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1 hour ago, bunnyblue said:

I'm watching "The Wedding" (famous for little Susan's "I'm Here! I'm Here! I'm Here!") and I can't get over Mary's perfectly manicured fingernails. For an 1800's blind country girl she had a hell of a talent for being able to maintain such long pretty nails. 

I've always thought Nellie looks odd when she runs, and I finally figured out why. For some weird reason instead of letting her arms swing like a normal person, she grabs the skirt of her dress with both hands, which leaves her arms awkwardly stuck to her side. This has the unfortunate effect of making her upper body look stiff while her boobs bounce from side to side. Now that I noticed it, I can't not notice it every time Nellie runs.

It drives me crazy that the show couldn't keep straight Caroline's maiden name. In "I Remember, I Remember", young Caroline's family are the Holbrooks, in a later episode Charles recalls falling in love with Caroline Quiner, in "Author Author!" her father is Frederick Holbrook, and then in "Whatever Happened to the Class of '56" she's back to being Caroline Quiner. And this constant screw up was only in the span of 2 seasons! Continuity was a foreign concept for the show.

Melissa Sue mentioned that she got in a  bit of trouble for the French manicure. He caught that but not more obvious gaffes. Lol  others had nice nails too. 

i know there are a lot of goofs but didn’t Caroline’s dad pass and mom remarried? Maybe he was Holbrook?

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2 hours ago, debraran said:

i know there are a lot of goofs but didn’t Caroline’s dad pass and mom remarried? Maybe he was Holbrook?

Yes, that's what happened IRL.  Her father died when she was 5. She was around 7 or 8 at the time when her mother remarried.

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All the discussion about Caroline's stepfather makes me remember one of the worst moments in LHOTP history, which is saying something for this show.

Caroline's mother and stepfather are supposed to come for a visit.

Pa goes to the train station (IIRC, in Springfield) and learns his MIL died en route. Instead of sending a telegram or something...ANYTHING back to Walnut Grove while they wagon-train it home, he says NOTHING. 

Then, to make matters worse, when they get home, he doesn't immediately take his wife aside for a moment to share the horrible news. Nope, he just lets her charge around to the back of the wagon to pull back the flap and find a coffin where her mother should be.

Nice, Pa, real nice.

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56 minutes ago, CountryGirl said:

Then, to make matters worse, when they get home, he doesn't immediately take his wife aside for a moment to share the horrible news. Nope, he just lets her charge around to the back of the wagon to pull back the flap and find a coffin where her mother should be.

Yeah, if I remember, he's like "Caroline, wait!" from about 50 feet away. Makes no attempt to stop her. Made for a much more dramatic moment, of course. 

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1 hour ago, CountryGirl said:

All the discussion about Caroline's stepfather makes me remember one of the worst moments in LHOTP history, which is saying something for this show.

Caroline's mother and stepfather are supposed to come for a visit.

Pa goes to the train station (IIRC, in Springfield) and learns his MIL died en route. Instead of sending a telegram or something...ANYTHING back to Walnut Grove while they wagon-train it home, he says NOTHING. 

Then, to make matters worse, when they get home, he doesn't immediately take his wife aside for a moment to share the horrible news. Nope, he just lets her charge around to the back of the wagon to pull back the flap and find a coffin where her mother should be.

Nice, Pa, real nice.

I actually don't remember this epi.  I can definitely understand wanting to tell her in person.  It's not something you want to find out from a telegram.  OK, it's not something you want to find out in any fashion.  But, he definitely should have told her instead of letting her discover a coffin.

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1 hour ago, CountryGirl said:

Although I'm laughing now as I recall our TWOP nickname for this episode: "Ma's A Little Stiff from the Trip."

A lot of the episodes will always be in my head as the TWoP names. Just this morning I was trying to remember if "Albert Barfs Up Drugs" was a movie or part of the regular season.

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On 8/5/2020 at 7:41 AM, CountryGirl said:

All the discussion about Caroline's stepfather makes me remember one of the worst moments in LHOTP history, which is saying something for this show.

Caroline's mother and stepfather are supposed to come for a visit.

Pa goes to the train station (IIRC, in Springfield) and learns his MIL died en route. Instead of sending a telegram or something...ANYTHING back to Walnut Grove while they wagon-train it home, he says NOTHING. 

Then, to make matters worse, when they get home, he doesn't immediately take his wife aside for a moment to share the horrible news. Nope, he just lets her charge around to the back of the wagon to pull back the flap and find a coffin where her mother should be.

Nice, Pa, real nice.

not even charles said anythign just sat their

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The May We Bake Them Brown two-parter (S6, E18-19) was on again last night and I hate it even more every time I watch it.

I hate DripLip and his dumb-ass tertiary friend for snitching and smoking the pipe and leaving it in a box of essentially kindling.

I hate Hester Sue, clearly seeing smoke in the hallway by the cellar door, trotting up to the door and opening it wide and LEAVING it that way, fueling the fire with more oxygen and allowing it to spread much more quickly.

I hate Mary for not immediately grabbing her helpless infant son from his cradle the second she knew the house was on fire. I mean, he was RIGHT THERE!!!

I hate Adam for dragging her away so they could help the other kids. Yes, these children, especially blind ones, needed help but his defenseless baby should have been his first priority. 

I hate Alice for urging Mary down the stairs after all the kids were safely headed downstairs (except for the one who got stuck in the water closet). I hate Mary for letting her. Had Mary grabbed the baby in the first place, Alice wouldn't have had to go back in the room. Although I still question the staircase and downstairs being pretty much flame-free when the fire started in the cellar (we see this when Hester Sue runs back into the house right before the end) and yet the upstairs is an inferno. But the biggest point is that Mary could have grabbed the baby and still managed to help herd some kids downstairs to safety. These are not mutually-exclusive things. And I've said it so many times, no parent, blind or otherwise, would ever, EVER walk away from their child knowing a fire or some other calamity was in the house. 

I hate Alice for using Adam Jr as a baby battering ram to try to get out through the windows. But I guess it was a merciful killing as he likely died from the head trauma vs the smoke/fire.

I hate Pa for placing a charred Adam Jr in Mary's arms. 

I hate Adam and Caroline, et al, just expecting Mary to immediately accept and process that her baby is gone. Especially when both know the guilt Mary feels for not immediately grabbing him in the first place. And I'll hate Ma when just THREE episodes later (Sweet Sixteen, S6, E22), she's giggling like a loon about Laura and Almanzo finally getting together and how she's just dying to call Pa "Grandpa." And I hate Pa for guffawing back "Grandma!" Assholes, both of them.

I hate DripLip - period - but he took the cake with getting Mary a music box and then shrieking "I didn't mean it! I didn't mean it!" when it triggered her recalling the trauma. And I call BS on that being all it took for Mary to snap out of it. So hearing it out of a music box did the trick but humming (tone deafly) the tune non-stop didn't do anything to jar her memories? Really?

I hate Pa for going after an AWOL Albert and reuniting with him like he's some long lost prodigal son instead of one of the two despicable human beings responsible for burning down a blind school and killing his grandson and best friend's wife. And for dragging Jonathan, said BFF, with him. I mean, who does that? Jonathan being in shock and grief-stricken is the only explanation for him showing up to help and not immediately strangling Albert's neck. 

Feelings.

I have them. 

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I haven't watched the blind school burning down epi in years and just want to avoid it. As a child, that episode and the Walton's episode where their house burned down scared the crap out of me. I spent time thinking about how I would escape my bedroom in the fire that seemed to be a sure thing to happen--how would I get out the window and over the prickly holly bushes right outside my window. . . 

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1 hour ago, CountryGirl said:

I hate Alice for urging Mary down the stairs after all the kids were safely headed downstairs (except for the one who got stuck in the water closet). I hate Mary for letting her. Had Mary grabbed the baby in the first place, Alice wouldn't have had to go back in the room. Although I still question the staircase and downstairs being pretty much flame-free when the fire started in the cellar (we see this when Hester Sue runs back into the house right before the end) and yet the upstairs is an inferno. But the biggest point is that Mary could have grabbed the baby and still managed to help herd some kids downstairs to safety. These are not mutually-exclusive things. And I've said it so many times, no parent, blind or otherwise, would ever, EVER walk away from their child knowing a fire or some other calamity was in the house. 

And they could have had the exact same result by having Mary not home when it happened.  Or at least downstairs in a class with some children.

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And Adam could have just as easily picked up his child as he was RIGHT THERE, too. But not only does he NOT pick him up, he actually grabs Mary by the arm, pulling her AWAY from their own tiny baby, the child MOST in need, to help the other kids. 

SMH.

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8 minutes ago, CountryGirl said:

And Adam could have just as easily picked up his child as he was RIGHT THERE, too. But not only does he NOT pick him up, he actually grabs Mary by the arm, pulling her AWAY from their own tiny baby, the child MOST in need, to help the other kids. 

SMH.

YES. This plus everything you said in your other post, AND ALSO Alice was right there next to the crib and she also left the room WITHOUT THE BABY to go help James. If she'd taken the baby with her then, all three of them would have gotten out safely.

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So I'm thinking Mary was the one subconsciously lusting over Buck Rogers but felt so ashamed for feeling that way over a grown-up she transferred those urges onto Caroline having those naughty thoughts.

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On 8/5/2020 at 5:10 AM, debraran said:

Melissa Sue mentioned that she got in a  bit of trouble for the French manicure. He caught that but not more obvious gaffes. Lol  others had nice nails too. 

In her (terrible) book, she said that she really wanted Farrah Fawcett wings, so she "cleverly" hid the short layers with a barette so no one could tell. Oh, sweetie, we did. Then she later got a short 80's perm and they made her wear a wig. 

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I don't really blame her. The guys got to have anachronistic 70s hair while the girls had to be "authentic". Plus looking over at The Waltons who from episode 1 were like "screw it" because they probably didn't have the time to give that big cast authentic 1930s hair every week.

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I was watching the show with the infamous and seen once Dr Ledoux. I thought their first names seemed familiar and then I read this:

Fun Fact!
The first names of Dr. Ledoux and his wife are Caleb and Mattie. These are the exact same first names of the married couple that Johnny Cash and June Carter Cash play in the Season 3 opener, “The Collection.”

Two other trivia facts from that show were :

If you watch closely, at one point, you will notice that Doc Baker picks up his phone to speak, and yet the base is not wired to the wall. The only wire is between the base and the earpiece. And in this episode, before meeting Dr. and Mrs. Ledoux, Harriet Oleson ignorantly assumes that they are French. You’d think she would have learned her lesson in Season 5’s “Blind Journey” when she mistakes Hester-Sue Terhune.

That is true, they reused people, themes and biases. Harriet kept it real though.

 

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On 8/7/2020 at 8:36 AM, CountryGirl said:

KAnd I'll hate Ma when just THREE episodes later (Sweet Sixteen, S6, E22), she's giggling like a loon about Laura and Almanzo finally getting together and how she's just dying to call Pa "Grandpa." And I hate Pa for guffawing back "Grandma!" Assholes, both of them.

Also in a later episode when Laura was fretting over her newborn son and the rarity of boys in the family, she talked about her brother but not a peep about her nephew. 
I mean, yeah she was worried about health and not about accidents but still.....

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On 8/5/2020 at 3:47 AM, bunnyblue said:

I'm watching "The Wedding" (famous for little Susan's "I'm Here! I'm Here! I'm Here!") and I can't get over Mary's perfectly manicured fingernails. For an 1800's blind country girl she had a hell of a talent for being able to maintain such long pretty nails. 

I've always thought Nellie looks odd when she runs, and I finally figured out why. For some weird reason instead of letting her arms swing like a normal person, she grabs the skirt of her dress with both hands, which leaves her arms awkwardly stuck to her side. This has the unfortunate effect of making her upper body look stiff while her boobs bounce from side to side. Now that I noticed it, I can't not notice it every time Nellie runs.

It drives me crazy that the show couldn't keep straight Caroline's maiden name. In "I Remember, I Remember", young Caroline's family are the Holbrooks, in a later episode Charles recalls falling in love with Caroline Quiner, in "Author Author!" her father is Frederick Holbrook, and then in "Whatever Happened to the Class of '56" she's back to being Caroline Quiner. And this constant screw up was only in the span of 2 seasons! Continuity was a foreign concept for the show.

If I am remembering correctly Holbrook is the last name of her stepfather and Quiner is the last name of her father who got lost at sea.  In the olden days there were a lot more remarries.  Did women change their names as much back then after remarriages?

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3 hours ago, Snow Apple said:

Also in a later episode when Laura was fretting over her newborn son and the rarity of boys in the family, she talked about her brother but not a peep about her nephew. 
I mean, yeah she was worried about health and not about accidents but still.....

Perhaps she didn't even want to go there. 

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7 hours ago, kav said:

If I am remembering correctly Holbrook is the last name of her stepfather and Quiner is the last name of her father who got lost at sea.  In the olden days there were a lot more remarries.  

I guess through the rewatches over the years I missed that fact when it was discussed on the show. So, I take back my criticism of the show regarding that point. I do find it surprising that young Caroline Quiner did not take her stepfather's last name, like the Sanderson kids becoming the Edwards, Albert Quinn becoming Albert Ingalls, and other randoms that I know I'm forgetting. Although those examples were adoptions, so maybe Frederick Holbrook never legally adopted Caroline Quiner even though he raised her from a young age and she called him Pa.

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6 hours ago, bunnyblue said:

I guess through the rewatches over the years I missed that fact when it was discussed on the show. So, I take back my criticism of the show regarding that point. I do find it surprising that young Caroline Quiner did not take her stepfather's last name, like the Sanderson kids becoming the Edwards, Albert Quinn becoming Albert Ingalls, and other randoms that I know I'm forgetting. Although those examples were adoptions, so maybe Frederick Holbrook never legally adopted Caroline Quiner even though he raised her from a young age and she called him Pa.

I hope the Edwards kids didn't change their names again!  (whoever that "nice" man was)

There was a lot of adoption shows and Michael adopted one of his children from a prior marriage of Lynn's I think and with Dodie, her son mark who died, not sure what happened with Josh who he adopted with Dodie as an infant. It seems the later children were photographed or mentioned more, the earlier felt more left out but again, that might be the tabloids.

I didn't mind the heavy adoption scripts but hated the Cassandra/James plot line. I felt after saying he couldn't take The Sanderson's (although Grace was better choice) he later takes them. They didn't even think of taking the girl when the boys found a home to keep her close. I realize this was just plot based to get Mr Edward's married for a few scripts but the rationale later was dubious. We all know  Caroline couldn't have any more children but if she could, that house would have become way too small. As it was, Grace's cradle was never shown or bed since it interfered with Carries, so they just showed her snoozing in the highchair over and over. I hope that wasn't her bed  😉

 

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Speaking of continuity (on this show???), Pa made such a big deal about Laura not getting married until she was 18, but when John Jr. proposed to Mary, she was 14, and when it looked like they were going to get married right away (instead of John going to college), he seemed perfectly happy about that.

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15 minutes ago, jird said:

Speaking of continuity (on this show???), Pa made such a big deal about Laura not getting married until she was 18, but when John Jr. proposed to Mary, she was 14, and when it looked like they were going to get married right away (instead of John going to college), he seemed perfectly happy about that.

Well Laura was his favorite. 

"12 Times LHOTP made you cry":

 

 

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49 minutes ago, jird said:

Speaking of continuity (on this show???), Pa made such a big deal about Laura not getting married until she was 18, but when John Jr. proposed to Mary, she was 14, and when it looked like they were going to get married right away (instead of John going to college), he seemed perfectly happy about that.

Yes and Mary was allowed to marry at 16. But she was blind so that made it ok, I guess.

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31 minutes ago, SamShmam said:

Am I going to burn for finding Caroline's menopause episode hilarious?

I will buy a ticket on the Stagecoach to Hell and snag a seat next to you. 

Because I guffawed when Ma was blubbering on about being "some...some...NOTHING!!!"

And again, where was this when she thought she was going through THE CHANGE when she was really pregnant with Grace?

Finally, Doc La'Orange? MYOFB. 

Oh Lord...it's the intro of LHOTP's answer to The Bad Seed aka Nancy.

And we also get treated to Mary's very bad, horrible, no good, terrible wig.

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1 minute ago, CountryGirl said:

I will buy a ticket on the Stagecoach to Hell and snag a seat next to you. 

Because I guffawed when Ma was blubbering on about being "some...some...NOTHING!!!"

And again, where was this when she thought she was going through THE CHANGE when she was really pregnant with Grace?

Finally, Doc La'Orange? MYOFB. 

Oh Lord...it's the intro of LHOTP's answer to The Bad Seed aka Nancy.

And we also get treated to Mary's very bad, horrible, no good, terrible wig.

Uhm....I don't think I've laughed this hard at anything this year. I'm not exaggerating. Thank you for your service, madam. DOC LA'ORANGE!!!! Dying. All of it. 

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22 minutes ago, CountryGirl said:

And we also get treated to Mary's very bad, horrible, no good, terrible wig.

Although, will anything ever be as bad as Nellie's nutso cotton candy wig when she comes to visit and upsets Nancy?

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On 7/15/2020 at 8:16 PM, jason88cubs said:

Crazy to think Michael Landon was on tv for 30 straight years with 3 different shows

 

very impresss=ive

My Mom used to call this show "Little Joe on the Prairie"😉

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8 minutes ago, jird said:

Although, will anything ever be as bad as Nellie's nutso cotton candy wig when she comes to visit and upsets Nancy?

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I have such a hard time with the "new Nellie". I mean, I spent all those years wishing a pox upon her house, and now I'm just supposed to believe and accept that age and a good man have Eliza Doolittle'd her into this folksy, aww shucks person? I felt like it was such an Annie Wilkes, "Have you people got AMNESIA?! He didn't get outta the COCK A DOODY CAR" moment. I won't accept it. I won't.

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22 hours ago, bunnyblue said:

I guess through the rewatches over the years I missed that fact when it was discussed on the show. So, I take back my criticism of the show regarding that point. I do find it surprising that young Caroline Quiner did not take her stepfather's last name, like the Sanderson kids becoming the Edwards, Albert Quinn becoming Albert Ingalls, and other randoms that I know I'm forgetting. Although those examples were adoptions, so maybe Frederick Holbrook never legally adopted Caroline Quiner even though he raised her from a young age and she called him Pa.

I actually do not know if it was discussed on the show.  The place that I remember it from was from "The Caroline Years" book series.

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6 hours ago, SamShmam said:

My Mom used to call this show "Little Joe on the Prairie"😉

If Michael Landon hadn't died in '91 I'm convinced he would have tried a reboot in the late-90's focusing on Rose Wilder as a tween, especially given how popular the series had been in syndication. 

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6 hours ago, SamShmam said:

I have such a hard time with the "new Nellie". I mean, I spent all those years wishing a pox upon her house, and now I'm just supposed to believe and accept that age and a good man have Eliza Doolittle'd her into this folksy, aww shucks person? I felt like it was such an Annie Wilkes, "Have you people got AMNESIA?! He didn't get outta the COCK A DOODY CAR" moment. I won't accept it. I won't.

I just tell myself that Percival really threw it down in bed and Nellie got out her aggression that way.

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My reaction was relief. She seemed happier and if Laura could forgive and forget I could.

I saw this 10 years ago. One of my favorite things on YouTube at the time were DALLAS-style intros to other shows like Star Trek. If I had the time to look over all the footage I'd make ones of all my favorite shows. God bless the person who made this one:

 

 

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8 hours ago, methodwriter85 said:

I just tell myself that Percival really threw it down in bed and Nellie got out her aggression that way.

Percival does give out some big D energy, that's for sure.

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9 hours ago, methodwriter85 said:

If Michael Landon hadn't died in '91 I'm convinced he would have tried a reboot in the late-90's focusing on Rose Wilder as a tween, especially given how popular the series had been in syndication. 

Ya KNOW he would have milked this show within an inch of its life. Man was a white Tyler Perry with his schmaltzy commercial longevity, although I was too young for Bonanza and by the time it came out, and too cynical for Highway to Heaven.

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8 hours ago, VCRTracking said:

My reaction was relief. She seemed happier and if Laura could forgive and forget I could.

I saw this 10 years ago. One of my favorite things on YouTube at the time were DALLAS-style intros to other shows like Star Trek. If I had the time to look over all the footage I'd make ones of all my favorite shows. God bless the person who made this one:

 

 

That was made of awesome. Also, what does it say about me that I can pretty much recall which episode/what was happening with all the character split-screens? Like the one for Pa, the middle one is where he's reuniting the about to divorce Garveys through the power of church giggling.

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A thought that struck me while watching The Bad Seed two-parter (Nancy's intro) was damn, DripLip moved on FAST. Just 5 mere episodes ago he was declaring true wub foreva with Sylvia. 

And now he's all about Belinda.

But I guess it's better than Pa and Ma moving on to talking about future grandchildren from Half-Pint and Manly 3 episodes after Baby Battering Ram.

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3 hours ago, SamShmam said:

Ya KNOW he would have milked this show within an inch of its life. Man was a white Tyler Perry with his schmaltzy commercial longevity, although I was too young for Bonanza and by the time it came out, and too cynical for Highway to Heaven.

Michael Landon is also like Garth Marenghi,  the main character of the hilarious 2004 British horror parody show "Garth Marenghi's Dark Place". A novelist with this quote:

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3 hours ago, SamShmam said:

Ya KNOW he would have milked this show within an inch of its life. Man was a white Tyler Perry with his schmaltzy commercial longevity, although I was too young for Bonanza and by the time it came out, and too cynical for Highway to Heaven.

Yeah, I really think had he lived, he would have totally done a Rose Wilder show about ten years after the show ended that would dramatic liberty with her actual life. I could have totally seen a syndicated revival airing on The Family Channel in the mid/late 90's. He was already making up shit like Rose getting accidentally kidnapped before the short-lived retooling got cancelled. I'm sure he would have had her nursing Spanish American war veterans or something.

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Was anyone permanently traumatized by any of these episodes? I swear, I had to do EMDR therapy for the one where Laura gets kidnapped by the gal who lost her daughter. There were several others that kind of made me regress back into the womb and I was wondering if I'm alone in this or if it's been discussed ad-nauseam and I'm just late to the party, as always.

To date, I always find the Caroline tragedy ones (where she gets tetanus or whatever) to be sheer comic relief. I really have it in for Caroline, and I'm not sure why. 

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We've discussed from time to time, after a particularly unsettling episode, which, as time wore on, became every other one.

To this day, I still cannot watch that part in Sylvia where the mime rapist, having learned Sylvia's whereabouts from DripLip, shows up at the barn and you see just Sylvia lying behind something, sleeping, in close up. Then the door opens and you see nothing for a few moments, then the bluejeanned leg of the rapist and then see him start to approach, still in hazy far away focus, which is more chilling than if he were in full focus, IMO.

Creepy as F!

I also can't stand to watch the final scene of the Sylvia two-parter with DripLip and Sylvia - the "kiss me, my wuv" but for very different reasons.

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22 minutes ago, CountryGirl said:

We've discussed from time to time, after a particularly unsettling episode, which, as time wore on, became every other one.

To this day, I still cannot watch that part in Sylvia where the mime rapist, having learned Sylvia's whereabouts from DripLip, shows up at the barn and you see just Sylvia lying behind something, sleeping, in close up. Then the door opens and you see nothing for a few moments, then the bluejeanned leg of the rapist and then see him start to approach, still in hazy far away focus, which is more chilling than if he were in full focus, IMO.

Creepy as F!

I also can't stand to watch the final scene of the Sylvia two-parter with DripLip and Sylvia - the "kiss me, my wuv" but for very different reasons.

Chirst on a cracker, this is disturbing. I must have blocked this from my memory because it didn't even ring a bell. While reading your description I thought, who would write a screenplay with a MIME raping a child? So I googled it and found this (You've probably seen these, but I just discovered them and I'm dying). I don't even know what to say. I'm just trying to get this straight...so this abortion of a plot line wraps up with Syliva (the child RAPED BY A CHIRSTING MIME) in bed, kissing Albert? 

And you're right, pretty much every other episode is emotionally marring, yet still hilarious. What a combo.

 

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