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That was my impression as well. And I could almost swear that at some point Andi asked him "so you haven't been on a date for 5 years?". Now obviously I might've misheard, but I remember being like "wait... whaaat?" and expecting him to correct her, but he didn't, so that left me a bit confused. I would think the truth lies somewhere in the middle, as in he's been on some dates with various girls and had a bit of fun, but never really progressed beyond that and been exclusive. However, I don't think meeting the parents is the next step after some casual dates, so it's still quite far from a serious relationship.

I think he does have more sense, because in the video of him talking about Andi's decision, the person he's talking to clearly asks if there's a chance of her changing her mind and he doesn't seem at all hopeful. I mean he references Jason, but then goes onto say how stubborn Andi is. Then again, maybe it hadn't hit him fully yet at that point and he later regretted not trying to change her mind.

Or he's just so used to saying those words without meaning them that it doesn't phase him at all. But who knows, maybe they're just "meant to be". (I love how Nick dislikes that phrase BTW). I'm also a bit suspicious of someone who hasn't been dating for 5 years, and according to himself has never truly loved someone, suddenly knowing he's found The One on a TV dating show. I mean, if you haven't been in any sort of relationship for years then it might be easier to get swept up by the smallest of emotions.

Am I the only one who was a bit unnerved about Andi's date with Josh being a carbon copy of her fantasy date with Juan Pablo? Well the day portion anyway. They walked around town being goofy and then played the sport he used to do professionally with some random kids. Are they trying to underline the fact that she has a certain type she always goes for, or was the point to highlight how different those dates were despite all the similarities? Either way Josh just bores me. He might be easygoing and even sincere, but I can never muster up much interest in what he has to say. Whereas with Nick, as incoherent as he may get when he's nervous, when he does manage to string a sentence together I find myself keenly listening, because what he says is often refreshingly unexpected. And Andi has the same incoherence problem at times, so a match made in heaven! Too bad she seems to be gravitating towards Josh. I just fear she may find herself bored with him sooner rather than later. I don't know if it was just misleading editing, but Andi's dad didn't seem as impressed with Josh as people have predicted. I actually found myself crushing on Nick a bit now that he only had one or none layers on. Have they mostly been to cold places this season? Because I really can't remember seeing much of his body before. Just the perfect amount of muscle IMO. But then again I find nothing attractive about overly pumped gym rats. As for Chris, I think he handled himself well and was just being stoic. He reacted very similarly to the news about Eric's death, so I think that's just how he is and I'm not gonna judge him for it. I feel secondhand embarrassment towards most guys weeping in the limo about their life being over because some girl they barely knew wasn't feeling it, so good for Chris! He seemed hurt on the inside. On the other hand I doubt he was actually in love with Andi. He seems way too sensible to fall for someone based on so little. And as Sharleen pointed out in her last recap, his romantic gestures have seemed a bit too planned out and corny to be sincere. He's been trying to force the romance ever since those "secret admirer" letters.

To be honest, I don't really see what Ben Flajnik and Chris Bukowski have in common lookswise, except that I don't find either of them handsome at all. Ben is one of the least attractive people ever to be casted by the Bachelor franchise with the most unfortunate hairstyle I've ever seen. Chris to me looked like a shady sleaze ever since he stepped out of the limo during Emily's season of the Bachelorette and proved to be just that, especially in Bachelor Pad. He had a good body though, but so does Doug as far as I could tell. He's very athletic after all. I don't really get what is so terrible about Doug's looks aside from the unfortunate moles. Well his jaw is quite prominent, but that can be hidden somewhat with stubble, along with the moles. I think he's got a lovely smile and eyes, so Jamie saying she has nothing to work with is just baffling to me. BTW, not sure if this is considered a spoiler, but Speaking of Jamie, I was rewatching some episodes of Bachelor Pad to refresh my memory and at one point she was talking to the camera saying something like "I just want to fall in love! On TV! So I can show my kids." Oh OK, Jamie. I wouldn't show my kids any footage of me slinging myself at a guy who doesn't seem interested at all, but maybe that's just me. Good thing those kids with Chris didn't happen. But she's clearly obsessed with having a fairytale romance on TV, and it's pretty clear that the show's producers decided to pair her up with someone who doesn't fit her idea of a fairytale lover just for some drama. That's quite a horrible thing to do to Doug, if he was serious about the whole thing.

I would trust the process a bit more, if you hadn't chosen a cast member who has been in both The Bachelor and Bachelor Pad, making quite a fool of herself if I may add. The fact that she is still trying to get into dating shows, even after being humiliated by two very average looking men on TV, points to her being a bit of a famewhore. She also doesn't come across as the most emotionally stable person, so making her the guinea pig in such an experiment doesn't make your psychological testing seem very serious or effective. I do however enjoy the show for what it is, trash reality TV. I think Jason and Cortney might actually have a shot, but no more than any other couple who are attracted to each other enough to start dating.

Oh Jamie the lapdancer. You'd think she wouldn't be that shallow considering she was trying to seduce Ben of all people. Did the show put those fake looking moles on the groom's face just to freak her out even more? That's a bit evil. He doesn't look half bad in the profile pic in that Dailymail article.

I think it's fairly obvious that the girl is just some football fan who took pictures with them at a Meet & Greet and posted them with funny comments that got taken seriously by stupid people from gossip sites. It's just a way of calling them hot, nothing to do with actually dating them. I doubt there's any connection between her and that Snapchat user Josh has been active with, other than a few letters in their names.

He must've got it from Sean's shop The Factory Girl. That place sells, or at least used to sell, some hideous furniture painted just like that. I browsed the site after his season ended and nearly clawed my eyes out.

I thought Nick was really cute during his HTD. His feelings are definitely the most genuine of this whole lot, probably because he came onto the show doubting the process as opposed to being already halfway "in love". I felt really sorry for him when Bella said Andi answered "yes" to the question about truly loving Nick and then changed it to "liking" when she realised that wasn't actually true. His face went from "OMG she really loves me too" to "Oh. I guess that's better than nothing". I would be a bit freaked out about joining a family that huge though and Andi did seem a bit less lovey dovey than before during that date, so I fear for Nick. He already looked like he was about to be sick, when it was between him and Marcus. Chris would definitely be a dream for someone who doesn't mind living on a farm in the middle of nowhere and being a housewife. There have been more than a few cheesy romance novels written about hot millionaire farmers. There's no way I can see Andi living there though, no matter how hard Chris's family was trying to sell it. It was interesting that Chris seemed far more realistic about the whole thing than his mom and told Andi that if you don't like living somewhere, then it won't work no matter how in love you are. Then his mom tried to tell her the opposite. But I'm sure Chris will have no trouble finding a wife now that more than a few people know what a catch he is. Dating Josh would be my biggest nightmare. I might watch soccer on TV sometimes, but that's as far as my interest in sports goes. His family seemed ALL about sports. And as excited as Josh may be about his brother's football career, it seemed pretty rude to immediately start talking about that when they sat down. It's as if their guest of honour and reason to be on TV wasn't even there. I honestly don't see what Andi sees in him. I guess she is a sports fan though and finds him hot, but I would think he could've found another boring jock on her own. He's basically a slightly more eloquent and intelligent Juan Pablo. I would hope it's the edit making him seem hung up on his baseball past, but it's been the topic of conversation a few times too many considering it ended, what, 7 years ago? If she chooses him then good luck to her! What a wasted opportunity to find someone she wouldn't find otherwise. Her infatuation with Josh, together with her much too fequent use of "like", makes me think she isn't really all that smart, just studious. I hated watching Marcus's HTD. It's was so obvious she wasn't that into him and then he had to go and do a striptease. I would NOT want to be turned on just before meeting someone's family. I hope she really wasn't into it or brought a spare pair of undies. Gross. It was a bit creepy how even in the exit interview he seemed to think that if he hadn't told her he loved her so early he would still be in it. He just came off as one of those guys who think they can control everything. You can't make someone love you if they don't feel it! Doesn't matter what you do or don't do. Maybe I'm just really jaded, but I didn't really mind them showing the reactions of everyone to the news about Eric. Showing the clip over and over in previews was in poor taste, but since this claims to be a reality show and it's probably the most real thing to ever occur, I can understand them wanting to include it. Especially since Andi was still a mess in the rose ceremony the next day. I don't think any of them knew about the death before Chris told them. I mean the guys probably thought something had happened to Andi or that she wanted to stop the whole process and that's why they looked so worried. Andi had most likely been told about the accident at least or that there were bad news, so she knew something really bad was coming. I too noticed Josh looking less bothered than the rest, but it's hard to say if it was shock or just that he couldn't really muster much grief over someone he barely knew.

I definitely agree with most things Sharleen is saying. Not sure about the unusually high number of invested guys though. I think in most seasons the final 4 at least claim to be falling in love, not that it means much, but I'm not really convinced about the feelings of many of the guys this season either. Marcus definitely thinks he's in love and Nick has strong feelings too, unless he's a total bullshitter, but I'm not so sure about the rest. Think they might just be suffering from Stockholm syndrome, which happens in most seasons. But I do like that Sharleen's pointing out the things Andi does wrong and that she likes Nick, because honestly, he is the only half interesting guy in left. Josh seems too mememe, Marcus is boring and a little creepy to me and Chris is nice enough, when he's not being a whiny bitch about Nick, but he's not the one for Andi. I also like how unbothered Nick is whenever the guys start going after him. That alone makes him more likeable than the rest. I don't find him creepy either.

I can usually see why the person being ganged up on is so annoying to the others, even if I don't think bullying them makes anyone more attractive, but this time it really just seems like producer manipulation. Yeah, Nick doesn't have to voice his confidence to the others, but then again I don't see why it's such a crime. He has every reason to be confident, because everyone with two eyes and half a brain can tell that Andi's been pretty smitten with him since day one. I do think she's also smitten with Josh though, which might come as a surprise to Nick, but he's definitely heading to the finale, so his confidence isn't unfounded. And even though he is a salesman, I do think Andi IS falling for him, so him saying that isn't just mind games. More so an explanation for why he's feeling so confident. She's said herself since early on and she feels like he "sees" her and said it again in this episode, so sounds like he isn't that far off. It just seems like he couldn't win no matter how he acts with the other guys, because if he says he's sure about their connection he's arrogant according to them, and if he says nothing, he's not really interested in Andi. To me he just seems like the type who doesn't want to talk about his feelings towards a woman to a bunch of others who are also dating her, so instead he talks about how the show works and so on. I don't see a problem with that nor studying past seasons, because everyone who isn't stupid would do that. It just seems like pure jealousy on behalf of the guys with the weakest connections. They all came off a bit dim in that argument after the group date, especially Brian, and I don't like Chris anymore either. I'm still baffled about them getting pissed at Nick for consoling Andi after the argument with Eric. As far as I could tell any one of them could've done it if they wanted to, but they rather just sat around gossiping while the object of their so called affection was sitting alone and upset. Nick acted like a boyfriend would and they got all offended about it. I'm in no way attracted to Nick myself, but the chemistry between him and Andi is undeniable, so I can't help but side with him. This show is about finding a mate after all, not some nice guy popularity contest. And whoever gets personally offended by someone voicing their confidence needs to grow a pair. It's not his fault you're insecure and trying to force a relationship with someone who isn't into you. Josh bores me and seems too serious about everything, but I too think he might end up as the chosen one. He's Andi's type and she's into him. It would also be the easiest relationship to follow through with, since they live in the same city. Then again, Andi quitting her job points to her hoping for some media career, so she might not want to stay in Atlanta anyway. I just don't think Josh is really as into her as he claims. It seems like he was forced to say he's falling in love, because Andi kept begging for some declaration. It didn't exactly roll off his tongue. Marcus is a nice guy, but kind of boring and just too young. I wouldn't trust his love to be real at all. Seems like a text book case of falling in love with the idea of falling in love.

I always wonder about this, because every season there are a couple of "token" African Americans in the mix, yet they never get very far. It seems really unfair to put them on the show just for diversity, if you know they have no chance of making it to the end. I highly doubt every single lead on this show has been open to dating, let alone marrying, a dark skinned person. Now I'm not calling them racist, but everyone has their preferences. I think Andi's type is pretty obviously not Marquel, but I had hopes for her giving him a proper shot since we've seen her having fun and even flirting with him. She must've known from the beginning that he wasn't for her and decided to stop stringing him along now, because she would've had to give him a one-on-one otherwise. Patrick's exit made him seem more clueless than arrogant. "Many people have told me I have good qualities for a husband". Yeah, your parents and women who are breaking up with you, I'd guess. Bet he's heard that "You're a great guy and any girl would be lucky to have you, but this just isn't working out" speech many times.

I hadn't heard of him before either, but went to Youtube him first thing after the episode. I usually have no interest in the artists giving them private concerts, but he sounded refreshingly talented and reminded me of David Gray a bit. Seems he's pretty unknown though, and the song he played isn't even on Youtube, but some other nice ones are. I'm a bit on the fence when it comes to Josh. I mean I wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole personally, but Andi seems really into him and he does seem into her as well. Then again, he's trying a bit too hard for someone who's totally sincere. Going on and on about not being the typical athlete while he supposedly hasn't been on a date in 5 years. Now who here thinks a guy like him has been celibate for 5 years? Yeah, no one does. That only leaves the option that he's been picking women up in clubs all this time. Not really husband material IMO. And what is his current job?? Brian is strange. Seems nice, but the missing opportunities and then regretting it is getting old. I don't know if the kitchen segment was exaggerated, but who gets that moody just by being in the kitchen? I get being insecure about your cooking abilities, if you have none, but it's not that serious. You don't have to be good at everything, Brian! I too like how Nick handled the BS drama. He didn't seem bothered at all and even apologised for upsetting Cody, but they kept harping on about it and Cody was all too happy to tell Andi. Can't believe she kept him. I don't like how Andi insisted on getting to the bottom of the so called drama and made such a big deal about it. Chris was such a class act not wanting to talk about it, yet Andi kept probing. Nevermind the fact that it was not even worth discussing, everyone who's watched this show knows that tattling just ends up biting you in the ass. Especially when it's about one of the favourites. And then she got all paranoid about Nick, when he didn't act like he'd done something horrible. Come on now, guys are always mocking each other. Boo-effin'-hoo. I'd be more concerned about that horrific "poem" and the pouting. Though I'd probably be pouting too in his place, since I hate performing in public and making a fool of myself. Call me serious, but I don't see the fun in such activities. At least he was real about it. He does strike me as a bit possessive though considering how early it is. I don't think Andrew said "blackies" either and even if he did, there was no reason to bring it up at this point. JJ is getting on my last nerve. He really does seem like he's stuck in high school and not that I condone bullying in any shape or form, but he does seem like the type who would get bullied at school. Stirring shit and then not even owning up to it when it hits the fan... such cowardly behaviour. He seems less likeable each ep. I'm gonna miss Marquel! He was the most handsome man in this whole sorry lot, and the funniest too. Intelligent and charming also. Stupid of Andi not to give him a fair shot. I'd watch him as the Bachelor over all the others this season.

I wouldn't call Andi a hypocrite just yet. Her main gripe with Juan Pablo was that he didn't even try to get to know her despite taking her as far as the fantasy suite. Instead he just talked about himself and even the other women. Now Andi on the other hand has definitely been trying to get to know all the men, at least the ones she's been on a one-on-one date with. In fact she's been so wrapped up in getting to know them that she maybe hasn't been talking about herself enough. Quite the opposite of Juan Pablo as far as I can tell. I think she was well aware that being the lead involves dragging along a certain number of guys you know you're not gonna end up with, but the least you can do is to get to know them as people. I mean just macking on people you have no interest in otherwise makes them feel cheap.

Maybe it's just the fact that I didn't like Eric before either, but I was on Andi's side. I definitely don't enjoy watching her hissy fits and I don't think the other guys deserved to be lectured, but I do get why she was offended. Their conversations had been centred around Eric's travels, which I thought might be editing, but then she confirmed it when she confronted him during the group date. I do think she was a bit too confrontational there and he was taken aback by it, so even though she left that little talk feeling good, he felt like he'd taken all the blame for the relationship stalling and then wanted to turn the tables on her at the cocktail party. Instead of saying he thinks they should both be more open and themselves, he said he felt totally the opposite of how she felt, that it was her not opening up to him and essentially called her a TV actress. So I think it was really him who wasn't very good at taking criticism. He had to turn the tables completely instead of reaching for the middle ground. Not a very appealing quality in a mate. And if Andi really was taking things seriously and doing the best she good, then of course she'd be offended being called an actress. I don't know how he thought she'd respond to that, but it felt like he was expecting an argument since he didn't even want to sit down with her. Makes me doubt his motivation for being on the show, as much as it pains me to speak ill of the dead. And he didn't even seem ready for marriage based on what he said on the show. I got the sense that marriage to him is a necessary evil in order to get the family he desired, like only kids could be more important than his "mission". Andi annoyed me at the beginning of the season and I thought she seemed fake too, but who doesn't meeting a bunch of strangers? I've appreciated how real she's been with the guys in the last couple of episodes, even thought about it during her dates in this ep. I think she's doing a better job than most bachelorettes so far. Dylan seems like a nice guy, but I don't think he should be on this show. When did he say his brother died, last November? Because if so, then no wonder he seems totally overcome by sadness. I feel really bad for him, but this is not the time to be looking for love on a dating show. I hope he can cheer up a bit, but still... it's just too soon. Marcus still creeps me out a bit. Maybe it's just that he's too young and naive. I still think Nick could turn out to be this season's Brooks. He's trying so hard to get past his scepticism, but I'm not sure if I'm buying it yet. I can't believe they wasted 5 minutes showing the disappointment of the losing team. It was like the end of the world. Except it wasn't. Yawn.