The GCEh?C: Canadian Episodes (Spoilers for Non-Canadians)

[HeatLifer]

Jack is almost a non factor in their relationship

Crazy, right? He's only necessary when they need to convince the audience  that Billy is young/hot/interesting and Jack is old/boring. Otherwise, he's been unnecessary.

Well, until today's episode, which is the first time she said she loves Jack. But I honestly believe we suddenly have a "guilty" episode so they're free to screw again without looking like complete aholes. 

[miamama]

This Jack is boring/blah/old and Phyllis needs to be free of him to soar is a load of crap. Jack/PB is the only reason this contrived story between a couple of newbie recasts is front and centre.

The moment Jack kicks them to the curb is the moment Philly ceases to have a point. 

[miamama]

4 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

 

Crazy, right? He's only necessary when they need to convince the audience  that Billy is young/hot/interesting and Jack is old/boring. Otherwise, he's been unnecessary.

Well, until today's episode, which is the first time she said she loves Jack. But I honestly believe we suddenly have a "guilty" episode so they're free to screw again without looking like complete aholes. 

Doesn't she look like a bigger asshole because she says she loves Jack and STILL decides to fuck his brother?

Billy is coming off better with the acknowledgment he's hurting Jack. Phyllis is worse now IMO.

Although in the race for the prize for BIGGEST ASSHOLES ON EARTH, Phyllis and Billy are both already winners.

[HeatLifer]

1 minute ago, miamama said:

Doesn't she look like a bigger asshole because she says she loves Jack and STILL decides to fuck his brother?

Billy is coming off better with the acknowledgment he's hurting Jack. Phyllis is worse now IMO.

Although in the race for the prize for BIGGEST ASSHOLES ON EARTH, Phyllis and Billy are both already winners.

To me, they're already assholes, regardless. The story has already gone too far. The writers waited too long.

But I'm more talking in the eyes of the TPTB. If Philly were continuing to screw with Billy saying he doesn't care about Jack and Phyllis just repeating her "family" lines, I think that comes off worse than being guilty but still not being able to control themselves.

[pearlite]

1 minute ago, HeatLifer said:

To me, they're already assholes, regardless. The story has already gone too far. The writers waited too long.

But I'm more talking in the eyes of the TPTB. If Philly were continuing to screw with Billy saying he doesn't care about Jack and Phyllis just repeating her "family" lines, I think that comes off worse than being guilty but still not being able to control themselves.

The story shouldn't have existed in the first place, to me. And, yes, it's gone on far too long, crap that it is.

Among the dumbass plot stuff Pratt and his crew tossed out, this one, with the combination of bad casting, bad timeline, and unutterably crappy dialogue scripts, takes the totally inedible cake. Time for Mr Young and the writers to pull up stakes on this one, abort the mission, and reset Show back on track.

[HeatLifer]

I'm watching a different feed, y'all, has to be it. Apparently treating women like trash and sleeping with your brother's wife is the SEXY version of Billy.

[miamama]

It is not credible to me that a woman would be torn between her longtime love/husband and his brother. I can only see the brother as an option if she was determined to drop napalm on her husband and in-laws for shits and giggles (in other words she's a sociopath). Even just for "sex" it doesn't wash. It's too fucking destructive. 

Yup. Should never have gone here. Even when Sharon was written screwing brothers/father it was NEVER like this. She was out of love with Jack and in the throes of klepto/soap crazies when she hooked up with Billy (which was a drunken romp and not this cheesy angst). With Adam and Victor she was single (ie not telling husband Nick he was the love of her life while fucking Adam and being all "I don't know what this is").

And that is why it cannot be fixed. Ever.

[miamama]

7 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

I'm watching a different feed, y'all, has to be it. Apparently treating women like trash and sleeping with your brother's wife is the SEXY version of Billy.

Lol. Yeah. But this tweeter thinks Sean Carrigan is a fine thespian so...

[HeatLifer]

It is not credible to me that a woman would be torn between her longtime love/husband and his brother.

THIS. It's just not believable. Especially when there was NOTHING between the wife and the brother up until the mighty plot point. And then the decision to make Philly TRUE LOVE as if Phyllis would LOVE Billy over Jack? Might work if I turned the TV on yesterday.

[miamama]

4 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

 

THIS. It's just not believable. Especially when there was NOTHING between the wife and the brother up until the mighty plot point. And then the decision to make Philly TRUE LOVE as if Phyllis would LOVE Billy over Jack? Might work if I turned the TV on yesterday.

Yup. And despite that, at this point I would prefer her out of love with Jack and in love with Billy because dragging it out as some painful decision for Phyllis to stop fucking Billy is too many levels of bullshit, even for a soap.

#freeJack

[HeatLifer]

2 minutes ago, miamama said:

Yup. And despite that, at this point I would prefer her out of love with Jack and in love with Billy because dragging it out as some painful decision for Phyllis to stop fucking Billy is too many levels of bullshit, even for a soap.

#freeJack

Oh, I just want Jack out of this storyline and doing his own thing at this point. PB shouldn't have to play second fiddle to JT with HIS character's longtime love interest, I'm sorry. PB should be leading this story. It should be about JACK. He's the vet. Jack and Phyllis have the history and the story that should make this EMOTIONAL. The above tweet just blows my mind. How did this become about SEXY Billy?*

*This is a rhetorical question. I know sex sells on soaps. I've watched my entire life. It's predictable.

[miamama]

It's hopeless at this point. Just waiting until Jack finds out and moves on - I guess to his Hilary story.  

More Philly screen time coming (saw pics on Twitter). FFS.

At this point I no longer even expect PB to get much in the way of a reaction. It's JT and GT's story after all. They are so SEXY. Lol.

[HeatLifer]

32 minutes ago, miamama said:

It's hopeless at this point. Just waiting until Jack finds out and moves on - I guess to his Hilary story.  

More Philly screen time coming (saw pics on Twitter). FFS.

At this point I no longer even expect PB to get much in the way of a reaction. It's JT and GT's story after all. They are so SEXY. Lol.

The pic of them just sitting on the ground cracked me up bc the characters still don't give a fuck. At this point, I expect Jack to just approve of them because this show clearly doesn't want this to be a real heartbreaking story. They've made it about how hot the cheaters are.

[peacheslatour]

2 hours ago, miamama said:

Lol. Yeah. But this tweeter thinks Sean Carrigan is a fine thespian so...

Well he is. For a baked potato.

[miamama]

53 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

The pic of them just sitting on the ground cracked me up bc the characters still don't give a fuck. At this point, I expect Jack to just approve of them because this show clearly doesn't want this to be a real heartbreaking story. They've made it about how hot the cheaters are.

That's how I reacted to the pics as well. Whatever, show. Even the "tell Jack" stuff was about them.

Edited June 13, 2016 by miamama

[HeatLifer]

LMAO. This show, man. Every day. Every episode. A new Billy and Phyllis appear! So Billy is once again saying he doesn't care about his relationship with Jack. And Phyllis doesn't want Billy to stay away from her. And they screw again.

Although my favorite part was when Phyllis arrives to tell Billy that she didn't tell Jack and he's ranting and raving (before she actually tells him) all, "What did Jack do to you!?!!!" like Phyllis is some abuse victim of Jack's.

[miamama]

2 hours ago, HeatLifer said:

LMAO. This show, man. Every day. Every episode. A new Billy and Phyllis appear! So Billy is once again saying he doesn't care about his relationship with Jack. And Phyllis doesn't want Billy to stay away from her. And they screw again.

Although my favorite part was when Phyllis arrives to tell Billy that she didn't tell Jack and he's ranting and raving (before she actually tells him) all, "What did Jack do to you!?!!!" like Phyllis is some abuse victim of Jack's.

Lol. Ok. I'll skip. I'll only watch when "Jack matters." Can I count on you all to let me know when it is a "Jack matters" episode?

Also I like to see Jack with Hilary - because he is not talking about Billy. I find they have chemistry. Amazing that - since show hasn't told me they have chemistry. ;)

Edited June 14, 2016 by miamama

[Anna Yolei]

7 hours ago, HeatLifer said:

I'm watching a different feed, y'all, has to be it. Apparently treating women like trash and sleeping with your brother's wife is the SEXY version of Billy.

I've been a B&B fan for a long time, so watching people sleep with their in laws is nothing shock or new to me. But as big of lowlives and waffles as the men on that show (and some of the women) can be, the writing never got this frigging stupid.

Even the frat boy version of Billy that Billy Miller stepped into playing when he was first cast was sexier than this. He may have all but openly resented Chloe, but he didn't have the nerve to bang her while mourning the lost opportunity with Mac.

[miamama]

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This is why I never bought into Jack and Phyllis as TrueLove.  I can't buy she loves anyone (even Daniel) more than herself. She has always been a destructive person to others in her self-serving way, [with her blogs, her deceptions and sexual exploits,] that I can't believe she is 'torn' emotionally between Billy and Jack.  The character I've seen would just chalk it all up to 'what's good for me' and shine everyone on.  (Or kill whomever gets in the way-lookout Brittany/Bethany!)  

I meant to comment on this earlier. Yes, I agree. But what changed for me was GT's portrayal and the writing post-MS. Phyllis had her moments but she was written as being truly in love with Jack, and GT sold it. When she was sitting at his bedside those weeks when he was comatose I felt as though that solidified it for me. Her devotion made up for years of shit treatment. Or if not made up went a long way in undoing it. I always felt I would only ever truly buy Phack if Phyllis were the one to win him with big big gestures and constant loyalty. We were almost there.

Then Philly. It's done now. Phyllis is ruined as a character. She was a psychopath and a schemer but show managed to fix that through relationships (especially with Jack) and years and years. And then GT undid a lot of the Phick damage. But this is ridiculous. You cheat on your husband while telling him he is the love of your life. Fine. Bad enough. But to destroy his relationship with his only brother as well? And all Jack is doing is being devoted to her. Constantly. He has a hottie like Hilary making a play for him but he isn't even tempted.

I honestly don't know where they go with her, besides another GC 40something fucked up woman. What's she going to do? Fight Victoria for Billy eventually? Really? They would go backwards with Phyllis?

What a waste. Phack could have been a power couple. 

[jewel21]

I don't understand how characters can change their mind/ideals/whatever not only from one eppy to the next, but from minute to minute.

Now today Billy doesn't care about his relationship with Jack? WTF? Why?

It's like the writers are all having a bipolar episode. Take your meds, guys! They're good for you!

[miamama]

So I couldn't help it and I watched. lol at Billy the cowboy who IS BURNING IN A FIRE OF WHAT HE WANTS. God almighty above who is writing this????? Who????? They should be fired and never be allowed to write anything ever again. It's soooooo fucking bad. Please make it stop.

So Bethany has Billy's number: He lets other people make his choices. She makes some good points about his divorce -- it was Vicky who initiated it. And Phyllis being the one to tell Jack. Okay, writers, all well and good but what about the STALKING? He's aggressively pursuing his brother's wife. He only sort of slowed down in the last hour (though it doesn't last). 

Then Phyllis -- over in a public place where she plans to tell Jack she's cheating on him with his brother -- imagines breaking Jack's heart, lies to him, listens to him assure her she never has reason to be jealous (which she believes), ditches him with bullshit about his foundation, kisses him lovingly on the mouth and goes to FUCK HIS BROTHER. Huh????????????? WHO BEHAVES LIKE THIS?????????

Then Billy - after declaring he should not have let poor widdle Phyllis go to mean old Jack alone -- prepares to GO FACE HIS ASSHOLE OF A BROTHER WHOSE WIFE HE'S FUCKING and instead they have sex.

Then afterwards (thankfully we didn't see it this time) they are so repulsed they can't even look at each other.

Billy: "I better get dressed."

Phyllis: "Yeah."

Okay, my thoughts: They are both on that motorcycle ride metaphorically speaking. They can't help themselves. They NEED the thrill. They want to ride free and not deal with the consequences of their lives or of responsibility (like telling Jack they are betraying him or, you know, stopping the betrayal altogether; or for Billy dealing with his messed up feelings for Vicki, who was just there) and so they just take another ride. But it's really gross now because their guilt is no longer being kept at bay by the thrill. 

Pratt really likes his metaphor. I can see it. I totally can. As usual he is missing the fact that people don't BEHAVE LIKE THIS.

But I sort of get it. Sadly.

Oh and I think Bethany may finally tell Jack or give him enough of a push to go to the mansion and find them (not tomorrow; there's no way he catches them tomorrow). She is into Billy and also she clearly felt bad for Jack today.

Edited June 14, 2016 by miamama

[HeatLifer]

34 minutes ago, miamama said:

Then Billy - after declaring he should not have let poor widdle Phyllis go to mean old Jack alone -- prepares to GO FACE HIS ASSHOLE OF A BROTHER WHOSE WIFE HE'S FUCKING and instead they have sex.

I'm still CRYING at this scene. I'm not kidding, it was that unintentionally funny. His anger at EVIL!JACK! for daring to have what he assumed to be an angry reaction to Poor!Phyllis! was some of the most shoddy writing I've seen in awhile. Whoever thought it was a good idea to try to portray Philly as victims........

[miamama]

37 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

I'm still CRYING at this scene. I'm not kidding, it was that unintentionally funny. His anger at EVIL!JACK! for daring to have what he assumed to be an angry reaction to Poor!Phyllis! was some of the most shoddy writing I've seen in awhile. Whoever thought it was a good idea to try to portray Philly as victims........

Right? Wouldn't a loving guilt-ridden brother wonder if Jack was ok? Like "How'd he take it?" "How bad was it (for Jack)?" Instead it was WHAT DID HE DO TO YOU????????

But if Jack mattered they couldn't possibly fuck. So it had to be about them. Again. This is all to drag this interminable affair from hell on and on. We have gone from hate/revenge connection to stalker/breathless meet ups to deep love to guilt. When will it END????????????

Though have you ever seen a soap affair in which only the second fuck they've ever had (in 8 months) was off-screen??? Lol

#worstaffairEVER

[HeatLifer]

15 minutes ago, miamama said:

Right? Wouldn't a loving guilt-ridden brother wonder if Jack was ok? Like "How'd he take it?" "How bad was it (for Jack)?" Instead it was WHAT DID HE DO TO YOU????????

But if Jack mattered they couldn't possibly fuck. So it had to be about them. Again. This is all to drag this interminable affair from hell on and on. We have gone from hate/revenge connection to stalker/breathless meet ups to deep love to guilt. When will it END????????????

Though have you ever seen a soap affair in which only the second fuck they've ever had (in 8 months) was off-screen??? Lol

#worstaffairEVER

The writers went a tad too far, as usual, with Billy. He was acting like Jack was going to physically harm Phyllis. It was so OTT and unreal. 

And Phyllis and Jack are just d-o-n-e in my eyes. The crap she allows Billy to spew about Jack and then sleeps with him as if those words are a turn on!? The disrespect is off the charts. I don't even care about the aftermath at this point. There's no point. The writing has changed too much day-to-day. Nothing is genuine from these characters.

I'm sure they're just waiting to show the third screw. Can't overwhelm the audience with all that hotness.

[PatsyandEddie]

The bestest thing of today's episode? Michael Roark aka Travis Crawford's smile. All I could think of,well okay not ALL I could think of,was why is this guy not playing Billy? Damn! 

[miamama]

6 hours ago, HeatLifer said:

The writers went a tad too far, as usual, with Billy. He was acting like Jack was going to physically harm Phyllis. It was so OTT and unreal. 

And Phyllis and Jack are just d-o-n-e in my eyes. The crap she allows Billy to spew about Jack and then sleeps with him as if those words are a turn on!? The disrespect is off the charts. I don't even care about the aftermath at this point. There's no point. The writing has changed too much day-to-day. Nothing is genuine from these characters.

I'm sure they're just waiting to show the third screw. Can't overwhelm the audience with all that hotness.

They are done for me too. Forever. But means nothing to show. Remember when Billy told Jack he was useless to Phyllis and was better off back on the island with Kelly? Jack got nothing to say in response. Didn't even get to express outrage or hurt. It was a throwaway line to show us how angry Billy was that Jack wouldn't support the pass key lie under oath. And since then Jack is all "I love my brother." "Let's be friends and hang out Billy." " I only want happiness for my brother."

Whoever wrote that line - script or breakdown writer - should be fired. That is a relationship shattering line, not a throwaway line. 

The problem on show isn't doppelgängers etc it is this kind of incompetence.

So all this disrespect? It means NOTHING except what show wanted to achieve in that ONE scene. (In this case passion-driven sex.) For viewers it's the kind of thing that kills what makes us give a damn about these people and relationships - in other words our desire to watch.

[TwistedSoul7]

Phyllis and Billy have reached the level of prop-dom that has me cackling. Billy said like 3 times in this episode he didn't care about this affair ending his relationship with Jack. Seriously? Who the hell is this man? This is not Billy. The fact they have to literally change the core of a character for this to work says everything. Isn't this the man he left his life in the hands of? But he doesn't care? WHAT?!

Edited June 14, 2016 by TwistedSoul7

[valleycliffe]

8 hours ago, HeatLifer said:

Whoever thought it was a good idea to try to portray Philly as victims........

sorta reminds of when when phick were hot and heavy and getting blasted for the cheating on sharon so in order to make them more acceptable, they had sharon kiss brad..however, she told nick what she had done, but he just got mad at her and conveniently forgot to tell her that he was regularily shtupping phyl..cassie grief yanno...then because icky phuck were still getting bad press, voila, sharon and brad sleep together...didn't matter sharon already knew about phyl being pregnant or the affair, sharon was now the bad guy..then her character kept on taking hit after hit after hit..hey, but phyl was now the good guy and everything was all sharon's fault.

i fully expect jack to do something so phucking philly will be justified in cuckolding jack.

[miamama]

48 minutes ago, TwistedSoul7 said:

Phyllis and Billy have reached the level of prop-dom that has me cackling. Billy said like 3 times in this episode he didn't care about this affair ending his relationship with Jack. Seriously? Who the hell is this man? This is not Billy. The fact they have to literally change the core of a character for this to work says everything. Isn't this the man he left his life in the hands of? But he doesn't care? WHAT?!

And for Phyllis??????? LMAO. This is some straight up embarrassing writing.

21 minutes ago, valleycliffe said:

sorta reminds of when when phick were hot and heavy and getting blasted for the cheating on sharon so in order to make them more acceptable, they had sharon kiss brad..however, she told nick what she had done, but he just got mad at her and conveniently forgot to tell her that he was regularily shtupping phyl..cassie grief yanno...then because icky phuck were still getting bad press, voila, sharon and brad sleep together...didn't matter sharon already knew about phyl being pregnant or the affair, sharon was now the bad guy..then her character kept on taking hit after hit after hit..hey, but phyl was now the good guy and everything was all sharon's fault.

i fully expect jack to do something so phucking philly will be justified in cuckolding jack.

The writers were better then, Valley. These writers will "show" us nothing. They'll just have characters say Jack deserved it because he's useless and a coward, while Philly have chemistry and angst. And Billy is HOT!

[NinjaPenguins]

Look at what Jack has already done. He exists, he breathes, he feels. Bastard. I'm surprised he's not ambushed with socks full of quarters by random strangers just for walking around all Jack Abbott like. Stupid asshole.

[HeatLifer]

2 hours ago, NinjaPenguins said:

Look at what Jack has already done. He exists, he breathes, he feels. Bastard. I'm surprised he's not ambushed with socks full of quarters by random strangers just for walking around all Jack Abbott like. Stupid asshole.

If only he was sexy like Sexy Billy.

[MollyB]

2 hours ago, miamama said:

he writers were better then, Valley. These writers will "show" us nothing. They'll just have characters say Jack deserved it because he's useless and a coward, while Philly have chemistry and angst. And Billy is HOT!

I would not be surprised if they use GhostJohn to berate Jack, pointing out all his husbandly flaws and lecturing him on poor Billy's faults that he (Jack) must understand and forgive.  GJ will also want Jack to rehabilitate Billy, save Jabot and find Mamie.

14 hours ago, miamama said:

Yes, I agree. But what changed for me was GT's portrayal and the writing post-MS. Phyllis had her moments but she was written as being truly in love with Jack, and GT sold it...Then Philly. It's done now. Phyllis is ruined as a character. She was a psychopath and a schemer but show managed to fix that through relationships (especially with Jack) and years and years.

And I, too, was on board with the Phack love, mostly because of GT's portrayal of the character.  Despite the fact that the first place she showed up publicly after she dragged her way back from Georgia was Shick's wedding, I still got that she was in love with Jack and just wanted to fuck up Sharon.  MS never convinced me of the love (of anyone)  because her delivery of every line to every character included a smirk and couldn't-care-less attitude that underlined the egoistic nature of the character.  To me, Phyllis is not ruined at this point-she is just back to who she always was, (someone with a long history of callous, destructive acts on just about everyone in GC).  Phack could have been a great story of psychological rehabilitation thru a good relationship.  It would have sent a strong message in the story and to the audience.  Instead, we get this insipid 'romance' that uses only the darkest sides of the character's makeup and contributes absolutely nothing to the show.  I'm not that needy, Pratthole, that I need second rate (not even one 'X') sex in the afternoon.

  #wouldnotpaytoseethis

[NinjaPenguins]

1 hour ago, HeatLifer said:

If only he was sexy like Sexy Billy.

You ain't lying, Heatlifer!

[HeatLifer]

Lollllll. I wasn't ready.

[peacheslatour]

1 hour ago, NinjaPenguins said:

You ain't lying, Heatlifer!

OMG it looks just like him! Now if we put some axle grease in his hair, he'd look just like the Spanish Fly. What is it about JFP and men that either are goat-faced, made of wood or resemble over cooked root vegetables?

[TwistedSoul7]

LOL Billy pulled that "chemistry" word out again in the CDN episode.

Philly decide to sneak around because they have to be together but can't hurt yet.

Okie dokie.

Also Victor is framing Adam. It seems the chick is Chloe.

[NinjaPenguins]

It's the nostrils, man. No one's ever ready for the nostrils.

[HeatLifer]

14 minutes ago, TwistedSoul7 said:

LOL Billy pulled that "chemistry" word out again in the CDN episode.

Philly decide to sneak around because they have to be together but can't hurt yet.

Okie dokie.

Also Victor is framing Adam. It seems the chick is Chloe.

The Phyllis and Billy in this episode were basically strangers to me. Jack might as well be someone they've only known for two days. That's how they treat him in this story.

[TwistedSoul7]

Bizarre writing. I guess Billy going MIA for a few days at the same time Phyllis does won't make him suspicious all. The fact they have to dumb down Jack so much to make this affair works is infuriating. 

[miamama]

You guys, seriously? This is their plan? Jack almost catches them (obviously the didn't?) and they decide to be better at sneaking around? Come the fuck on.

It's what TS said upthread. The story ends when Jack finds out and they are milking it for everything they can.

[HeatLifer]

1 minute ago, TwistedSoul7 said:

Bizarre writing. I guess Billy going MIA for a few days at the same time Phyllis does won't make him suspicious all. The fact they have to dumb down Jack so much to make this affair works is infuriating. 

Phyllis tells Jack she doesn't want to go away with him and then plans this crap with Billy. So they can screw in peace. And Jack has to just sit around until the show wants him to find out.

And I'm supposed to root for Philly? LOLOLOL.

[miamama]

2 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

Phyllis tells Jack she doesn't want to go away with him and then plans this crap with Billy. So they can screw in peace. And Jack has to just sit around until the show wants him to find out.

And I'm supposed to root for Philly? LOLOLOL.

wow. So Philly is planning a trip away? Are you fucking KIDDING ME???????

She just told Jack marrying him was the best decision she ever made (like five minutes before fucking Billy), he almost catches them and this turns them on?

Who LIKES THIS? It's horrifying. 

[valleycliffe]

40 minutes ago, TwistedSoul7 said:

LOL Billy pulled that "chemistry" word out again in the CDN episode.

Philly decide to sneak around because they have to be together but can't hurt yet.

Okie dokie.

Also Victor is framing Adam. It seems the chick is Chloe.

so, victor REALLY DID set up adam with the journal?

asshat

[miamama]

^^Victor continues to pull all evil strings, even from prison. 

In case anyone was wondering why JFP (and likely Pratt) were fired.

JFC.

I am reading on Twitter that Phyllis turns down Jack's request for a holiday and asks Billy to take her away. I got nothing to comment.

Question however: What is the end game here? Is Jack going to be driven to murder them both? They deserve it.

[TwistedSoul7]

4 minutes ago, miamama said:

wow. So Philly is planning a trip away? Are you fucking KIDDING ME???????

She just told Jack marrying him was the best decision she ever made (like five minutes before fucking Billy), he almost catches them and this turns them on?

Who LIKES THIS? It's horrifying. 

Jack planned a romantic retreat. She declined and blamed the fact she already had a work engagement out of town. He understood and when he went to cancel the retreat, she called Billy and told him they were going away together. 

 

1 minute ago, valleycliffe said:

so, victor REALLY DID set up adam with the journal?

asshat

Yes. We see a flashback of him talking to a mystery woman who loathes Adam and will help him as long as it takes down Adam. 

AKA Chloe.

[valleycliffe]

LOL  i have to laugh at how indignant turd gets when he was accused of framing adam...psychopathic liar.

[HeatLifer]

5 minutes ago, miamama said:

wow. So Philly is planning a trip away? Are you fucking KIDDING ME???????

She just told Jack marrying him was the best decision she ever made (like five minutes before fucking Billy), he almost catches them and this turns them on?

Who LIKES THIS? It's horrifying. 

I'm sure they'll just end up vacaying on Billy's floor. Phyllis probs just doesn't want to go back and forth between Jack and Billy. Poor girl, life is so hard.

Phyllis is full of shit. If this show wanted to completely destroy Jack's relationships with Phyllis and Billy, mission accomplished. This isn't the average soap affair, in my opinion. The average soap affair makes the VICTIM relevant in some way. Because if they're not relevant, the truth being revealed means NOTHING. If Phyllis doesn't love Jack and Billy doesn't care about Jack, the truth means NOTHING.

How does someone fuck up this story that much?

[miamama]

1 minute ago, HeatLifer said:

I'm sure they'll just end up vacaying on Billy's floor. Phyllis probs just doesn't want to go back and forth between Jack and Billy. Poor girl, life is so hard.

Phyllis is full of shit. If this show wanted to completely destroy Jack's relationships with Phyllis and Billy, mission accomplished. This isn't the average soap affair, in my opinion. The average soap affair makes the VICTIM relevant in some way. Because if they're not relevant, the truth being revealed means NOTHING. If Phyllis doesn't love Jack and Billy doesn't care about Jack, the truth means NOTHING.

How does someone fuck up this story that much?

I'm feeling the same things I felt with the Marco story. Pratt goes all big ass over the top explosive in the set up and then misses every emotional beat as the story plays out.

A new regime will be writing the longer term fallout, so maybe there's hope. No one can be as stupid as Pratt. No one.

What a hateful bitch Phyllis is. I can't even believe she would do this vacation thing (turn Jack down and then go away with Billy). It's off the charts cruel. She clearly is not in love with Billy. If she were Jack would know and she'd be free. She's getting off on the hiding. But to choose to lie and keep an affair going with your BROTHER IN LAW? 

I don't know. Maybe I am the morality police. I can't with this. It's really sickening to me. It's like the torture porn, but worse. We all knew Kelly was going to die. Philly are THE STORY.

[NinjaPenguins]

Phyllis rarely acts happy around Billy and most of their conversations revolve around what shitheels they both are. So hot.

Hillary is using Jack, but even she treats him with less contempt than the two most important people in his life.

[HeatLifer]

14 minutes ago, miamama said:

I'm feeling the same things I felt with the Marco story. Pratt goes all big ass over the top explosive in the set up and then misses every emotional beat as the story plays out.

A new regime will be writing the longer term fallout, so maybe there's hope. No one can be as stupid as Pratt. No one.

What a hateful bitch Phyllis is. I can't even believe she would do this vacation thing (turn Jack down and then go away with Billy). It's off the charts cruel. She clearly is not in love with Billy. If she were Jack would know and she'd be free. She's getting off on the hiding. But to choose to lie and keep an affair going with your BROTHER IN LAW? 

I don't know. Maybe I am the morality police. I can't with this. It's really sickening to me. It's like the torture porn, but worse. We all knew Kelly was going to die. Philly are THE STORY.

For me, it's not even about right/wrong, tbh. It's soaps. Cheating happens. I get it. But 1) I NEVER like cheating/affair stories. Not my cup of tea., and 2) It's the JACK part that annoys me. It's the fact that PB has to be off to the side while TWO RECASTS carry the story with PB's LOVE INTEREST. Where is PB in this story besides looking like a joke? His character can't even have a single clue? REALLY? We have to watch him go to Billy's and tell him to basically screw his wife without actually knowing that's what he's telling Billy? I'm over it. I ain't entertained watching a longtime character and vet actor be sacrificed for "HOTNESS."