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You do mean Maci not Mack right? That monologue by Larry was another thing that cemented my view that Maci is doing the right thing. First with Bentley, or using Bentley, being a trigger they have already made up the excuse of why is ok for Ryan to be high around him. Second Larry stated several times that RYAN is their everything. Jen nodded along with this. There was no correction of Ryan AND Bentley are our everything. That to me shows Ryan will ALWAYS come before Bentley with them. I've been a foster parent and seen the devastating effect this level of enabling can cause. I've seen DCS remove children from grandparents who have them because they constantly violate the state's custody agreement in order to enable their addict kid. Maci in my opinion is 100% in the right to not allow him to go over there. Now if they can place nice with her and meet at her house or a neutral meeting place that would be different but they don't seem to want to do that. It's much easier to sit around and bitch about how evil Maci is while doing absolutely nothing to try and remedy the situation.

It seems Cate may be deluded thinking the questions Carly is asking are things along the lines of why can't she see her and Tyler more often and how much she misses them etc. I think the real questions are " Why do I have to visit these loud, smelly trashy people? They make me uncomfortable. Do I really have to?" It is also very telling that C&T think that B&T putting Carly's feelings first is punishing them. They really don't care about her, it's all about them. Just like they didn't care what Carly's schedule may be. They had vacation plans and how dare B&T not choose a time that's most convenient for them. If they had kept her she'd be even more neglected then Nova. I wouldn't trust Jen with Bentley either. I can hear her now, "Ryan was just driving him 5 minutes away for ice cream. Ryan just wanted to take him hunting. Ryan only failed the drug test because that stuff stays in his system for 10 years, he's clean. Ryan only has those needles lying around because he's become diabetic." She loves Bentley but she loves Ryan more and she will never accept that Ryan is not her perfect little angel. I'm not a Maci fan but 100% on her side with this one.

Why yes Ryan, of course you should get Bentley when you're 2 minutes out of skipping out off rehab early with no follow up plan and a Coors Light in your hand. Maci should trust you no questions asked because you've always been such an awesome involved father. What a piece of work. I know Maci and Tyler have their own Bud Light issues but neither of them have ever nodded off while driving in the mountains stoned out of there mind and they actually seem to engage with the kids. I do think Ryan had a moment of clarity when he was tearing up, just not sure if it was guilt that he was letting his dad treat Bentley like he treated him or realizing Bentley will know he's a drug addict. Amber..... Matt is a piece of shit but your reason for getting rid of him WTF? Not that he cheats on you, not that he gaslights you, not that he steals your money but because he won't talk shit about his daughter and walks away when you go ape shit. Probably the only normal thing he's done. Farrah seems much more normal now that she's out of her mother's orbit for the most part. I think she's the only one of these girls on OG our TM2 to actually take therapy seriously. I would never be involved in the adult entertainment industry but she seems to really enjoy it and she seems to be securing a future for herself. Caitlyn thanks for keeping the IUD in. The last thing you need is another kid.

I agree but since Farrah seems to have removed Sofia from being around them unsupervised they can have it. Both equally matched by jobs.

That's exactly what I took it to mean.

Forgive me, I had to giggle a bit at this. Not medical field, but formerly of huge company when IT insisted all would be well with a rollout at our busiest time of year. Needless to say, IT had not anticipated everything and brought down the business for a day and a half. So, yep, Bailey was annoying, but I get her standing over their shoulders and being crazy. Of course, we all have our stories whether on IT side or on end-user side, so we can all relate to someone here!!!! So... the teaching hospital I work at went live with a new software 3 weeks ago. Let's just say paper charts have become very popular.

In the third picture, her face in the monitor looks like Diane Downs in a brown wig. She is so dead inside.

Was I the only one hoping they would end the episode with a side by side shot of Chelsea, Cole and Aubree's cute cake cutting with Jenelle's trashtastic mud and robe cake cutting?

I had to zoom in to see it was a LV. I thought it was the Michael Kors I bought my daughter last year.

THIS!!!! I used to be a foster parent and this is exactly what would have happened. When we were going to foster parent classes there was a young man telling us about growing up in the system. He and his brother were placed in foster care when his brother was born addicted to crack and he was 18 months old. He told us how the foster parents were their parents. They were loved and cared for them and were a very happy family. 7 YEARS later, his bio mom get her act together enough that the state gave them back to her at ages 9 and 7. In less then a year they were removed from her custody again but the state refused to put them back with their original foster family because the bio mom complained that they had turned the kids against her and the social worker had stated that they were too close to the kids. They both ended up in group homes and aging out of the system. My best friend fostered and got her son when he was 6 months old. It took 6 years to get bio moms rights terminated so she could adopt. I quit fostering because I couldn't handle how broken the system is. A little boy I had was at a supervised visitation with his bio mom and social worker at her apartment. The social worker and little boy ended up in the ER from being overwhelmed by the "cleaning fumes" (bio mom was a habitual meth head) and they still wouldn't stop visitation. His dad stepped in and it still took the state 3 years to terminate her rights. They were holding the fact that dad was out of the picture for 3 years against him but kept giving that abusive drug addict "mother" chance after chance. If Barb had not stepped in, Jace would be cycling thru the system and in much worse shape then he is now.

And Jenelle would be shouting it to the rooftops and selling it to every tabloid known to man. The fact she doesn't makes me thing nothing to see there.

I can't believe I'm defending Farrah but if MTV really fired her for porn while keeping Jenelle and David, the most abusive couple on reality TV, I think I'm done. I'm sorry but sending the message porn is bad but abuse is ok is horrible.

But Briana is stupid and lazy.... and vulgar and disgusting and trashy yet somehow also boring.

I may go to hell after watching that. How bad is it that when I hear Jeremy say "It's sad when a 5 year old knows how mommy does it.. By shoving it all in the back" all I can think of is that sounds like a conversation between Sophia and Simon.

That's exactly what they were doing. It may have even been a deleted scene. I remember plenty of episodes of Jenelle and Babs fighting over taking care of Jace but I don't recall ever seeing Jenelle flat out say she hadn't had time to smoke weed and admit she was leaving to get high. This episode is general seemed to showcase that the producers are sick of her BS and threats to quit.

I loved how the very first scene showed mean old Barb stealing Jace away from Jenelle's loving arms. Bwahabahaaaaaa! Nothing says I want to steal your child like that discussion. "I didn't choose to have a baby at 57. I want you to come home and feed him, give him a bath and put him to bed.". " Dude! You're stressing me out soooo bad. I haven't even had a chance to smoke weed yet today. Screw you, I'm leaving to get high. "

I didn't notice that. I'd be fuming if I had. I busted my ass for mine without bringing my kids to class...

I do believe I saw emotion in Jenelle's eyes tonight. It was seething rage when Jace dared to say he didn't want her to marry UBT. I think the cameras in the car were the only thing keeping her from backhanding him. When UBT inevitably kills her, Jace is going to feel so guilty because he gave permission for them to get married. Then she lets UBT barge in on his birthday Facetime. I also loved how she couldn't be bothered to wrap his cheap ass birthday present. I normally wouldn't judge a birthday present but its Jenelle and she buys UBT anything he wants and gives her son that she wants back soooooo bad some cheap toy truck. In short, fuck you Jenelle.

I agree Amber is generally more violent then Jenelle but I think Jenelle is more likely to be violent against her children. Amber had never shown any violent tendencies against Leah and she seems to have realized she's not mom material ( even if she won't admit it) and doesn't try to take her away from Gary and she's hasn't brought another child into the world.

Chelsea Maci Farrah Kail Leah Cate Amber Jenelle

You need to be exposed to the wonders of Sandra Lee on Food Network. You can learn all sorts of recipes such as her famous angel food cake. Step 1 Buy an angel food cake; Step 2 Slather it in canned frosting or a tub of Cool Whip; Step 3 Top with a citronella candle and serve! For a quick laugh google Sandra Lee Kwanzaa Cake. I can easily see Aunt Sandy being an inspiration to Kail. Her food is crap but she goes into Pinterest overload on table decorations to the point where you cannot put food on the table.

Is it wrong that I don't care that David obviously beat the shit out of Jenelle? I fear for the kids and wouldn't want anything bad to happen to them, and I don't condone abuse at all, but Jenelle is such a vile horrible person that her kids best chance may be with her missing on the land and UBT in jail for life. Otherwise they are in for a life of abuse from UBT and neglect from her. Even if she were to get away from David she would just find someone just as bad if not worse.

The wheelchair debacle was all Leah and to some extent Corey's doing. I live down the street from the place that makes the wheelchair that she uses. That is also the place where repairs are made. I have toured the facility and have seen the chairs in production, the chairs in for repair and the loaner chairs. While insurance may have given some push back, Leah had more then enough money from MTV to go ahead and pay for the repair and then fight with the insurance to get reimbursed. The would have overnighted her a loaner chair. Corey just didn't think she needed it and Leah was more worried about money for pillses.

That scene proved that she knows he's scared and she knows why. She blames everything on Barb that she possibly can and she didn't even try to blame Barb for making it up or for brainwashing Jace.

That is my grandmother's legal name.... Please don't let either of those 2 idiots spawn again.