't stop having kids, she'd start her career and then decide, oh, no time to have a baby! She just couldn't resist them, so she'd pop in and out and that's why her career was so disjointed. Mauricio brought it up this time, but it's not really a crazy impression to have to think she might have wanted another one.

Imagine if they all turned out to be fakes like Taylor's were? Weren't even the fakes taken in the lawsuit? Why wasn't Kyle even remotely startled when Kim popped out of the bushes, though? She was just like, oh hey, you're here! Was there supposed to be a scare actor there and she just glanced up and realized it was Kim? Does Kim normally just wander in through the shrubbery? Wait just a minute here! I will NOT allow you to malign Kyle in this manner! She had an entire pilot of a show that revolved around feeding bums in Beverly Hills bologna sandwiches with her sisters! It's not her fault that people didn't think this would be a watchable tv show. What can you expect a girl to do? I can understand her having general anxiety disorder, but she has an obligation to treat the disorder if she has it. She has 4 children and it is clearly something that greatly impacts her day to day life. Right now she's running around basically giggling and saying "Oh look how funny and cute I am! I have this anxiety!" Like it's a trendy thing she is trying on. But it is constant. She has issues with flying because she has anxiety. She has issues with her kids being away from her because she has anxiety. She has issues with drs appointments because she has anxiety. Etc. Kyle has an advantage that most people don't, in that she can SEE her life play out on tv (to an extent, since it's edited), and so she can look back at a situation and realize that her reaction was over the top. This should prompt her to go seek help so that she doesn't push these issues onto her kids. Kyle has been ramping up the "look at me! I have this money and am fabulous!" in the last few seasons. In the beginning she was always talking about how she married for love and not money (like they were living in an apartment over a pizza place and Mauricio was working in a factory while she was some sort of secretary?), but then they worked hard and things paid off. This. You know, it's funny. I seem to remember that LVP once said that Kyle makes up with people because they have houses they want to sell. For as much as Kyle keeps perpetuating the (since debunked) rumor that LVP sells stories knowing that it is false, this one has never been repeated and also never been disproven. Camille, LVP. How many others? If I were going to spend $300K on a party and $600+ on a costume for myself for it, I'd probably look into how much it would be to just have someone custom make me one. I don't know that it would be THAT much more and once you're already 15 birkins into a party, is it really that big of a deal? Then you wouldn't have an emergency trip to get a bigger size or worry about having to pull it up all night. I would say it is iconic in a way. And by that I mean if you say "she cut her hair like Lisa Rinna" you immediately know what that person means. There is absolutely NO question what style that person has, unlike if you said "she got her hair done like Heather Locklear" (I know Rinna from Melrose Place, so was trying to think of someone from the same time period). Heather has had sort of similar-ish hair for years, but it's varied, longer, shorter, curly, wavy, bangs, no bangs, etc. So you'd have to at least show a picture or name a specific time/show/etc to convey what you meant with her. For Rinna? Nah, one style. It's like Lego hair. I agree, I think a lot of people keep their previous names when there are kids involved. Some do it when it's what they are known as professionally, as well. Both of my MILs have the same last name as me (MIL and FIL divorced more than 30 years ago, FIL remarried). My MIL didn't change back to her maiden name because of my husband. If a meteor were to land on my husband and I remarried, I wouldn't change my name at work. I hold professional certifications in my married name and at this point I'd simply change my name personally, but stay the same (current married name) professionally. If my imaginary new husband couldn't handle that, then we'd not be getting married. LVP had the party for Pandora at Planet Hollywood because it was owned by an old family friend, Robert Earl. It was also Pandora's choice for the party location and Jason's choice for his bachelor party and they did it without wanting promotion for doing it, which was the reason Adrienne felt they should have gone with her hotel, so that she could have gotten the publicity. Kyle of course latched onto the "LVP sold a story" and that has been debunked. Do we know for sure that Kevin isn't Bobby Trendy? Have we ever seen them in the same place at the same time? Kevin really does remind me of an older Bobby Trendy . . . Oh I don't doubt that there already are some.

I'm not a fan of the way Barb has been with Jace. I firmly believe that she should have taken a stand with Jenelle (back in the beginning), and let her fight her for visitation the way she did a few years ago. I think if she had done it back in the beginning, Jenelle either would have had no interest or she would have had severely restricted access, which would have been far better for Jace than Barb letting her ping pong in and out of the house fighting and drugging her way through his life. I do think there's a fine line with the photos on social media. Foster parents aren't supposed to post pictures of the children that they have online, even when they are in the process of adopting them. I get that it's her grandchild, but it does feel kind of squicky to me in these circumstances. If she still has her in 6 months, it likely wouldn't bother me, but the week after? I think it's just not the best idea. This was a thing on Southern Charm, because T-Rav had accused Kathryn of using drugs and she dyes her hair. They had to go to body hair follicle testing. Kathryn favors a Little Mermaid Red color, so it's clear that hair dye will mess with the results, and I'd expect that Jenelle will be dying her hair shortly. Apparently Kathryn also accused T-Rav of shaving off all of his body hair to avoid being caught in his usage, so I'm going to guess that the Land will suddenly become very, very interested in grooming.

I'm not sure if that's the case, since she is only required to see her therapist in person once per month and by phone weekly. I am curious how the antabuse will be monitored and haven't been able to find any information on it. Lu could have avoided these steps by going back to rehab, but that would impact her "touring" She also could have had an ankle monitor, but that would have been too much with her clothing, apparently. And it would have told on her if she drank. I guess she really thought she'd get away with not complying? She pretty much had an easy road, using the breathalyzer, 2 AA meetings per week and community service, and she would have been DONE. She's the reason it's drawing out and getting more restrictive.

Apparently she was also supposed to be blowing on a soberlink device at home as part of her original probation terms. She wasn't doing it, hadn't been going to the AA meetings and had missed half of her community service. https://pagesix.com/2019/02/09/luann-de-lesseps-has-been-blowing-off-probation-requirements/ Yes, this. Luann should potentially be jailed not so much for the addiction, but the flagrant disregard for the law. She first showed it when she threatened to kill a police officer. Then she ran off to rehab to try to skate on consequences, but if you're going to do that, then stick to your guns and follow through. If she were to be put in jail, it would be for violating her probation by drinking, yes, but she'd be going to jail for the original offense, not because she's an addict. I think it's entirely true that some people can have a problem with alcohol at the moment but (and I will likely use these phrases wrong, so please no one get upset, I just don't know how to word it differently), not necessarily be a "lifelong" alcoholic. Somebody could be drinking problematically and then realize it's a problem, step back, re-evaluate things and then maybe later on start drinking again with healthier boundaries in their life. I'm thinking maybe a person who is going through a divorce or loses a parent and finds themselves drinking a bottle of wine each night, or getting hammered each weekend. Then they take 6 months or a year and not drink, settle things down in their lives and then maybe go back to having a glass of wine or so with dinner. I think other people need to abstain entirely, though. That they can't have a good relationship with alcohol at all. And I think Luann is likely one of them. I didn't, initially, but the fact that she's struggling so hard with completing these requirements kind of leads me to believe she can't have a balanced relationship. I drink alcohol, but fairly infrequently, mostly because I tend to generally only drink socially, when I'm traveling or out with friends. So maybe once a month, often less. There are times it's more, though, and when I was younger, it was much more frequent. But if I had Luann's restrictions, it would be totally easy to not have any alcohol at all for 6 months. Especially if it was a matter of passing up wine at a party or going to jail.

It's a thing. When I first heard it I expected the person to go on to explain the way that they felt, but it turns out that that's the way people are expressing that they had an issue with whatever the situation was. Instead of saying it pissed them off, they "were feeling some kind of way about it" Brooke struck me as very non-confrontational during the show, for the most part. I don't really remember her getting into fights, if anything, I remember her building a pillow fort to hide in during the drama in the lounge. So I was kind of surprised when I saw the comments about Scarlett. I don't think she's wrong in what she said, though, given that Scarlett was the last one picked during the challenge and everyone pretty much had similar reactions to her when she came back. I think it would have been better to say that they just didn't mesh or she didn't care for her rather than "We all hate her" Scarlett was more gracious than I expected her to be when she complimented Brooke. During the show, I couldn't stand Scarlett. She struck me as super vain and also she just has this weird sneer she does in an effort to make her lips look fuller that I can't stand. It's petty, I know, but I can't stand it.

I feel that Joe had plenty of time to become a citizen. He knew he wasn't one, as he had a valid green card, something he had to maintain from the time he was 18 and older. He had a valid passport, which was not a US passport. It wasn't a freaking secret that he wasn't a US citizen, this wasn't Skippy on Facts of Life stumbling across adoption papers in the attic one day. He also had plenty of time to stop criming. Or never start at all. I know a fair amount of people and the vast majority of them have not ever been to jail. Now, I'll admit that I was kind of shocked the time I had jury duty and they went around the room and were like "Has anyone here been in jail or had a close relative put in jail and what for?" and far, far more people in the room said yes than I would have thought. I guess I just figured most people DON'T crime, but, I could be wrong. Still, doing a quick survey of my friends and acquaintances, I know no one with a record like Joe and Tre's. And not to get political, but I have a really hard time getting wrapped up in the "injustice" of Joe being deported for his crimes when he had basically every possible advantage and still said "Fuck it" I'm going to take the shortcut. His life won't be at risk in Italy, he won't even likely have that uncomfortable of a life. He has relatives, his family has money and can travel to visit him. Hell, he could even potentially settle somewhere closer, to make things even easier to see his kids.

I don't know, I couldn't pay attention to that. I got stymied by the photo at the bottom. What is going on with Dorit's "abs"? Why is her foot so tiny when it's closer to the camera than the rest of her? Why does Erika's hair look like a zipper on Kyle's bathing suit? What the hell is Teddi doing? I just don't understand any of it.

I was very much hoping when she first hopped in the dune buggy and it spun out, then they slowed down and stopped right by the rest of them that TJ would be like, ok, that was your mile. Now let's go! But then she sucked so bad at connect four that I was ok with her getting a ride to the station. I don't think so. In the situation with Ninja, she had been fighting with him during the entire challenge, rather than working together and sticking with a strategy, she panicked and started freaking out on him that he was doing things wrong. She got fairly nasty about it and was certain that they had lost. Before finding out the score, she began having a tantrum, throwing things, screaming and unloading about how they didn't get enough into their dumpster. Turbo tried to tell her during the challenge, several times, that he was focusing on the heaviest things, because it was weight that mattered. He also tried to tell her to not yell AT him. He tried to tell her to stop. It seems that he is fairly clear, also, that sportsmanship is a big deal to him. If you fail, that sucks, but as long as you tried your hardest and worked to the best of your ability, then ok. Ninja was having a tantrum because she felt that they had lost, and he also told her that this wasn't a good look, that if they lost, it wasn't something they could change now. She continued. Then, after all of that, Turbo yelled back. One thing I realized partway through the season is that Turbo had to be somewhat isolated from the rest of the cast due to a language barrier. Yes, he does speak English, but there were many times he seemed kind of on the outskirts of conversations or situations, because of the language barrier. The way he would ask Nany questions, and the way that other people would kind of explain stuff or have to seek him out kind of led me to think that. So I also think this plays into the situation as well. After he yelled back, then Dee gets involved, on Ninja's side. Turbo was feeling like he was initially under attack by Ninja, and now there is someone else getting involved, who had nothing to do with it. Ninja started the whole thing, but now Dee is all up in his shit telling him HE is the one who can't talk that way to Ninja? That didn't make sense to me. He had clearly told Ninja to back off several times and she didn't. The other thing that I think says quite a bit for Turbo is how happy the others were for him when he won. I don't remember any other challenge when the other finalists were that genuinely happy for the winner, not just congratulating them because you should. They all seemed truly happy for Turbo.

I thought that Ru did kind of sign on to the criticism of Silky by hammering home what Yvie was trying to say throughout the season when they had been going at it. Silky had tried to brush it off and Ru was determined to make the point and basically reiterated that the reason Yvie had kept harping on Silky was because she was getting critiques and called out by the judges and then when she was back in the lounge or workroom she'd come out with this delusional attitude that she had no clue why they said any of it and she didn't know why she was not being viewed positively when in reality Silky was just awesome! Ru was pointing out that Yvie was telling her that the judges had said this stuff because Silky's words didn't seem to match what was actually happening. I think it was the lipstick. Normally all of Ariel's makeup look like it was done in a fairytale bubble, but for some reason she was wearing this old lady terracotta tile lipstick color. I think Brooke has genuine feelings for Vangie and does have love for her, but for whatever reason, a relationship isn't going to work out. Vangie was more attached and it sucks, because I've been that person in the relationship. I don't know that I blame Brooke, because I also think the show itself is likely a weird situation and it is hard to say that what happens while there is going to be sustainable when you're away from it with "real life" going on away from it. They have different lives in different places, perhaps if they both lived in the same place it would work out, but it was kind of more like a summer camp thing that wasn't as likely to work out.

Kyle has spent a lot of time perpetuating rumors and things she knows aren't true about someone she claims is one of her closest friends. She wants LVP to have her back 100% and she has had season after season of crying fits about how LVP puts other people before her and making LVP declare that she doesn't like x person more than Kyle, but then Kyle is the first person to say "Oh, well, she's manipulated things before" or "She's been known to sell stories" In reality, the only thing that LVP can be said to have done is mention the cheating on camera when Portia was in the room, and while Kyle may have objected to it, LVP wasn't graphic, she was making a joke of it and blowing the entire thing off, helping Kyle to make the point that it was a totally ridiculous rumor. Now, do I get that perhaps Kyle would have preferred that it would have remained off camera entirely? Sure. But at the same time, it's not like LVP was running from person to person talking about how Mauricio was taking these women back to his office when poor Kyle thought he was working late showing houses. It was done in a way that made it clear she didn't believe it and she was on Kyle's side. As for the munchie-crunchie Rinna accusations? (Yep, just can't be bothered to figure out the spelling) Well, I don't know where I fall on that. I generally think that it's entirely likely that LVP, Kyle and Rinna had a conversation about it off camera. I would imagine that if I were on a show like this, I'd probably have 2 separate types of conversations with people, much the way I do in my real life. There are friends/relatives that I have one conversation with where we talk about what we REALLY think about an issue. We discuss it, we talk about all the possibilities, etc. But, then let's say we're out to dinner with other friends and the same thing comes up. If those other friends aren't as close or maybe they aren't known for being able to keep their mouths shut, I'm not going to say exactly the same thing. If I were LVP or Kyle, maybe the conversation (privately), about Yolanda would be, wow, she's really doing a lot of treatments and some of them seem so risky/untested. I'm worried that they might do damage to her that she isn't realizing or she might be causing more problems for herself down the road that she isn't aware of by doing something that hasn't really been tested, I read x about this thing she tried before. But, then if we were at lunch with someone else, I'd be like, I saw that she was in Thailand for treatment. I hope that it helps, she's had such a rough time. The pictures she posted looked like she had a bit more color, so I'm hoping that it's making her feel better. But then I feel like Rinna kind of merged the two conversations and took the private one public in an effort to show everyone who LVP is. The thing is, Kyle was also participating. So she'd be just as guilty as LVP. But, that gets sidestepped in the effort to let everyone know that LVP is just evil. And Kyle certainly was manipulating with Rinna and Teddi to bring out the news about LVP this season. So I don't see how it's any different if people want to say that about LVP. Exactly, Kyle KNOWS these things aren't true. Yet she continues to spread this about her friend. The one she turns around year after year to blast for not being a good friend to her. I mean, you kind of have to in order to wash your face, but otherwise, why? I also do not understand rain showers. You're either freezing because you're out of the water or you're constantly rinsing off the shaving cream/conditioner/shampoo before you're done with it. But Kyle said she was closing them to get rid of the partner. Only has she managed to reopen yet? This is kind of true. Until they are expendable and get in her way of making some money. Don't like that she's selling pieces of your childhood for a sitcom? Too bad! It's MY story. She's constantly feuding with one or both of her sisters. She has a very self-centered view of family, I guess. Even back at the beginning, she and Kim would talk about how people would say something about them being Paris Hilton's aunts (because Paris was the IT girl then) and they would be like NO she is MY niece, like they had the wrong part of the fame equation. There's this constant, weird struggle there. I find it exhausting to watch. I also don't think portraying herself as a martyr who has to bring Mauricio lunch, carry her nearly middle school aged child from her bed to her own before making breakfast for her and physically dressing her, telling her college aged child that flushing a toilet does not equal cleaning and clipping her husband's toenails, to be interesting. It's not a cute, fun, zany family thing, to me it reads more "Look at me! I'm a good mom! They can't live without me!" and it says way more about her. This is the thing I don't get with Brandi and the tabloid story with Kyle. For the most part, everyone excepts that Brandi lies and manipulates, that she's just made stuff up and she will do whatever to have drama on the show. Kyle, however, is totally willing to believe that Brandi is telling the gospel truth about the tabloids in the suitcase when it comes to LVP. Kyle is always willing to out negative info on LVP, no matter where it comes from.

I've watched a fair amount of Dr Phil (and other, much more glorious 80s/90s era talk shows!), so I have extensive knowledge of lie detector procedures. LOL! One thing I do know is that you generally get asked 2-3 actual questions and the test giver goes over the questions in detail with you before the test begins so there is absolutely no chance of you being able to say that you misunderstood what was asked if the response comes out as deceptive. Then they throw in other weird filler questions, and some that are obviously false and some that are obviously true to get baseline readings. That's why it doesn't seem fake to me that LVP would have gone and said this is what I want to "prove" that I'm not lying about. The entire concept of her doing the test, yes that seems ridiculous to me, but her giving them the questions? That doesn't seem so strange. Yep, how is this any less viable evidence than them sitting around parsing random words from the article? "Nipped" is a british word so HA! She did it! It's conclusive! Ok, Encyclopedia Brown, you got me there. I wonder why Kyle didn't go this route to find out who robbed her house? Why does Kyle know so many people who have had their houses robbed? Why didn't Edwin come up with this storyline and see LVP there? Does he test his people? Maybe we should test Edwin? Does Kyle recommend Edwin's security services? So. Many. Questions. We don't see every single minute of their lives. They do cut things out and edit things down. I'm confident that they skipped some stuff and we didn't see the whole test. I'd wager it took longer than 5 minutes to hook everything up. Thank you for noticing. I'm so glad I wasn't the only one who did. I was like, wait, did she forget to take that out of her hair from the pool? I know they are "back" and I can't figure out why. I was totally happy to run around with them on my wrist and in my hair back in the 90s, and when I had hair long enough to pull up, I kept a few around for sleeping in (nothing was better for bundling your hair on top of your head at night), but, this was not a look we needed to bring back for every day public wear. Yes, please. Teddi too. I didn't go to The Americans. I was remembering the scene from Pan Am where Luka from ER was telling the one flight attendant that he had convinced to join the CIA (? I think), how to evade the lie detector test she was going to be given and not be caught as a spy. I'm a grazer. I don't like to eat a full meal at any one time. I kind of eat like a toddler, I'll have a couple bites of this, a bite or two of that and then two hours later I'm starving and looking for food and everyone else is like but you JUST ate! That's the weird thing with Rinna. You don't ever see her seek out food, and you rarely see her eat. I'm not really making judgements about her eating, it's just that she seems super regimented and I hope that she's making healthy choices since it's something her daughters see. Even now there are stories out there that basically say that the women are totally willing to move forward IF LVP comes and admits what she's done. Like, wtf? She has to come and admit that they are right and then they will move forward? They still won't admit that perhaps they might be wrong? They won't be willing to say, listen we know you had a rough year, we don't know what happened, it doesn't matter, we're sorry you were hurting, we're sorry that any of this happened, and if she's sorry that things got confused on her part, no one even cares what the actual details are anymore? Then let's just all agree to start over and move on? Nope. The only path forward is for HER to be wrong.

Like I said, I totally agree with you. I wouldn't do it with my (nonexistant) kid. The tricky part with Brynn, though, is that she has 2 parents who both get to have a say in what goes on in her life. I don't actually think that Bethenny would post every detail of Brynn's life on social media without Jason stopping her, but I realize other people disagree. That said, assuming for a minute that Jason wants Brynn to never appear or be referenced on social media at all, that's cool. But he's not the only parent. This is the type of thing they have to hash out and compromise on, and it may well be that they have some sort of decision from the judge that Bethenny is allowed to show Brynn provided it's not her face, etc. I wouldn't do it with a kid of my own, and it's something my husband agrees on, though we have no children. We've had conversations about how much we would refer to other relatives and how we'd refer to them online. We have nieces and nephews and when they were born, at times we've made a general post saying something about it being a really good day for our family, but neither one of us will say "This relative had a baby on this date at this time, the name is x" as some other people will. The friends who are close to us know what we mean, others just might see a post saying something about having a great day and counting our blessings and being grateful. I would much prefer if Bethenny and Jason would be able to agree on things in this sort of way rather than fighting everything out, but, it appears that they will need to have pretty much all of the details ironed out with mediation.

I agree, there is. I, personally, wouldn't post a video of it if it were my kid. I might take a video and send it to a friend or relative, but I probably wouldn't post it. I don't have kids, though, and I'm one of those people who rarely posts stuff anyway. Other people have different lines for what they are comfortable posting, though, I have a few friends that post literally everything. I swear we've seen their kid's first diaper change to their first prom all on social media, and it can be way too much. In this case, it's one of the things I kind of shrug off as "eh, not my choice, but, not something I get too worked up over" It's a story, so it will be gone in a day, it's not like it's a post that lasts forever, you have to go looking for it and it's a kid playing. If there was a video of me dancing around to a Madonna song that my parent wanted to put up on facebook today I'd kind of cringe a bit, but I'd most likely just laugh about the outfit I was wearing. I was just trying to think through how I'd feel if I were the kid looking back on it. Once in a while a cousin of mine will post a picture of me and they aren't always the most flattering, there's a few hair years I wish wouldn't see the light of day, but, overall I'm just amused by what I thought looked good clothing wise. It's amazing that I can remember vividly picking out an outfit and knowing it would look so awesome and then now I look at it and am like, WHY did I do that? How did I ever think that was a good plan?

One of my parents dyed my hair purple when I was younger than Brynn, simply because they wanted to see what it would look like. It wasn't permanent, and it wasn't my idea originally, but I certainly wasn't opposed to it, as I liked purple. It was fun, it washed out and life moved on. That was over 30 years ago. Since then I've seen plenty of people let their kids dye their hair or get streaks or tips for no reason or as a reward for good grades, etc. I get that not everyone is good with it and it's certainly their choice for their own kids, but for some people it's just hair and it's not that big of a deal. They aren't neglecting their kids or causing some sort of harm by allowing them to express themselves through their hair color. It's just a choice they make. I watched the instagram videos and honestly I did much the same sort of thing when I was Brynn's age. Except it was Madonna and not Britney. She was trying on a pair of her mom's shoes, dancing and singing and amusing herself.