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I wonder what Kody would do if Christine joined another polygamous family— not that she would, or should— but could you imagine Kody’s head exploding and ramen-noodle confetti everywhere? In other words, she’d be leaving Kody not because she doesn’t like polygamy, but because she doesn’t like polygamy with Kody. Also, I think when Christine realized that Kody was never going to want an intimate marriage with her again, it meant more than sex. She lamented that there was no physical closeness, not even hand-holding. I suspect that it also meant no outings together or intimate conversations other than the kids or finances.

Just finished this, and the thing that stood out to me was how many warning signs were there, but there was nothing anyone could do legally to protect the children. What really bothered me was when Charlie Vallow called the police and they treated him like he was crazy. Lori took his truck and ALL of his possessions yet nothing happened to her? My opinion is that because she was an attractive woman she could charm her way out of things. I think Chad andLori fed off of each other and their narcissistic delusions of grandeur— that they were “special” and that they had spiritual powers granted by God that exempted them from human laws.

So happy this show is back— it’s a nice cup of comfort viewing! All of the bakers seem like a pleasant group. I think red velvet cake tastes good, but it always gives me a stomachache afterwards. My neighbor used to use ermine icing on many her cakes and it was very good, not too sweet. Always enjoyed going to her house for a “coffee klatch.”

Wasn't the last American show filmed in the UK? I don't understand why that did it that way--other Baking Shows are filmed in their respective countries.

In the past, I've felt some compassion for Meri in her situation, but not now. She is choosing to be in a so-called "spiritual" marriage with that narcissistic egotist-- a man who ignores her, disdains her, and treats her like gum on his shoe. Christine helped raise Leon--they would go down to have dinner with Christine and the other kids often--and Meri can't even offer some words of support to Christine? I mean Meri herself at one time was about to leave (not that blame her) but she has no empathy for Christine? Is she so afraid of the wrath of Kody? Kody can't do anything more to her--except maybe not call her into heaven--which I can't believe Meri really thinks anymore.

And this is why J&K’s final scene in the finale did not move me—although I was satisfied with the ending, it was not “tear-worthy” for me. I can name many movies and sitcom finales where I cried or got misty-eyed, but BCS’s was not one of them.

That was not exactly my point, but perhaps I was unclear. I was talking about Jimmy becoming more Saul-like, less ethical— not about him giving free legal advice to inmates that he deemed worthy nor about the real- life inequality of our justice system. Ymmv

I mostly agree here, but I think Jimmy wanted to show Kim that Jimmy was still alive inside of the other parts of him, because part of Jimmy is Saul, is Gene. As viewers saw in the finale during the bus ride to prison, Jimmy smirked a little when the other prisoners were chanting "better call Saul!" I speculate that Jimmy will be a jailhouse lawyer, possibly helping some dangerous criminals on their appeals. He'll likely be figuring out ways to get more privileges, goods, etc. in prison. Who knows if during the rest of his life, Jimmy won't slide back into more Saul-like behavior? I have no doubt that a spin-off with Kim Wexler as a lawyer would be a decent show, but I probably wouldn't watch it. I've never watched El Camino, either. I had to be convinced to watch BCS by friends (I'm glad I was). The endings of BB and BCS were satisfying, if not exactly the way I may have exactly preferred them to end. I do wish BCS had an ending song, though--perhaps another Badfinger song such as, "No Matter What."

@Dev F said: I agree and was trying to say something similar in a previous post. Jimmy is Saul and Gene— those parts of him may have been subdued temporarily, but they did not disappear. No doubt he will keep scheming in prison to various degrees.

I thought the ending was okay/ good and it satisfied me as a viewer that Jimmy finally took some accountability for his actions. He deserved jail time— I don’t know that he deserved 86 years, but I am not that familiar with the criminal justice system and RICO offenses. But it the end, it really didn’t matter to me if the sentencing was technically accurate— just that he got a long jail sentence was enough. What I am not comfortable with is a reading of Jimmy/ Saul/Gene as three separate persons and that their (his) actions and choices were solely reactions to others’ treatment of him. Jimmy was “Slippin’ Jimmy” and a scammer in his youth, well before the days of HHM and probably while Chuck was still in law school. That scamming blueprint was part of his nature already. I mean, who shits in someone’s sunroof because they owed him money? At the time Chuck came to bail Jimmy out of jail for this, he had been estranged from his family for six years. Jimmy was his mother’s favorite and his father was a nice guy (maybe too nice) — so he didn’t grow up abused or neglected. Jimmy’s confession was for Kim, primarily. If Kim hadn’t come to the sentencing, would he have still confessed?

Really, from what we've seen, at least, Florida man isn't so bad. He is likely a bit dull, but seems nice enough and dependable. Does that mean he's a good match for Kim? Probably not. However, is/was Jimmy/Saul/Gene a good match for Kim? Nope. Theirs was a dysfunctional relationship at best and a destructive one at worst.

Hmm, I don’t know. Saul may not be a textbook sociopath, but his behavior, imo, displays many signs of sociopathy. It’s not really the reasons why Saul does things, nor his past disappointments that show sociopathy to me, it’s the things that he is willing to do (or feels compelled to do). Almost everyone has “reasons” in life— not everyone makes the same choices in dealing with life’s problems, trauma, disappointments, failures, unfairness, etc.

I think my impatience with the two episodes focusing on the Gene scams were that the series is ending and I wanted the pace faster--although I do realize that's not how this show works. The character development did not bother me--we had to see how Gene devolved back into Saul and sociopathy. (BTW, sociopaths do have a conscience, it is just very weak.) I would have rather it be shown in one episode, with Genes scams escalating throughout, but just my taste (as we've seen here with the mayo discussion, taste vary, lol). PS. I do enjoy some slower-paced character studies--for example I enjoyed the 1981 11-part series Brideshead Revisted.

Great episode. It was worth the previous two episodes’ tediousness, ymmv. When Kim broke down on the shuttle bus in spurts at first and then let the floodgates open— perfect, imo. Does anyone else think this was her “Jesse” ending, or will we see Kim again? Love Carol Burnett and that her talents weren’t wasted in the show. Also love that her character is the one that exposes Gene. Serves the douche right.

Yes, I thought, “shut up, Robyn” when she was talking, too. She is so disingenuous. Kody screaming about how Christine never tried to have a good relationship with these “other people”= Robyn, was BS. How is Christine supposed to feel when her husband practically ignores her while fawning and lusting over Robyn? Was she supposed to kiss Robyn’s ass?

With Kody, it’s all about HIS feelings, he doesn’t care how Christine felt for years. Acting like a victim of his family instead of trying to treat them all equitably is the problem here.

I was thinking that, too. I mean, in the post BB world, wouldn’t authorities have investigated every inch of Gus’ lab? Wouldn’t they confiscate the machinery or destroy the whole thing, and in doing so, accidentally come across human remains? Maybe it’s a stretch, but it’s possible.

Right I get what you’re saying, I don’t know if it’s necessarily exclusively “Christian” redemption, though. The OP was questioning whether Nacho was indeed redeemed. I believe he was.

Then is there no redemption for Gene or Kim? They both ran away from their crimes (so far, anyway)— regardless as to whether there is enough evidence to charge and convict them of every crime they committed.

Ugh, I sure hope not. We’ve already seen Kim defend Jimmy (although not as his lawyer) and it didn’t stop Jimmy from morphing into Saul and then Gene. Kim can’t save Jimmy—Jimmy/Saul/Gene has to save himself. Others are not the cause nor the cure for what ails Jimmy— not Chuck, Howard, Walt, Kim, etc. Kim “saved” herself by leaving Jimmy—although we don’t know what her post-Jimmy life is like, I’m assuming she has stayed out of trouble.

I think the artists presented their work as they saw fit, however, anytime art is presented to the public for its consumption or entertainment, the art itself becomes dynamic, not static. For some people, interacting with the art is part of the enjoyment of the art— so critique, analysis, etc. actually is part of the total experience. On topic: Does anyone know why the security guard sat facing away from the monitors, rather than toward them, when eating? He could have watched while eating. Gene seems to have solved the Jeff problem, but what about anyone else that may recognize him in the near future? He still needs to hide, unless he turns himself in.

The thing for me about Kim is that she may have been born into a rough environment, but she did have some advantages— namely, brains and beauty. She also had the very good fortune and generosity of HHM paying her way through school. Not everyone gets that leg up. Just as Kim chose to work hard and graduate law school, she chose to participate and later mastermind shenanigans with Jimmy. Kim admitted why she chose not to tell Jimmy (or the authorities) that Lalo was still alive— she didn’t want the Howard plan to stop— she was having too much fun. Kim was addicted to the high, the thrill of the con. When Kim twisted the knife in Cheryl, she wasn’t saving Jimmy’s life or even his reputation. She did it because she sees herself as Jimmy’s defender— she did the same thing to Howard when Chuck died. Kim resembles what we’ve heard of Jimmy’s mother—her love for him causes her to try to protect him. This protection, however, is misguided and has unintended negative consequences. “Helping” Jimmy was actually ultimately hurting him, easing his transition into Saul.

Not a lawyer, but for starters, isn’t pointing a loaded gun at someone with intent to kill assault?

I’m glad I’m not the only one who misses details because the lighting is so damn dark in many scenes, particularly in this episode! Mike’s white head looked like it was floating around without a body sometimes. And Saul and Kim’s place— do they not have good lighting? The fish tank seems to be well-lit, at least.

Right, I don’t disagree that on the appearance of everything, there is not evidence of murder. However, I was talking about officially ruling Howard’s disappearance a suicide—not about whether he could eventually be declared presumed dead (by any means) for insurance purposes. As a viewer, I would want at least some questions from authorities and some emotional fallout to occur for the Goodmans regarding Howard’s disappearance because at this point, that’s the part of the story that is the most interesting to me.