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I didn't see the panel so I can't say for sure, but I think the question for Kim was 'What loss of an actor would hit you the hardest" and they said they couldn't say. If it was character for Kim, I'd say Donna since she and Briana are best friends. But outside of Wayward Sues and that one ep, Jody and Donna don't interact much on screen. Same with any of the Sues themselves. So even if Donna died on screen would I'm sure Kim would consider that a loss but would it be the hardest loss since they dont' film together much. Not sure if that would change her answer or not. If it is one of the Waywards, I'd guess Ninja Sue. Kathryn Newton seems busy, and I think the actress for Kaia is in some Netflix program. If the actress isn't going to be available, I can see Beren's killing her off because she didn't have her spear. Dean would feel responsible for that. It would be a hard loss for Jensen too because I;m sure his character would take a beating in the fandom if that happened. I thought Dabb was just blowing smoke because interviews have been saying that Mary will grow closer to her sons in some for since she came back and it hasn't happened yet. I'm guessing because the actress doesnt' want to play Nightgown Mary.

With Beren's episode coming up it might be Ninja Sue. Dean would feel guilty for taking her spear and Berens would love to put her death on Deans' shoulders.

Either, Sam or Jack or both.

They are filming Jack in the Box. It makes sense that Dean is feeling guilty if Jack and/or Sam are sacrificing themselves in place of Dean

So something happen bad happens to Jack and/or Sam and Dean feels guilty. To quote the yellow eyed demon, (or the first one anyway) "Oh, my. I'm shocked at this unforeseen turn of events." How I loath Dabb and this season. It should have been about Dean, not Jack or Sam.

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I really like this head canon, but Michael still had the upper hand here since Dean was unconscious. He could have left Dean's brain completely fried.

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Michael had zero reason to even engage in hand to hand combat. He could have snapped his fingers and snapped Ninja Sue like a twig. Even after she stabbed him, it was ridiculous that Michael retreated. Michael's army was as big a joke as he was and was very easily dispatched.

He's been a bystander this entire season. The whole thing with the box and spear was just a red herring that really meant nothing to the end of this storyline. If Michael had left him in a coma in episode 2, and Michael showed up a the bunker this ep looking for Dean, and found him in a coma and came across Rowena, nothing about the Michael story line changes. Dean didn't factor into it. We were told Michael is not the main villian. I don't need Dean to be possessed, but I wanted to at least see him play a part. He didn't. He was shoved to the sidelines. https://screenrant.com/supernatural-season-14-michael-not-big-bad/

Exactly.

What good was the the thing in episode 5 if it wasnt' followed up on. I still have no clue what the Djinn meant. The scene in episode 7 didn't even rate a mention. Dean wasn't even concerned that something happened. If that was Michael trying to crush Dean failed miserably. Michael was easy to take out. Ninja Sue kicked his ass in less than a minute. When Michael repossessed Dean Sam and Cas took him out in about two minutes. In Dean's head he was locked up fairly easily. Then when he got out he threw Dean way like an old shoe and was easily dispatched by Jack. The only person who didn't really beat him was Dean. Yes, he might have have had Michael say that Dean squirmed too much, but when Michael left it was because he chose too, not because Dean beat him. In fact the only person who couldn't beat Michael was Dean. There was one one on one confrontation that lasted 10 seconds. I didn't really find 11-14 Dean centric at all. Maybe 11 was somewhat but episode 12 was far more about how Dean's actions were affecting Sam and how much Dean was making Sam sad. No one actually gave a damn about what Dean was feeling. Sam refused to listen to what Dean was actually saying. The episode branded him a weak quitter and had Sam punch him to make him behave. Not to mention Cas being a massive hypocrite with the secret he's keeping. I found that ep far more Sam centric then Dean. It was Sam's POV when it should have been Dean. Episode 13 Same thing. it was more about Sam. Sam go the closure, Dean got to once again bury everything. As a viewer I felt nothing during ep 12, and 13, and now 14. There was zero payoff to this storyline for this Dean fan. it's just another of Deans' traums'a that will be buried and ignored. Because he had antibodies and there is always a reason why Dean never needs payoff. Since Dean isnt' real, I do. I stand by my claims of everything I said. The writers couldn't wait to drop this story, and shoe horned in the absolute bare minimum. There was basically one episode in the entire run and that all turned out to be a read herring. The writers failed miserably for the worst reason of all. They didn't even try. So no, my claims are not false. The writers failed Jensen in every way with how half assed this was.

He had the perfect opportunity to exactly this when he left Dean. There is no in story excuse that makes sense why he didn't. Especially if he was angry at Dean for ruining his plans. He discarded Dean like an old shoe. It sounds more like he just stopped caring about Dean.

I wonder if the fan favorite could be Meg.

Since I believe the Michael storyline was extra incentive for Jensen to sign, I think its over and done with. I personally believe it was over and done with once the ink dried on Jensen's contract. Reasons why I feel this way (and I'm going to try very hard to stick to facts and leave personal feelings out of this list Dabb blowing off Jensen when he asked for help. Confirmed by Jensen himself at that Q&A at the premier screening. I believe the words he used were "I was an island unto myself). Very little Michael in the premier. It was timed at less than 8 minutes Confirmation from cons that that the two small scenes were did have were cut. Michael being taken out very easily and off screen. Multiple changing stories from the powers that be. First Michael is the big bad than he isn't. (The two contradictory interviews that Dabb and BuckLemming gave pretty much back to back. Dabb's breathing room comment that gave him the opporutnity to focus on other things, beside Michael.* Very little chance to develope this character. Ep 1, two small scenes and important lines about Michael's motivations cut. Ep2. Set up Michael's plan but Michael taken care of off screen. Ep 3- a 1-2 mintues flashback where Michael got his ass handed to him. Ep 9. About one minute, the important more emotional scene given to a guest Actor. Ep 10, The one ep Jensen got the chance. Ep 14. What 2 mintues of a literal scene of Michael discarding Dean like an old shoe. Didn't even get to play a part in dispatching Michael. In between. Very little aftermath. Ep 3 was all about Kaia berating Dean. One half hearted line defending him. Ep 5 A scene that was never followed up on. ep 7. Two 30second scenes of fuzzy vision. No follow up. Episode 11, 12. Once again used to brand Dean as some kind of weak quitter. That was the motive both Sam and Cas assisgned to Dean. Dean given not real oppourtinity to stand up for himself. So there has been almost nothing about Michael when its spelled out. It was never a story Dabb was interested in telling. It was the time waster inbetween Sam's leader arc, Jack woobie arc and Nick. So I don't believe its coming back, becuase it was never there in the first place. *I understand Dabb's breathing room comment is open for debate but given that he used the opportunity to push leader Sam, Jack, Nick and everyone but Dean I think it truly mean, getting Dean off screen. Other reasons why I dont' believe there is a twist is because there hasn't been all season. This is not directed at anyone, just comments and spec I've seen from multiple sources. Ep 2 "don't lose hope, Im sure Michael wouldn't just leave Dean." He did. Ep3- "I'm sure Michael woudn't be taken out that easy." He was. Ep 4-8 "I'm sure we'll get more flashbacks." We didn't. Second half- "Im sure they won't drop the story that easily." They did. So I see zero reason to hope. Its even more depressing spelled out. I don't want Cage Michael back or AU Michael if there is no tie to Dean. This episode established that's over.

Season 6 is a good example of an abrupt shift in plot. Sera Gamble herself said that Sam was supposed to be souless the whole season. But it was dropped because it went over like a lead balloon. I even remember Jensen blowing the twist. In an interview he said said he begged Sera to give Sam his soul back before it was revealed he was souless. I never found the 2nd half really matched things that were revealed in the 2nd half. The biggest WTF was Cas being the one to free Sam from the cage. How is a lowly angel able to get in the cage when we were told that it takes someone on the level of death to do that. That was also the first time Jensen spoke out about his displeasure at the writing, and I remember Singer commenting that because they plan so far ahead it, changing gears is a slow process, like turning a cruise ship around. I don't care if its not sustainable. I would have liked the see the storyline play out on screen. It would have given Jensen a great acting opportunity. If people want Dean to be able to sleep they just have to watch Damaged goods where Dean was snoring away. He looked to be sleeping pretty soundly to me. He was also sleeping in ep 12. It was a nightmare about the box that work him, not Michael pounding his head. So the whole I can;t sleep thing seems to come out of no where. If Sam can take care of the demon problem by stomping his foot and yelling boo, the writers could have given up more Dean keeping an arch angel in his head for a few weeks longer. Rowena could have found a spell to secure the door, not permanently but something to buy them more time and we see Michael having to switch gears and come up with a better plan then just pounding on the door. I hated the way Michael blew off Dean. If anything, given how strong he is, Michael should have killed him or left him comatose. There was no good storyline reason not too. Michael should be furious with Dean. Or at the very least he should have doubled down on his desire to crush him. He know he could do that by killing Sam and/or Cas. I don't care what the reason, Michael just blowing off Dean shouldn't happen when Dean's his true vessel. He should want revenge. It just felt like "your no longer part of this story"

But they aren' moving on. A good show runner should be capable of dealing multiple storylines, Lucifer is currently my favorite show. Now there is a show runner who knows what shes' doing. The majority of the characters had individual storylines that all connected in the end. Dabb has demonstrated he's not capable of dealing with one storyline.

All season long, I've seen spec that "maybe things aren't' what they seem," like when Michael left Dean in episode 2 for....reasons, or that maybe there was more too Dean not getting in the box but in the end it turned out what you see is what you get. So I 100% believe Michael is dead. Dabb and company have demonstrated they are too lazy to actually put effort into creating interesting or coherent storylines. They are as subtle as a sledge hammer and I see this ep as no different.

From @Aeryn13 in the ep 14 Thread This is Sam's destiny so obviously that won't change.

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I'm more convinced then ever that there is a rule in the writers room that says Sam must always be stronger, faster, smarter, more capable, more intelligent, and better at everything then Dean, and also has to be the one who suffers the most. A lamp has more of a role on the show then Dean these days because at least a lamp gives off light. If Michael had left Dean in a coma at the end of episode 2, and Dean just work up this ep, literally nothing about this season would change.

Anyone want to bet for the next two weeks Sam finds the case, does all the research while Dean stands around and looks pretty? I fear he's given up an is just there for the paycheck now.

Another thing that didn't make sense was Michael getting out while Dean was unconscious. We saw Dean snoring away without a care in the world in Damaged Good.

If this was any other show, I'd wonder if the events of the last 15 minutes was Michael playing with Dean and trying to get him to drop his guard, and that the psychic head Sam and Cas are in is a trap while the "old friend" is Michael taking Dean and Jack for a joy ride. But this is Dabbnatural and they have no imagination, creativity or ability. So I'm sure what we saw is what we got.

I'm sure Dean will retract it but I'm going to enjoy it while it lasts. I expect he'll thank Jack for saving him next week. I personally hope neither brother is in peril at the end of this season. I'm so O'Ded on sick suffering Sam I no longer care, and if its Dean it will be dropped by the end of the first episode. Dabb isnt' capable of actually telling a story. That much is obvious. (My opinion, of course. )