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He is talking though. It's been all him for months now. He's talked about them rekindling things to the media several times while she's said nothing. The first time she spoke up was after that article about Josh calling the cops and his so called assistant accusing her of bodyshaming and whatnot, which he no doubt had a hand in. She spoke up to defend herself. Then Josh started things again yesterday by replying to Emily's comment in a random IG post saying he's surprised Amanda hasn't hired Emily to kill him yet. There was more that he quickly deleted and his crazy mom was going after Lauren hard with several fake accounts both on that same IG post as well as one on Lauren's IG saying her engagement with Ben is fake and they'll break up soon. He is the instigator of all this drama and then he pretends to be above it, because that's what manipulative assholes do. I've dealt with someone like him before and it's honestly shocking how people can act like that. We have two women and their friends describing him as abusive and controlling now and he's shown it plenty of times on TV as well, so I'm honestly bothered by people still giving him any benefit of the doubt. It's verging on victim blaming for me.

I'm no fan of Amanda's and think she's an idiot, but I do feel sorry for her like I would for any victim of abuse. Josh is total psychopath and obviously good at manipulating people, since even Andi, the then-attorney, fell for his BS and stayed engaged to him for even longer than Amanda. Amanda should've known better, but at least she's not a manipulative abusive a-hole like Josh. I think his statement to this article says it all. Lies, lies and more lies. Yes, they were obviously still seeing each to other to some extent until mid-March and Amanda never denied that. I totally believe her side and commend her for speaking up for herself despite all the intimidation. Josh actually has the nerve to say he hasn't said anything about her to the press or on SM, even though he was posting nasty comments about her literally yesterday. But he deleted them so I guess it never happened? And just three weeks ago he was still talking to the media about them trying to work things out but how it's hard because he wants to live in Atlanta and Amanda won't move her kids on the opposite side of the country (which she probably couldn't even legally do). And a few days ago he had his "personal assistant" spread lies about her, but I suppose we're meant to believe it has nothing to do with him? He wants us to believe he's totally moved on and Amanda and her friends are just obsessing over him for no reason? He honestly infuriates me, people like him and his mom are the absolute worst! You can't believe a word they say, because they will say anything to maintain their fake facade. Those empty threats are like the cherry on top. If he didn't sue Andi for her "fictional novel", he has zero case with Amanda. I hope she'll just laugh them off as she should.

Well the gloves are truly off now between Amanda, Lauren, the twins and Josh + his mom/"assistant"/whoever. It all kicked off in the comments of this IG post when Emily said she'd kill them all and Josh joined in saying he's surprised her friend (AKA Amanda) hasn't hired her to do it yet. Then Lauren and Haley joined in and someone came to defend Josh with fake accounts, probably his crazy mom. Emily told her to stop sucking her son's you-know-what. It then spread to Twitter as well and Josh replied to someone basically denying calling the cops on Amanda, but he's since deleted that tweet. Amanda replied to to it already though: https://twitter.com/amandastantonnn/status/848239760246063105 and https://twitter.com/amandastantonnn/status/848239989863309313 I'm basically Jen right now. Haley with the killer:

They paid for the divorce themselves, because in the IG live Sonia said that when Nick came to her apartment to sign the papers he also paid his half of the divorce costs.

Josh is a raging psychopath in my opinion. His ego got bruised, his IG followers are fleeing and he heard Amanda's writing a book, so he'll do anything to tarnish Amanda's image. It's never gonna work obviously, he's just making himself look worse with every ridiculous magazine article. I think she mentioned the book writing while in Colombia, so what a shocker she was welcomed home by cops. Amanda may be an idiot, but Josh is just scum. Kelly Travis was on Reality Steve's podcast the other day and she had some things to say about Josh. She'd actually heard Josh was on Andi's season while it was filming, and on the stripping group date, when she was in the audience with Sharleen, she actually kind of warned Andi about him. I guess she'd heard some not so nice things and then on the date Josh was more concerned with the audience liking him more than any of the other guys than he was with Andi. Apparently Andi said she'd keep an eye on him, but he was already her favourite at that point, so what can you do. Seems he's very skilled at making a good first impression but his controlling ways will soon follow. I hope that man stays single for life.

Sonia didn't say the whole relationship was toxic, just that they finally ended it once it became toxic. Listening to her IG live, I don't think anything is lost in this divorce. Sounds like their communiaction issues persisted the whole time and they didn't even know what the other was thinking or feeling, so no point hanging on to it. Sonia also said that she's not ready for a relationship at the moment and thinks she doesn't have much to offer, so she's gonna work on herself for now. I can't help rolling my eyes at Sonia to be honest. She keeps saying Nick's not a bad guy and please don't bash him, yet she subtly shades him all the time. Like she's so annoyed that he's posting inspirational quotes he doesn't live by according to her, yet she keeps doing the same IMO. She keeps tweeting about not caring what strangers think about her, yet she's constantly defending and explaining herself on Twitter and IG. She even said on the IG live that she's super sensitive and feels the need to explain herself too much. She had to have a live IG session to "protect herself" while Nick's basically said nothing. I guess his inspirational quotes bother her that much that she feels personally offended if someone buys into them. I just feel like her bitterness is palpable, so the whole "I don't regret anything, please be kind to Nick, I wish we can be friends one day" just comes across really fake to me. If you really want to stop talking about the marriage then just do it instead of acting like you want to but can't because people keep asking.

He's launching an online men's grooming business called Polished Gent next month. Apparently he's been working on it since August. Before (and between) the reality career he was a software salesman at Salesforce.

Yes, they seem very happy together. I wouldn't be surprised if they're the first to marry out of the current engaged couples. Josh and Amanda, on the other hand, are trainwreck central. He's a total manipulative psycho (IMO) who's just using her for attention and talking nonsense to magazines every chance he gets, while she's an idiot who keeps giving him second and third and fourth chances, which always ends with them shading each other on SM and Josh's crazy mother getting involved. Someone save those children! I kind of wish Chris Soules decides to go to Paradise. I think he's pretty lonely and seems to love the camaraderie of the Bachelor Family, so chilling on a beach with a bunch of young'uns is right up his alley. I doubt he'll be a Nick sort of figure though. I think he'd happily date a 24-year-old. It's not like he's much of a conversationist, so age doesn't matter.

I agree that it wasn't his finest moment and there was probably some pettiness involved since Andi was being such an icy beyotch to him. That said, I still think the slut-shaming accusations are ridiculous and that he never meant it in that manner. He just took issue with being led on to that extent, which I can understand. As far as I know, he didn't sleep with either Raven or Rachel, so he hasn't even been a hypocrite about it. In any case, he's apologised to Andi several times both privately and publicly and they've buried the hatchet, so I can't really understand anyone still dwelling on it. It was almost 3 years ago and he hasn't done anything objectionable since IMO. I actually think he's one of the nicest and most mature contestants to come out of this franchise in a long time, so I'm always a bit baffled when people seem to think the complete opposite. He's received so much hate and judgment from viewers and other contestants alike, been treated like trash by his show-exes and had total meatheads try to pick fights with him, yet he's always kept his cool and tried to extend an olive branch. I honestly don't know how he's even able to be so gracious towards people who've said horrible things about him, but he always is. Instead of holding grudges, he'd rather challenge people to hash things out with him, and the ones who take him up on his offer usually end up changing their tune. It's rare to see such maturity in reality TV world. I also think he was one of the more considerate Bachelors, not leading people on any more than he contractually had to and feeling bad when he had to hurt their feelings, since he genuinely liked them as people even if not romantic interests. I also think he found what he was looking for, someone who is not only his physical type to a T, but will discuss everything with him in an open and direct manner. Based on everything I've seen since the finale, they seem very happy and supportive of each other. In fact they're in Milwaukee as we speak attending a basketball game, doing a meet and greet and visiting Nick's family. Oh and as for Jen, I think she was just a bit heartbroken, since she was more into Nick than vice versa. Her own mother said after BIP that Nick treated her daughter with nothing but respect, so I really don't believe Nick intentionally hurt her. They may have kept in touch to some extent after the show, but they clearly weren't dating or anything. Jen probably wished they were, which is why she was so disappointed when he became the Bachelor instead. She missed out on nothing however, since Nick was clearly just not that into her. It's no one's fault, she's just not Nick's type personality-wise.

To be honest, I kind of got the sense that in the end Nick was more into Sonia than vice versa. Not that it's her fault or anything, you can't force yourself to fall in love with someone. Hopefully they don't start slinging mud, but I'm not holding my breath since they interact with fans so much on SM.

http://www.eonline.com/news/837658/inside-nick-viall-and-vanessa-grimaldi-s-new-life-after-the-bachelor This bit made me chuckle, since we were talking about Sean and Cat:

Yeah, there's nothing steamy about a man trying to grope a woman's privates in public, even if they're in a relationship. If they're simply dance partners on a TV show, it's sexual harassment. It really skeeves me out how it's being tied to their showmance by the media.

I wish he was on this season, since the cast seems really unbalanced. All the men are pretty much total amateurs while all the women have obvious dance experience.

Yeah, that was just gross. I suspect it's not the first time he's been inappropriate judging by Sharna's reaction. Hope he's gone soon. Rashad surprised me. He was really enjoying himself. Nick did well considering he seemed totally terrified. Hopefully he'll calm down a bit next week. I just can't with all the female ringers. Meh. Nancy was beautiful.

Nick and Vanessa went on a double date with Peta and Maks yesterday: http://www.justjared.com/2017/03/19/nick-viall-vanessa-grimaldi-double-date-with-peta-murgatroyd-maks-chmerkovskiy/ Some eagle-eyed fans have also noticed that they're sporting matching bracelets with each other's name on them. So dorky, yet so cute!

Vanessa has a true hourglass figure. And I think she does CrossFit, so that probably adds some bulk. I think it's nice to see a woman on this show who is truly fit and strong, not just skinny.

Don't forget the book! Sean has done everything he could possibly do and more to profit from his Bachelor stint, it's like his career at this point. He just got lucky that he actually fell in mutual love and found an insecure enough woman to hang onto him despite his self-absorbed jerkish tendencies and sexual hang-ups. No way was he ever gonna let her go, since it would've been the end of his Bachelor career. So for him to think he's better and more "right reasons" than all the other famewhores just shows a total lack of self-awareness to me. Anyway, this is a cute video of Nick, Vanessa and Peta: http://www.accesshollywood.com/videos/dancing-with-the-stars-nick-viall-peta-murgatroyd-on-training-for-the-show/ Nick keeps patting Vanessa's butt, lol.

That quote is even worse than how you first interpreted it. Implying they'll be broken up by June and Nick will be on BIP again? What a d*ck. And I have seen some article about Sean and Catherine advising Nick against going on DWTS since it was so hard for them. First of all, no wonder it was so damn hard, since Catherine was sitting alone in her separate apartment most of the time, all thanks to Sean's born-again virgin nonsense (no offence to anyone who feels that's worthwhile). I'm sure Nick and Vanessa are living together and having sex to kill time, so they're already better off. Second of all, Nick and Vanessa are IMO years/decades ahead of Sean and Cat in maturity and Nick won't be thinking Peta's coming on to him just because she's teaching him to dance. Third of all, despite it being hard, Sean and Cat are now married and have a baby, so clearly it wasn't hard enough to break them up. It all depends on your level of commitment really. Sean just feels threatened every time a Bachelor lead gets more airtime than him, because his whole identity is tied to the idea that he's the best Bachelor evah. Of course he'd advise everyone else to pass up on stuff he's eargerly participated in and greatly profited from. I cannot stand that guy.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this. I think a lot was left out of that conversation (like every conversation on this show) to make it seem as tense as possible, when in fact they were both smiling and acting flirty throughout. I for one took it to mean that she wants to spend Sundays with her family if she lives in Montreal, which she does at the moment, but she has lived in other cities before and I have a feeling she's willing to do it again. I mean Nick even clarified "So when you're in Montreal on Sundays, you have lunch?" and she said yes. She didn't add that she must be in Montreal every Sunday for the rest of her life. Like someone already said, her "core value" might just be Sunday time with family, whether that means her relatives or her own family with her future husband. And if she'd already made it clear she won't move while in the hot tub, why would they be discussing it again in the evening like it hadn't come up? I guess we'll find out soon enough. If they are engaged then this conversation will probably be moot.

Vanessa never said she wouldn't move out of Canada either. She just asked if moving to Canada was a non-negotiable for Nick, which is a fair question. Just because she replied that she's a proud Canadian, it doesn't mean she would never move. She never actually clarified what her own intentions are, she was just trying to gauge Nick's. I also took the Sunday dinner thing to mean that she does it when it's logistically possible. Like if she lives in the same city then she wants to spend that time with them, but that whole conversation was so chopped up, it's hard to tell what she really meant.

I don't think Corinne calling her a bitch is what Taylor was concerned about, rather Corinne repeatedly saying that she was bullying her. I can believe Taylor was rude to her and kept her distance after the interrupting/re-interrupting nonsense and Corinne drunkenly lecturing people, but bullying is a strong word and definitely not something a mental health counsellor would want to be associated with. I can see how being branded a bully might affect her professionally. Of course you can say it's her own fault for engaging with Corinne in the first place, but I do feel a bit bad for her. She's just young, still sees the world in black and white, and clearly has little experience in dealing with dramatic toddlers such as Corinne. She obviously had no idea what she was getting herself into by getting on Corinne's bad side. Not saying I don't find Taylor immature and obnoxious, but the hate she's gotten is pretty intense and baffling considering Corinne seems to be getting away with everything. I felt her frustration when Corinne wouldn't even try to understand where she was coming from, let alone show any sort of empathy. It's hard for any rational person to deal with talking to a proverbial wall. As annoying and immature as I find them both, Taylor came away looking like the bigger person to me. I'm sure she'll mature at some point, Corinne however... I have my doubts.

I don't see why to be honest. DWTS pays really really well. I don't see why anyone would turn it down unless the thought of dancing in public makes them hurl. Nick seems to enjoy dancing, so it's a no-brainer really. If I was engaged to him and planning on starting a family, I'd be forcing him to do it, since it's a nice nest egg. It's not often you get the chance to make hundreds of thousands in a few weeks. IMO Nick and his F1 would have to feel pretty insecure about their relationship to turn it down, in which case all the more reason to not waste the opportunity over a doomed relationship. But that's just my opinion on the matter. Rather DWTS than a trainwreck show like Ben and Lauren.

Well I would assume he didn't know her address since his friend brought him there and that's why he needed her help. I doubt he was just bossing her around, lol.

People were wondering who has those elaborate viewing parties without the cameras being there. Well... Those "paparazzi pics" are the most hilarious thing ever.

I think what Liz was referring to when she claimed she'd tried to make their paths cross or whatever, is the same thing Jade referred to while defending Liz in the mags after the first two episodes. Apparently Liz had asked Jade to invite Nick to some charity even they were organising, but Nick was busy and couldn't make it. It wasn't clear if Nick had any idea about the ulterior motive behind the invitation, so I'm not surprised he doesn't know what on earth she's talking about. In any case, it's pretty ridiculous. They're all adults, Liz should've just invited him herself. I'm pretty sure they were also following each other on Twitter before filming, so she could've simply sent Nick a DM if she wanted. No need to try and orchestrate some undercover meeting through a friend, it's so high school.