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S05.E16: Chapter Ninety-Seven

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When Jane's editor pitches her a dark twist for her book, Jane begins to wonder if the same thing might have actually happened to her. Rogelio helps River bond with her daughter, but River once again makes things difficult for him. To avoid thinking about her career change, Xo instead focuses on trying to smooth things over between Jane and Alba. Meanwhile, Alba stands up to someone from her past, which helps Jane realize she should do the same for herself. 

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Original air date: 7/17/19

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Well . . . For having only 2 more episodes left, I’m kind of disappointed. 

At least Rose escaped so there is some hope for some excitement to come.

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I can forgive a fair amount in the name of this being a telenovela, but it made absolutely no damn sense that Rose was able to escape. No infirmary right in the correctional center? Unlikely. No shackles for her on the gurney? Not a chance in hell. 

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2 hours ago, RoadFullOfPromise said:

I can forgive a fair amount in the name of this being a telenovela, but it made absolutely no damn sense that Rose was able to escape. No infirmary right in the correctional center? Unlikely. No shackles for her on the gurney? Not a chance in hell. 

especially since she stabbed herself right in front of the guard.  Oh, hey, an international criminal with a long history of escaping the law just stabbed herself to try to get to the hospital.  Yes, let's send her off without shackles since that's not suspicious at all.

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10 hours ago, RoadFullOfPromise said:

I can forgive a fair amount in the name of this being a telenovela, but it made absolutely no damn sense that Rose was able to escape. No infirmary right in the correctional center? Unlikely. No shackles for her on the gurney? Not a chance in hell. 

The Maimi PD is awarded the award for making the cast of police academy look like Kojak. No wonder Michael was a terrible detective. The entire force is full of clowns. Oh, and Rose has surpassed every Bond and comic book villian ever. 

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I don't think it's unreasonable for Jane to have concerns about Rose. As she pointed out, Rose is a dangerous sociopath and that's enough of a reason to believe that she's capable off doing things like switching babies. Just look at what she did with Michael!

When Jane realized that writing about Rose could anger her enough to send people after her or her family, I didn't think she was being unreasonable. I'm not saying she needs to live her life in constant fear, but it was good for her to at least consider what the possible outcomes could be. If Alba got that upset about Jane writing the truth about her story, how upset would Rose get having her story revealed?

I didn't like that Xo dismissed Jane's concern with "you have to get Rose out of your head." Again, I'm not saying that Jane should let her fear of Rose dictate all of her decisions. I just think that it's perfectly normal and reasonable to consider a scenario where poking the bear could result in something bad happening. She's murdered and kidnapped before so it's not really a stretch to think she might do it again (or have someone do it for her). The way Xo reacted made it sound like Jane was overreacting and being paranoid. It's not like Jane said, "I suspect the mailman has been slowly poisoning us." She's worried that a criminal mastermind could hurt her family AGAIN.

Awwww, poor Luisa. All this time she was trying to make things right and Rafael just kept giving her the cold shoulder. I hope she's happy wherever she is now and that Rose never finds her.

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I want to see this show through to the end, but these last few episodes have been lackluster. Magda showing up again was tiresome and I am glad Alba sent her packing. 

Speaking of Alba, her telling Jane she didn't think the book would get published was a yikes for me as to what that meant in regards to believing in Jane.  I am surprised that was glossed over.  Also, still do not care about Jorge. He is just there for me and everytime he interacts with the Villanuevas I do not feel a connection. Jane said he is good for Alba and I still did not care.

Rose escaping was too much even for a telenovela. Only good thing is bye bye Mr. Accomplice and now I no longer have to hear Girl! as that was starting to grate my nerves.

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I'm calling bullshit on what River told Rogelio. That's not even realistic. If anything it would push the project back because they would have to recast her. The project would die without Rogelio because it's his passion project. It's been for years. Remember he asked her to come back to the project after the pilot was retooled. The network passed on the first version. It was dead until the retooled "This Is Mars" version was picked up by the network. The new version he pitched to them. He could have suggested another actress before going to her. The network could have even gone with a different female lead since this a totally different version.  She could never recast Rogelio since it's his passion project that he fought to get made. Also, No one's contract says you can move production wherever you want. What? This why actors leave a series or the series comes to an end after many seasons because the lead is tired of being so far away from family and friends. It took David Duchovny six seasons to convince TPTB to move TXF to LA because he wanted to be closer to his wife. Only TPTB (Creators, Producers, the Network) get to decide if production should be moved. So many different factors play a role in a series being relocated. Actors even leave when a series is moved to somewhere they do not want to live for most of the year depending on if it's cable or network television because the episode count and shooting schedule various.  I know television needs some lame excuse to move two characters out of state in the series finale. Or tease two characters possibly moving out of state in the series finale. You know it's a well-known trope.   But use something that makes sense. Say the network wants to move the series for whatever reason. 1. It would be cheaper. I doubt it the end for Luisa and Rafael. The classic telenovela ending is them reuniting and Luisa attending the wedding. I have a feeling Michael will come back next week to help with Rose. 

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19 minutes ago, Simba122504 said:

I'm calling bullshit on what River told Rogelio. That's not even realistic.

I was super confused how this moving to New York thing even works with Rogelio wanting to be with his family and raising Baby.

I'm also assuming Petra will move to Texas with JR to establish a new hotel there, and leave the Miami Marbella to Raf. But they're setting it up way too fast. Would Raf even be okay with not seeing his kids all the time?

Also, all that talk about unusual families and everything, and it seems like in the end they all will go on their separate ways.

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2 hours ago, CooperTV said:

I was super confused how this moving to New York thing even works with Rogelio wanting to be with his family and raising Baby.

I'm also assuming Petra will move to Texas with JR to establish a new hotel there, and leave the Miami Marbella to Raf. But they're setting it up way too fast. Would Raf even be okay with not seeing his kids all the time?

Also, all that talk about unusual families and everything, and it seems like in the end they all will go on their separate ways.

I didn't even think about all that. I don't think Petra is moving. No, he would not be okay with that. Yeah, It's still in the South but it's not next door. It's a 17 hour drive in a car. And you cannot keep sending them back and forth. They would have to live with one most of the year and spend summers and some holidays with the other parent. There's no other way around it. That's another custody discussion. Because now that shit has to be worked out. Remember Rafael was upset when Jane was going to move far in S2? Yes, to Baby too. She too would have to be put in the situation as the twins. Rogelio will miss so much with her and he already went through that with Jane. He will miss a lot with Mateo too. That's why he wanted another child so bad. He didn't raise Jane. Xo worked hard to get into nursing school in Florida. Even if she agrees to the move. She has to start over in NYC. Or she would have to kill her dream and be a stay at home wife which she just came out of. Yeah, he would have the funds to go whatever he wants but he still will miss stuff. You cannot be two places at once. 

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I had a feeling Luisa was working with the police. I'm glad I was right... About time Luisa stands on her own two feet, without Rose. I do hope we get to see her and Raf really reunite.

The whole plot with Rose... YAWN. Although I will admit I felt the anxiety when Jane started getting it in her head that Mateo may not be hers. 

"I'm an american now, bitch!" - Alba, I hated (although I understood why) the way you treated Jane withe the whole thing about the novel. But you totally redeemed yourself when you confronted Magda.

Was I the only one who half expected Michael to be behind the  Luisa mask? Or half expecting Alba to push Magda down the stairs? LOL

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11 hours ago, Bouffe said:

Or half expecting Alba to push Magda down the stairs? LOL

It seems like they've retconned Alba quite a bit, but I figured they had to draw the line somewhere.

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I hope this really is the end of Magda, between her and Rose this show keeps this shows villains WAY beyond their narrative expiration date. Oh yeah, the best and brightest guarding this master criminal right there. If I was Jane, my response to this would be something along the lines of "Are you fucking kidding me?! Which of you two dollar a day rent a cops fell for one of this psychos obvious traps?! Paul flipping Blart is judging all of you right now!"

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I spent most of the episode wondering what was the point of the Mateo shit, until I realized that the point was to get Jane to "confront" Rose to be able to move on with her life.

Alba has been so thoroughly unlikeable this season, yikes.

Every time that Rafael is an asshole to Luisa while she begs him, I just want her to go back to Rose. It's not that Rafael is being unreasonable per se (though I think other times he has been more harsh than needed), but I think the show never established this relationship properly. From day one they've been fighting because they have history, so there's no lost brother-sister relationship that I want to see rekindled (because we never saw it to begin with, at least not that I remember), so it all gets reduced to Luisa begging him while he throws her out coldly. I don't get why she would even want him back in her life so bad, or why she would even trust him to be there for her. At least Rose wants her, in her own twisted way.

I figured all along that Luisa was working with the police, but seeing the whole thing unfold... man that was all so dumb. If they knew everything, and they knew she was going to escape, why didn't they just... stop her from escaping. Just destroy the plan before it went into action. It would've been different if Rose had been loose and they needed to catch her, but they had her right there. The whole point was clearly to have her on the loose and pissed at Luisa, but come on. The plan with the multiple Roses wasn't all that, either. I wonder if we'll see Michael soon because of her escape.

It does seem like they're setting things up to have a bunch of people moving away, which I hope they don't. I get how it's all supposed to lead to hard decisions for the characters, but I hope they don't (move away, I mean). Not only is it a cliché, but one I usually dislike in series endings.

Anyway, not feeling much excitement about the ending.

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2 hours ago, natyxg said:

Anyway, not feeling much excitement about the ending.

Yup.

I was rewatching Season 4 (I think it was) when Rafael got kicked out of the Marbella because Luisa realized he wasn't a biological child of her father's and she was in league with Petra's sister Anezka for trying to take over the hotel.  She was pretty mean to him then. 

I had forgotten all of that. 

Also not looking forward to the end.  I don't think there will be any big surprises coming our way.  

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Didn't he do something to her first? I remember the moment when she found out and her heart turned black, and then she conspired against him with the twin. IIRC it wasn't because he wasn't her biological brother. It could've been that he lied about having cancer again to get her out of hiding and something happened with Rose as a consequence? Something like that?

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45 minutes ago, natyxg said:

Didn't he do something to her first? I remember the moment when she found out and her heart turned black, and then she conspired against him with the twin. IIRC it wasn't because he wasn't her biological brother. It could've been that he lied about having cancer again to get her out of hiding and something happened with Rose as a consequence? Something like that?

Possibly.  He's been mean to her and to Petra off and on for most of the run of the series.

Of course, Petra usually gives it back to him, but over the course of the series, she was motivated for awhile by feelings of love (lust/jealousy/whatever) for Rafael, and sometimes he would manipulate that. Sometimes he would feel love for her. 

I remember that Petra shredded the addendum to the will about "biological" heirs, but Scott and Anezka taped it back together to blackmail them with. Once Louisa had that, Rafael no longer had access to his shares of the Marbella and she moved him out. He moved in with Alba and Jane then.  

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11 hours ago, natyxg said:

Didn't he do something to her first? I remember the moment when she found out and her heart turned black, and then she conspired against him with the twin. IIRC it wasn't because he wasn't her biological brother. It could've been that he lied about having cancer again to get her out of hiding and something happened with Rose as a consequence? Something like that?

It was because he will never as long as he’s breathing accept Rose’s evil ass. He lied about the cancer because it was the only way for the police to capture Rose. 

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On 7/23/2019 at 10:19 AM, natyxg said:

they knew she was going to escape, why didn't they just... stop her from escaping.

Very good point. If they knew of the plan, then why did they put her in an ambulance at all? Arrange to have medical onsite so that it wasn't necessary to transport her. Then she has to figure out some new plan to get outside the prison.

I also wondered why Luisa went to say goodbye to Rafael. Was it just to make Rose's accomplice guy confident that Luisa was on their side? Because otherwise, having worked with the police, she knew that she wasn't actually leaving town. Rafael certainly didn't know she planned to leave town. And if Luisa were actually working with Rose and accomplice-dude, then wouldn't she be very quiet about her imminent trip? Why tip-off Raf? Just makes no sense. And since Raf has rebuffed her several times already, was unnecessary to see yet again.

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