Little House On The Prairie - General Discussion

[Egg McMuffin]

2 hours ago, icemiser69 said:

I was not happy when Half Pint traded her horse to Nels for a stove to give to her mom for Christmas.   That pony deserved a better fate than becoming the property of Nellie Oleson.

Well, the horse died a few episodes later, so I guess we can debate whether or not that was a worse fate than becoming the property of Nellie. I can’t remember if that happened in the episode with Pa’s depressed, recently-widowed father, or the one with Ma’s depressed, recently-widowed father.

[Zella]

4 minutes ago, Kyle said:

Pa’s depressed, recently-widowed father,

It was Pa's dad! 

[debraran]

3 hours ago, icemiser69 said:

I was not happy when Half Pint traded her horse to Nels for a stove to give to her mom for Christmas.   That pony deserved a better fate than becoming the property of Nellie Oleson.

I am surprised that Nels didn't check with Charles first, to make sure that it was okay for Half Pint to give up her pony.   Yes, it would have ruined the story, but Nels comes off as a complete jerk by not checking with Charles first.  He took advantage of Half Pint.

I agree. Despite what Charles said who lets a five-year-old even in the 1800s make a decision about such an expensive gift? Not only could it be a silly thing but horses weren’t like dogs and she didn’t have the maturity to really understand. It made a cute story though.  I could never give a horse to a mean girl on a lame promise though just because I  couldn’t think of a gift. Laura almost did it again with the puppy when she was angry at her father about the Sanderson kids

Edited July 22, 2021 by debraran

[Katy M]

1 hour ago, debraran said:

I agree. Despite what Charles said who lets a five-year-old even in the 1800s make a decision about such an expensive gift? Not only could it be a silly thing but horses weren’t like dogs and she didn’t have the maturity to really understand. It made a cute story though.  I could never give a horse to a mean girl on a lame promise though just because I  couldn’t think of a gift. Laura almost did it again with the puppy when she was angry at her father about the Sanderson kids

I hope she wasn't 5 because she got married less than 6 years later.

[BigBingerBro]

She was around 10  (IRL)

Edited July 23, 2021 by BigBingerBro

[debraran]

7 hours ago, BigBingerBro said:

She was around 10  (IRL)

Yes probably around 7 on show, Michael liked to keep her younger as long as possible. Poor Carrie was always about 5

Edited July 23, 2021 by debraran

[jason88cubs]

On 7/22/2021 at 10:42 AM, Kyle said:

Maybe Hester Sue was in the “ROOMS” above the post office, where Miss Beadle used to live.

miss beadle actually had her own place

[Blergh]

23 hours ago, debraran said:

I agree. Despite what Charles said who lets a five-year-old even in the 1800s make a decision about such an expensive gift? Not only could it be a silly thing but horses weren’t like dogs and she didn’t have the maturity to really understand. It made a cute story though.  I could never give a horse to a mean girl on a lame promise though just because I  couldn’t think of a gift. Laura almost did it again with the puppy when she was angry at her father about the Sanderson kids

Not to mention, despite the fact that Charles had given Laura Bunny as a present, since Laura was a minor child living under his roof (and he was the family property owner), I don't think Laura could have truly been legally entitled to give or trade the horse to another person (not even Nellie) without Charles's express permission. Hence, I think Nels at the very least should have insisted to Laura that he'd have to clear any possible trade with Charles before he could  to allow it (and Charles could have [and, in fact, SHOULD have ] vetoed it especially since he knew that Laura loved Bunny AND even he couldn't deny that Nellie had shown she was a mean child who wouldn't have been above being mean to animals. Even as late as them delivering the stove, Charles should have piped up that the horse was NOT Laura's to give away and that he himself would pay for the stove in installments as he had originally intended.  Let's not forget that Bunny wasn't just Laura's pet/friend but also a possible replacement for either Pet or Pam if one or both of the Ingalls' horses ever became lame or died. 

[Rose Quartz]

On 7/22/2021 at 6:18 PM, icemiser69 said:

After living with Nellie for awhile, I wouldn't have been shocked if the pony did himself in and went hooves up. 

All kidding aside, I haven't seen that episode yet, so I didn't know what happened to the horse until you mentioned it.  That said, that is good to know,   I don't like watching depressing animal stories.  

There's a cute two parter where Laura gets Bunny back from Nellie and then they compete against each other in a big race, so keep an eye out for those episodes.  I was horse crazy as a kid and really liked that storyline so I was very upset when they killed off Bunny a few episodes later.  😒

[Snow Apple]

Towards the end of Sweet Sixteen, Almanzo was talking to Eliza Jane about Laura. Eliza asked "What did she do" in a curious way, but when he said Laura didn't do anything, Eliza asked "What did *you* do?!" and her tone was like "you're my brother but I will kill you."

 Eliza Jane was such an awesome character.

Edited July 24, 2021 by Snow Apple

[Egg McMuffin]

On 7/23/2021 at 10:49 PM, Rose Quartz said:

There's a cute two parter where Laura gets Bunny back from Nellie and then they compete against each other in a big race, so keep an eye out for those episodes.  I was horse crazy as a kid and really liked that storyline so I was very upset when they killed off Bunny a few episodes later.  😒

Bunny was very difficult on set. Wanted organic carrots and raw sugar and things like that.

[Egg McMuffin]

On 7/23/2021 at 2:09 PM, jason88cubs said:

miss beadle actually had her own place

I was watching The Troublemaker (the one with the dreaded Mr. Applewood) and when Charles knocks on her door, he comes right into a room with her bed in it. So in that episode, at least, she seems to have a rented room rather than a whole house.

Edited July 25, 2021 by Kyle

[Brn2bwild]

I've been watching batches of episodes on Peacock, including the first half of Season 5.  I think they ended the Winoka storyline too soon.  I wanted to see more of Mrs. Oleson as a barmaid and the Olesons in general dealing with no longer being the richest family in town.  

[Egg McMuffin]

Totally agreed. I always wondered why they wrapped it up so quickly. They had the two part episode where they moved to Winoka, followed by two regular hour long episodes in Winoka. And then a two parter where they decide to go home. But the second part of that one is 90 min, so both parts didn’t usually air as part of the daily syndication package. When we were watching it reruns, they were suddenly back in WG with no explanation at all.

I think they could have gotten a whole season out of Winoka stories. And it would have made the return to WG so much more impactful.

[Brn2bwild]

13 minutes ago, Kyle said:

Totally agreed. I always wondered why they wrapped it up so quickly. They had the two part episode where they moved to Winoka, followed by two regular hour long episodes in Winoka. And then a two parter where they decide to go home. But the second part of that one is 90 min, so both parts didn’t usually air as part of the daily syndication package. When we were watching it reruns, they were suddenly back in WG with no explanation at all.

I think they could have gotten a whole season out of Winoka stories. And it would have made the return to WG so much more impactful.

That would have been interesting.  Especially if they came back and found that the town was running fine because new people had moved in, including the Wilders.

[Zella]

14 minutes ago, Brn2bwild said:

 Especially if they came back and found that the town was running fine because new people had moved in, including the Wilders.

"Charles, we discovered that the town actually runs better when your bare chest and breakable ribs aren't here. You need to leave again to ensure things keep running smoothly. Sorry. Not sorry."

[Brn2bwild]

1 minute ago, Zella said:

"Charles, we discovered that the town actually runs better when your bare chest and breakable ribs aren't here. You need to leave again to ensure things keep running smoothly. Sorry. Not sorry."

LOL!  That could have been a really good storyline.  The Ingalls family returns and finds they've been "replaced" as the go-to family, so to speak.  The Wilders are the new stars of the town, and Charles has to get used to not being Saint Charles the All Knowing, and find his place among the new set.  Meanwhile Laura has to adjust to Albert (ugh, yes he'd still be there) as well as slowly develop affection for her father's "rival," Almanzo Wilder.

[Egg McMuffin]

1 hour ago, Brn2bwild said:

That would have been interesting.  Especially if they came back and found that the town was running fine because new people had moved in, including the Wilders.

Or maybe the town is populated with faded carbon copies of those who left. Like John and Sarah Carter, with their daughters Cassandra and Jenny. And the new store owners have an even more evil daughter, Nancy!

[Zella]

3 minutes ago, Kyle said:

Or maybe the town is populated with faded carbon copies of those who left. Like John and Sarah Carter, with their daughters Cassandra and Jenny. And the new store owners have an even more evil daughter, Nancy!

Honestly that would make more sense than some of the later episodes. 

[Mr. Sparkle]

And there's an orangutan for some reason. And said orangutan is SMART ENOUGH TO GET A CHILD OUT OF A BURNING HOUSE!!! 

[CheshireCat]

On 7/21/2021 at 12:03 PM, Superclam said:

So help me, "May We Make Them Proud" is starting now. I don't know if I have the strength!

I've only watched it once, as a pre-teen or young teenager and I've never forgotten that scene of Alice Garvey standing at the window with the baby in her arms. Granted, I had a scare with fire as a toddler (my hair caught on fire due to a candle) and have always had a very healthy respect of fire. Still, I find the inclusion of that scene unnecessarily cruel and horrific.

[debraran]

4 hours ago, CheshireCat said:

I've only watched it once, as a pre-teen or young teenager and I've never forgotten that scene of Alice Garvey standing at the window with the baby in her arms. Granted, I had a scare with fire as a toddler (my hair caught on fire due to a candle) and have always had a very healthy respect of fire. Still, I find the inclusion of that scene unnecessarily cruel and horrific.

Probably not a "jump the shark" moment, I'm sure other things were worse, but I remember the show going off and my mom's landline phone ringing and relatives saying "Did you see that??" He got that immediate reaction for ratings and tuning in next week, but the hating it was there too. The only thing that was better was you saw it once, you saw it again in rerun maybe but you couldn't stream it, I don't think they even had VCR's then. You missed the goofs which can be fun but you also didn't torture yourself with return visits.

The writing was just off, the directing. It was horrific because they already showed enough fire suicides or attempted (Charles dad) but how they had Mary lose another child because she was blind was pathetic. Just have her infertile, would be more believable. Then Caroline thinks it's odd she doesn't want to go to her child's funeral, maybe never saw catatonic before, and that lullaby! Having Albert carry the weight of his actions and then immediate forgiveness was nice but still odd since 2 deaths had people reeling. I understand fully why MSA said "enough!" She was never going to be happy. I would have loved a spinoff with her and Adam and Nellie and Percival in NYC. ;)

I know I haven't smoked since I was 16 but always had a healthy fear of candles. This show made it worse even though we had smoke detectors now.

[jason88cubs]

14 hours ago, Brn2bwild said:

LOL!  That could have been a really good storyline.  The Ingalls family returns and finds they've been "replaced" as the go-to family, so to speak.  The Wilders are the new stars of the town, and Charles has to get used to not being Saint Charles the All Knowing, and find his place among the new set.  Meanwhile Laura has to adjust to Albert (ugh, yes he'd still be there) as well as slowly develop affection for her father's "rival," Almanzo Wilder.

Then we have a episode of Charles trying to set the Wilders up as thiefs so he can be the hero again

[jason88cubs]

I do like how in BARN BURNER when the judge asks for the Reverend  to recommend a fair and honest juror forman , Charles gets picked right away and Charles has a shocked look but you know inside he was all "Heck yea!!! Let's go baby!! I have the power to pick jurors! What now Harriet! Oh I can't wait to tell Caroline. Heee Haww!"

[Pirpana]

Going back briefly to the Winoka stint, I'm with you 100% they could have taken advantage of  bigger town setting so much more. Come to think of it, they didn't at all. Like Kyle said, they had a two-parter for getting there and one episode and about a fifth of sixth one for leaving. Those two regulars in-between could easily have taken place in Walnut Grove. Especially the one with fatty daddy.

[Egg McMuffin]

That episode pisses me off to no end. I would have locked the two little monsters in the icehouse for a few hours to cool them off.

But it’s a another silly episode where Royal and his wife go on some rafting trip on vacation. I really doubt people from the city were faux roughing it that way. Real life was rough enough. If you were lucky enough to get a vacation and could afford to go somewhere, you weren’t river rafting.

[Egg McMuffin]

Speaking of Nellie, I wish we had had a chance to see her as a parent. She knew all the angles from her experience as a kid and she didn’t put up with much crap. I’m sure she raised them better than she was raised.

[CountryGirl]

1 hour ago, Kyle said:

That episode pisses me off to no end. I would have locked the two little monsters in the icehouse for a few hours to cool them off.

But it’s a another silly episode where Royal and his wife go on some rafting trip on vacation. I really doubt people from the city were faux roughing it that way. Real life was rough enough. If you were lucky enough to get a vacation and could afford to go somewhere, you weren’t river rafting.

I always thought the river rafting was ridiculous, too.

I'd be at home, enjoying the peace and quiet, not on a super-uncomfortable-looking raft.

1 hour ago, Kyle said:

Speaking of Nellie, I wish we had had a chance to see her as a parent. She knew all the angles from her experience as a kid and she didn’t put up with much crap. I’m sure she raised them better than she was raised.

Nellie, Percival, and the twins in NYC was the spin-off we should have gotten instead of S9 or Father Murphy. 

[Egg McMuffin]

1 hour ago, CountryGirl said:

Nellie, Percival, and the twins in NYC was the spin-off we should have gotten instead of S9 or Father Murphy. 

Amen. But knowing Michael Landon’s style, he would have shoved Mary and Adam into that spinoff to up the tragedy quotient.

[Zella]

Or he would have burned down Nellie and Percival's house and killed both twins in the fire. Just because. 

[debraran]

29 minutes ago, Zella said:

Or he would have burned down Nellie and Percival's house and killed both twins in the fire. Just because. 

The ratings dipped that week would be real.

The funny scripts they could have had, it might have made Alison and MSA more friendly too but both professional.

When Michael had his dad try to burn himself (did he know the pain involved?) to be with his mom, I was like, just when did he go crazy? The guy in gold country was distraught but his dad had children and grandchildren. Then he had the crazy guy with the daughter who had a baby burn his home too. He loved fire.....no you don't want Michael near ANY of the scripts for a sequel.

[jason88cubs]

just a little fan fiction i wrote once

 

Title"you must keep believing"

Scene 1
The episode starts as Charles rides into Walnut Grove to stop by and ask Doc Baker to dinner. The Doc says hes about to perform major surgery, he secretly tells Charles hes nervous and this would be safer with a major doctor but THERES NO TIME!!

Charles looks at the doc and says "Let me be responsible" The doc says "Charles you have no training!" Charles says "Doc all i need is confidence. That i have"

Charles takes off his shirt and sanitizes his chest and performs the surgery

He botches it and the patient dies.

Charles goes out in the waiting room and gets choked up and says " I I uh I lost her!!" and breaks down crying. The doc stands up and says to no one in particular "How could I let this happen!?" Caroline, who appeared goes up to Charles and says" You must keep believing Charles!!"

Charles gets up looks at the doc and says "We would still like you to come' over for some chicken and dumpling and some of Caroline's famous apple fritters tonight . See Ya around 6!"

Scene 2

The next morning at Hansens Mill, Hansen is stressed because they are behind on a major order
Charles comes up to Hansen and say s"i think we can get this done, why dont we just increase the speed!"

Hansen says "Nahhh that will not work! Machine will break! No we will just have to work longer day!"

Charles gets frustrated and says "oh Come on Hansen I have plenty of experience with stuff like this. I can get it working just right. Just think, companies from all over the state of Minnesota will be coming to us. "Quickest mill in the state" will be our slogan Yea!"
Hansen says "Yea wellllllll, hmmm you say you can do this?"
Charles says "just watch"

Charles takes his shirt off and gets to working on it
Charles increases the speed and at first it works great, Hansen is smiling but then the machine starts smoking and breaks

Hansen" Oh no no no!"

Charles gets a frown and starts crying, "I thought I had it, The dream almost happened!"

caroling who was at Olseons Merch walks up to Charles and said "YOU must keep believing Charles!"

Charles wipes his tears, looks at a stunned Hansen and said "Well looks like we wont eb working late, se ya tomorrow!"

Scene 3

The next day at Olseons Mercantile, Nels is handling some very expensive plates

Charles walks in all sweaty and dirty, smelling awful and Nels is cheerful as can be

Charles says "Well Nels looks like you have your hands full"

Nels says "Yea trying to get all this put away. Theres a lot though, been at it for 3 hours!"

Charles whistles and says "tell ya what, let me help and I'll pay my bill right now!"

Nels laughs and says "Id like to but each of these is $15.00!"

Charles looks at Nels and says "Ive held babies, Ive delivered babies, i think I can handle $15.00 plates"

Nels says "You are right, Im sorry for offending you"

Charles takes his shirt off which makes Nels ask "why"

Charles" Nels, My chest will intimidate these plates in to not falling"

everything goes great for 5 minutes until Charles breaks 10 plates

Nels screams "Thats 150 dollars!!!"

Charles falls crying holding the broken plates to his chest, Caroline walks in to sell the eggs and says "Charles You must keep believing!!!:

Charles says your right honey, ;looks at Olsen and says " Just charge that to our account Nels!"

Scene 4-Final Scene

At church the rev is giving a sermon, then stops , gets a serious look and says

"I have had reports of a certain member of this community who keeps causing trouble"

(charles looks around, little smirk, nods at a farmer and whispers to Caroline "Its Chris the handyman)

The reverend look at Charles and say "THIS PERSOn is a egotistical , rude, selfish person, and I am ashamed that I welcomed this person into my life


Charles is holding back laughter "WOW HES REALLY GIVING IT TO HIM!"

The rev comes down and stands in front of Charles and says "Frankly Walnut Grove was better without you"

Charles gets a shocked look

The whole town stands up and says "Charles we dont want you hear"

Charles starts crying, takes off his shirt and says "We dont want to leave"

Caroline says "WE arent leaving charles its you , you see im now dating Chris the handyman,

Chris comes up and kisses her . the daughters start saying "daddy Chris!

Charles is grabbed by Edwards and Garvey and thrown out of town. Charleis crying and caroline gives him one look and says "Stop believing Charles"

The episode ends with Charles going to a new town and walking up to someone who needs help and says "Here let me help you with that"

[Egg McMuffin]

2 hours ago, CountryGirl said:

Nellie, Percival, and the twins in NYC was the spin-off we should have gotten instead of S9 or Father Murphy. 

Imagine how much more fun Father Murphy would have been if Katherine Cannon played Mrs. Murphy more like her later character, Felice Martin on 90210.

[Blergh]

On 7/25/2021 at 1:56 PM, Kyle said:

I was watching The Troublemaker (the one with the dreaded Mr. Applewood) and when Charles knocks on her door, he comes right into a room with her bed in it. So in that episode, at least, she seems to have a rented room rather than a whole house.

Interesting, but it seemed Miss Beadle had a small cottage with a yard- including a swing on a tree branch by the time of 'Here Come the Brides' (when she is courted and quickly married to Adam Sims).  Although where her carriage horse Jack was supposed to be sheltered (and who tended to him when he wasn't pulling Miss Beadle's carriage) went unaddressed. 

As for 'The Troublemaker', the thing I loathed was when Willie destroyed Mr. Applewood's bag and Mr. Applewood was ready to wallop her and even THAT wasn't enough to keep Laura from freezing. This trait of Laura freezing in times of intimidation and danger seemed to have been a purely TV invention inasmuch as both in the books as well as from all surviving accounts of those who knew Mrs. Wilder said that from her earliest childhood to old age onward, (other than her deference to Ma, Pa and Mary)  she NEVER backed down or let others intimidate her but did all she could to intimidate others.

[Egg McMuffin]

Interesting - I didn’t know that about the real LIW. Frankly, the episode would have been much more entertaining if Laura had stood up to that bastard instead of the stereotypical cowering in fear. But then we would have been denied the cathartic scene of Pa saving the day!

Edited July 26, 2021 by Kyle

[CountryGirl]

There is no way that "I'll rock that seat, Miss Wilder" real life Laura Ingalls would have taken the blame for Willie or Herman. No way in hell.

[Mr. Sparkle]

Is Willie even in the books? I don't remember. I know Eliza Jane was quite different in book form! 

[debraran]

 

1 hour ago, Superclam said:

Is Willie even in the books? I don't remember. I know Eliza Jane was quite different in book form! 

This is interesting and pics too!

https://laurasprairiehouse.com/faq/what-happened-to-the-real-life-willie-oleson/

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/AZ9KJmZy_MGIV09xZ6g9QLDfjwy8v6QZqRu51O0uYTMZsZCaK7ZWfJ8/

Edited July 27, 2021 by debraran

[Snow Apple]

1 hour ago, Superclam said:

Is Willie even in the books? I don't remember. I know Eliza Jane was quite different in book form! 

I remember he was in Little Town in the Prairie, but didn't have a big part like in the show. 

[alexa]

2 hours ago, debraran said:

 

This is interesting and pics too!

https://laurasprairiehouse.com/faq/what-happened-to-the-real-life-willie-oleson/

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/AZ9KJmZy_MGIV09xZ6g9QLDfjwy8v6QZqRu51O0uYTMZsZCaK7ZWfJ8/

I am glad you posted this.  I have read almost everything you can on LIW, and it would have taken me a few minutes to find the answer since I haven’t read it for a while.  

[Mr. Sparkle]

3 hours ago, debraran said:

 

This is interesting and pics too!

https://laurasprairiehouse.com/faq/what-happened-to-the-real-life-willie-oleson/

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/AZ9KJmZy_MGIV09xZ6g9QLDfjwy8v6QZqRu51O0uYTMZsZCaK7ZWfJ8/

Thanks, and poor Willie! 😥

[Brn2bwild]

I steeled myself to watch "Sylvia" for the first time in a long time.  I know we joke how dark that one is, but... yikes.  Some thoughts that crossed my mind:

1. Sylvia looks so young.  I was thinking that she was 12 at most, but she was 15.  That said, interesting that she was only 9 months younger than Melissa Gilbert.

2. I get that the underlying message was the tragedy of not believing women, but wasn't there someone other than Albert she could have told?  There was a mime rapist running around the prairie.  Who's to say she was the only victim?

3. Even if I weren't spoiled, I would have known that the not-at-all creepy, never-before-seen black smith was the culprit from the way the camera would linger on him for a long period of time.

4. How could Sylvia not hear the evil mime as he walked across those boards?

5. With the last view of the mime approaching Sylvia, they took a page from Michael Myers in Halloween.  Gave me chills.

That poor girl.  I wanted to give her a big hug, and now she's frickin' dead.  Thanks LHOTP!

[Zella]

2 minutes ago, Brn2bwild said:

I steeled myself to watch "Sylvia" for the first time in a long time.  I know we joke how dark that one is, but... yikes.  Some thoughts that crossed my mind:

1. Sylvia looks so young.  I was thinking that she was 12 at most, but she was 15.  That said, interesting that she was only 9 months younger than Melissa Gilbert.

2. I get that the underlying message was the tragedy of not believing women, but wasn't there someone other than Albert she could have told?  There was a mime rapist running around the prairie.  Who's to say she was the only victim?

3. Even if I weren't spoiled, I would have known that the not-at-all creepy, never-before-seen black smith was the culprit from the way the camera would linger on him for a long period of time.

4. How could Sylvia not hear the evil mime as he walked across those boards?

5. With the last view of the mime approaching Sylvia, they took a page from Michael Myers in Halloween.  Gave me chills.

That poor girl.  I wanted to give her a big hug, and now she's frickin' dead.  Thanks LHOTP!

When I watched the show for the first time several months ago, I went into it being warned about the content of "Sylvia," and I was still not adequately prepared for how unsettling it is. It's been months, and I'm still messed up from watching it. And I watch a lot of pretty dark stuff that doesn't bother me! 

[debraran]

3 hours ago, Zella said:

When I watched the show for the first time several months ago, I went into it being warned about the content of "Sylvia," and I was still not adequately prepared for how unsettling it is. It's been months, and I'm still messed up from watching it. And I watch a lot of pretty dark stuff that doesn't bother me! 

I think it haunts because it wasn't supposed to be on LHOP. It was a family show and I think much younger viewers watched it. . Even the Walton's from what I remember, in The Violated episdoes, they didn't show it and she was a soldiers wife. It was done to show how with police etc it is very hard to prove and how women were at a disadvantage in court. It was done in a much better way and the ending, although not "Hallmark" gave you a little satisfaction. You don't need a Halloween mime and death and another horrible dad.

8 hours ago, Superclam said:

Thanks, and poor Willie! 😥

I was thinking that too, but in thinking of my sequel with Nellie and Mary and hubbies, wouldn't it fit too, to have Willie there and his family and that happens in the city. Mary could help him and knowing it really happened, would have been even better. Oh that great sequel wont happen but more interesting.

 

[Blergh]

7 hours ago, Brn2bwild said:

I steeled myself to watch "Sylvia" for the first time in a long time.  I know we joke how dark that one is, but... yikes.  Some thoughts that crossed my mind:

1. Sylvia looks so young.  I was thinking that she was 12 at most, but she was 15.  That said, interesting that she was only 9 months younger than Melissa Gilbert.

2. I get that the underlying message was the tragedy of not believing women, but wasn't there someone other than Albert she could have told?  There was a mime rapist running around the prairie.  Who's to say she was the only victim?

3. Even if I weren't spoiled, I would have known that the not-at-all creepy, never-before-seen black smith was the culprit from the way the camera would linger on him for a long period of time.

4. How could Sylvia not hear the evil mime as he walked across those boards?

5. With the last view of the mime approaching Sylvia, they took a page from Michael Myers in Halloween.  Gave me chills.

That poor girl.  I wanted to give her a big hug, and now she's frickin' dead.  Thanks LHOTP!

I wondered why Sylvia didn't consider telling Doc Baker, Reverend Alden or Mr. Oleson. Did she truly think none of them would have believed her much less tried to help her?  You're quite right that it IS sad- and of course the fact that she was blamed by Mrs. Oleson and ALL the men [including father-of-four girls Charles] at the School Board meeting  for HER  getting spied on while she was changing her clothes made the thing rather infuriating! 

[debraran]

10 minutes ago, Blergh said:

I wondered why Sylvia didn't consider telling Doc Baker, Reverend Alden or Mr. Oleson. Did she truly think none of them would have believed her much less tried to help her?  You're quite right that it IS sad- and of course the fact that she was blamed by Mrs. Oleson and ALL the men [including father-of-four girls Charles] at the School Board meeting  for HER  getting spied on while she was changing her clothes made the thing rather infuriating! 

Yes, the old "men and boys are complete idiots and can't control themselves" as an excuse to be improper. Even when women dressed in neck to toe clothes and burlap sacks, they were raped and ogled. Men have acted this way since the beginning of time but hopefully with more progressive teaching, it will keep ebbing.  If parents spent half their time teaching and educating their sons to be moral and good people and about consent and not blaming women for looking like women, they'd be less crimes. 

When boys tried to look into our bathroom window in the 70's years ago, my dad found a milk crate under it, he waited and when he heard something, ran out and gave them a talking too as they ran. The boys will be boys from a neighbor also grew his wrath and I was so proud that a dad out of that era of "blame the girl" never did. He said his dad was like that too. I found that show hard to watch on so many levels.

[CountryGirl]

8 hours ago, Brn2bwild said:

I steeled myself to watch "Sylvia" for the first time in a long time.  I know we joke how dark that one is, but... yikes.  Some thoughts that crossed my mind:

1. Sylvia looks so young.  I was thinking that she was 12 at most, but she was 15.  That said, interesting that she was only 9 months younger than Melissa Gilbert.

2. I get that the underlying message was the tragedy of not believing women, but wasn't there someone other than Albert she could have told?  There was a mime rapist running around the prairie.  Who's to say she was the only victim?

3. Even if I weren't spoiled, I would have known that the not-at-all creepy, never-before-seen black smith was the culprit from the way the camera would linger on him for a long period of time.

4. How could Sylvia not hear the evil mime as he walked across those boards?

5. With the last view of the mime approaching Sylvia, they took a page from Michael Myers in Halloween.  Gave me chills.

That poor girl.  I wanted to give her a big hug, and now she's frickin' dead.  Thanks LHOTP!

Is it wrong that I wanted Albert to die (saving his true wub), along with mime rapist, and Sylvia survive? And get away from her creep AF dad.

[Egg McMuffin]

I never liked that actress, no matter what she showed up in. “Kith me, my wub.”

[Snow Apple]

18 minutes ago, Kyle said:

I never liked that actress, no matter what she showed up in. “Kith me, my wub.”

Awww. I have a soft spot for her since she was in a movie called Child of Glass and I loved it as a kid.

Guess who else was in that movie? Katy Kurtzman who played young Caroline in "I Remember, I Remember."

[Egg McMuffin]

Katy Kurtzman also played Anna, the young girl with the stutter whom Nellie Oleson bullied.

Edited July 28, 2021 by Kyle