Law & Order: Criminal Intent - General Discussion

[peacheslatour]

I'll never forget Goren's impassioned plea.

[WendyCR72]

3 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

Yeah, I can't watch Magnificat ever again but overall, it was an intrguing season. It's kind of funny, they got away with it.

Well, the whole frame of the show was psychological, getting into the minds of the criminals that commit their crimes. I think Season 4 just did that on steroids, hence the darkness of that season.

But then, as I type, S5 with "Grow" is on WE late night now, and S5 started off pretty damned bleak, what with Gwen and her own disgusting father willing to kill her! When a serial killer like Nicole is the nurturing one in that little tale, that's just all sorts of fucked up!

[peacheslatour]

9 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Well, the whole frame of the show was psychological, getting into the minds of the criminals that commit their crimes. I think Season 4 just did that on steroids, hence the darkness of that season.

But then, as I type, S5 with "Grow" is on WE late night now, and S5 started off pretty damned bleak, what with Gwen and her own disgusting father willing to kill her! When a serial killer like Nicole is the nurturing one in that little tale, that's just all sorts of fucked up!

I think one of the reasons CI got away with so much darkness and perversion is that Criminal Minds was it's contemporary and look at the shit they pulled on that show.

[WendyCR72]

11 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

I think one of the reasons CI got away with so much darkness and perversion is that Criminal Minds was it's contemporary and look at the shit they pulled on that show.

But I found Criminal Intent had a more cerebral bent that Criminal Minds doesn't have (to me).

[peacheslatour]

"My partner has a fancy name for that. Psychopaths. I just call 'em screwups."

God, I love Eames.

[TakomaSnark]

On 10/2/2022 at 11:08 PM, WendyCR72 said:

But I found Criminal Intent had a more cerebral bent that Criminal Minds doesn't have (to me).

Criminal Minds was just so phony. From the notion that the BAU is regularly on the ground, guns ablazing to catch a serial killer to the 'so-shallow-it-makes-George-Huang's-diagnoses-seem deep' round robin of perp of the week 'profiles.' The show was never truly interested in 'criminal minds,' just torture porn. 

Within the confines of an hour-long procedural, CI wiped the floor with CM as far as trying to show the thoughtfulness that goes into the detective work to catch these criminals.

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[WendyCR72]

19 hours ago, TakomaSnark said:

Within the confines of an hour-long procedural, CI wiped the floor with CM as far as trying to show the thoughtfulness that goes into the detective work to catch these criminals.

I know Criminal Intent has been seen as boring by some because there isn't a ton of action every episode. But (in the strict confines of the show's version of Major Case, which deals mainly with art thefts and such in real life, not homicides), I think that is more realistic. Shrug.

And I'm a former English Lit major. Cerebral is my jam. 😎

[WendyCR72]

Oh, good. "Vacancy" with screechy Alice just started on WE.

But the cold open really was suitably creepy and set up well.

[TakomaSnark]

11 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Oh, good. "Vacancy" with screechy Alice just started on WE.

But the cold open really was suitably creepy and set up well.

This one doesn't ring a bell by title alone, so I'm off to pull it up on DVR!

Maybe you can clear something up for me about 'Dead': Russell (Jim Gaffigan) wasn't cremating all the bodies because Harry (Jay O. Sanders) wanted some of the DNA from corpses to plant on his mob hits, right? But why wasn't Russell cremating anyone? Was it just laziness/apathy about inheriting his father's business and not really being invested in it (as he expressed an interest in going into advertising instead)? 

ETA: Okay, one minute in and now I remember 'Vacancy.' The imdb plot blurbs aren't as memorable as the cold open itself!

Edited October 9, 2022 by TakomaSnark
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[scriggle]

3 hours ago, TakomaSnark said:

This one doesn't ring a bell by title alone, so I'm off to pull it up on DVR!

Maybe you can clear something up for me about 'Dead': Russell (Jim Gaffigan) wasn't cremating all the bodies because Harry (Jay O. Sanders) wanted some of the DNA from corpses to plant on his mob hits, right? But why wasn't Russell cremating anyone? Was it just laziness/apathy about inheriting his father's business and not really being invested in it (as he expressed an interest in going into advertising instead)? 

ETA: Okay, one minute in and now I remember 'Vacancy.' The imdb plot blurbs aren't as memorable as the cold open itself!

I think it was apathy. He didn't want to run the crematorium but was too much of a milquetoast to say so and do something else. Harry was just taking advantage of the situation.

[TakomaSnark]

27 minutes ago, scriggle said:

I think it was apathy. He didn't want to run the crematorium but was too much of a milquetoast to say so and do something else. Harry was just taking advantage of the situation.

[ML89]

On 10/4/2022 at 11:25 PM, TakomaSnark said:

Criminal Minds was just so phony. From the notion that the BAU is regularly on the ground, guns ablazing to catch a serial killer to the 'so-shallow-it-makes-George-Huang's-diagnoses-seem deep' round robin of perp of the week 'profiles.' The show was never truly interested in 'criminal minds,' just torture porn. 

I would love to know if the producers of Criminal Minds paid off Stephen Cannell because, the few eps of Criminal Minds I've seen, it looks like a really close copy of his UNSUB from the late 80s (which is a better show, frankly).

[Xeliou66]

20 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Oh, good. "Vacancy" with screechy Alice just started on WE.

But the cold open really was suitably creepy and set up well.

Vacancy has probably my favorite cold open in CI history, it was awesomely creepy with the snow forcing the girls into the dumpy roach motel and the scenes inside the motel. It’s too bad the rest of the episode didn’t live up to the opening’s potential, while the search for the killer was good, there was just something about his psyche and motive that didn’t quite add up for me - he was very disturbed but it seemed odd he would viciously kill a random woman just because his mother was murdered, if anything it seems like he would hate men who kill women. It could’ve been an awesome episode but something just didn’t click with it, plus Deakins and Carver were barely in it, and the killer confessed way too easily. 

[WendyCR72]

8 hours ago, scriggle said:

I think it was apathy. He didn't want to run the crematorium but was too much of a milquetoast to say so and do something else. Harry was just taking advantage of the situation.

Yeah. And Goren basically surmises as much during the interrogation of Russell when he goes over some of the brochures that Russell had, of other various occupations.

[WendyCR72]

7 hours ago, ML89 said:

I would love to know if the producers of Criminal Minds paid off Stephen Cannell because, the few eps of Criminal Minds I've seen, it looks like a really close copy of his UNSUB from the late 80s (which is a better show, frankly).

OT: UnSub is on DVD - with a bunch of other short-lived and/or SJC pilots that were not picked up. Another example being a series called Broken Badges...

It also features a few episodes of successful SJC shows, including Hunter and Silk Stalkings (the latter of which, BTW, was Cannell's longest-running series (8 seasons)).

Here is the set:

https://smile.amazon.com/Prime-Time-Crime-Stephen-Collection/dp/B003QTDH4S/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=prime+time+crime+the+stephen+j.+cannell+collection&qid=1665379107&qu=eyJxc2MiOiIwLjkzIiwicXNhIjoiMC4wMCIsInFzcCI6IjAuMDAifQ%3D%3D&sprefix=crime+time+on+pr%2Caps%2C150&sr=8-1

Alas, it appears to be out of print; a used copy is about $42. But there are a ton of shows on the set (I have it! Bought it when it first came out!), so it would still be pretty good in terms of value. Scroll down, and you'll see a ton more shows included, including Jeff Goldblum in another police show, Tenspeed and Brownshoe.

[ML89]

8 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

OT: UnSub is on DVD - with a bunch of other short-lived and/or SJC pilots that were not picked up. Another example being a series called Broken Badges...

I bought it when it first came out too! If you're a Cannell fan, it's well worth it.

[peacheslatour]

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Alas, it appears to be out of print; a used copy is about $42. But there are a ton of shows on the set (I have it! Bought it when it first came out!), so it would still be pretty good in terms of value. Scroll down, and you'll see a ton more shows included, including Jeff Goldblum in another police show, Tenspeed and Brownshoe.

Oh, we loved Tenspeed and Brownshoe!

[WendyCR72]

"Albatross" from S6 with Maureen Pagolis and her dirty hubby is just ending on WE. And one thing I don't get is just why ol' George was not giving his wife up in terms of the judge being offed, while he was the target.

With all the recording Maureen had going on, he had to know his wife tried to murder him. I'd think he'd want to shout it from the rooftops, to maximize her humiliation, etc.

The only real hole to me in what I think was a good episode otherwise. It was an interesting angle in having Eames admire her so much, only to realize even "heroes/heroines" can take great falls.

[Xeliou66]

On 10/17/2022 at 3:00 AM, WendyCR72 said:

"Albatross" from S6 with Maureen Pagolis and her dirty hubby is just ending on WE. And one thing I don't get is just why ol' George was not giving his wife up in terms of the judge being offed, while he was the target.

With all the recording Maureen had going on, he had to know his wife tried to murder him. I'd think he'd want to shout it from the rooftops, to maximize her humiliation, etc.

The only real hole to me in what I think was a good episode otherwise. It was an interesting angle in having Eames admire her so much, only to realize even "heroes/heroines" can take great falls.

That was one of season 6’s better episodes, as I’ve said before season 6 is my least favorite season because of all of the soapy crap and how they started changing Goren particularly and how they changed the whole style of the show, it just didn’t work at all. But Albatross was pretty good, it was an interesting case with a dramatic opening, and I also thought it was interesting how Eames admired Maureen but then that faded as she realized her involvement. George was an epic sleaze, maybe he didn’t want people knowing just how slimy he was and that’s why he didn’t turn on Maureen but it seems like most people had a good idea of it anyway. 

[WendyCR72]

11 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

George was an epic sleaze, maybe he didn’t want people knowing just how slimy he was and that’s why he didn’t turn on Maureen but it seems like most people had a good idea of it anyway. 

Yeah, as you say, most already knew. Voters that were interviewed, Faith Yancy (the Nancy Grace clone), and almost everyone else. Maybe ol' George just didn't want to lose out on the lavish lifestyle Maureen had provided for the bulk of her career?

It's the only reason I can see for George staying mum.

I, too, liked the opening with the historical reenactment gone wrong. It was different.

[peacheslatour]

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I, too, liked the opening with the historical reenactment gone wrong. It was different.

I'll never say no to Bowie.

[WendyCR72]

11 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

I'll never say no to Bowie.

Seems all I heard was Freddie in the bit of the song used. But then, Mercury and Bowie's voices did blend!

But the shooter had to be GOOD, timing it so well to the "fake" shooting. (I know, explained as a Special Ops guy, but still!)

[WendyCR72]

God, "Offense" is also another episode filled with awful, self-serving people, including the prosecutor played by Andrew McCarthy. (On now on WE.)

Even the dead victim - who had a crisis of conscience due to her faith - was lying about a criminal incident.

The murdering mom played by Peri Gilpin was wrong, but I can also see how she felt backed against the wall for her son, since Gene the prosecutor was getting off on the media hype vis a vis the football team, as was his witchy wife, and the other players seemed to come from affluence, and the poor kid would take the fall for a lie.

But Falacci yelling at Ross was entertaining, as usual!

[Xeliou66]

9 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

God, "Offense" is also another episode filled with awful, self-serving people, including the prosecutor played by Andrew McCarthy. (On now on WE.)

Even the dead victim - who had a crisis of conscience due to her faith - was lying about a criminal incident.

The murdering mom played by Peri Gilpin was wrong, but I can also see how she felt backed against the wall for her son, since Gene the prosecutor was getting off on the media hype vis a vis the football team, as was his witchy wife, and the other players seemed to come from affluence, and the poor kid would take the fall for a lie.

But Falacci yelling at Ross was entertaining, as usual!

Yeah Offense had a slew of awful people - the prosecutor and his wife really pissed me off, they were really the ones responsible for the whole thing IMO, he was just using it to advance his career. I didn’t feel much sympathy for the killer but I can see how she was in a tough situation and the victim wasn’t very sympathetic either. I don’t think there was a single sympathetic character in the episode.

I wish Falacci had been kept on - I liked how she was outspoken and would clash with Douchebag Ross some. She added a spark. Wheeler was duller that dirt and did nothing for me. 

[peacheslatour]

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I wish Falacci had been kept on - I liked how she was outspoken and would clash with Douchebag Ross some. She added a spark. Wheeler was duller that dirt and did nothing for me. 

I loved Falacci! Second only to the great Alex Eames.

[Xeliou66]

6 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

I loved Falacci! Second only to the great Alex Eames.

Falacci was a huge improvement over Wheeler, it’s a shame she was only on for 5 episodes. Wheeler was lifeless. Of the female detectives, Eames is obviously the best, I liked Barek pretty good as well, and Falacci was good. Stevens and Wheeler were both completely dull, as was Bishop. 

Edited October 24, 2022 by Xeliou66

[WendyCR72]

On 10/24/2022 at 12:25 PM, Xeliou66 said:

Falacci was a huge improvement over Wheeler, it’s a shame she was only on for 5 episodes. Wheeler was lifeless. Of the female detectives, Eames is obviously the best, I liked Barek pretty good as well, and Falacci was good. Stevens and Wheeler were both completely dull, as was Bishop. 

Seems Falacci can be compared to another temp on another Dick Wolf show, Nina on FBI. Some like her better than Maggie, the main female lead, and don't want her to leave once Maggie returns.

Makes me wonder if that will happen or if Nina will just go poof like Falacci.

It was odd that the show had Wheeler find Falacci's forgotten "Princess" coffee mug on her desk. I wonder if that was supposed to lead to anything or not? Oh, well.

[Xeliou66]

Betrayed was just on, I like the episode despite it being predictable, but my god Ross was such a dickhead, even more than normal in this episode, he was such a rude and condescending grade A asshole to Goren/Eames in this episode. Very abrasive with them for no reason, screaming at Goren at one point and he had a total blind spot for Kathy. He should’ve taken a step back from the case, but he was an unprofessional douche as usual. I just really can’t stand Ross.

The episode had a couple of flaws - I was unsure of how Kathy had been able to set up such a complex plot while also dealing with the police at the same time. And I had a hard time believing no autopsy was performed on the judge that was Kathy’s previous husband that she poisoned, maybe Kathy used her connections to say she didn’t want an autopsy but that seemed hard to believe. 

[peacheslatour]

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. I just really can’t stand Ross.

I hated him. Dammit, why did Deakins have to go? 

[Xeliou66]

11 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

I hated him. Dammit, why did Deakins have to go? 

I think just about all CI fans are united in their hatred of Ross. The guy was such a condescending, demeaning, egotistical ass.

Deakins was sorely missed when he left, and it also pisses me off how Deakins was so underused in many episodes, while Ross got a lot more screen time. And Deakins exit left a bad taste in my mouth, no way Deakins would give in to Adair and his minions so easily, Deakins was a fighter, it was so stupid to have him just quit and go out under a cloud. Why couldn’t they just have Deakins choose to retire on his own and then have a small goodbye scene for him at the end of his last episode? Plus Goren/Eames weren’t even in the squad room when he left, another thing that pissed me off.

[peacheslatour]

Watching Vanishing act -

Random Dumbass "He said he wanted to be buried alive. I told him I could make it look and feel like the real thing but with less danger.

Eames "Well. I guess you were wrong then."

[WendyCR72]

On 10/27/2022 at 12:30 PM, Xeliou66 said:

Betrayed was just on, I like the episode despite it being predictable, but my god Ross was such a dickhead, even more than normal in this episode, he was such a rude and condescending grade A asshole to Goren/Eames in this episode. Very abrasive with them for no reason, screaming at Goren at one point and he had a total blind spot for Kathy. He should’ve taken a step back from the case, but he was an unprofessional douche as usual. I just really can’t stand Ross.

The episode had a couple of flaws - I was unsure of how Kathy had been able to set up such a complex plot while also dealing with the police at the same time. And I had a hard time believing no autopsy was performed on the judge that was Kathy’s previous husband that she poisoned, maybe Kathy used her connections to say she didn’t want an autopsy but that seemed hard to believe. 

And I still do not understand why we were shown Kathy decorating a nursery when she knew there would be no baby.

I do like that G/E's thaw was relatively quick. Still got a chuckle at the scene with Trina, her sex tape, and Eames passing it to Goren, who looked like he was grabbing a dead animal or something. LOL!

5 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

Watching Vanishing act -

Random Dumbass "He said he wanted to be buried alive. I told him I could make it look and feel like the real thing but with less danger.

Eames "Well. I guess you were wrong then."

I really liked that episode. VDO looked like he was having a blast with it.

[peacheslatour]

2 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

And I still do not understand why we were shown Kathy decorating a nursery when she knew there would be no baby.

I do like that G/E's thaw was relatively quick. Still got a chuckle at the scene with Trina, her sex tape, and Eames passing it to Goren, who looked like he was grabbing a dead animal or something. LOL!

I really liked that episode. VDO looked like he was having a blast with it.

Right? Especially when he was playing with the magic props. He seemed like he was really getting a kick out of it. Why they squandered an actor of his caliber with a bunch of boring "personal demons" crap is beyond me.

Edited October 29, 2022 by peacheslatour

[Sigmagirl]

A "Smothered" story problem.

IF Priscilla Van Acker goes to prison for engineering the death of Lois Romney; 

AND Roger Jameson goes to prison for conspiracy;;

THEN: Does Mrs. Burgman get to keep Mr. Lincoln?

[peacheslatour]

5 hours ago, Sigmagirl said:

A "Smothered" story problem.

IF Priscilla Van Acker goes to prison for engineering the death of Lois Romney; 

AND Roger Jameson goes to prison for conspiracy;;

THEN: Does Mrs. Burgman get to keep Mr. Lincoln?

Didn't she buy him, fair and square?

[Xeliou66]

On 10/28/2022 at 7:25 PM, WendyCR72 said:

And I still do not understand why we were shown Kathy decorating a nursery when she knew there would be no baby.

I do like that G/E's thaw was relatively quick. Still got a chuckle at the scene with Trina, her sex tape, and Eames passing it to Goren, who looked like he was grabbing a dead animal or something. LOL!

I really liked that episode. VDO looked like he was having a blast with it.

You’re right about the scene in the nursery with Kathy, made no sense. The episode was predictable, it was obvious from the start Kathy was the killer, it was just about piecing it together. I also liked how Goren/Eames got back on track after Goren’s absence. But goddamn, Ross was a total ass. I mean he usually was an ass, but he took it up a notch higher in this one. 

[Sigmagirl]

5 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

Didn't she buy him, fair and square?

She bought him in good faith, believing Jameson had the right to sell him, but he did not. The horse belonged to Priscilla. The papers to a racehorse have to be transferred the same way as the registration to a car, and the papers were in Priscilla’s name. Roger would have forged them to get the money.

[WendyCR72]

12 hours ago, Sigmagirl said:

A "Smothered" story problem.

IF Priscilla Van Acker goes to prison for engineering the death of Lois Romney; 

AND Roger Jameson goes to prison for conspiracy;;

THEN: Does Mrs. Burgman get to keep Mr. Lincoln?

I got the impression she wasn't about to give Mr. Lincoln back, anyway. But...probably?

On a side note, seems the show is re-gaining its longer former Thursday marathon on WE, beginning this Thursday per listings, running until almost 7:00 p.m., same for the following Thursday, the 10th.

No clue if it is a temporary deal or not as, I think, Criminal Minds had the slot, but I'm guessing ratings must still be good if it is having its marathon come back. *shrug*

[Shadow Lass]

On 10/28/2022 at 7:25 PM, WendyCR72 said:

I really liked that episode. VDO looked like he was having a blast with

Apparently VDO has been messing with magic since he was a teenager, so I'm pretty sure he wa

Edited November 1, 2022 by Shadow Lass

[Shadow Lass]

Watching "Frame" last week and had not noticed before how absolutely jealous Declan is of Goren's close relationship with Eames!

[WendyCR72]

11 minutes ago, Shadow Lass said:

Apparently VDO has been messing with magic since he was a teenager, so I'm pretty sure he wa

You got cut off, but I know about VDO's love of magic. 😎

As I posted before at some point, I recall reading that, if he weren't an actor, he wanted to be a magician. So it's no surprise that he/Bobby was so happy during "Vanishing Act"!

5 minutes ago, Shadow Lass said:

Watching "Frame" last week and had not noticed before how absolutely jealous Declan is of Goren's close relationship with Eames!

Yeah, as I said, the show liked to straddle the fence with them. For the 'shippers and the non-shippers, what with Declan's observations about Alex caring about Bobby "deeply", knowing him so well, and the little undercover moments they had...

Declan truly was jealous, though, no doubt. Makes me wonder if that is why he tried to make it appear that Eames was gaslighting Goren, so Goren would mistrust her, etc.

[Xeliou66]

Family Values was just on, this is probably my favorite season 8 episode, Goren was really good in it, I know Goren was kind of worn down around this time but this felt like classic Goren, and it was a dark and chilling case, Paul Devildis was a deranged and despicable killer, and I really liked Goren’s final confrontation with him. It was also very creepy how Paul seemed to be attracted to his daughter, what a fucking creep. Even Ross was okay in this episode, he didn’t come off as an asshole in this one, one of the few episodes where he didn’t piss me off.

[WendyCR72]

2 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

Family Values was just on, this is probably my favorite season 8 episode, Goren was really good in it, I know Goren was kind of worn down around this time but this felt like classic Goren, and it was a dark and chilling case, Paul Devildis was a deranged and despicable killer, and I really liked Goren’s final confrontation with him. It was also very creepy how Paul seemed to be attracted to his daughter, what a fucking creep. Even Ross was okay in this episode, he didn’t come off as an asshole in this one, one of the few episodes where he didn’t piss me off.

David Harbour really sold the crazy and evil well. Not surprised he has gone on to a great career. I like that one, too.

As I type, "All In", the weird "this is Joey Frost, but we'll call him Josh Snow!" episode is on. Nice to have the late-afternoon marathon back on WE! (I know it starts in the morning, but the afternoon is when I can watch.)

[Xeliou66]

14 minutes ago, WendyCR72 said:

David Harbour really sold the crazy and evil well. Not surprised he has gone on to a great career. I like that one, too.

As I type, "All In", the weird "this is Joey Frost, but we'll call him Josh Snow!" episode is on. Nice to have the late-afternoon marathon back on WE! (I know it starts in the morning, but the afternoon is when I can watch.)

Paul was one of the most memorable villains on CI, especially from the later years (season 6 and afterwards). He was really deranged and creepy, trying to kill everyone in his life and being attracted to his daughter. There weren’t a lot of memorable villains in CI’s later seasons, Paul was one though. Goren was really good in confronting him at the end. One reason I like Family Values a lot is it was one of the later season episodes that felt like classic CI - solely focused on the case with a twisted villain, no personal soapy drama.

Don’t even get me started on All In and the bizarreness of Joey Frost/Josh Snow. That was so weird it completely took me out of the episode, why didn’t they keep the name the same, even if they had to get a new actor? Made no fucking sense. I really like Cruise to Nowhere but All In was just kind of a mess. 

[WendyCR72]

1 hour ago, Xeliou66 said:

Don’t even get me started on All In and the bizarreness of Joey Frost/Josh Snow. That was so weird it completely took me out of the episode, why didn’t they keep the name the same, even if they had to get a new actor? Made no fucking sense. I really like Cruise to Nowhere but All In was just kind of a mess. 

As I said before, the only logical explanation, to me, is maybe there was some copyright issue with the original writer of the "Cruise To Nowhere" episode, so some things had to be changed.

But, if that were the case, why do it at all? Just make Josh a new perp. *shrug*

[WendyCR72]

Watching S4 on Sundance now, and "In The Dark", a.k.a. the nonexistent Jenny, Rose, Butch the killer mechanic, and the stone baby episode.

And I reiterate: Season 4 was a dark as hell season! No wonder it was the season that forced the groundwork for the change to two teams instead of just G/E, what with VDO's exhaustion and the re-introduction of Mike Logan.

The actor that thought Donald in the tunnel was a demon also played him appropriately nutty enough. (Although the fake body parts looked fake, but that's more than fine with me!)

I'm not an actor, and even I would have gotten burnt out based on some of the material!

[Xeliou66]

18 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Watching S4 on Sundance now, and "In The Dark", a.k.a. the nonexistent Jenny, Rose, Butch the killer mechanic, and the stone baby episode.

And I reiterate: Season 4 was a dark as hell season! No wonder it was the season that forced the groundwork for the change to two teams instead of just G/E, what with VDO's exhaustion and the re-introduction of Mike Logan.

The actor that thought Donald in the tunnel was a demon also played him appropriately nutty enough. (Although the fake body parts looked fake, but that's more than fine with me!)

I'm not an actor, and even I would have gotten burnt out based on some of the material!

Yep, season 4 was exceptionally dark, a lot of weird and disturbing cases. In the Dark with the stone baby has to be right up at the top of the list of creepy CI episodes.

Season 4 might be my favorite season, I really like the dark nature of the cases for the most part, only thing I didn’t like was how at the start of season 4 Goren was a bit off, feeling sympathy for the perp in Semi-Detached was OOC and even worse was his feeling sympathy for sicko Tagman in Want. I have no idea what was with Goren at the start of the season, but fortunately he got back to being his usual self after those 2 episodes.

[peacheslatour]

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Watching S4 on Sundance now, and "In The Dark", a.k.a. the nonexistent Jenny, Rose, Butch the killer mechanic, and the stone baby episode.

"The killer and Mrs. Magoo." Season 4 is truly some of the darkest television since Criminal Minds and they had a huge cast in comparison. As Xeliou says, you can see why it messed with VDO's head. I can't ever watch Magnificat ever again.

[Xeliou66]

1 hour ago, peacheslatour said:

"The killer and Mrs. Magoo." Season 4 is truly some of the darkest television since Criminal Minds and they had a huge cast in comparison. As Xeliou says, you can see why it messed with VDO's head. I can't ever watch Magnificat ever again.

Magnificat is incredibly disturbing, with the children being blown up, and the scumbag controlling father getting away with his role in it. As I’ve said before, I was disappointed Carver didn’t at least try to prosecute him for negligence, given that he knew his wife was dangerous to their children and did nothing and just made things worse.

The other episode that comes to mind as incredibly bleak is No Exit, that episode is almost too bleak and dark, and the sight of the guy trapped in the car as the train approaches is horrifying.

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[WendyCR72]

21 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

The other episode that comes to mind as incredibly bleak is No Exit, that episode is almost too bleak and dark, and the sight of the guy trapped in the car as the train approaches is horrifying.

Yeah. Of course, we later find out Carmine was a dirtball that lied for his boss under oath, but there are other ways to handle that, not having him killed by a train!

On the other end of the series, I see WE is now in the midst of S9 for today's long marathon. Although it will segue into S10. It airs until 8 tonight! Oddly fitting, since the Mothership starts then on NBC.