Fable

Story-wise, this season has been a bit messy and convoluted, and I don’t think the story telling is quite as tight as in season 1 (never watched season 2, so no basis for comparison there). Sometimes, it seems confusing, but not unlikable. What I do, however, like better is the character building. I did like the characters in season 1, a lot in fact, but I find this season’s characters so much more rich and compelling.

Shawn's and Glassman's marijuana-fueled antics were so ridiculous and unbelievable that I found myself rolling my eyes, and yet, in spite of myself, I was entertained. It was nice to see Glassman in good spirits for a change. Oh, and his nickname "Glarin Assman", hilarious.

Just when I think I am able to tolerate Lea again, she comes back to suck out the life <sigh>!

As far as Evil Lives Here: This episode was unsettling. I try to empathize with women in abusive situations, realizing it can be hard to leave once you get yourself tangled up in that position, but it seemed to me she walked into this with her eyes wide open. She was warned, on more than one occasion, that he was potentially a child and woman abuser and shrugged it off, and willingly cut herself off from her family for him. When she said the first red flag for her was that he wanted her to keep her phone on speaker all night so he could listen in on her, all I could think was “Lady, there were flashing neon lights well before that.”

It seems like we are all trying to figure out the perfect murder here, which I find disturbing and yet fascinating. However, I am not sure what that says about me.

Agreed! I used to be a completionist, or if you prefer, I had OCD about watching a show from beginning to end, but no more - it’s really not worth the time. It is one thing to keep tuning in if a few episodes, or even an arc, don’t float my boat, but when a show becomes a chore, it’s time to pick up the remote.

I keep reading how horrible it is that Eddie and Delilah lie about the paternity of the child, but really, are they just supposed to pile that on the kids on top of everything else? They did agree on the fact that they wanted to present Jon as the father, so I didn't understand Delilah apologizing to Eddie after Sophie became aware of the situation. However, one thing that irks me is that Delilah is constantly trying to keep Eddie invested in her pregnancy regardless.

Well this was a grim episode, and I not sure that I liked it, although I guess it made for an interesting cliffhanger, but it was sad to watch everything go to hell so quickly. I don't usually mind some minor medical inaccuracies but there were a few that bugged me. In light of an airborne illness, it seems to me that everyone quarantined in the ER should have been given surgical mask, first and foremost the doctors and nurses. On a more positive note, it's good to see we are learning more about Park. I also thought Glassman and Lea played well off of each other.

This episode was a mixed bag for me. For one thing, I mostly find Lea a waste, but I actually found her, dare I say, likable? I usually prefer the scenes that take place in the hospital as opposed to outside, but the cases of the week both made me uncomfortable…a man mutilating his genitalia and then jumping in front of a bus and a kid being beaten in the head with a bat by his father just disturbed me a lot, although I did like the pairings of Morgan with Claire and Park with Shaun. I enjoy the interactions between Lim and Melendez, but I am far from shipping them. I just think they have good chemistry together, but I guess one of the things I enjoy most about this whole cast is the chemistry they generate with each other.

He really did seem to have a disturbingly unhealthy attachment to "Gator." He mentioned a wife, but I didn't notice a ring, so I wondered if even his wife eventually thought he was too delusional to deal with.

I haven’t had much to say lately, because it seems like always playing a broken record. I love this show still, but it seems like things don’t change much or at a very fast pace. However, I’m good with that since I really would rather have character development, and it seems like this show delivers on that. I do want to say that I like Glassman, very much, in fact. Just by virtue of aging, I feel the effects of getting older (I don’t see as well, my hearing isn’t as keen, and I’m nowhere near as nimble as I once was), and it is hard for me to admit it to myself, much less anyone else. This is not even close to whatever is going on with Dr. Glassman, so I can’t help but sympathize with him. I did think the memory test Shaun performed a bit lame though. We still don’t know when he met Shaun and how much he knows about his past. Is it realistic to believe he should know Shaun’s teachers and what was taught? How well did he really know Shaun’s brother? I loved Park’s last story because surely that was about his wife, although when the husband asked if it were true he said no. There has to be an interesting backstory there. No Lea worked for me. I don’t really hate her, but she has not added much to the story.

Why do I feel this has something to do with Tia?

He was gracious, attentive and engaged. I enjoyed him as a guest.

For the most part, I enjoyed this episode. However, the story about Gabriel being Sam’s son seemed wonky to me. It doesn’t make sense that Gabriel was the product of Sam’s first marriage because the mother’s name listed on the birth certificate was Vivian Maddox and not Vivian Keating, and while I suppose it’s possible to assume she may have opted to keep her maiden name, it doesn’t seem likely. In any case, you would think Annalise would know about a child from Sam’s marriage. Gabriel’s mother just as likely could have been one of Sam’s flings which would explain the last name, but Sam was still listed on the birth certificate as the father, in which case he would still be required by law to provide child support, and Annalise is a pretty smart cookie, so I don’t see how he could have kept that secret for all those years without her finding out. I’ll go back later and watch the last 15 minutes or so to see if I missed something, but so far, I’m scratching my head.

Shaun was a little annoying this episode. I am not a Lea fan, but she did put her cards on the table about not living with Shaun and why. He would not accept her decision, and I don’t like using his autism as an excuse. He also has to learn to respect boundaries. Same thing with Glassman. I know Shaun cares about him and I appreciate that because I am sure Dr. Glassman has done much for him, but again, it’s about boundaries. I’m not looking forward to Shaun and Lea as roommates. This is not just annoying, it is becoming silly…dancing around about being roommates? This arc is the least interesting part of the show, and it doesn’t really seem to fit into the narrative.

@possibilities I am wondering if you didn't mean to post this in the Carrots thread.

I've been on the fence about Abby, but I have decided I like her. She is not particularly entertaining and can even be a bit boring, but she is calm and respectful, and she was downright artful in redirecting the awkward moment between Joy and Meghan.

This show seems like something I should enjoy because I like, or at least am interested in, most of the characters. The frustrating thing is everything is happening so fast. We have all these separate storylines going on, but none of these stories have been given time to breathe and unfold naturally, and the characters have shown no realistic growth. We start with Eddie and his lover planning to leave their spouses, and then we find it is dear, dear Jon, his friend and her husband who killed himself. We then have the emotional fallout from that. All these guys (yes guys, because the women in this show seem like merely an afterthought) are facing huge life-altering events which are developing at break-neck pace, and yet we find with all this going on, it has been no more than several weeks after Perfect Jon’s passing. I could go on, but I think the point has been made. It almost makes me wonder if the show runners knew this wasn’t going to last long so they needed to cram everything in so they can wrap it up.

Is there anyway to incorporate such shows as A Crime to Remember and People Magazine Investigates as well as any other true crime shows (yes, even Kenda) into this thread? It seems like such a waste of time and bandwidth to keep jumping around from forum to forum.

This was quite the emotionally packed episode. I think I need a bit more time to process. The highlight for me was Glassman with his daughter, although as much as I wanted to get some backstory on her, that was heart wrenching to watch. I rarely tear up at TV shows, but I sure did here. The flashbacks were well done, but also emotional. I also thought Shaun lived with Glassman, so that was a bit of surprise to me. I wonder if Shaun and Maddie knew each well. I’m still not feeling very invested in Shaun and Lea, but I found the scene at the end, when Shaun said he didn’t really care about Hershey but cared that she cared, to be touching. However, now I want to know – what in the hell happened in Hershey?

I started reluctantly watching this show (the promos drove me mad) because I like a couple of the actors. I didn’t like the first episode at all, but I’m warming up to it a bit. I’m still not crazy about it, but I figure that’s okay because many of the shows that I thought started strong out of the gate ended up being huge disappointments for me. Once Upon a Time, Grimm, Lost and Sleepy Hollow come to mind. I’ll give this a chance since it really can’t dash my expectations.

I well believe she died of drowning. What I don’t believe is the rest of the gaping holes in his story. Even if I give him the benefit of the doubt and buy the crash was an accident, I find it less credible to believe he escaped with his belongings and all the money, but couldn’t help her, and then even if he had gotten free and couldn’t help her, why go ashore and burn everything and not say a word to anyone about the plane. Maybe he didn’t purposely kill her, but I will never be convinced he tried at all to save her. I also wonder if they did any toxicology screens because it seems odd that she showed no broken nails or any signs of trying to get free. I won’t even get into the strange stuff he said on the phone…sheesh! Another thing that really bugged me that I haven’t seen mentioned is when Jerry (or whatever you prefer to call him) told Keith he was appalled at the way Diane’s parents acted towards him. Appalled, really? I would understand him saying I feel bad or sad or sorry that her family feels that way, but maybe try some empathy.

Interesting that he could get himself out as well as his duffel bag though. It also begs the question, why did he run?

Did Lea really say at the end the end that she had been an awesome friend to Shaun? I must have missed something, because I don’t recall anything awesome that she has done. She also had a lot of nerve calling Shaun a jackass. He has been letting her stay at his place after she unexpectedly showed up at his door. I think that is a decent friend. How exactly did he hurt her or judge her? By letting her know she had hurt him and he prefer that she go away? He didn’t call her a jerk or a jackass. I guess he could have texted her back that he had no time to talk instead of deleting her messages, but she was almost getting stalkish. Reznik really is a prickly bitch, but I have to admit, she can make me laugh. I wish more time was spent on Glassman and his daughter. I’ve always been curious as to the backstory there.

About Lea, for me, it’s not so much about dislike. I think she probably cares for Shaun, but I don’t think she is particularly good for him. She fancies herself a free spirit, and perhaps she thought that it would be good for Shaun to break his routine and spirited away on a road trip to loosen him up a little. Does that make her a bad person? No, but it diminished my enjoyment of her as a character. That might be okay for some people, but for Shaun with his autism, it’s a terrible idea. Going forward, if she sticks around, and it looks like she well may, I hope they both learn from each other what works and what doesn’t in their friendship.