shapeshifter

This episode premier starts in the U.S. tonight in 1 hour and 45 minutes: 9 CDT, 10 EDT

Ruh roh.

With Vic the Dick being so obsessed with Sarah, who he cannot have, and with Allison being on the outs with Donnie, well, I think y'all see where my mind is going with this. For that matter, maybe Vic and Ramon the Trunk Man know each other. Or maybe when Allison finds out Donnie shot Leekie, he'll be her hero.

A word about hair color on the men of a certain age on the show: I realize that this episode picked up moments after the the previous one, but in the lives of the actors and the audience, 10 months have passed. Walt just doesn't seem like the kind of guy to color his hair, and probably not Henry either. I really wish they had used the hiatus to bring a at least a "hint of gray" to their hair. I loved the opening scenery. It's what keeps me coming back to the show, although the Sundance ritual and other similar violence almost overshadow it. If Branch was still hallucinating in the hospital, does that mean he's got another feather in him? Anyway, he told Cady not to say anything about his almost choking her to death, so when he went to the line up, he was probably still "under the influence," right? Speaking of the line up: Pretty unique among line ups.

Did we forget to discuss this one? I feel like I've stepped into a time vortex. I thought young Carrie was way too pretty to be unpopular. But she was believable as a young Carrie.

I don't get the episode title. Help, please? So Gabe called in the dogs to what? Split up Cat and Vincent? Or get Vincent caught? Or get Vincent caught and killed? That last shot of Gabe: I was expecting him to crawl up the wall a la Heroes, except he looked too smug and relaxed.

We did see Curtis killing her in some sort of hologram-ish tool--what was it? But maybe Carlos was there and feels guilty for not being able to stop it? Or maybe he feels like this new Kiera took the place of the Kiera he had bonded with? Since this isn't a book where we can know what he's thinking, they really ought to give us a little exposition dialogue.

Oh! Right! Whew! How could I have forgotten about Ramon's Trunk of Illicit Desires? I love Helena scenes, but even I enjoyed the break from that particular brand of darkness. This show could go on for decades without getting old--with Tatiana and the writers inventing new and ever more interesting characters. The problem with Leekie is that Frewer is just never going to seem evil to me. But I will miss him.

Good question.My understanding is that it is a or b. Does anyone know for sure which of these? Even if they are claiming to ignore the 10 years of television travel through stargates, I seriously doubt that none of it will seep in--even if by stealth of writer with the heart of an SG1 devotee. This article lightly examines who "owns" the rights to the story. I wonder if this could prevent it from getting made, or if they've already dotted all the i's and crossed all the legal t's: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/moviesandtv/columns/highdefinition/11548-Who-Owns-Stargate

I'm having trouble remembering who is what in this show, and maybe that's by design (the purpose of a long hiatus) so we won't catch a little retcon here and there. Anyway, just thought I'd post these links here: http://defiance.wikia.com/ http://en.defiance-wiki.com/ http://www.defiance.com/en/series/

This Carlos is only one week different, so he already had a relationship with Dead Kiera. I'm guessing he watched too much Star Trek and thinks Live Kiera is a Borg.

@TVSpectator, I don't see the politics in this show being specifically Canadian or American or Chinese or whatever. I think they're pretty universal globally, just occurring at different times in different places because of the state of economic development in a particular location. Probably I should have said socioeconomics instead of politics, anyway. The show is more looking at social issues in general--like human rights. I'd start a thread, but I'm afraid the show is hemorrhaging viewers this season and it might not get much discussion.

During the confrontation with Skuros (sp? the guy from Twin Peaks), when he was claiming to have always had only their best interests at heart and was promising a pardon for Tate, I so wanted Tate to make Skuros admit that he had framed Tate for murder in the first place and got him put on death row. They should've had better blocking in the scene where Bo comes out in the dress so we didn't see the weird straps in the back. She should've put the blazer on sooner.

Oy. Most likely. So now Angela is likely going to conclude that Allison is a serial killer--which Allison will likely prove by accidentally killing her. Maybe her head gets stuck under the garage door? Or a scarf caught under a car tire while the car is being driven away by Allison? Or maybe Donnie can cause one of those things to happen.

Or if someone else kills Suit Alec, they have Hoodie Alec as a backup. The idea of Alec--who is a type of Steve Jobs, Mark Zuckerberg, and/or Bill Gates--being split into his Hoodie and Suit selves, having them argue, and having the Hoodie locked away, is very meta. The whole show is full of stuff like that regarding the corporations. If it had a bigger audience, like Lost or even X-Files, it would likely generate interesting political discussion.

I, OTOH, found that refreshingly Occam's Razor-ish. And darkly funny.Or what @possibilities says directly below.

Didn't Mayor Nicki smoke a hookah or something that transformed her body into human? Edited to correct "Mayon" to "Mayor" because I was sleep typing after staying up late to download threads and witness Tubey's execution (hoping in vain for at least a temporary stay of execution)

:~(It looked bad to me. I thought Vic was going to be another body in the morgue.

My thoughts exactly. I even wondered if they were showing her fake videos of the scope instead of live. But then I recalled last episodes when Cosima discovered the tumors began in her uterus and decided this was a genuine procedure. Of course, it could turn out there was something else going on too. At Amazon, of course: http://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-External-Floppy-Drive-FL-UDRV/dp/B00E9MD700/The harder part would be getting the right software to read the data. On another show this would have had me scoffing at the writing, but here, even though I felt the same outrage as you, Boogaloo, I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt to have this make sense. Upthread are some decent excuses to tide us over for now.

I stopped watching a couple of years ago, so just saw this for the first time. I believe I stopped after the first Yang go-round; it was too grim. But I really liked the musical, including Yang, but especially the dancing. The tango with Lassie! :D There were some Twin Peaks theme song strains near the end, weren't there?

Or, @patchwork, the IUD failed to prevent pregnancy and she didn't want to abort?

I suppose, @AlliMo. I don't recall, does Sarah know the full extent of how much she and Kira are in DYAD's crosshairs at this time?

That, boys and girls, is why you should never run out of minutes. It may be fatal!Good thing I just got a new battery for mine! Or, she will realize that he could've been killed in a grizzly manner instead of just boinked by her doppelgänger.

Me too. And before that, I assumed he was the mother's young lover.

When Paul made his entrance into the house, I thought he had a suitably, slightly-embarrassed little smile after his participation in Rachel's sex game. This is the first character Michelle Forbes has played that I actually might enjoy seeing. Of course, part of that is the show itself. I finally dropped The Killing. A fascinating and creative plot twist. When Rachel said, "...you might survive," to Leekie, I wonder what she thought would really get him. If only that taxi had stopped...but instead Donnie and Allison might bond. I'd love to know if the script actually read the way she delivered it: "So I'm supposed to be Allison being Donnie."I hope they scripted/directed Vic's head bonk on the wall and Michael Mando didn't get bonked for reals. He does have pretty eyes, but Sarah acts like she was never into him, and I can't figure out if she ever was, since it's clear she can do so much better. If I was Sarah and had a brother/best friend Felix and a baby Daddy Cal, I'd be happy to run away to Iceland. I didn't understand why she didn't leave Kira with Cal--does that mean she doesn't trust him? Wasn't the one tooth's worth of stem cells sufficient? And, if not, is poor Kira going to wind up wearing the gloves Allison knit for Vic??? BTW: Those gloves were so cute. I'm guessing with her broken arm, she didn't knit them; she just altered them for him.