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‘ARROW’ CHARACTER SPOTLIGHT: OLIVER QUEEN
BY JULIA VALENTI   APRIL 24, 2016 // 11:51 PM
http://fanfest.com/arrow-character-spotlight-oliver-queen/

... Out of all the characters on Arrow, Oliver has, by far, been the biggest character development on the show....
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... Not only did Oliver develop supreme fighting skills, but he also learned a sense of independence....
 

This sense of independence made Oliver feel as though it was his duty to carry on his mission to better Starling City on his own. After meeting his bodyguard, John Diggle, Oliver decided to bring Diggle in on his quest to better his city. ... Oliver was right, eventually, Diggle accepted Oliver’s offer to join his ‘team’.
 

When Oliver finally brought in Felicity Smoak as a key member to the team, that was when we slowly started to see a change in the way Oliver did things. She did not hesitate to voice her opinions in his way of handling situations, and Oliver slowly began to agree with her. His kill count dwindled significantly (but not completely), and instead of being a rogue vigilante, he began to honor the justice system and started filling up cells at Iron Heights Prison.
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Oliver cares deeply about those he brings into his life, especially his team members, who have grown to become his family. He has become more calm, grounded, and level-headed.
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Sometimes, we still see that coldness to Oliver. He’s had quite a few blowups recently, most notably with Curtis, who assisted Team Arrow in the take-down of the bug-eyed bandit. He still struggles to trust people he just meets, but I do not think that is something that will ever go away. Considering the number of people that have turned on him in the past, I do not blame him.
 

He also loves Felicity Smoak with all of his heart, and loving someone the way he loves her has been almost impossible for Oliver, after years of being emotionally and literally scarred. Since being with her, Oliver always tries to see the good in people, just as she does. ...

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I always find it odd when people blame the writing for LLs failure. I'll give them that for Lauiver because of the whole cheating thing but, let's be honest if SA/KC had the chemistry that SA/EBR had,

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Sorry, that argument rings really hollow when the show has had a history of killing off/mistreating other female characters without a peep of protest from those same "concerned" people. Moira Queen, S

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I know that this is supposed to be Felicity's dark arc, but...Felicity desperately doing whatever she can to save people (damn the consequences down the road) doesn't make me think that she's losing w

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ETA for accurate quote: "Well, it was just like a good friend once told me, I had to find another way."

 

And as far back as S1: "Has it ever occurred to you that you could do some real good in this city, beyond just recovering people's stock portfolios and their saving accounts?"

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"A good friend told me, maybe there's another way."

Oliver, while he was looking at Felicity in 201 :)

Oliver chose to stop killing by quitting the vigilante life. But Felicity helped inspire him to find another way WHILE being the vigilante. 

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Oliver, while he was looking at Felicity in 201 :)

Oliver chose to stop killing by quitting the vigilante life. But Felicity helped inspire him to find another way WHILE being the vigilante. 

Other than my butchered quote, exactly. And prior to that the sequence was:

 

F: Maybe there's another way.

O: They have my sister. What other way is there?

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Doesn't kill, only wounds and captures, and actually quasi-saves the one bad guy who fell...

 

O: Well, it was just like a good friend once told me, I had to find another way.

 

But sure, Felicity had nothing to do with him becoming a hero and cutting back on unnecessary killing.

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Oliver developed his fighting skills prior to the current timeline. I wouldn't count the flashbacks as in show development. They provide historical context for why he has skills in the current timeline. So, no not part of his character development.

 

The point of the flashbacks is to see how spoiled Ollie who basically believed he could take his girlfriend's sister on a sex cruise and get away with it became Oliver who started to carry the world on his shoulders right next to his massive emotional and psychological issues. Yes, they've turned hella boring and meandering, but I wouldn't say they're not part of his development.
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Oliver developed his fighting skills prior to the current timeline. I wouldn't count the flashbacks as in show development. They provide historical context for why he has skills in the current timeline. So, no not part of his character development.

I don't understand. The flashbacks are a part of the show. How could something that's shown on the show not be considered "in show development"?

 

Laurel's progression from occasional boxer to full-fledged vigilante with stick and melee fighting skills and motorcycle-riding ability is something that I wouldn't consider "in show development" because we never saw her really learn them.

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A Modest Proposal is the best satire ever written. That's not even my opinion, it's fact. I mean, when Swift got into a discussion of how best to bake the infants of the poor to maximize flavor? I died laughing. 

 

Al Franken did a great riff on it, that the US should send old Americans into space. We get exploration out of it, less waste of humans, and best of all, we care so little about them that a return trip is not necessary.

 

I thought the EBR thing was pretty obviously satire, but a lot of people are really and truly not that bright. Or maybe just reactionary.

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You know, people will have no idea that's satire.

The number of people in the comment section that are protesting that it's not true is almost as bad as the ones that claim it is true.  Sigh.  It's sad when satire needs subtitles. 

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From PB's TV appearance on Hallmark's Home & Family TV show on April 26...

Home & Family TV
TUESDAY, APRIL 26TH, 2016
http://www.hallmarkchannel.com/home-and-family/tuesday-april-26th-2016

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Paul Blackthorne Interview

The actor talks to Mark and Cristina about his role as Detective Quentin Lance in “Arrow,” which has its season four premiere tonight at 8/7c on the CW. Aside from being in the series, Paul loves to travel and recently filmed a documentary in India, where he got to meet the Dalai Lama. Paul said he walked away from that meeting wanting to do more good things in life. One of his biggest passions is saving the rhinos in the wild and works closely with the Save the Rhino organization.

Get more information at Represent.com/SavetheRhinoVietnam

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ETA:  Video of this episode will likely be posted on Hallmark's "FULL EPISODES" page sometime today or tomorrow...
http://www.hallmarkchanneleverywhere.com/Movies/Details?NodeID=29&TVEMovieID=526

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CBR interview with James Bamford...

HOW "ARROW'S" FIGHT COORDINATOR TURNED OLIVER QUEEN INTO A BADASS
Posted: 23 minutes ago  Bryan Cairns
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/how-arrows-fight-coordinator-turned-oliver-queen-into-a-badass

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... He brought me in as a stunt performer to begin with; I'm one of the first guys that Stephen kills. He breaks my neck, back when he used to kill people randomly, which was a lot of fun. On Twitter, I used to post "This week's body count on 'Arrow' is…"

I was a performer, and started training Stephen on the pilot. Instead of having a specific fight coordinator position, I was brought on as a performer and given the honor of choreographing all the fight sequences for the pilot. It became apparent that I should be around, so I started training Stephen in martial arts, boxing, different movement types and weapons.

"Arrow's" leading man was no badass in the beginning. When did you realize Stephen was a beast with the choreography?
Stephen had never thrown a punch -- he told me that right off the bat. We worked the basics before I taught him any choreography. As I was teaching him on the side, I was busy choreographing the fights he would be performing. As I saw him progress in different basics and skills, I would add or subtract different movements that suited him within the choreography. When you are shooting a pilot, you really want the audience to get hooked. You want them to feel like he's doing it all. You can use someone's adaptiveness and quick-learning skills, but eventually you have to start teaching something new or use that stunt double from time-to-time.
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A story. A story has to be told within the action. The main challenges are obviously time and money for a series like this, where we shoot an eight-day schedule. We cram so much into that incredibly short time period, whereas, you'll get a show like "Daredevil" which will get 12 days of shooting, plus four second-unit days. That's a lot of time compared to what we get.
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Viewers are expecting a death match between Oliver and Damien Darhk. How epic do things get?
Without giving anything away, there's the old saying, "Go big or go home." This finale sequence buries every other one we've done.

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1 minute ago, calliope1975 said:

So, did they hire some new interns for CW PR? If so, KEEP THEM!

Maybe SPN's production team is moonlighting for Arrow. SPN's only good promos have come directly from their own people.

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A.V. Club's generally positive review of 419...

Arrow says goodbye to one of its own—no, really, we’re pretty sure it actually did this time
By Alasdair Wilkins  Apr 27, 2016  9:30 PM
http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/arrow-says-goodbye-one-its-ownno-really-were-prett-235959

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... Paul Blackthorne conveys just unimaginable grief here, and I’m frankly glad Laurel’s death comes late enough in the season that the show feels compelled to mostly wrap up Lance’s arc in the space of an episode, because it’s brutal to watch him deteriorate. What’s particularly devastating is that his reaction is, in its way, entirely logical, given Sara’s two resurrections (and Oliver’s, and Malcolm’s, and Thea’s, and probably a couple others I’m forgetting) make it clear he no longer lives in a universe where death can be counted on. To some extent, I wish the episode had pushed a little further with this thematically, as Blackthorne absolutely has the chops to nail some big monologue about why he and this world needs the certainty of death, that the fuzzy rules that now govern survival only create heartbreak a million times worse than what he knew before....
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Meanwhile, the impostor Black Canary is a useful reminder of how much collateral damage this show leaves in its wake. I’ll admit I had forgotten completely about the business with H.I.V.E. and the gas chambers—that feels like it was at least five Damien Dahrk masterplans ago, but maybe that’s just the various hiatuses talking—but Oliver is right when he says the team was too cavalier in leaving those people, “volunteers” or no. There are some pieces of this story that don’t especially work: I don’t believe we ever get a good explanation beyond “she’s a really smart teenager!” as to how the fake Black Canary got Cisco’s device to work for her vocal cords. (Though, as a Flash viewer, I will say we can never rule out the possibility that Cisco is just totally incompetent.) Also tricky is the idea that Oliver can convince the fake Canary that Laurel was a hero when the only time she saw her in action was when Team Arrow left them behind at Reddington, which was kind of the whole reason she was pissed off in the first place. Probably best to just take this as a plotline that works better in its thematic material than in its plot specifics.
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... The flashbacks as a whole have become so awful and pointless that I’m tempted to give an episode high marks just for using them with any sort of sense of purpose, and juxtaposing this episode with the immediate aftermath of Tommy’s death works well. Yes, it forces Katie Cassidy to go back to before Laurel knew Oliver’s secret and do one last round of mopey, easily confused Laurel acting, which I suppose is the Laurel equivalent of trotting out “Free Bird” to close out the concert. You’ve got to play the classics! Again, I’m not even sure these flashbacks are all that great, especially when they take us to a weirdly defined spot between the first and second season that’s hard to reinvest in at this great distance. (Like, shouldn’t Starling City still be reeling from the Undertaking a little bit more than what we see here, even if all we see is the cemetery and Laurel’s apartment? Wait, sorry, I’m already contradicting my own advice.) But the flashbacks are worth it just for that moment in the morgue, when we hear Laurel say Oliver’s name and find ourselves in the past. It’s not a huge moment, and it’s a move plenty of other shows have made, but it feels like Arrow making deliberate choices, like the show knowing exactly what it’s doing. That’s been true more often than not this season, but it’s still reassuring to see that as we head into the endgame.

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Vulture's kinda negative review of 419...

Arrow Recap: An Eternal Blame
By Jenny Raftery  April 28, 2016 9:43 a.m.
http://www.vulture.com/2016/04/arrow-recap-season-4-episode-19.html

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Confession: I expected “Canary Cry” to be a much more maudlin affair than it was. Maybe that’s because the advance promo photos for the episode featured a never-ending series of sad hugs, or maybe it was because I expected a big send-off for Laurel. In the end, however, the episode was less about mourning Laurel than protecting the Black Canary’s legacy — a wise choice, given how little the show developed Laurel’s non-vigilante story line in the past two seasons.
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So, Oliver didn’t go to Tommy’s funeral because Laurel loved Tommy? Why was that shocking? It’s a confusing moment that’s slightly expounded upon when Oliver later visits Laurel’s apartment. Turns out, Oliver had trouble writing the eulogy because he had failed Tommy. But, bro, you could have still gone to his funeral. And you did go, until Laurel mentioned her love for Tommy. You were already at the cemetery!   
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... Thanks to some super-unrealistic computer magic — even by Felicity standards — Team Arrow quickly narrows down its suspect to Evelyn Sharp, a teen whose family was kidnapped by Darhk. (I guess because she got good grades, she was smart enough to out-maneuver Cisco’s engineering of the Canary Cry?)
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... This isn’t who Dig is, and it would have been interesting to see this darkness played out a bit longer, or at least not as neatly tied up with one confrontation with Oliver. I mean, Dig just shot at some presumably innocent mayoral security detail and knocked a woman, albeit an evil one, in the face. The resolution of these choices felt a bit glossed over.
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... To convince her to drop her weapon, the Arrow invokes the real Black Canary and the hero she was. It works, and Mini-Canary bolts. By this point, I didn’t quite get what Evelyn’s MO was. If she was mad that the Arrow and his friends abandoned her, why was she dressing as Black Canary in the first place? Because she emulated her? Didn’t Black Canary also abandon her family the same as Arrow that night? Also, how does she know Ruvé is connected to H.I.V.E.?
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After Team Arrow resolves the Mini-Canary crisis, it’s time to focus on Laurel’s funeral, where Oliver reveals to the attendees that Laurel was the real Black Canary. Her legacy is saved. I had trouble emotionally connecting with this scene. I didn’t feel any sort of sadness or grief coming from her friends and family. Even her parents’ walk-and-talk to the grave felt stilted. Even though Laurel was hardly my favorite character, I was hoping to feel some sort of mourning. Maybe it’s because the scene, which was framed as a sort of celebration of her role in saving the city, felt more like a dedication ceremony than a funeral. I could also just be dead inside.

Saving the city has always been Laurel’s thing, as this week’s Laurel-centric flashbacks remind us. A week after Tommy’s funeral, Oliver sits in front of a fire with Laurel, reminiscing about Tommy. She sweetly suggests that they save the city “together.” She has no clue that Oliver is the Arrow, a lie that always created a large gulf between these two characters. They briefly kiss and she tells Ollie that she’s “really excited” about their future. You can see Oliver mentally start to pack for Lian Yu in the middle of this conversation. (Bow? Check. Arrow? Check.)  Sure enough, he leaves her a good-bye note shortly thereafter, in which he tells Laurel that she’s “always seen the best” in him and that’s because she’s the “best part” of him.
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... He heads to the limo, where Felicity is waiting. Felicity wants Oliver to kill “him,” but Oliver is worried about his ability to beat his magic. (Aha! The “him” is Darhk.) Felicity refuses to accept Oliver’s quasi-concession speech and urges him to find another way — something, she notes, he’s always able to do and one of the reasons she loves him. He agrees to try.

For all of Oliver’s flowery sentiments about Laurel seeing the best in Oliver and being the best part of him, it’s these kind of scenes with Felicity that puts those words into action. No matter how much Arrow tells me about Laurel’s influence on Oliver, it’s never truly been shown.
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- Wait, why is Evelyn going to Laurel’s funeral before it’s announced that she’s the Black Canary?
- Arrow’s “escape” from the gala felt like a cheat.
- Laurel wearing 10-inch high-heels around her apartment.
- Laurel’s Tommy-wasn’t-just-a-“billionaire playboy” line at his funeral.

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Den of Geek's generally negative review of 419 (rated it 2/5 stars)...

Arrow: Canary Cry Review
Kayti Burt 4/27/2016 at 9:42PM
http://www.denofgeek.us/tv/arrow/254937/arrow-canary-cry-review

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Well, after a million months, we finally get to see the grave scene in context. And, more than anything, its clunky context highlighted just how far Arrow has fallen down the plot-dictating-character TV hole. And, guys, the plot-dictating-character TV hole is not a pretty place to be.
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The Laurel we got was a retconned version of the Laurel following the events of the season 1 finale. To be fair, Arrow had a good instinct in making the flashbacks about Laurel (or, you know, anything other than Lian Yu). But has anyone ever sat around wondering what Laurel and Oliver's relationship looked like immediately following Tommy's death in the season 1 finale? I know I haven't. And, if I had, it probably wouldn't have looked like this: Oliver and Laurel fondly sitting together to remember the man they loved. Laurel letting it slide that instead of delivering the eulogy at Tommy's funeral like he apparently promised, instead lurking in the background, too much of a coward to even show up to his best friend's burial.

For those who need a refresher: Laurel at this point had, yes, just slept with Oliver, but who loved Tommy. This is the Laurel who would go on to abuse substances so badly that she loses her job all because she feels so guilty over Tommy's death. This is not a Laurel who is going to make excuses for Oliver, then kiss him uncomplicatedly in front of a romantic candle display. Frankly, that's kind of a disgrace to her character.
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Instead, what did we get? Dull flashbacks of two characters that never existed (because this was a pretty bland version of Oliver post-season 1, too), backed up by dull, repetitive scenes of Team Arrow in present-day all blaming themselves for what happened. The only characters who had different reactions were Thea and Lance — the former of whom was uncharacteristically mellow in her grief (though not totally unrealistic — not everyone falls apart, you know, and it was sinceriously nice to have some variety), and the latter of whom refused to accept Laurel's death.
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"He was more than just a billionaire playboy. I loved him." Ugh. This line.
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"We always did make a great team." Um, did you, Laurel and Oliver?

"Laurel Lance, alwasy trying to save the world." OK, this throwback to a line Tommy delivered to Laurel in the pilot (as Oliver creepily eavesdropped on their conversation from a fire escape) made me pretty nostalgic for early Arrow. 
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"It is not just magic. It's darkness. And whatenever I have come up against it, I have come nowhere. He feels unstoppable." Maybe steal his idol again? And hide it better this time?

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411mania's mixed review of 419 (rated it Average)...

Arrow 4.19 Review – ‘Canary Cry’
April 27, 2016 | Posted by Anthony Falco
http://411mania.com/movies/arrow-4-19-review-canary-cry/

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So this week begins with an odd flashback: with Laurel speaking at Tommy Merlyn’s funeral. Oliver was supposed to give the eulogy, but he did not show. Now, this is supposed to display the always present love between Laurel and Oliver, yet it does not work. Even when the two kiss later in the episode, it just feels like filler, as their romance – even when she professed her love a few weeks ago – makes the writers come off as emotionally manipulative.
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... This leads directly to another painful scene, where Nyssa, who is giving Oliver a heads up about Lance, asks Queen if he is okay. The viewer just watched this conversation between Felicity and Oliver, so we do not need to see it again. To make matters worse, it is so short that it feels pointless, and the dialogue is stilted. Yet it does result in one of the better scenes of the night, where Queen has to get Lance to admit that Laurel is dead. His whole speech about how she was his “rock” is heartbreaking and Blackthorne really sells it.
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Immediately after, Diggle decides to go after Adams. He stoically shoots her two guards and then proceeds to interrogate Ruve. Now, this leads to one of the more questionable moments of the night, where John literally slaps the mayor with his gun. It is an interesting choice that just does not feel like the Diggle we know and love. The writers explain that the character is angry by literally having him say the horrible line, “I’m so angry, I can hardly breath.” But even with his aggression, the action comes across as out of character....

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IGN's review of 419 ("wonderfully acted and very somber episode") - but did not like the fake BC...

ARROW: "CANARY CRY" REVIEW
BY JESSE SCHEDEEN  27 APR 2016
http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/04/28/arrow-canary-cry-review

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It was obvious coming into “Canary Cry” that this episode would be a major dramatic showcase for all the main crew, not just Stephen Amell. It certainly didn’t disappoint in that regard. Both David Ramsey and Paul Blackthorne particularly stood out as their characters worked through a mountain of pain and guilt and disbelief over losing Laurel. For Diggle, that manifested mostly as rage, which he directly rashly (if certainly justifiably) at Ruve Darhk. Seeing Diggle lose control and nearly murder the mayor of Star City easily ranks among the character’s most powerful moments on the show. It’s not just that Laurel was killed, but that his own brother had a direct hand in her death. That’s something that’s clearly going to weigh on Diggle for a long time, and it should be very interesting to see how the Diggle brothers interact when they’re reunited next week.
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All of that made his plight all the more tragic. This is a guy with the unlucky distinction of having to mourn the deaths of his two daughters a total of three times. That kind of trauma has to break a man, and we saw that several times in Blackthorne’s performance. In an episode crammed with emotional gut-punch moments, his scenes with Ollie and his dejected resignation at the funeral were among the gut-punchiest.
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As for Ollie, what stood out most about the character this week was how calm and level-headed he remained through this terrible ordeal. It was clear that he was hurting badly, but he’s unfortunately had more than his fair share of experience in dealing with loss. There’s also the question of what exactly Laurel whispered to him in the hospital and what he knows about her death that he isn’t telling anyone, but that’s apparently not a subject that will be addressed this season. Ollie’s behavior this week was as clear a sign as any we’ve seen this season that he has legitimately grown and matured over the course of the show. Where once the death of a loved one would have caused a downward shame spiral and made Ollie retreat from the world, now he’s more concerned with consoling his friends and putting the Damien Darhk problem to rest once and for all.
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It’s unfortunate given all this good, solid character drama that this episode had to make one significant misstep. The idea of an impostor Black Canary (played by Supernatural’s Madison McLaughlin) was poorly conceived and just plain unnecessary. If the writers wanted more action to offset the character drama, why not focus more on the hunt for Darhk? Watching Ollie get bested by a 16-year-old identity thief didn’t exactly scratch the superhero action bug anyway.

The Evelyn Sharp character raised too many questions and wasn’t developed very well at all. How did she manage to re-purpose Laurel’s sonic weapon? How does being a star gymnast make a teenager qualified to become a gun-toting vigilante? How did she know to show up to Laurel’s funeral at the end? It seems hard to believe the writers couldn’t have found a simpler and more elegant way to jeopardize Laurel’s legacy as Black Canary without randomly shoehorning this half-baked character into the plot.

Apparently Evelyn was inspired by the comic book character and Birds of Prey member Evelyn Crawford (a.k.a. Starling). Between that and her disappearance at the end of the episode, it’s not out of the question that she may play a recurring role on the show. She might even come to inherit the Black Canary mantle legitimately. Based on this episode, though, that’s not an especially enticing possibility.

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Collider's review of 419 (rated it Fair) - but liked the fake BC...‘

Arrow’ Recap: “Canary Cry” – A Canary in the Coal Mine for This Series
BY DAVE TRUMBORE      April 27, 2016
http://collider.com/arrow-recap-canary-cry/

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Katie Cassidy, however, was afforded at least one more go-round with the Arrow cast on tonight’s episode, “Canary Cry”, an hour that had its soap opera knob dialed up to full melodrama. The writers could have used the gap between this and the previous episode to allow Team Arrow to grieve and move on; instead, “Canary Cry” was a grievous example of this show stretching its story for all it’s worth without moving things forward whatsoever. Let’s get into it.
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The new Canary’s origin story was a needed twist to Arrow’s stagnating plot. Unfortunately, it was a mystery that was completely unraveled and explained away in the same episode it was introduced in. Evelyn Sharp was the daughter of an athletically gifted family who was kidnapped and held hostage by Damien Darhk at the Reddington Industrial plant. Though Team Arrow attempted to save them, Evelyn’s parents were ultimately killed. She saw Black Canary in action and decided to pick up her mantle, as well as her sonic device. Evelyn clearly had some technical aptitude since she modified the device to be able to use it (Cisco has previously tuned it to Laurel’s vocal chords so that only she could wield it) and even powered it up to deadly decibel levels.

And yet, this new Canary was brushed aside so easily. Yes, the team was worried about her violent nature tarnishing Sara/Laurel Lance’s run as the various Canaries, but they seemed less concerned with her actually killing someone (ie the Mayor) or with capturing her to turn her over to the authorities. Oh well, I guess the new Canary can live to fight crime another day? I thought for a moment that perhaps The CW was setting up a new, younger generation of Team Arrow members in case of the ultimate fallout, so it’s something we’ll have to keep an eye on in future episodes.
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The scene transitions are normally okay on this show, but the idea that Laurel Lance had a framed picture of an angel-topped tombstone in her house is…strange. Is it supposed to be Tommy’s or are we not supposed to ask questions? (Mustn’t ask us; not it’s business.

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jbuffyangel's review of 419...

YES, LAUREL IS REALLY DEAD: (CANARY CRY) ARROW 4X19 REVIEW 
jbuffyangel   APRIL 28, 2016
http://jbuffyangel.tumblr.com/post/143529304463/yes-laurel-is-really-dead-canary-cry-arrow

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Holy hell. These flashbacks were a hot mess. Honestly, I was so stuck on @fanmommer‘s imagination theory that I couldn’t tell if they were real. They couldn’t possibly be real because THEY MADE ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE. 
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The second the flashback started and Laurel got up to give the eulogy I had to press pause and start yelling at Nick. I don’t read the comics, but I am aware of the 1.5/2.5 comics. Anywho, I stumbled upon a comic book scene from 1.5 in a SDCC magazine. OLIVER GAVE THE EULOGY FOR TOMMY’S FUNERAL. Then he took off for Lian Yu. So color me surprised when Laurel is up there chatting away and Oliver cannot bring himself to even attend. Eh… I’m prepared to let it go.
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Instead, Arrow plops in a whole bunch of Lauriver scenes that make absolutely no sense and don’t remotely match up to what they said in 2x01. 
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So excuse me if I’m side eying his sudden talk about saving Starling City!!!! He NEVER talked about that with Laurel before. Not even once. Worse, Laurel’s not asking, “Gee Oliver. What the mother FUCK are you talking about? You are sounding a lot like that hood guy. You know… the man I BLAME FOR TOMMY’S DEATH!!!”
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But that’s just details and details aren’t real important when we’re in the middle of a Lauriver retconning fan service bonanza. Oh yeah. That’s what it is.
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Fast forward a week. Oliver is in Laurel’s apartment and they are reminiscing about memories of Tommy which turn into “about Laurel” and her class president win. Laurel remarks how she and Oliver made such a great team.
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Pause. REALLY? Ya did? Did you make that great team in between Oliver banging your sister and impregnating Samantha? Just curious. Trying to get my parameters for the walk down Warm and Fuzzy Memory Lane.
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Unpause.  Laurel tells Oliver it’s not too late to save the city and they can do it together. They kiss. Then Laurel says she’s so excited about the future.
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Okay…. just so I’m getting this straight, less than a WEEK after Laurel proclaims her undying love for Tommy at his FUNERAL
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she’s making out with Oliver Queen again and planning their future. 
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Never mind the fact that Tommy’s death is a direct result of Laurel not getting her ass out of CNRI when Quentin and Oliver told her to. Never mind the fact that Tommy sacrificed his life so Laurel could live. Pesky details are a bitch. LAUREL SAID SHE LOVED TOMMY IN EVERY WAY SHE COULD EVER LOVE SOMEONE AT THE FUNERAL. 
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Sure sounded like Laurel was reciprocating Tommy’s declaration to me. So why the hell is she making out with Oliver Queen again?????? Isn’t she suppose to be mourning this man she loved in every way possible?
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What makes even less sense is how this scene matches up to 2x01. Oliver shows up in Starling City and it’s pretty clear he hasn’t seen Laurel since the funeral. He explains he just needed to take off. They haven’t addressed Tommy’s death or their sleeping together yet, which is why THEY ADDRESS IT IN 2x01. 
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Laurel tells Oliver she feels like she betrayed Tommy and that they can never go back. I’m sorry… why didn’t this conversation take place during the week Oliver and Laurel were planning to save the city together as a great team and forever cupcakes? FAIL FAIL FAIL. NO. I REJECT IT ENTIRELY. IT MAKES NO SENSE. 
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Listen, I really don’t have a beef with Oliver telling Laurel that she’s the best of him and that she always saw the good in him. That’s the same shit he was shoveling in Season 1, specifically 1x23, so I don’t see why Oliver would suddenly change his mind in a week.  Laurel did see the best in Oliver, so I don’t mind he’s giving her credit where credit is due.
Here’s the cold hard truth though. When Laurel starts talking about the future Oliver Queen runs screaming in the other direction. AGAIN. HE DID IT AGAIN.
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Did you see Stephen Amell’s face when Laurel said it? 
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Did Oliver come back because he missed Laurel and realized he made a big mistake? No sir! Felicity and Diggle had to drag his ass back. Really fantastic love story here people. I’m blown away from the overwhelming feels.
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Here’s a question… did Laurel start boozing immediately after Oliver left? Or was she nipping some scotch in between all this future planning? I’m just curious because Laurel’s guilt over Tommy’s death was the main catalyst for her drunken spiral in Season 2. She didn’t look too guilty to me in these flashbacks. Her attitude was more or less “Tommy who?” especially in the cozy fire flashback. She spent more time talking about her friggin class president win. But ya know… Laurel loved Tommy more than anything. 
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So, is Oliver jumping ship (pun intended) AGAIN what sent Laurel to the bottle? Is that what triggered her guilt, sorrow and mourning over how Tommy died? If so, another stellar endorsement of their relationship. If not, well… then the flashbacks still make no sense.
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TV.com's review has some really valid criticism of 419...

Arrow "Canary Cry" Review: Remembering to Hope
By Noel Kirkpatrick   April 28, 2016
http://www.tv.com/shows/arrow/community/post/arrow-season-4-episode-19-canary-cry-review-146145229136/

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"Canary Cry" was an awkward episode of Arrow in that it required a lot to be taken on faith. It needed us to believe that a 16-year-old modified a Cisco-developed device in what seemed to amount to a matter of hours. It needed us to believe that the resurrected anti-vigilante task force "came ready to play" even though it let the aforementioned 16-year-old and a guy in a green leather hood just escape. And it needed us to believe that Laurel had a legacy.
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That Laurel had a legacy to be tarnished by Evelyn's actions, however, was a bridge too far, and Arrow only has itself to blame for that. A lot of it boiled down to what I discussed in the "Eleven Fifty-Nine" review regarding the show's steady shifting Laurel into the background. Laurel worked at the legal aid firm C.N.R.I. back in Season 1, but her time there never really came to the forefront. Her work in the district attorney's office similarly never went very deep, whether it was her version of the anti-vigilante task force or, well, her work on the Moira Queen and Damien Darhk cases. As the Black Canary, she clearly had a presence within Star City, but despite gestures toward it, Arrow has never really cared about exploring what Team Arrow's place in the city really means to anyone living there.

So when characters talked about Laurel's legacy, both as a lawyer and as the Black Canary, they're talking about something that we, the audience, largely have no actual sense of. Laurel's service to the city as a district attorney must have happened almost entirely off-screen, and while she may've rose to prominence during Oliver's recuperation from being stabbed and then falling off a mountain and then Oliver heading for Ivy Town with Felicity, it's all just stuff we have to accept because the show's telling us this is the case even though it's never actually shown us all that much to back up its claims.
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Their performances [David Ramsey, Paul Blackthorne]—along with Amell's, who never really fails to sell Oliver's conflict about what he wants to do and what he feels he needs to do—mostly made up for the clunkier, problematic parts of the episode. They didn't fix them, but they did provide something to latch onto, and that's something I needed.
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– Evelyn was... let's say super-loosely based on Evelyn Crawford, a.k.a. Starling in the New 52 incarnation of Birds of Prey. However, everyone involved with the New 52 forgot about Starling (hell, I almost forgot about her), so I'm impressed Arrow remembered.

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ScreenCrush's mixed review of 419...

Review: ‘Arrow’ Has a Good ‘Canary Cry’ Over the Five Stages of Grief
Kevin Fitzpatrick   April 27, 2016
http://screencrush.com/arrow-canary-cry-review/

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It would seem disingenuous not to start by pointing out how awkwardly Arrow has planned this arc from the outset, that where the majority of “Canary Cry” explores different stages of grief (yes, I’m aware the model has been discounted) in the wake of Laurel’s death, the decision to revisit Season 4’s earliest flash-forwards of the event felt wildly out of sync. Nevermind the discrepancy of Barry’s speed (it might return as early as next week); Oliver’s eulogy at Laurel’s funeral ended on a mostly hopeful note, all apparently arriving at a better place, only to awkwardly pivot back toward seething anger to keep continuity with scenes written last summer.
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Arrow is nothing, if not direct with its response to tragedy, and just like Cupid came to town with a vendetta against love the week after Oliver and Felicity broke up, it stands to reason that Season 4’s impulse would produce a (literally) wailing and vengeful Black Canary specter to haunt the team, toying with the concept of legacy. Arrow has rarely found coherent stance on that idea either, as “Canary Cry” wants to foster a sense that Evelyn Sharp’s deeds sully* the Black Canary name, without establishing any compelling counter. After all, we’ve seen team members framed and impersonated on countless occasions by now, all in a city still willing to overlook how close Oliver Queen has been with every single outed hero.

*Ruvé Darhk turning Diggle’s attack into political theater seemed like a foregone conclusion, but you have to wonder why she needs to wait for an actual instance to drag Team Arrow through the mud, or worse, expose their identities outright. It’s only slightly more defensible than Oliver outing Laurel’s identity at the funeral to save face, given that no one, not even the Lances appear to have been consulted, nor were there any press at the event to achieve the intended effect.
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However much CW soap we railed against in early days, I didn’t mind the Oliver and Laurel flashbacks returning to a more lived-in intimacy. Let’s quietly ignore that Oliver appears to have spent the night with Laurel a week after Tommy’s funeral.
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Transition be dammed, past Laurel takes photos of graves and forebodingly hangs them in her apartment.

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Why Arrow's Funeral Scene Could Mean Big Trouble For Oliver
BY LAURA HURLEY  April 27, 2016
http://www.cinemablend.com/television/Why-Arrow-Funeral-Scene-Could-Mean-Big-Trouble-Oliver-134347.html

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... All things considered, Oliver honoring Laurel by outing her as the Black Canary wasn’t the smartest thing that he’s ever done. He may have been able to spin a story about Laurel making a deathbed confession to her pal Ollie, but somebody is going to realize that her buddy, the Green Arrow-shaped Oliver with the Green Arrow-esque scruff, is totally the Green Arrow. Throw in the fact that he’s attending the funeral with the Spartan-shaped Diggle and the Speedy-shaped Thea, and he’s practically advertising that Team Arrow is on the scene. 
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Laurel’s identity as the Black Canary should have remained a secret for practical reasons as well. She may have been one of the good guys, but Laurel was engaging in very illegal activities as the Black Canary. All of the cases that she handled as an assistant district attorney would potentially be tainted by her evening activities going public. Cut-and-dried cases could be reevaluated. Sentences could be overturned. Bad guys could be returned to the streets.

The Arrow interpretation of law and order has never exactly been realistic, and I'm certainly no lawyer, but an assistant district attorney who was secretly a law-breaking vigilante who liked to pound on criminals with blunt objects should cause a lot of problems for Star City. Oliver may have wanted to pay respects the only way he knew how, but criminals who were put away by Laurel’s prosecution probably don’t have the same level of altruism. H.I.V.E. might not be the only batch of bad guys troubling Oliver and Co. in the near future.

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Blastr's matter-of-fact review of 419...

Capt. Lance breaks your heart as we finally reach the flash forward in the latest Arrow
Trent Moore  Thu, Apr 28, 2016 7:45am
http://www.blastr.com/2016-4-28/capt-lance-breaks-your-heart-we-finally-reach-flash-forward-latest-arrow

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It also sets up a very poignant moment between Quentin and Oliver where they both have to finally accept this loss and try to move on. Paul Blackthorne is digging deep for that raw emotion, and positively killing it. He even pulls out an ugly cry. One of the best, and most underrated, performances on this series.
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It’s a bit of a stretch to think this teenage girl (who is admittedly an athlete) can just snag the Canary Cry weapon, manage to actually reprogram it (getting around Cisco’s security, no less), then go on a killing spree and pull off an all-out assault on the mayor. But, it served as a good way to talk about Laurel’s legacy, so we’ll let it slide....
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Oliver also reveals Laurel’s secret identity, which was a nice nod to preserve her legacy as a hero. Though, you do have to wonder if that might get anyone thinking that, hey, that ripped handsome guy who knew she was Black Canary bears a striking resemblance to the Green Arrow… But, I digress.

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Robert Dougherty's positive review of 419 (scored it 8/10 stars)...

Arrow S4: E19 – "Canary Cry"
By Robert Dougherty April 28, 2016 08:27AM EDT
http://www.themovienetwork.com/review/arrow-s4-e19-canary-cry

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While the first scene in the present is set seconds after Laurel's death, the first second of the episode is set three years earlier. To those Tommy and "Merlance" fans upset that Laurel said Oliver would always be the love of her life, the chance to see Laurel give Tommy's eulogy in place of Oliver seems to be the show's apology. Nonetheless, the flashbacks don't end there, which is the one downside of Laurel's farewell.

Canary Cry gives a Laureliver friendly retcon as a final bone to those long suffering fans, in showing that Oliver did see Laurel a few times before leaving for Lian Yu after the Undertaking. Since the promos for the episode showed Oliver and Laurel kissing, it raises cringe worthy fears that they had sex one more time before Oliver's departure, as if their last time wasn't devastating enough.

While it doesn't go that far, it is a bit cringy that Laurel is looking ahead to a future with Oliver, just a week after Tommy's death. Of course, since Laurel would start an alcohol and pill fueled downfall months later, there is context for her not thinking so straight even that early on. And for those Laureliver fans looking for one last desperate silver lining, the fact Oliver did leave Laurel for Lian Yu instead of staying with her, and the fact that the last we'll see of Katie Cassidy on Arrow is her crying over Oliver's goodbye note, doesn't seem like much of a fond farewell.

Eleven Fifty Nine didn't go as far as it should have to give Laurel a heroic goodbye. In this case, Canary Cry throws everything but the kitchen sink to make sure and to tell us that Laurel will be remembered as a hero, yet it comes across much better when Laurel herself isn't around.

Once again, they have so many people remembering and honoring Laurel and telling us to do the same, while forgetting to give Laurel herself some heroic and honorable material. For all these tributes, the last we'll ever see of her in person is moments of her during one of her lowest and least heroic points, which somewhat undercuts the whole strategy. Perhaps it was meant as a bit of closure for Laureliver, as if their bedside finale didn't do that, but that ship sunk long long ago.
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While Oliver's behavior in the wake of Laurel's death is meant to be a contrast to how he handled Tommy's death, it also serves as a contrast to the last episode where a Lance sister died. Back in Sara, Oliver also tried to keep things together to find a Lance's killer, and also had a scene with a grieving Felicity not long after their own relationship plummeted. Yet while the Oliver in Sara goes above and beyond to close himself off, the Oliver who talks to Felicity in Canary Cry when she shares her grief is more open, at least enough to share why he beats himself up over and over after every tragedy.
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Tragic ironies, outcomes and mournful moments like that make up much of Canary Cry, to the point of making it the best Arrow episode in some time, if not in all of 2016. Even so, it says something that it took Laurel dying to do it, and it says something a bit more troubling that the Laurel they want us to mourn is honored much better when she isn’t on screen.

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10 minutes ago, wonderwall said:

LOL the amount of Laurel in this is kind of hilarious :p

At first I thought the CW actually made an Arrow-only promo and I nearly keeled over from shock.

Also, multiple shots of Laurel, but not one of Sara? Whatever, CW.

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EW's recap of 419...

Arrow recap: 'Canary Cry'
BY JONATHON DORNBUSH April 27 2016 — 10:57 PM EDT
http://www.ew.com/recap/arrow-season-4-episode-19

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And surprisingly for the guy who blames himself for nearly every single thing that’s happened over the last four years, Oliver is perhaps the most focused on the task at hand. Diggle is wracked with guilt over trusting his brother rather than Oliver, only to have Andy betray the entire team. He tells this all to Felicity, who later reveals to Oliver she also feels guilty about Laurel’s death, having not been part of the team to help, as well as for letting Diggle go on blaming himself while she did nothing to comfort him.

In perhaps a sign the two are inching toward reconciliation, Oliver tries to connect with her in this moment by telling her that this is why he always blames himself, again, for every single thing — at least it gives reason to the unreasonable. There’s not always an explanation for life’s worst occurrences. Sometimes, loved ones just die, and no one is really to blame, which makes the appeal of blaming yourself all the more palatable.

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TV Fanatic's review of 419 (note the reviewer is not Carissa Pavlica)...

Arrow Season 4 Episode 19 Review: Canary Cry
Lisa Babick    April 28, 2016 
http://www.tvfanatic.com/2016/04/arrow-season-4-episode-19-review-canary-cry/

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It was kind of surprising (and a little creepy) that Evelyn was present during Laurel's funeral, hiding in the trees. A couple of times I thought that we were being set up for Evelyn to somehow become part of Team Arrow. It almost seemed like the question was on the tip of Oliver's tongue during a few of their interactions.
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Still, it was strange that Evelyn was there at all. Is she a one-time deal or is there more to come?

I'm not really sure why there had to be a Black Canary at all during this hour. It certainly wasn't what I was expecting. Was it to show that Laurel's persona inspired others, like Diggle said?

I think the hour would have been better spent showing all the great things Laurel did during the last four seasons.

For a show that loves its flashbacks, it could've come up with something a lot more interesting than the flashbacks that were shown. A copycat Canary, and Oliver flashbacks didn't seem to do her justice.

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20 minutes ago, lemotomato said:

At first I thought the CW actually made an Arrow-only promo and I nearly keeled over from shock.

Also, multiple shots of Laurel, but not one of Sara? Whatever, CW.

Yeah it was definitely done by a Laurel lover. Sara speaks in the the promo but isn't shown :(

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Two Examiner reviews of 419...

'Arrow' 4x19 'Canary Cry' Review: Destroying a legacy 
Allison Nichols   April 27, 2016 8:05 PM MST
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The flashbacks were more about Laurel and Oliver’s relationship than they were about Laurel. We saw her mourning the loss of Tommy and turning to a past love, Oliver, for comfort. Also, please explain how a week after Tommy’s funeral, Laurel and Oliver are kissing. It doesn’t make sense.

There was one moment where you could tell that the goal was to show that Laurel has always wanted to save the world. There was one line conveying as much. If that was the goal of the flashbacks, then let’s see Laurel kicking some butt as a lawyer and fighting against the system. Let’s see more of her early days as the Black Canary or more of her debating whether putting on the mask is a good idea.

Tommy’s funeral and the week afterwards was such a weird time to focus on. It didn’t make any sense why we would be taken back to that moment and time. The flashbacks mainly showed why Oliver went back to the island, so they became about him and not Laurel. If anything, the flashbacks hurt Laurel and the legacy she left behind. What did you think of the flashbacks?

'Arrow' recap: The Black Canary's legacy  
Meredith Jacobs  April 27, 2016 8:49 PM MST
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But before they can bury Laurel, they have to protect her legacy, and that means stopping the girl (who walked right by them in the hospital and no one noticed her) going around dressed as the Black Canary, screaming her way (without an explanation as to how she managed to reconfigure the sonic device that Cisco supposedly keyed to only Laurel's vocal chords – could HIVE be behind it to get the city to turn on the team or is that a crazy theory?) and waving a gun at those she feels have wronged her, namely, Ruve Darhk and the team because she lost her parents to Damien Darhk. (Evelyn may have screamed more in each scene than Laurel did the entire time she was Black Canary. It's more than a bit too much.)

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Yahoo TV's review of 419...

'Arrow' Recap: A Tale of Two Funerals
Robert Chan   April 28, 2016
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/arrow-recap-a-tale-of-two-funerals-115611609.html

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In the aftermath of Laurel Lance’s death, the team tries to cope as an imposter Black Canary roams the streets. The episode drags a bit — what with pretty much everyone blaming themselves for Laurel’s death — but an amazing performance by Paul Blackthorne keeps her loss fresh and moving in a way you might not expect from a comic book show.
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It’s almost unfair how much better Paul Blackthorne is than the rest of the cast in situations like this. Maybe he has an advantage of better material because losing a child is generally agreed to be the worst grief a person can feel, but his breakdown as Oliver tries to stop Quentin — when he says, “She’s my rock! She was my rock” — is Emmy-worthy. 
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Evelyn Crawford first appeared during the “New 52” event as the superhero Starling in Birds of Prey. Created by Duane Swierczynski, she is brought onto the all-female team by Black Canary. But despite critical and audience praise, she fell victim to multiple changes on the book’s creative team and disappeared just a couple years later. Could the character’s redemption be at hand? Her arc this episode and subsequent escape seems tailor-made for her joining Team Arrow permanently.
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“It’s not just magic; it’s darkness.” Sure, it’s a common word, but do you think this has any connection to Zoom’s, “You can’t lock up the darkness,” over on The Flash?


 

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8 minutes ago, lemotomato said:

I wonder if this means Carissa's going to follow through with her promise that she's not going to watch the show anymore if they killed of LL

One can only hope! 

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‘Arrow’: Oliver turns Laurel’s death into pro-vigilante propaganda
BY CHRIS E. HAYNER AT 06:04 PM ON APR 27, 2016
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While he was able to undo some of the damage the temporary Canary inflicted, it did seem a bit strange to out Laurel like that at her own funeral — and then engrave “The Black Canary” on her tombstone. It was clearly a PR move to keep the city from hating Team Arrow, but perhaps standing next to her casket wasn’t the place to do it.
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Laurel kept her two lives separate for a reason and was prepared to leave the Canary persona behind. Eternally connecting her to that identity might not be what she would have wanted in death.

Using her funeral as a pedestal to extol how what he and his friends are doing in the streets is a good thing — regardless of whether you think it is — is selfish.

Besides, by outing her as the Black Canary he potentially sheds an unwanted spotlight on the team. Those who don’t know the identity of the Green Arrow can now look for someone connected to Laurel. That puts the lot of them in danger, given everything they’re going through at the moment.

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BuddyTV's review of 419...

'Arrow' Recap: Does the Black Canary Rise Again?
Derek Stauffer   April 27, 2016
http://www.buddytv.com/articles/arrow/arrow-recap-does-the-black-can-59770.aspx

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Ever since Arrow went though with revealing who is in the grave, a certain section of the internet has been in an uproar. Whether it is a vocal minority or an actual majority, fans are not happy that Arrow killed off Laurel Lance seeing the death as everything from poorly written to downright offensive. On TV though sometimes the aftermath of a big character's death can be just important as the actual event. In "Canary Cry" Arrow picks up right after Laurel's death and it is quite an emotional roller coaster.
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The same flash forward scene that closed out the premiere plays out next. Oliver is seen with Barry Allen standing in front of Laurel's grave. Though we already all know how this scene goes because we all watched it approximately 50 times trying to pick up clues about who was in the grave. (Oh wait ... that was just me and it was totally unhealthy.)

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