Criminal Minds Unpopular Opinions

[walnutqueen]

On 10/18/2018 at 5:49 PM, kathyk24 said:

I think I have the unpopular opinion to top them all. Reid is my least favorite character. I think he's boring and I though his 'romance" with Maeve was a joke. Reid needs someone to tell him when he's wrong. Reid never should have tried to care for his mother on his own especially since his job required travelling. I don't understand the hatred JJ gets I don't think she's a mean girl and I haven't noticed a change in her personality since she came back. I love Prentiss and think she's doing fine as Unit Chief.

Reid is at the top of my "least favorites", too - right next to Garcia.

7 hours ago, K42 said:

*Explodes*

Instant replay.   ;-)

[mefein]

1 hour ago, walnutqueen said:

Reid is at the top of my "least favorites", too - right next to Garcia.

Instant replay.   ;-)

I think they've all suffered a bit from poor writing. I'm only going to comment on what I call my oldies. I don't care enough about the newbies. 

The Garcia character has always somewhat annoyed me, but if you'd asked me back a few seasons ago when the real CM team was there, if she should go, I'd have said no. Because she was part of the team. In recent seasons, she's just been...? I'd like to say we can blame the writers but I wonder. I read an interview with KV wherein she said something along the lines of ' she can change lines around or add lines'. Interesting and slightly ironic....

Reid was always a character I liked but grew frustrated with - this is down to the writers, because I just don't think any of them can write for him. I loved his relationship with Blake, though it was woefully underused. I'm sticking with my view that Matt has a foot out the door even if this blind article is not about him. 

Rossi I always liked. I'd have liked to see more of him and Hotch..outside the bureau. JM has been the best thing about CM of late. 

JJ, I don't really get the hate some have for the character. I didn't particularly like the change from liaison to super girl, and if anything I think her character has now been shamefully sidelined. I've always liked AJ. 

And now we get to Prentiss. She was never a favourite but I liked her as part of the old team. 

I disagree wholeheartedly that she fits as UC and I'm not alone on that. 

Now full disclosure, my views on this are slightly skewed because of the Hotch situation, but if I'm honest, it's because I don't like the actress. Im not going to go further into it, it's from personal experience. I was a big fan and then somethings happened which irrevocably coloured my views on PB. And before anyone assumes it's to do with Hotch/TG, not at all (not suprised though). No my feelings re PB were formed long before that. I don't believe she should have come back ever. This goes back quite some time. 

Im sure there will be some who have an issue with that, but it's my personal opinion and seeing as this is the unpopular opinions tab...?

[Hotchgirl18]

3 hours ago, mefein said:

I think they've all suffered a bit from poor writing. I'm only going to comment on what I call my oldies. I don't care enough about the newbies. 

The Garcia character has always somewhat annoyed me, but if you'd asked me back a few seasons ago when the real CM team was there, if she should go, I'd have said no. Because she was part of the team. In recent seasons, she's just been...? I'd like to say we can blame the writers but I wonder. I read an interview with KV wherein she said something along the lines of ' she can change lines around or add lines'. Interesting and slightly ironic....

Reid was always a character I liked but grew frustrated with - this is down to the writers, because I just don't think any of them can write for him. I loved his relationship with Blake, though it was woefully underused. I'm sticking with my view that Matt has a foot out the door even if this blind article is not about him. 

Rossi I always liked. I'd have liked to see more of him and Hotch..outside the bureau. JM has been the best thing about CM of late. 

JJ, I don't really get the hate some have for the character. I didn't particularly like the change from liaison to super girl, and if anything I think her character has now been shamefully sidelined. I've always liked AJ. 

And now we get to Prentiss. She was never a favourite but I liked her as part of the old team. 

I disagree wholeheartedly that she fits as UC and I'm not alone on that. 

Now full disclosure, my views on this are slightly skewed because of the Hotch situation, but if I'm honest, it's because I don't like the actress. Im not going to go further into it, it's from personal experience. I was a big fan and then somethings happened which irrevocably coloured my views on PB. And before anyone assumes it's to do with Hotch/TG, not at all (not suprised though). No my feelings re PB were formed long before that. I don't believe she should have come back ever. This goes back quite some time. 

Im sure there will be some who have an issue with that, but it's my personal opinion and seeing as this is the unpopular opinions tab...?

The season premiere should've began with the cult sacrificing Prentiss. We wouldn't have to deal with her. She was fine when she was a part of the old team. Her "team" is a bunch of chickens running around and a panda bear is leading them. 

[Blackbird999999lol]

21 hours ago, mefein said:

I think they've all suffered a bit from poor writing. I'm only going to comment on what I call my oldies. I don't care enough about the newbies. 

The Garcia character has always somewhat annoyed me, but if you'd asked me back a few seasons ago when the real CM team was there, if she should go, I'd have said no. Because she was part of the team. In recent seasons, she's just been...? I'd like to say we can blame the writers but I wonder. I read an interview with KV wherein she said something along the lines of ' she can change lines around or add lines'. Interesting and slightly ironic....

Reid was always a character I liked but grew frustrated with - this is down to the writers, because I just don't think any of them can write for him. I loved his relationship with Blake, though it was woefully underused. I'm sticking with my view that Matt has a foot out the door even if this blind article is not about him. 

Rossi I always liked. I'd have liked to see more of him and Hotch..outside the bureau. JM has been the best thing about CM of late. 

JJ, I don't really get the hate some have for the character. I didn't particularly like the change from liaison to super girl, and if anything I think her character has now been shamefully sidelined. I've always liked AJ. 

And now we get to Prentiss. She was never a favourite but I liked her as part of the old team. 

I disagree wholeheartedly that she fits as UC and I'm not alone on that. 

Now full disclosure, my views on this are slightly skewed because of the Hotch situation, but if I'm honest, it's because I don't like the actress. Im not going to go further into it, it's from personal experience. I was a big fan and then somethings happened which irrevocably coloured my views on PB. And before anyone assumes it's to do with Hotch/TG, not at all (not suprised though). No my feelings re PB were formed long before that. I don't believe she should have come back ever. This goes back quite some time. 

Im sure there will be some who have an issue with that, but it's my personal opinion and seeing as this is the unpopular opinions tab...?

JJ has been shamefully sidelined since S10. She gets one centric episode every 2 years. Literally.
10x11 - The Forever People was about JJ
The next episode that was about her was 12x02 - Sick Day
and now she gets one ep in S14.

And that's it.
Maybe AJ wants less screentime because of the hate she's been getting from irrelevant trolls. She was scared to do interviews about her episode '200" because she was afraid that the JJ haters were not going to watch it. Actually, 200 = one of the most watched episodes of the entire series with the highest ratings.

Edited October 22, 2018 by Blackbird999999lol
i cant speek englis

[Guest]

Please remember this thread is not meant for arguing or laughing at other people's opinions, it's a place where people can express their unpopular opinions without having to defend them or hear why they are wrong.

[Hotchgirl18]

3 hours ago, Blackbird999999lol said:

JJ has been shamefully sidelined since S10. She gets one centric episode every 2 years. Literally.
10x11 - The Forever People was about JJ
The next episode that was about her was 12x02 - Sick Day
and now she gets one ep in S14.

And that's it.
Maybe AJ wants less screentime because of the hate she's been getting from irrelevant trolls. She was scared to do interviews about her episode '200" because she was afraid that the JJ haters were not going to watch it. Actually, 200 = one of the most watched episodes of the entire series with the highest ratings.

And 200 is considered by many to be the worst episode of the entire season because of blatant continuity errors, torture porn, among other things. 

[Blackbird999999lol]

7 minutes ago, Hotchgirl18 said:

And 200 is considered by many to be the worst episode of the entire season because of blatant continuity errors, torture porn, among other things. 

AJ was afraid that '200' being about her character would affect the ratings badly and she was very cautious when talking about it in interviews.
200 turned out to be the most watched episode of the entire 9th season. I would say, she was wrong.

I know, some people like to bring her down, but I wouldn't call them "many people". There are 5 or 6 people saying the same things over and over again. 

[K42]

I don't know if this is an unpopular opinion, but I HATE when anyone uses "Wheels Up in X".
 

THAT'S HOTCH'S LINE!

THAT'S HOTCH'S LINE!

THAT'S HOTCH'S LINE!

THAT'S HOTCH'S LINE!

THAT'S HOTCH'S LINE!

THAT'S HOTCH'S LINE!

[Hotchgirl18]

On 12/8/2018 at 5:44 AM, K42 said:

I don't know if this is an unpopular opinion, but I HATE when anyone uses "Wheels Up in X".
 

THAT'S HOTCH'S LINE!

THAT'S HOTCH'S LINE!

THAT'S HOTCH'S LINE!

THAT'S HOTCH'S LINE!

THAT'S HOTCH'S LINE!

THAT'S HOTCH'S LINE!

Well, they stole his position, so of course they're gonna steal his line. 

[Pebble Puppy]

1) It's been how many years since Hotch has left? Can we move on yet? 

2) The women are either poor actresses or their roles are flat and written poorly. The men's characters seem to have dimension and they find actors that play the role well. The women can't even speak with emotion or crack a smile. It's boring. 

3) I guess they got tired of hearing "Bring Shemar back" so they found a love interest for Emily that sort of looks like him. Lol Good try. 

I don't know. I used to like the show and it has nothing to do with characters leaving. Maybe it's the writing? Maybe it's the acting? 

Edited December 13, 2018 by Pebble Puppy

[K42]

25 minutes ago, Pebble Puppy said:

1) It's been how many years since Hotch has left? Can we move on yet? 

2) The women are either poor actresses or their roles are flat and written poorly. The men's characters seem to have dimension and they find actors that play the role well. The women can't even speak with emotion or crack a smile. It's boring. 

3) I guess they got tired of hearing "Bring Shemar back" so they found a love interest for Emily that sort of looks like him. Lol Good try. 

I don't know. I used to like the show and it has nothing to do with characters leaving. Maybe it's the writing? Maybe it's the acting? 

He left years ago but it doesn't mean we miss him any less. His hashtag still trends every now and then and that says something more than just "bring him back". The show noticeably went downhill shortly after he left. Yes, it's a tired show but the team got a bit fractured without him. Anyway, let those who miss him be.

[Pebble Puppy]

10 minutes ago, K42 said:

He left years ago but it doesn't mean we miss him any less. His hashtag still trends every now and then and that says something more than just "bring him back". The show noticeably went downhill shortly after he left. Yes, it's a tired show but the team got a bit fractured without him. Anyway, let those who miss him be.

I understand that people miss a character. More than that though, I respect the fact that the writers and directors of the show chose not to keep an entitled actor employed that felt it was ok to punch someone when he was angry. That doesn't make for a good work environment or set a good example to anyone. I also believe people would have been more angry if they would have replaced the character with a different actor. 

[Chaos Theory]

On 10/22/2018 at 1:54 PM, Hotchgirl18 said:

And 200 is considered by many to be the worst episode of the entire season because of blatant continuity errors, torture porn, among other things. 

And yet I can’t help but feel the beloved and honored Reid had been the center of the episode people would be gushing about the episode.  

[Mislav]

21 minutes ago, Chaos Theory said:

And yet I can’t help but feel the beloved and honored Reid had been the center of the episode people would be gushing about the episode.  

I wouldn't. And if that was the case, most of the Reid fans would have probably been overjoyed by his prison arc in season 12. But it seems like most of them had exactly the opposite reaction.

Please tell me what you enjoyed about "200"? I'm not saying one can't like it but saying that people only hate it because it's JJ-centric is a weak argument.

[Chaos Theory]

1 hour ago, Mislav said:

I wouldn't. And if that was the case, most of the Reid fans would have probably been overjoyed by his prison arc in season 12. But it seems like most of them had exactly the opposite reaction.

Please tell me what you enjoyed about "200"? I'm not saying one can't like it but saying that people only hate it because it's JJ-centric is a weak argument.

Do I think it’s a best episode ever?  No.  I thought it was a good showcase for AJ Cook’s acting and a good reason for why she disappeared for awhile that made more sense then “State Department wants a secretary” or whatever the reason originally was.  Having someone with some informal training was an interesting storyline.  The only thing JJ ever really lacked was the formal certification which she got later.  

My major issue though was beyond anyone’s control and had more to do with Cooks second pregnancy so there was no follow through to what looked like a fascinating story.   I am a fan of downward spiral stories and AJ Cook has always been my favorite character on the show so I would have loved to see a few episodes of a spiral.  Not that I think the show would have written it well...but to blame it on her.....

Edited December 13, 2018 by Chaos Theory

[Danielg342]

4 hours ago, Chaos Theory said:

I am a fan of downward spiral stories and AJ Cook has always been my favorite character on the show so I would have loved to see a few episodes of a spiral.  Not that I think the show would have written it well...but to blame it on her.....

I, too, enjoyed "200" mostly because I found it better than the sum of its parts. It was just a fun thrill that sold just enough for it to work, just like "Mayhem" did. I also thought AJ Cook did pretty well since the "damsel in distress" plays more to her strengths.

There was a time, I admit, that I didn't like JJ or Cook, and looking back, it had a lot to do with the writers taking JJ into directions that just didn't fit Cook's strengths. Cook is not a "badass, take no prisoners, supermom", so it was tough for me to accept her in that role. There was also the sense that JJ seemed to "improve" too quickly- they devoted, what, a few episodes in S7 to her training and suddenly she's a kickass agent who knows everything there is to know about profiling, ever? C'mon. That stuff should have taken a few seasons, or, at the very least, be the ongoing story throughout an entire season, and even then, she shouldn't be "the best".

The change for me occurred in S11, after JJ came back from her second pregnancy. That was when they stopped trying to sell JJ as a badass and instead wrote her as a cynical, troubled soul who cares a lot about kids not just because she's a mother but because of her own tortured past with her sister. Now, while I'm not going to call the performance Emmy-worthy, this newer, jaded JJ clicks with me far more than the old one did, not just because she's shed the obvious "Mary Sue"-ness about her character but because I think Cook herself actually feels like she's got something to dig her teeth into. There's this whole "weight of the world" thing that JJ has going for her right now, and Cook seems to be revelling in the thought of exploring it.

I think back to the Barnes arc the show completely dropped the ball on. I'm sure if that were a S7 or S8 arc, JJ would have been unflinching, finding all the information that would have destroyed Barnes, kicking her ass (and several others) and being "the knight in shining armour" to save the day for an otherwise flustered BAU.

Instead, we had a JJ that was clearly in over her head, someone who wanted so desperately to rebel against Barnes only for her attempt to blow up in her face. If the arc wasn't so poorly written, I'd say it would have been her shining moment, since "overwhelmed" JJ is JJ at her best. It's why I rank "Sick Day" (what I consider JJ's true highwater mark) as high as I do- because that episode truly brought out the "weight of the world" JJ that I have so thoroughly enjoyed.

6 hours ago, Pebble Puppy said:

I understand that people miss a character. More than that though, I respect the fact that the writers and directors of the show chose not to keep an entitled actor employed that felt it was ok to punch someone when he was angry.

I think the thing for me is that, while I can't support what Thomas Gibson himself did (if I was to punch someone at work, I'd get fired too, and rightly so), the show has truly botched replacing him. I grant that the show was put in between a rock and a hard place by what Gibson did, but what has happened since has been disappointing. I'll give the writers a pass for S12 because I'm sure they were scrambling to figure out how to retool the team and that's not easy to do, but I would have liked to think by the time S13 rolls around they're back to knowing what they're doing.

Quite frankly, it's clear to me that they're not. I understand the writers likely didn't want Prentiss to be a "Hotch 2.0" but the issue is that they don't write her as an effective boss, period. She disciplines characters and then rescinds that discipline in the next episode. She dilly-dallied in assisting a fallen teammate, making him wait in peril when, once she finally got the team into gear, they solved his case rather easily. She is inconsistent with her punishments, letting some of her team "go rogue" while not giving others a pass. She cares very little about actual protocol and procedures, so much that even the most positive of assessments would say she's oblivious to them. She manages the team haphazardly at best, and many times it feels like she has no control over them. Her case management is just as bad, since her decisions are random and she does very little to interact with the locals...unless they're a love interest, that is.

I could go on, but I think I've made my point.

Truth is, I dismiss much of that because of poor writing, which often takes me right out of the episodes. Lately, more often than not, CM has been guided by the "because, plot" mentality of writing that nothing at all feels real, and Prentiss is merely just a part of that. There is no consistency because the writers now simply don't care for it and are hoping we don't notice when we do. Even if these episodes had Hotch instead of Prentiss, they likely wouldn't improve by much because the writing problems are still there.

Having said that, I do believe Thomas Gibson sold being a leader more than Paget Brewster ever has. Maybe part of that is that Brewster is confused and doesn't really know how to play her character anymore (who does these days on CM?), because it confounds me that someone who I believed should be leadership material (Prentiss) is flopping so badly at it. I can only speculate and believe that Brewster has far less input into her character than Gibson does, which is why she just "goes with the flow" and doesn't challenge the writers when her character behaves in strange ways. Brewster, in interviews, always felt like a "free spirit" and I would guess it's not in her nature to "rock the boat"- her nature is to "go with it" and, if things get tough, find another gig because the stress of fighting is often not worth it. Maybe she- like most of the cast, I bet- feel that CM is on their last legs so there's no point getting worked up over their characters or the stories because the show is going to end soon anyway- "might as well pick up the paycheques while we've got 'em", I'm sure they say.

I can only guess. In truth, I don't know if I have a lot of answers other than "it just hasn't worked" when it comes to Prentiss replacing Hotch, since I know Prentiss can be better.

[Pebble Puppy]

18 minutes ago, Danielg342 said:

I, too, enjoyed "200" mostly because I found it better than the sum of its parts. It was just a fun thrill that sold just enough for it to work, just like "Mayhem" did. I also thought AJ Cook did pretty well since the "damsel in distress" plays more to her strengths.

There was a time, I admit, that I didn't like JJ or Cook, and looking back, it had a lot to do with the writers taking JJ into directions that just didn't fit Cook's strengths. Cook is not a "badass, take no prisoners, supermom", so it was tough for me to accept her in that role. There was also the sense that JJ seemed to "improve" too quickly- they devoted, what, a few episodes in S7 to her training and suddenly she's a kickass agent who knows everything there is to know about profiling, ever? C'mon. That stuff should have taken a few seasons, or, at the very least, be the ongoing story throughout an entire season, and even then, she shouldn't be "the best".

The change for me occurred in S11, after JJ came back from her second pregnancy. That was when they stopped trying to sell JJ as a badass and instead wrote her as a cynical, troubled soul who cares a lot about kids not just because she's a mother but because of her own tortured past with her sister. Now, while I'm not going to call the performance Emmy-worthy, this newer, jaded JJ clicks with me far more than the old one did, not just because she's shed the obvious "Mary Sue"-ness about her character but because I think Cook herself actually feels like she's got something to dig her teeth into. There's this whole "weight of the world" thing that JJ has going for her right now, and Cook seems to be revelling in the thought of exploring it.

I think back to the Barnes arc the show completely dropped the ball on. I'm sure if that were a S7 or S8 arc, JJ would have been unflinching, finding all the information that would have destroyed Barnes, kicking her ass (and several others) and being "the knight in shining armour" to save the day for an otherwise flustered BAU.

Instead, we had a JJ that was clearly in over her head, someone who wanted so desperately to rebel against Barnes only for her attempt to blow up in her face. If the arc wasn't so poorly written, I'd say it would have been her shining moment, since "overwhelmed" JJ is JJ at her best. It's why I rank "Sick Day" (what I consider JJ's true highwater mark) as high as I do- because that episode truly brought out the "weight of the world" JJ that I have so thoroughly enjoyed.

I think the thing for me is that, while I can't support what Thomas Gibson himself did (if I was to punch someone at work, I'd get fired too, and rightly so), the show has truly botched replacing him. I grant that the show was put in between a rock and a hard place by what Gibson did, but what has happened since has been disappointing. I'll give the writers a pass for S12 because I'm sure they were scrambling to figure out how to retool the team and that's not easy to do, but I would have liked to think by the time S13 rolls around they're back to knowing what they're doing.

Quite frankly, it's clear to me that they're not. I understand the writers likely didn't want Prentiss to be a "Hotch 2.0" but the issue is that they don't write her as an effective boss, period. She disciplines characters and then rescinds that discipline in the next episode. She dilly-dallied in assisting a fallen teammate, making him wait in peril when, once she finally got the team into gear, they solved his case rather easily. She is inconsistent with her punishments, letting some of her team "go rogue" while not giving others a pass. She cares very little about actual protocol and procedures, so much that even the most positive of assessments would say she's oblivious to them. She manages the team haphazardly at best, and many times it feels like she has no control over them. Her case management is just as bad, since her decisions are random and she does very little to interact with the locals...unless they're a love interest, that is.

I could go on, but I think I've made my point.

Truth is, I dismiss much of that because of poor writing, which often takes me right out of the episodes. Lately, more often than not, CM has been guided by the "because, plot" mentality of writing that nothing at all feels real, and Prentiss is merely just a part of that. There is no consistency because the writers now simply don't care for it and are hoping we don't notice when we do. Even if these episodes had Hotch instead of Prentiss, they likely wouldn't improve by much because the writing problems are still there.

Having said that, I do believe Thomas Gibson sold being a leader more than Paget Brewster ever has. Maybe part of that is that Brewster is confused and doesn't really know how to play her character anymore (who does these days on CM?), because it confounds me that someone who I believed should be leadership material (Prentiss) is flopping so badly at it. I can only speculate and believe that Brewster has far less input into her character than Gibson does, which is why she just "goes with the flow" and doesn't challenge the writers when her character behaves in strange ways. Brewster, in interviews, always felt like a "free spirit" and I would guess it's not in her nature to "rock the boat"- her nature is to "go with it" and, if things get tough, find another gig because the stress of fighting is often not worth it. Maybe she- like most of the cast, I bet- feel that CM is on their last legs so there's no point getting worked up over their characters or the stories because the show is going to end soon anyway- "might as well pick up the paycheques while we've got 'em", I'm sure they say.

I can only guess. In truth, I don't know if I have a lot of answers other than "it just hasn't worked" when it comes to Prentiss replacing Hotch, since I know Prentiss can be better.

I think you have made a very good point. Maybe these actors are just so thrilled to have a job that they don't challenge the writers about the characters themselves and hope we won't care or notice and just be happy with the storyline. This has me thinking....could that has been what Thomas Gibson was angry about? I don't know who he punched or why. 

[Danielg342]

36 minutes ago, Pebble Puppy said:

This has me thinking....could that has been what Thomas Gibson was angry about? I don't know who he punched or why. 

My understanding is that Gibson was directing S12E03 and he had a disagreement with a writer- Virgil Williams, who quit the show after S13- over a plot point (and Gibson reacted with a kick, not a punch). It could have been how a character- perhaps Hotch- acted.

[Pebble Puppy]

49 minutes ago, Danielg342 said:

My understanding is that Gibson was directing S12E03 and he had a disagreement with a writer- Virgil Williams, who quit the show after S13- over a plot point (and Gibson reacted with a kick, not a punch). It could have been how a character- perhaps Hotch- acted.

Thank you. Well, Gibson may have been right in that he wasn't happy with how his character was being written and now the other actors are afraid to speak up because they saw what resulted....they know the real/whole story. Maybe they are hoping the ratings will show how the viewers feel about the storylines. Characters need depth in order to be believable and for viewers to make that connection. I think it's all unbelievable from the way Prentiss leads the team to the way Garcia dresses ( did you see how low cut her dress was last night?), to the way the team speaks to Reid as if he's a child. So much seems unprofessional to me and it wouldn't be permitted in real life. I wonder if MGG is pursuing other endevors because he knows things we don't or he's not happy there?

[MrWhyt]

23 hours ago, Hotchgirl18 said:

Well, they stole his position, so of course they're gonna steal his line. 

it was hardly a theft, the character resigned and the actor was fired.

[jls1792]

3 hours ago, Pebble Puppy said:

I think you have made a very good point. Maybe these actors are just so thrilled to have a job that they don't challenge the writers about the characters themselves and hope we won't care or notice and just be happy with the storyline. This has me thinking....could that has been what Thomas Gibson was angry about? I don't know who he punched or why. 

 

3 hours ago, Danielg342 said:

My understanding is that Gibson was directing S12E03 and he had a disagreement with a writer- Virgil Williams, who quit the show after S13- over a plot point (and Gibson reacted with a kick, not a punch). It could have been how a character- perhaps Hotch- acted.

 

Back when the incident happened, a lot of people speculated it was a clash between writer and director and that Thomas was directing the episode at the time of the incident.  However, that wasn't it.  I believe Thomas was supposed to direct episode 4.  The incident between Thomas and Virgil occurred during filming of episode 2.

I think I read somewhere (and maybe TG addressed it in his People interview) that the original dispute was over a line that cause a continuity issue.  Supposedly, Thomas brought the issue up to Virgil, they argued, Thomas walked away, Virgil followed him, and then the kick happened.

I believe it was on IMDB (back when they still had a message board) that a few people posted that they did notice a continuity issue in that episode (12x02 Sick Day)

[Danielg342]

12 hours ago, jls1792 said:

I think I read somewhere (and maybe TG addressed it in his People interview) that the original dispute was over a line that cause a continuity issue.

I believe it was on IMDB (back when they still had a message board) that a few people posted that they did notice a continuity issue in that episode (12x02 Sick Day).

Do you remember what that was?

[jls1792]

6 hours ago, Danielg342 said:

Do you remember what that was?

 

I actually looked through another message board I'm on and I had commented on it there.  It had something to do with when the team gave the profile, they said the unsub they would be looking for wouldn't have been convicted of arson, but later in the episode, they found out who the unsub was by looking through a list of people convicted of arson.

I haven't seen that episode since it aired, so I'm not sure how accurate that is.

Looking through the Sick Day thread on this other message board, someone else also noticed that Hotch had a weird request for Garcia: to search within a 15 mile radius of boys who have brown hair.  As these posters pointed out, that's kind of a weird thing to search and narrow down, since I'm sure there would be A LOT of people with brown hair.

[Danielg342]

4 hours ago, jls1792 said:

I actually looked through another message board I'm on and I had commented on it there.  It had something to do with when the team gave the profile, they said the unsub they would be looking for wouldn't have been convicted of arson, but later in the episode, they found out who the unsub was by looking through a list of people convicted of arson.

I haven't seen that episode since it aired, so I'm not sure how accurate that is.

Looking through the Sick Day thread on this other message board, someone else also noticed that Hotch had a weird request for Garcia: to search within a 15 mile radius of boys who have brown hair.  As these posters pointed out, that's kind of a weird thing to search and narrow down, since I'm sure there would be A LOT of people with brown hair.

Ah, OK. I do remember the brown hair search, and I do remember there was blowback on that on these forums.

At the time, I responded by pointing out that the episode isn't a straight re-telling of the case- it was the case as told by JJ's recollections of how it went. I figured she wouldn't get several of the details 100% correct, so I let go strange things like the "brown hair request" because I figure that's just JJ not remembering what the actual search was- it's not like she was directly involved in the request. Whether or not that was intentional is debatable, but, given it was someone's memory the episode was based on, I could accept a few weird things because memory is like that.

[Lalaland]

On 15/12/2018 at 12:18 AM, jls1792 said:

 

I actually looked through another message board I'm on and I had commented on it there.  It had something to do with when the team gave the profile, they said the unsub they would be looking for wouldn't have been convicted of arson, but later in the episode, they found out who the unsub was by looking through a list of people convicted of arson.

I haven't seen that episode since it aired, so I'm not sure how accurate that is.

Looking through the Sick Day thread on this other message board, someone else also noticed that Hotch had a weird request for Garcia: to search within a 15 mile radius of boys who have brown hair.  As these posters pointed out, that's kind of a weird thing to search and narrow down, since I'm sure there would be A LOT of people with brown hair.

There is actually a site that allows you to download an exact transcript of 1000's of episodes of tv and movies.  Of course I cannot remember the link right now don't ya know.  Whatever, I remember doing that a while back and reading the transcript for this episode.  I would really like to find it and post it hear. Honestly, reading the dialogue was migrane inducing. It was all over the place and as others have said there was indeed really obvious continuity issues with the dialogue. It was just awful. 

I cannot imagine that any of the actors would not have commented or brought such issues to the attention of the writer.  Anyone suggesting they should not have, are really just grasping.  Yet I saw lots of commentary at the time suggesting TG was paid to speak lines and words and he should have stayed in his lane....lol.  It was also interesting to read on numerous occasions comments from other actors, particularly Kirsten, suggesting she regularly changes dialogue she does not feel fits her character and indeed ad libs through many episodes.  Again, if you've been in a character for so many years, thats a pretty normal thing to do.  The fact that a writer with an ego the size of the statue of liberty took issue with it, is on him. 

[K42]

Here's another pet peeve. Stop using the words "Organized" and "Meticulous"! Only a handful of them were.The rest were borderline idiots!

Edited December 17, 2018 by K42

[jls1792]

12 hours ago, Lalaland said:

There is actually a site that allows you to download an exact transcript of 1000's of episodes of tv and movies.  Of course I cannot remember the link right now don't ya know.

Is this the site? https://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/episode_scripts.php?tv-show=criminal-minds

I use that to look up transcripts for episodes of CM and other shows.  The one downside to it though is it is not really organized and you can't really tell who is saying what

[Lalaland]

1 hour ago, jls1792 said:

Is this the site? https://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/episode_scripts.php?tv-show=criminal-minds

I use that to look up transcripts for episodes of CM and other shows.  The one downside to it though is it is not really organized and you can't really tell who is saying what

I can't say for certain as its a really long time since I looked at it. I don't think it had a .uk url. The site I looked at was pretty organised, that I do remember. 

[Hotchgirl18]

On 12/13/2018 at 8:35 PM, Pebble Puppy said:

Thank you. Well, Gibson may have been right in that he wasn't happy with how his character was being written and now the other actors are afraid to speak up because they saw what resulted....they know the real/whole story. Maybe they are hoping the ratings will show how the viewers feel about the storylines. Characters need depth in order to be believable and for viewers to make that connection. I think it's all unbelievable from the way Prentiss leads the team to the way Garcia dresses ( did you see how low cut her dress was last night?), to the way the team speaks to Reid as if he's a child. So much seems unprofessional to me and it wouldn't be permitted in real life. I wonder if MGG is pursuing other endevors because he knows things we don't or he's not happy there?

Prentiss needs to be fucking fired. I sort of agree with Barnes and think she sort of had the right idea in investigating her. Barnes was right when she says the team has poor leadership. 

[SSA Emily Prentiss]

I've just recently discovered this board so I'm a newcomer here. And I think this is so amazing to have an unpopular opinion thread like this one. But I hope mine don't shock anyone because it isn't my intentions.

And I have so many of them I don't even know where to start. Hmmmm let's see... OK, brace yourself for this first one :

 

1. I think Garcia is an immature, not fully grown, attention seeking BRAT. And I can't stand how everyone seems to always be worshipping at her feet. Despite her huge fandom, that character is insufferable in my eyes. I thought I'd like her better after Morgan's departure, and I did find her to be a little bit easier to tolerate at times, but overall, she remains the same immature brat I've known when he was around.

Which brings me to my second U.O. :

 

2. I hate the Morgan/Garcia duo dynamics with the fire of a thousand suns. Every site I go to, people adore them. But me, I found them over the top, in your face, irritating, unprofessional, selfish, overrated, tacky and rude. It's just unbelievable to me that they got away with so many of their antics when Hotch was in command. I remember one time, the team was in a police office in another town, Morgan called her and told her to be careful because they were on speaker, and she replied, in a very suggestive voice : "Or else what ? You're gonna spank me ?" or something along those lines. You could see the shock over the officer's face. Hotch and the others remained impassible but they seemed uncomfortable too. And this was just one of Garcia/Morgan's countless  unprofessional, classless moments over the years, and they've had much worst than that. Their convos usually always had a sexual connotation even though they knew the rest of the team was listening. Can you say tacky ? And each time, neither their boss or their partners found it amusing. As for me, it came to a point where I rolled my eyes as soon as Morgan called Garcia or she called him, because I just knew what was coming. No amount of "Baby girl" talk in the world (hugh ! I hated to even hear Morgan say those words 50 times per season. What a nightmare !)  is ever gonna make me like that pair. What other people found cute and endearing about them, I found annoying and revolting.

For as much as Hotch was hard on Emily when she first appeared because he thought she wasn't there on her own merits and her gold was to harm his career, and on Jordan for making one mistake, he sure bowed down to that obnoxious duo. Never once did he reprimand them for their unprofessionalism during all those years.          Un-be-lie-va-ble ! 

Edited December 25, 2018 by SSA Emily Prentiss

[Pebble Puppy]

6 hours ago, SSA Emily Prentiss said:

I've just recently discovered this board so I'm a newcomer here. And I think this is so amazing to have an unpopular opinion thread like this one. But I hope mine don't shock anyone because it isn't my intentions.

And I have so many of them I don't even know where to start. Hmmmm let's see... OK, brace yourself for this first one :

 

1. I think Garcia is an immature, not fully grown, attention seeking BRAT. And I can't stand how everyone seems to always be worshipping at her feet. Despite her huge fandom, that character is insufferable in my eyes. I thought I'd like her better after Morgan's departure, and I did find her to be a little bit easier to tolerate at times, but overall, she remains the same immature brat I've known when he was there.

Which brings me to my second U.O. :

 

2. I hate the Morgan/Garcia duo dynamics with the fire of a thousand suns. Every site I go to, people adore them. But me, I found them over the top, in your face, irritating, unprofessional, selfish, overrated, tacky and rude. It's just unbelievable to me that they got away with so many of their antics when Hotch was there. I remember one time, the team was in a police office in another town, Morgan called her and told her to be careful because they were on speaker, and she replied : "Or else what ? You're gonna spank me ?" or something along those lines. You could see the shock over the officer's face. Hotch and the others remained impassible but they seemed uncomfortable too. And this was just one of Garcia/Morgan's countless  unprofessional, classless moments over the years, and they've had much worst than that. Their convos usually always had a sexual connotation even though they knew the rest of the team was listening. Can you say tacky ? And each time, neither their boss or their partners found it amusing. As for me, it came to a point where I rolled my eyes as soon as Morgan called Garcia, because I just knew what was coming. No amount of "Baby girl" talk (hugh, I hated to even hear Morgan say those words 50 times per season. What a nightmare !) in the world is ever gonna make me like that pair. What other people round cute and endearing I found annoying and revolting.

For as much as Hotch was hard on Emily when she first appeared because he thought she wasn't there on her own merits and her gold was to harm his career, and on Jordan for making one mistake, he sure bowed down to that obnoxious duo. Never once did he reprimand them for their unprofessionalism. Un-be-lie-va-ble 

Love this! The show is a fairytale and completely unrealistic. People wouldn't get away with this if they worked at a grocery store , how are we supposed to believe that Garcia and Morgan would be allowed to act that way in the FBI? 

[SSA Emily Prentiss]

38 minutes ago, Pebble Puppy said:

Love this! The show is a fairytale and completely unrealistic. People wouldn't get away with this if they worked at a grocery store , how are we supposed to believe that Garcia and Morgan would be allowed to act that way in the FBI? 

IKR ! I never expressed this elsewhere because seeing how so many people love them, I thought "They're gonna say I'm a stupid prude that's all." But here I can finally admit that those two made what was supposed to be a very serious dark show with light moments very cartoonish.

[SSA Emily Prentiss]

Just now, SweetTooth said:

I believe that because nobody has a defined area of specialty, or if they do, it's not utilized in the way it should, all they're left with are the "characteristics" of the characters to set them apart. So in essence, they become caricatues.

I tend to agree with this. Which is why I'll never stop regretting that they didn't focus on each team member's special skills over the years. From time to time, there should've been one case for each of them to display that special ability. It would've been way more compelling than to have all of them do the same things all the time.

[Pebble Puppy]

6 minutes ago, SSA Emily Prentiss said:

I tend to agree with this. Which is why I'll never stop regretting that they didn't focus on each team member's special skills over the years. From time to time, there should've been one case for each of them to display that special ability. It would've been way more compelling than to have all of them do the same things all the time.

It seemed like Criminal Minds Beyond Borders started to do this, just a little too late. One was a medical examiner, one spoke multiple languages and knew the nuisances of many cultures. They had the right idea, just too late.

[SSA Emily Prentiss]

And my list of U.Os continues. I know this one may cause people to wonder if I'm not insane, but whatever, it's been a while since I've wanted to get this off my chest. Here it is :

3. I know many people think that JJ is the epitome of empathy, but I disagree wholeheartedly. I don't think JJ and the word "empathy" should ever be placed in the same sentence. Well except if it's to say something like : "JJ can't express sincere empathy to save her life." That's about it.

I have very rarely, if ever, bought into her so called empathy towards the victims or even her own co-workers. I bought it in spades with Elle, with Reid, with Emily, with stoic Hotch. I even bought it with arrogant, full of himself, narcissist playa Morgan and over the top, self-centered, juvenile drama queen Garcia (two characters I barely tolerate). But JJ ? Nah. Never. And the more they shove her perfect sanctity to my face, the more I keep thinking : "Fake! Fake! Fake!"                Yes I'm sorry but to me, Jennifer Saint Mary Sue Super Ninja Wannabe Kung Fu Barbie Jareau always seems to be sporting a mask. Which makes her appear cold most of the times. Sometimes when I look at her, I can't help but wonder : "If I pricked her really hard with a needle, would there be any blood ?"

If the actress really wants her portrayal of empathy to be believable, she should really buy some clues from her acting partners. Espacially from PB and MGG.

 

Also, she's written like Perfect Snowhite, but there's something very irritating about this character that screams "Look at how superior I am. I don't even belong on the same planet as the rest of you mortals. I'm only tolerating your presence because... well, you know... I am that good of a person."  hughh !

 

 

 

Edited December 28, 2018 by SSA Emily Prentiss

[Hotchgirl18]

11 hours ago, SSA Emily Prentiss said:

And my list of U.Os continues. I know this one may cause people to wonder if I'm not insane, but whatever, it's been a while since I've wanted to get this off my chest. Here it is :

3. I know many people think that JJ is the epitome of empathy, but I disagree wholeheartedly. I don't think JJ and the word "empathy" should ever be placed in the same sentence. Well except if it's to say something like : "JJ can't express sincere empathy to save her life." That's about it.

I have very rarely, if ever, bought into her so called empathy towards the victims or even her own co-workers. I bought it in spades with Elle, with Reid, with Emily, with stoic Hotch. I even bought it with arrogant, full of himself, narcissist playa Morgan and over the top, self-centered, juvenile drama queen Garcia (two characters I barely tolerate). But JJ ? Nah. Never. And the more they shove her perfect sanctity to my face, the more I keep thinking : "Fake! Fake! Fake!"                Yes I'm sorry but to me, Jennifer Saint Mary Sue Super Ninja Wannabe Kung Fu Barbie Jareau always seems to be sporting a mask. Which makes her appear cold most of the times. Sometimes when I look at her, I can't help but wonder : "If I pricked her really hard with a needle, would there be any blood ?"

If the actress really wants her portrayal of empathy to be believable, she should really buy some clues from her acting partners. Espacially from PB and MGG.

 

Also, she's written like Perfect Snowhite, but there's something very irritating about this character that screams "Look at how superior I am. I don't even belong on the same planet as the rest of you mortals. I'm only tolerating your presence because... well, you know... I am that good of a person."  hughh !

 

 

 

Jennifer Jareau is a bimbo and a psychopath. She's a narcissistic bitch. Only Morgan can top her. 

[K42]

21 hours ago, SSA Emily Prentiss said:

And my list of U.Os continues. I know this one may cause people to wonder if I'm not insane, but whatever, it's been a while since I've wanted to get this off my chest. Here it is :

3. I know many people think that JJ is the epitome of empathy, but I disagree wholeheartedly. I don't think JJ and the word "empathy" should ever be placed in the same sentence. Well except if it's to say something like : "JJ can't express sincere empathy to save her life." That's about it.

I have very rarely, if ever, bought into her so called empathy towards the victims or even her own co-workers. I bought it in spades with Elle, with Reid, with Emily, with stoic Hotch. I even bought it with arrogant, full of himself, narcissist playa Morgan and over the top, self-centered, juvenile drama queen Garcia (two characters I barely tolerate). But JJ ? Nah. Never. And the more they shove her perfect sanctity to my face, the more I keep thinking : "Fake! Fake! Fake!"                Yes I'm sorry but to me, Jennifer Saint Mary Sue Super Ninja Wannabe Kung Fu Barbie Jareau always seems to be sporting a mask. Which makes her appear cold most of the times. Sometimes when I look at her, I can't help but wonder : "If I pricked her really hard with a needle, would there be any blood ?"

If the actress really wants her portrayal of empathy to be believable, she should really buy some clues from her acting partners. Espacially from PB and MGG.

 

Also, she's written like Perfect Snowhite, but there's something very irritating about this character that screams "Look at how superior I am. I don't even belong on the same planet as the rest of you mortals. I'm only tolerating your presence because... well, you know... I am that good of a person."  hughh !

 

9 hours ago, Hotchgirl18 said:

Jennifer Jareau is a bimbo and a psychopath. She's a narcissistic bitch. Only Morgan can top her. 

Thank you both for saying that. I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed this. I think this has to do with the fact that AJ Cook is a terrible actress. She's always been awful at portraying emotions even on the show Tru Calling where she played a minor role. There's something "off" about her "sincerity".  I would have believed her character more if she were a psychopath. I especially hate it when she creepily opens her eyes during her "crying" or emotional scenes. Sweety, who told you this was okay? She looks terrifying. As for Morgan, no comment. I hate the actor and the character. The guy cannot act. He only knows how to get pissed off. He should have left the show sooner. Nothing about his acting is believable and he is a pretty boy at best. 

[kathyk24]

17 hours ago, Hotchgirl18 said:

Jennifer Jareau is a bimbo and a psychopath. She's a narcissistic bitch. Only Morgan can top her. 

JJ isn't a psychopath. A psychopath is someone without a conscience. George Foyet is an example of a psychopath. I disagree that she hasn't been empathic with the victim's families. She has shared some of her own life story when appropriate she can't be too emotional when  meeting with the families because it would take the focus from the case. 

[Hotchgirl18]

52 minutes ago, kathyk24 said:

JJ isn't a psychopath. A psychopath is someone without a conscience. George Foyet is an example of a psychopath. I disagree that she hasn't been empathic with the victim's families. She has shared some of her own life story when appropriate she can't be too emotional when  meeting with the families because it would take the focus from the case. 

George Foyet would make a better agent than Jennifer "I'm so perfect because I'm blonde and beautiful and I haven't been a profiler very long but I can boss my colleagues around" Jareau. 

[JMO]

I agree with Kathyk24, that JJ has shown, and continues to show, empathy for victims and families.  In the early years of the series, she usually functioned as the case's empathetic touchpoint, to the point of running interference for families.  Once she became a profiler, her role in the case process changed, often requiring her to maintain more distance between herself and the families as she participated in the investigation of the case.  But that hasn't precluded her continuing to bond with them when she's had the opportunity.  We've even seen her empathetic towards the unsub at times, which doesn't seem to come as naturally to her as it does to Reid.  

I won't disagree that the character has suffered inconsistencies at the hands of the writing team.  She has.  They all have.  But being able to see a trait such as empathy in a character is a function of both the observed and the observer.  It depends on what we each bring to the encounter.

[SSA Emily Prentiss]

On 28/12/2018 at 10:03 AM, K42 said:

As for Morgan, no comment. I hate the actor. 

Oh ! I hope you don't mean that K42. It's one (normal) thing to hate a fictional character from a fictional show and to criticize the acting of their portrayer. But it's a whole other (disturbing IMHO) thing to extend that hate to the actor himself. Actors are real people who are just doing their job the best way they know how. It's your right to hate them I guess, I just don't find it fair, that's all.

I don't hate AJ Cook, Shemar Moore or Kirsten Vangsness at all. I respect them and wish them nothing but the best. Despite their characters being my least favorite of CM, to put it mildly.

 

Edited January 2, 2019 by SSA Emily Prentiss

[atlantaloves]

I just can't watch this show any more, and I loved it so much for many years, but God, the acting is HORRIBLE....and that idiot at her computer keyboard makes me vomit. I am sorry, but I don't want to look at your old tits, I can look at my own. 

[SSA Emily Prentiss]

10 hours ago, atlantaloves said:

I am sorry, but I don't want to look at your old tits, I can look at my own. 

ROTFLOL !!!

[SSA Emily Prentiss]

U.O. #4 :

I loved Haley Hotchner. I thought she was a great match for Hotch and his EQUAL (as opposed to... you know, that giggling Whatshername person they paired him with in season 7) and I was really sorry to see their marriage end. I also hate that she got killed (Why couldn't it have been JJ's baby daddy instead ?) and I cry each time I watch "100". 

I always feel like people have a lot of hatred towards "big bad Haley" because she didn't put up with "poor wonderful Hotch". Even my own mother (traitor that she is), while we were watching "100" together and I told her that they divorced because Hotch's job put a strain on their marriage, had the nerve to ask me (in French, but I'm quoting her in English) : "Well didn't she know what she was getting into when she married him ?" To which I replied  (also in French) : "So what if she knew, mother ? Didn't she have the right to feel unsatisfied with their marriage as time went by and she realized it was never gonna get better but it was actually getting worst than what she signed in for ?"

Yes, I'm a Hotch fan but I understood Haley's reasons for wanting a divorce. While Hotch loved his family, it came to a point where I didn't feel that they were his first priority, and they should've always been. Maybe if Haley felt that despite his very busy schedule, Hotch put her and Jack first (the way I always felt Jack Garrett did with his family in BB), she would've been more patient and stayed. The fact that he didn't even try to salvage their marriage spoke volumes IMHO.

Edited January 5, 2019 by SSA Emily Prentiss

[mythoughtis]

I really liked Haley and I really like Will. Two totally different types of spouses because of their totally different backgrounds.  Two totally different marriages because Will and JJ seem to have more of a Partnership in child  rearing. Possibly because JJ is shown as a  Working Mom who travels, yet wouldn't hesitate to stay home if needed. Yet Will happily does the major parenting when she’s unavailable. I never saw Hotch perform any parenting while Haley was alive. Never once did he call to see how Jack fared while he was gone or ever seem to remember Jack existed once he left the house.  

Hotch  never  showed any personality beyond a stone face or a glare. His girlfriend Beth was totally wrong for him.  

I liked Morgan but he definitely has one of those attitudes where he couldn’t delegate or depend on others.    Thus was highlighted at the end of the episode with the car bomb in New York. He wouldn’t let Hotch drive even when called out over it.  

Garcia is now over 40, maybe even 45,has been on her own since 18. Yet she seems to regress in maturity every year,  it’s past time for her to grow up.  Her millennial quirky info tech display is way too young for her. 

Edited January 5, 2019 by mythoughtis

[SSA Emily Prentiss]

I neither like or hate Will, to me he's just there. Kinda like an insipid painting on a wall. I'll give him that he appears to be a great husband and father and even before they got married, he seemed much more committed to JJ than Hotch seemed to Haley. But since I think Haley was a far more interesting recurrent character, I would've much rather she stayed and he died.

But then again come to think of it harder, if he had died instead of her, then not only would TG have missed out on the opportunity to give us one of the  most brilliant and heartwrenching performances I have ever seen on this show, but also, JJ would've had the spotlight instead of Hotch, which for me would've been...   No, just... no. Keep JJ happy. From now on, those 2 reasons will help me accept Haley's death better.

 

Yeah, in terms of parenting, Hotch really sucked. Just like he sucked as a husband. It's almost as if his family was an afterthought for him. Which woman would like to feel like she's second best to her husband's job ?

 

Morgan went by his own impulse so many times it drove me nuts. I mean don't get me wrong, they all went rogue and did things their way once or twice. But usually it was when the story affected them on a personal level. Which made it easier for me to give them a pass. Though I must admit I had a much harder time with Reid in 03x16 because without a care in the world, he very selfishly put Emily and everyone in that police station (and that included his other partner and BFF JJ) in danger just because he identified with the young unsub. Like, ***speaking in Linda Barnes' tone*** , who the hell cares about your childhood dilemma if you have to risk your teammates' life and the life of other innocent people to try and save the guilty teenage boy ?   ***back to normal tone***  Not Reid's finest moment. And Hotch was so right to threaten to fire him that day. But at least he had a somewhat understandable reason to follow his own mind.       

Whereas Morgan did it just because he wanted to. And it became such a habit I often had to wonder : "Who does he think is the friggin' boss on that team ?"  And Hotch usually let him know that he didn't like it. Like that time in Miami when Will's gay partner was murdered in season 3. In the end, Morgan decided to follow his libido... I mean the female detective named Tina, instead of waiting for the rest of the team. When Hotch arrived with the others and called him out on it, you could see on his face that he wasn't satisfied with the answer. But Morgan still did it again whenever he wanted. And that habit of willingly doing things his own way is one of the things I absolutely hated about that character. He ALWAYS had to draw attention to him because humility is so not one of his strong suits. No wonder he and Garcia got along so well.

 

Speaking of Garcia, I don't think she'll ever mature. Even this season, after what happened in "300", it wouldn't have been too late if the writers wanted her to, but it's clear they don't. I mean the woman's been having life altering experiences since the age of 18, including getting shot and almost dying, being held at gun point and kidnapped, not to mention the kind of job she has and the amount of suffering she's witnessed over the years. So if all of that haven't made her grow the heck up, then I think it's pretttty safe to assume that nothing will. Not only that, she gets the luxury of having approximately 2 meltdowns/PTSDs per season (I'll let you do the math), yet she manages to come out of them even more immature than before. It's absolutely mind boggling. And it makes me wonder why they keep insisting on wasting precious time on her like that. Writers' pet I guess...

Edited January 6, 2019 by SSA Emily Prentiss
Forgot to comment on Morgan and Garcia

[Annber03]

14 hours ago, SSA Emily Prentiss said:

U.O. #4 :

I loved Haley Hotchner. I thought she was a great match for Hotch and his EQUAL (as opposed to... you know, that giggling Whatshername person they paired him with in season 7) and I was really sorry to see their marriage end. I also hate that she got killed (Why couldn't it have been JJ's baby daddy instead ?) and I cry each time I watch "100". 

I always feel like people have a lot of hatred towards "big bad Haley" because she didn't put up with "poor wonderful Hotch". Even my own mother (traitor that she is), while we were watching "100" together and I told her that they divorced because Hotch's job put a strain on their marriage, had the nerve to ask me (in French, but I'm quoting her in English) : "Well didn't she know what she was getting into when she married him ?" To which I replied  (also in French) : "So what if she knew, mother ? Didn't she have the right to feel unsatisfied with their marriage as time went by and she realized it was never gonna get better but it was actually getting worst than what she signed in for ?"

Yes, I'm a Hotch fan but I understood Haley's reasons for wanting a divorce. While Hotch loved his family, it came to a point where I didn't feel that they were his first priority, and they should've always been. Maybe if Haley felt that despite his very busy schedule, Hotch put her and Jack first (the way I always felt Jack Garrett did with his family in BB), she would've been more patient and stayed. The fact that he didn't even try to salvage their marriage spoke volumes IMHO.

I'll fully agree with this. Regarding the "She knew what she signed up for" argument that people like to make in this situation, I'd respond to that with the fact that it's one thing to think you can handle your spouse having that kind of job. She may well have believed, early on, that this could be manageable and she'd learn to deal with it and whatnot. And at first, she might've been right, and might've handled things okay for a time. 

It's a whole other thing, though, when you actually get deep into that experience itself. I don't even think his workaholic tendencies were a surprise to her, or the biggest issue, because he'd worked as a lawyer before his time in the BAU, and that's a demanding, time-consuming job as well, so she would've been used to that for some time already. I think if the problem were just him working a lot of hours, she'd have figured out a way to deal with that. 

But when he was a lawyer, he wasn't putting his life and that of his family's in danger on a regular basis. I think that was the big difference, and the source of the final breaking point for her. The amount of times Haley had to wonder if she'd get that call, the amount of times she saw Hotch come home haunted by a case or stressing/obsessing over a case, seeing the mental and emotional toll and strain it took on him, the times she heard about him nearly getting injured/killed, and then when she had to stay at a motel with baby Jack because the FIsher King knew WAY too much about the team's personal lives and had actually called their house...yeah. That's a hell of a lot more than she likely expected to sign up for, and I don't blame her one bit for wanting some changes, and in the end, ultimately getting fed up and being like, "I'm done. I can't do this anymore."

As for Will, I don't mind him. He's been a steady partner for JJ all these years, he's a good dad, and I like that he's come to terms with the fact that this job means a lot to her, and I like that his job as a cop helps him better understand some of the stress she goes through as well. 

And regarding Morgan, I personally have no issue with him. Yes, he's very stubborn and set in his beliefs and whatnot, but let's face it, the others can be like that as well. I'm not getting the lack of humility stuff and whatnot, either-he has apologized when he's pushed too far, or gotten something wrong, and has talked things out with whatever team member he disagreed with later on as well. I liked the back and forth that Morgan and Hotch would also have when they did happen to disagree on something, it gave the scenes and stories some good tension and gave us some different viewpoints to consider and so on. Yes, Hotch made it clear when his word was final, and I agree that should be respected, but he still always took the time to hear Morgan out, too, when he did object to or question something. He clearly respected Morgan's ability to challenge and question in and of itself-I think that's part of the reason why he picked him to be acting unit chief when Hotch had to step down during the whole Foyet mess. I think those two were more alike a lot of the time than even they might've realized, and that's a large part of why they butted heads so often :p. 

I also agree that Morgan has issues trusting people, but his backstory has given us some important reasons as to why that is. And the fact remains that Hotch has been known to hide and cover up some things. Granted, most of the time, those cover ups and hiding of information were directed at the higher ups instead of the team itself, but there was his role in lying to the team about Emily being dead. We know, of course, that Hotch and JJ both had valid reasons to help protect Emily in that situation, but even so, I can see where that kind of major lie can shake somebody's trust regardless. It affected Reid's ability to trust JJ, after all, so it's only logical that Morgan might have some trouble dealing with it, too. 

[Lalaland]

Loved the original team. Adored the original team. Joe taking over from Mandy worked out well. This is the team (and Mandy) that got me on board and kept me. Character wise, No1 for me will always be Hotch. 2. Reid. 3. Blake, woefully underused. No particular order on the rest, although if Garcia had gone at any time, it would have been the least problematic.

 

I don't have any interest in the newbies, hence no comment. 

As for actors, - TG always. Long term fan way before CM, that hasn't changed, so probably goes a little towards my having him as fav character. That said, Hotch was an epic character, no one can deny that. 

Always liked JM. Had no knowledge of the others til CM.

I have no issue in saying I don't like PB and I have my own reasons for this, not specific to CM. In relation to CM however,  In my opinion she should not have returned after she and AJ were dismissed, which I might add was a disgrace and they were well within their rights to be pissed off and to fight back. But she did and for a while I liked having Prentiss back on the team, it brought some familiarity back to things. 

I never was very enamoured with SM and still am not, but I really liked Morgan. He was an integral part of the team and I was sorry to see him go. 

Gubler, Cook, Vangsness. First two I've always liked in CM, both character and actor.

So like others, I have favourite characters and favourite actors. In other shows I have actors I like but hate their character and I have characters I like but not fond of the actor.

I think it's perfectly fine to have those views. Do I dislike PB or SM enough to write vile stuff to them or about them, say like setting up social media accounts and that type of thing....NOT A CHANCE. 

Edited January 6, 2019 by Lalaland
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[Lalaland]

On 5 January 2019 at 4:47 PM, SSA Emily Prentiss said:

U.O. #4 :

I loved Haley Hotchner. I thought she was a great match for Hotch and his EQUAL (as opposed to... you know, that giggling Whatshername person they paired him with in season 7) and I was really sorry to see their marriage end. I also hate that she got killed (Why couldn't it have been JJ's baby daddy instead ?) and I cry each time I watch "100". 

I always feel like people have a lot of hatred towards "big bad Haley" because she didn't put up with "poor wonderful Hotch". Even my own mother (traitor that she is), while we were watching "100" together and I told her that they divorced because Hotch's job put a strain on their marriage, had the nerve to ask me (in French, but I'm quoting her in English) : "Well didn't she know what she was getting into when she married him ?" To which I replied  (also in French) : "So what if she knew, mother ? Didn't she have the right to feel unsatisfied with their marriage as time went by and she realized it was never gonna get better but it was actually getting worst than what she signed in for ?"

Yes, I'm a Hotch fan but I understood Haley's reasons for wanting a divorce. While Hotch loved his family, it came to a point where I didn't feel that they were his first priority, and they should've always been. Maybe if Haley felt that despite his very busy schedule, Hotch put her and Jack first (the way I always felt Jack Garrett did with his family in BB), she would've been more patient and stayed. The fact that he didn't even try to salvage their marriage spoke volumes IMHO.

Gotta say, I'm with you on this. Absolute Hotch fan, but honestly could not understand the hatred towards the character of Haley. I mean, she put up with ALOT. way back when I was more engaged with the fandom, I had this very debate with a fan. This fan was so vitriolic against Haley, but their arguments were nothing more than superficial naieviety. The idea that she should be thankful  and just shush up because Hotch was handsome, in the FBI and doing a dangerous job, really pissed me off. 

one scene that always annoyed me and made me somewhat annoyed at him, is the scene (can't remember episode). Haley turns up to office as he's going out. Despite much pushing, it takes along time before he 'remembers' his child had a hospital appointment. Even then his 'they can go without me' seemed half hearted, because he knew she would tell him to go, and that would let him off the hook so. I mean, she had a right to be annoyed....did she not? 

[SSA Emily Prentiss]

12 hours ago, Annber03 said:

It's one thing to think you can handle your spouse having that kind of job. She may well have believed, early on, that this could be manageable and she'd learn to deal with it and whatnot. And at first, she might've been right, and might've handled things okay for a time. 

It's a whole other thing, though, when you actually get deep into that experience itself. I don't even think his workaholic tendencies were a surprise to her, or the biggest issue, because he'd worked as a lawyer before his time in the BAU, and that's a demanding, time-consuming job as well, so she would've been used to that for some time already. I think if the problem were just him working a lot of hours, she'd have figured out a way to deal with that. 

But when he was a lawyer, he wasn't putting his life and that of his family's in danger on a regular basis. I think that was the big difference, and the source of the final breaking point for her. The amount of times Haley had to wonder if she'd get that call, the amount of times she saw Hotch come home haunted by a case or stressing/obsessing over a case, seeing the mental and emotional toll and strain it took on him, the times she heard about him nearly getting injured/killed, and then when she had to stay at a motel with baby Jack because the FIsher King knew WAY too much about the team's personal lives and had actually called their house...yeah. That's a hell of a lot more than she likely expected to sign up for, and I don't blame her one bit for wanting some changes, and in the end, ultimately getting fed up and being like, "I'm done. I can't do this anymore."

My sentiment exactly ! You explained it so much better than I could.