Season 10: Goodbye, Adam Schiff!

[Xeliou66]

47 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Amazing. Skoda was able to correctly analyze the sociopathic tween killer Jenny in “Killerz”, but was TOTALLY snowed by Laura (Ellen Pompeo) in “Fools for Love”???

It’s also apparent in this season, that Jack is cutting a LOT more corners and closed minded about the guilt of a defendant/quick to make plea deals. “Patsy” wasn’t a good look for him.

And the hypocrisy of Adam-yes, ADAM! About having the office “getting in bed” with the mob in “Trade This” while making excuses and rationalizing the hiring mob hit man to kill by Regina Mulroney to cover her daughter’s committing murder in “Entitlement, Part 2”.

That episode also made me so bitter, because Olivia and Elliott appeared and while it was their first season, how the show became such a shitfest within 5 years. And CRAGEN!!!! 

Entitled was a disappointment to me - they had a great opportunity to follow up on the case from Mayhem about the serial killer, but instead of focusing on that plot, they focused on the Mulroney family plot, and while the identified the serial killer it was unclear whether he would be convicted of the murders or not. I really wish they had just focused on that plot, especially given how memorable Mayhem was, but instead we got a convoluted episode that was hard to follow and no real resolution to the serial killer case. And I didn’t think Adam was a hypocrite, he didn’t make excuses for the Mulroney’s actions, he just was a bit blinded to the reality of the case because of his friendship with Regina Mulroney. I did like that they referenced the death of Adam’s wife in that episode, the only time they did so after it happened, in his conversation with Regina. Briscoe and Munch together was enjoyable as always, but overall Entitled was a disappointment.

And I agree that Jack didn’t look good in Patsy, that was an intriguing case but yeah Jack didn’t seem to consider the possibility the guy was innocent until the very end. I do like that L&O didn’t make its main characters flawless and they were sometimes wrong, like they were in Patsy. 

[Arcadiasw]

On 12/31/2021 at 5:47 PM, Xeliou66 said:

In the episode before that one, episode 23 Stiff, Adam says at the end “cases like this make me take a look at my retirement plan” or something like that, so they definitely hinted that he was thinking about retiring. I 

Curious but was Steven Hill's departure announced before season 10 ended or before season 11 began? 

[Xeliou66]

3 minutes ago, Arcadiasw said:

Curious but was Steven Hill's departure announced before season 10 ended or before season 11 began? 

I don’t know for sure, I don’t think it was announced before season 10 ended, I think it was after the season ended, but they obviously had an idea he might not be back.

Edited January 2, 2022 by Xeliou66

[GHScorpiosRule]

6 minutes ago, Arcadiasw said:

Curious but was Steven Hill's departure announced before season 10 ended or before season 11 began? 

 

3 minutes ago, Xeliou66 said:

I don’t know for sure, I don’t think it was announced before season 10 ended, I think it was after the season ended, but they obviously had an idea he might not be back.

If I recall correctly, I think Entertainment Tonight did a special or story about the 10 years and it would be Hill’s last season. It might have been after the season ended.

[Prairie Rose]

Jerry Orbach and Sam Waterston were both Emmy-nominated for their work this season for Lead Actor in a Drama Series (for "Marathon" and "Killerz", respectively), but both lost to James Gandolfini of The Sopranos. I really liked "Marathon" because as congenial as the Briscoe/Green pairing became, this episode proves it sure didn't start off that way! The tension keeps building until we hear Van Buren's booming "BRISCOE!! In...my...office." The suspect was such a punk that the moment when it is proven that Lennie was right about him all along was that much more satisfying. "My old pal Bobby finally came clean, huh? You can tell him I'll be doing this job from my wheelchair." Perfect!!

[Halting Hex]

I always find "Trade This" sadly hilarious for the utter relief that the murdered Sean's parents show at discovering that the "stripper" calendar was just a front for the blackmail payoffs.  Paraphrasing:

MOM:  It was just something he did in college.  Our son wasn't gay, [name].
DAD:  Oh, thank God.
MOM:  I know, I know.
DAD:  I mean, getting shot to a bloody death because Sean was blackmailing his boss about a mob-connected money-laundering scheme is one thing.  But when I thought he might have had another man's penis inside of him…I wanted to die, myself.
MOM:  It's all right, honey.
DAD:  Even a girlfriend using a strap-on…

9 years after "The Reaper's Helper", and it's still a work in progress.  Sigh.

Edited February 22, 2022 by Halting Hex

[Xeliou66]

Justice was on tonight, this is a really good episode, it was nice to see Jamie Ross return as a defense attorney. It was clever of Jack to have Jamie testify against Judge Wolinsky, even if they couldn’t make the charges stick against Wolinsky, it got Jamie’s testimony on the record, and that was enough to get Gordon put away and clear the innocent guy. 

I loved Adam’s “lit your own petard, my boy” line to Jack when discussing how Jack pressured Jamie to sell out Gordon and she resigned as counsel, Adam’s delivery was perfect as always. The episode was very heavy on the legal stuff, it was nice to see Jamie again and have her still as a strong character despite being a defense attorney, it just makes me all the more pissed off how they crapped on her in the premiere of the current season, she was always very ethical. 

[Prairie Rose]

21 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

Justice was on tonight, this is a really good episode, it was nice to see Jamie Ross return as a defense attorney. 

Jamie has to have the most interesting career trajectory on this show - defense attorney to ADA to defense attorney to judge to ADA!!! 😯😂

[Xeliou66]

I just watched Sundown - I love this episode, really strong case with some good twists and memorable scenes, and some good humorous stuff as well. The killer was an asshole and wasn’t sympathetic to me, yes he was coming down with a terrible disease but he was a controlling prick who killed his wife over an affair, and he was sane when he did it, I liked when Skoda got him to explode and show his nastiness, Skoda’s always great at getting people to show their true selves. It was a tough situation the DA’s were in but it would’ve been a miscarriage of justice if the killer was set free due to his health, I really liked Jack’s argument to the judge about how the killer was sane when he committed the murder and it would be wrong to set him free.

There was good humorous stuff in this as well - the guy stealing hospital food and stockpiling it at his house was funny, and of course Rodgers’ “free javelins” line is a classic. I also liked the scene where Abbie, Van Buren, Skoda and Rodgers discussed the case - I think it’s the only time in L&O history we had a prosecutor, a police officer, an ME and a psych expert in the same scene together. Terrific episode overall, one of my favorites.

Edited March 30, 2022 by Xeliou66

[GHScorpiosRule]

Oh, Jack, Jack, Jack! He proved he was just as tunnel visioned as that asshat Judge Wolinsky from "Justice" in "Patsy" when he refused to admit he was wrong about Taylor killing Julie, the victim's sister. There was evidence that Cecilia was obsessed and framed him for HER landing herself in a coma. And that last line about asking her how her sister's (Julie) hair was found in the trunk of the car she ditched when she wakes up? When he knows that will probably never happen? 

Jack was like a spoiled child who didn't get what he wanted because Garnett was successful in arguing an alternate theory of the crime. Garnett was an interesting character; while I didn't love him, I didn't hate him, either. And he wasn't an asshole in here as he was in "Denial."

Edited April 3, 2022 by GHScorpiosRule

[Xeliou66]

11 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Oh, Jack, Jack, Jack! He proved he was just as tunnel visioned as that asshat Judge Wolinsky from "Justice" in "Patsy" when he refused to admit he was wrong about Taylor killing Julie, the victim's sister. There was evidence that Cecilia was obsessed and framed him for HER landing herself in a coma. And that last line about asking her how her sister's (Julie) hair was found in the trunk of the car she ditched when she wakes up? When he knows that will probably never happen? 

Jack was like a spoiled child who didn't get what he wanted because Gardner was successful in arguing an alternate theory of the crime. Gardner was an interesting character; while I didn't love him, I didn't hate him, either. And he wasn't an asshole in here as he was in "Denial."

Garnett you mean, not Gardner. I liked Garnett, he was a sharp defense attorney, and I completely agree with you about being irritated with Jack in Patsy, he refused to see that his theory was wrong, it was only at the very end that I think Jack realized he was wrong the whole time. It was one of the few times I was annoyed with Jack, he had massive tunnel vision in that episode.

[GHScorpiosRule]

41 minutes ago, Xeliou66 said:

Garnett you mean, not Gardner. I liked Garnett, he was a sharp defense attorney, and I completely agree with you about being irritated with Jack in Patsy, he refused to see that his theory was wrong, it was only at the very end that I think Jack realized he was wrong the whole time. It was one of the few times I was annoyed with Jack, he had massive tunnel vision in that episode.

D’OH!! Yes, I meant Garnett! Fixed it. While Jack admitted he was wrong about the attempted murder on Cecilia, he just couldn’t let it go and went after Taylor for Julie’s murder.

[Columbo]

After watching Killerz part of me can't help wondering if the judge would have been so lenient if Jenny was a Jeremy. Because that little girl was clearly unhinged.

[GHScorpiosRule]

8 minutes ago, Columbo said:

After watching Killerz part of me can't help wondering if the judge would have been so lenient if Jenny was a Jeremy. Because that little girl was clearly unhinged.

Seriously! I'm surprised Jack didn't throw out the line that the next kid she killed would be on the judge's hands. So many times when they've prosecuted killers, we've learned that they started early by killing pets, and something should have been done then. And here they caught a sociopath, but nooo, she can still be "fixed." 🙄 It just reminded me of Season four's "Born Bad" where the 14 year old kid just told his lawyer to stop fighting for him, because both she and Stone were saying he was a killer and no chance of redemption. Of course the defense was arguing he had an extra y chromosome that was the cause. But he was allowed to plead guilty.

Jack was right, as was Skoda. They caught her early.

[andromeda331]

On 4/3/2022 at 4:00 PM, GHScorpiosRule said:

Oh, Jack, Jack, Jack! He proved he was just as tunnel visioned as that asshat Judge Wolinsky from "Justice" in "Patsy" when he refused to admit he was wrong about Taylor killing Julie, the victim's sister. There was evidence that Cecilia was obsessed and framed him for HER landing herself in a coma. And that last line about asking her how her sister's (Julie) hair was found in the trunk of the car she ditched when she wakes up? When he knows that will probably never happen? 

Jack was like a spoiled child who didn't get what he wanted because Garnett was successful in arguing an alternate theory of the crime. Garnett was an interesting character; while I didn't love him, I didn't hate him, either. And he wasn't an asshole in here as he was in "Denial."

That really surprised me. I get in the beginning it really looked like Taylor did it. But when it turned out it also could have been Cecelia. I really wanted him to have doubts and back off. By the end it really could have been Cecelia behind the whole thing. But he still refuses to consider it. I don't really get it why either. That's still one of my favorite twists.  

13 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Seriously! I'm surprised Jack didn't throw out the line that the next kid she killed would be on the judge's hands. So many times when they've prosecuted killers, we've learned that they started early by killing pets, and something should have been done then. And here they caught a sociopath, but nooo, she can still be "fixed." 🙄 It just reminded me of Season four's "Born Bad" where the 14 year old kid just told his lawyer to stop fighting for him, because both she and Stone were saying he was a killer and no chance of redemption. Of course the defense was arguing he had an extra y chromosome that was the cause. But he was allowed to plead guilty.

Jack was right, as was Skoda. They caught her early.

I wish he had. That's exactly what the judge did. Let a killer go free who definitely will kill again. It's too late for her to be fixed. If she really cared about the girl he would have locked her up so she doesn't end up killing again.  I really wish they had followed that one up. The next victim's parents sues the judge and everyone else who let her off the hook.

Edited April 6, 2022 by andromeda331

[GHScorpiosRule]

37 minutes ago, andromeda331 said:

If he really cared about the girl he would have locked her up so she doesn't end up killing again. 

She. Judge Solomon was a woman.

[Xeliou66]

Yes Killerz was infuriating, I found the dumbass mom of Jenny to be the one that pissed me off the most, she was a lousy parent and then her whining “don’t take her away, she’s my best friend” - well maybe if you had spent more time being a parent to your “best friend” this wouldn’t have happened. It was so pathetic on the judge’s part to send her right back to the same situation she was in before with minimal supervision. 

[andromeda331]

14 minutes ago, Xeliou66 said:

Yes Killerz was infuriating, I found the dumbass mom of Jenny to be the one that pissed me off the most, she was a lousy parent and then her whining “don’t take her away, she’s my best friend” - well maybe if you had spent more time being a parent to your “best friend” this wouldn’t have happened. It was so pathetic on the judge’s part to send her right back to the same situation she was in before with minimal supervision. 

Yeah, her mother was so worthless. It could have been prevented if she bothered to parent her kid at all. Jenny might not have ended up so bad or any behavior problems could have been stopped or addressed earlier.  Stupid Judge nothing was going to change. 

26 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

She. Judge Solomon was a woman.

Oops, sorry.

[AnnieBananie]

On 4/5/2022 at 10:53 PM, andromeda331 said:

It could have been prevented if she bothered to parent her kid at all.

EXACTLY. Parents who don't parent and/or call their kids their best friends really grind my gears. Jenny was doomed.

[GHScorpiosRule]

3 minutes ago, AnnieBananie said:

EXACTLY. Parents who don't parent and/or call their kids their best friends really grind my gears. Jenny was doomed.

Plus she was prostituting/bringing the men into their home where her daughter could see and was even in danger of being molested/raped.

[Cobalt Stargazer]

On 4/5/2022 at 7:31 PM, Xeliou66 said:

Yes Killerz was infuriating, I found the dumbass mom of Jenny to be the one that pissed me off the most, she was a lousy parent and then her whining “don’t take her away, she’s my best friend” - well maybe if you had spent more time being a parent to your “best friend” this wouldn’t have happened. It was so pathetic on the judge’s part to send her right back to the same situation she was in before with minimal supervision. 

What gets me is that the judge seemed genuinely troubled after Skoda and Olivet testified, that she was really considering doing more than just sending Jenny back to that environment.  She thanks them both before she goes to do her deliberating, and it seemed like she was giving weight to what Skoda said about how Jenny had already killed someone and would do it again because she was damaged. Weird that she would come back with a decision that had no teeth to it, even if she did tell the useless mother that she would be monitoring the situation.

[Xeliou66]

Surrender Dorothy was on tonight, this is a fantastic episode, maybe my favorite of season 10, great case, investigation and legal stuff. Harlan Graham was such a smug, manipulative bastard, he had no regard for anyone but himself, and he thought he could outsmart everyone and manipulate the jury with his false confession to murder. Jack’s closing argument was really great, he did a great job of laying out all of the proof of Graham driving Dorothy to suicide and telling them how he was responsible and was trying to manipulate the jury.

Some really good twists throughout the episode, and it took good work from all of the characters to figure it out.

I liked Skoda explaining to Jack and Abbie how Graham manipulated his daughter in law and how he was responsible for her death, and then assisting them in getting the daughter to turn on her father.

Lennie was at his best with some one liners in this one, I love his “you better hope you’re waiter isn’t a Yankees fan” to the suspect who was a Mets fan, and especially his “take your on advice doc, surrender with love” when arresting Graham.

Really a great episode all around, it might be my favorite of season 10, which was full of great episodes.

[Xeliou66]

High & Low, another stellar season 10 episode, was on today, some real pieces of garbage in this episode, those 2 pieces of shit Neo-Nazi brothers who carried out the murder were pure scum, the strip club owner who hired them was a piece of shit, and James Harris has to be one of the most pathetic losers ever, he was so enthralled with the porn star that he didn’t care about anything else and sandbagged the prosecutions case, I loved when Jack said he’s had it with Harris when Harris was whining like a baby bitch in his office, and I loved when Judge McNeil berated him when sentencing him, I have mixed feelings about Judge McNeil but he was great here. 

Very complex and good plot with the insider trading and the strip clubs, a lot of good twists and turns, it was more complex than the usual L&O plot but it all made sense at the end.

Edited June 23, 2022 by Xeliou66

[Xeliou66]

Some good season 10 episodes on tonight - Justice, with the return of Jamie Ross, this is a strong episode, it was a good case and I really liked the debates between Jack and Jamie about what to do, and it was interesting seeing Jamie put in a difficult position, but she did the right thing, I appreciated how they didn’t ruin Jamie’s character or make her different when she returned, which makes me even angrier at how they treated her in season 21. It was clever how Jack brought charges against Wolinsky to get Jamie’s testimony on the record, and it was satisfying how they were able to put Gordon away and clear the innocent guy. I love Adam’s “lit your own petard, my boy” line to Jack, just his delivery of it was hilarious, Adam had the best lines. Very strong episode.

Next up was Marathon, the episode where Briscoe and Green have major tension between them, this is the only episode where I can recall them being at odds, it was a frustrating case from start to finish, Briscoe was telling the truth all along and he got treated somewhat unfairly I thought, it was weird how Van Buren doubted him and seemed to be in a foul mood from the start. It was also frustrating how the killer got such a light sentence, but the DA’s had to make the deal, a serial rapist was loose and they made the right call cutting a deal in exchange for him giving the guy up.

[andromeda331]

41 minutes ago, Xeliou66 said:

Some good season 10 episodes on tonight - Justice, with the return of Jamie Ross, this is a strong episode, it was a good case and I really liked the debates between Jack and Jamie about what to do, and it was interesting seeing Jamie put in a difficult position, but she did the right thing, I appreciated how they didn’t ruin Jamie’s character or make her different when she returned, which makes me even angrier at how they treated her in season 21. It was clever how Jack brought charges against Wolinsky to get Jamie’s testimony on the record, and it was satisfying how they were able to put Gordon away and clear the innocent guy. I love Adam’s “lit your own petard, my boy” line to Jack, just his delivery of it was hilarious, Adam had the best lines. Very strong episode.

That was a good episode. I like how Jamie got around Jack's attempts to force her by resigning has the guy's lawyer. Adam being impressed by that. The judge was horrible. He knew the man was innocent but didn't care. I'm not surprised he didn't go to jail. It's really hard to get judges removed from office let alone convicted of a crime. I wish the cop had come forward before the decision was made. He looked really ticked off when the judge was blaming everyone else for making mistakes but him. 

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Next up was Marathon, the episode where Briscoe and Green have major tension between them, this is the only episode where I can recall them being at odds, it was a frustrating case from start to finish, Briscoe was telling the truth all along and he got treated somewhat unfairly I thought, it was weird how Van Buren doubted him and seemed to be in a foul mood from the start. It was also frustrating how the killer got such a light sentence, but the DA’s had to make the deal, a serial rapist was loose and they made the right call cutting a deal in exchange for him giving the guy up.

That's what I dislike about the episode. No one believing Briscoe. Green and especially Van Buren had known him long enough to know he was telling the truth.

[Xeliou66]

10 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

That was a good episode. I like how Jamie got around Jack's attempts to force her by resigning has the guy's lawyer. Adam being impressed by that. The judge was horrible. He knew the man was innocent but didn't care. I'm not surprised he didn't go to jail. It's really hard to get judges removed from office let alone convicted of a crime. I wish the cop had come forward before the decision was made. He looked really ticked off when the judge was blaming everyone else for making mistakes but him. 

That's what I dislike about the episode. No one believing Briscoe. Green and especially Van Buren had known him long enough to know he was telling the truth.

Yeah I liked how Jamie got around things by resigning as his lawyer as well. Yeah Wolinsky was sorry, he was so arrogant that he refused to acknowledge he prosecuted the wrong guy, I hope the bad publicity from this case forced him to resign from the bench even if he wouldn’t face legal consequences. It was a good episode with a strong plot.

In Marathon, I didn’t get Van Buren, she had known Lennie for a long time and knew he was a good detective, so I didn’t get why she was so reluctant to believe him. Van Buren was in a foul mood from the start, but I just didn’t get why she doubted Lennie. 

[Xeliou66]

Fools For Love was just on, this may be the darkest episode of L&O, such a disturbing case that was closely based on a real case. Peter Williams and his girlfriend were just pure sickos, it doesn’t get much sicker than the girlfriend enjoying watching Williams rape her sister and actively participating in the rape, and being so enthralled with the piece of shit that she still wanted the earrings that her psycho boyfriend gave her and seemed to be more focused on getting them back than on the fact that she helped this sick bastard kill her sister and another girl. I liked how at the end both Jack and Abbie were disturbed by the horrors of the case, with Abbie saying “how do you wash it off” and Jack replying “wish I knew”, it was one of L&O’s most twisted cases. Interesting to see Stabler and Benson assist with the case, good crossover cameos.

[andromeda331]

On 9/16/2022 at 3:48 PM, Xeliou66 said:

Fools For Love was just on, this may be the darkest episode of L&O, such a disturbing case that was closely based on a real case. Peter Williams and his girlfriend were just pure sickos, it doesn’t get much sicker than the girlfriend enjoying watching Williams rape her sister and actively participating in the rape, and being so enthralled with the piece of shit that she still wanted the earrings that her psycho boyfriend gave her and seemed to be more focused on getting them back than on the fact that she helped this sick bastard kill her sister and another girl. I liked how at the end both Jack and Abbie were disturbed by the horrors of the case, with Abbie saying “how do you wash it off” and Jack replying “wish I knew”, it was one of L&O’s most twisted cases. Interesting to see Stabler and Benson assist with the case, good crossover cameos.

It's definitely one of the most disturbing murders. The real case that it was drawn from is much, much worse. 

[Xeliou66]

2 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

It's definitely one of the most disturbing murders. The real case that it was drawn from is much, much worse. 

Yeah it’s very disturbing, both perps were real sickos, and in the real case the female perp got out after a few years as they didn’t realize how involved she was when she was sentenced. 

[andromeda331]

On 9/22/2022 at 9:44 AM, Xeliou66 said:

Yeah it’s very disturbing, both perps were real sickos, and in the real case the female perp got out after a few years as they didn’t realize how involved she was when she was sentenced. 

Yeah, that was infuriating. She should never have been let out. She was every bit as much of a sicko as her boyfriend/husband. She had no problem offering up her sister for rape and didn't care when she was killed.  

[Xeliou66]

I’m watching season 10 tonight - Sundown was on, this is a great episode - it was an interesting debate about what to do with the old guy with Alzheimer’s who killed his wife - I was glad the guy was held accountable for his crime, he was sane at the time of the murder, I loved Skoda provoking him and getting him to admit he knew what he was doing. I liked Jack’s argument at the end about how Hallenback faced a grim future in prison but it was a future largely of his own making because he murdered his wife because she was having an affair and was sane when he did it, and that he deserved to be punished for murder, and I also liked his point about how Hallenback would be receiving the same treatment as everyone else incarcerated, he wasn’t being inflicted with pain for pain’s sake. The daughter was overly attached to her dad, and I didn’t get why, he was an asshole and a control freak, and he didn’t even seem sorry he did it when talking about with Skoda or when pleading guilty at the end, he was just whining that he needed his wife to take care of him. I did like Schiff’s ending line about how one day we might all wish we had a kid like that, regarding the daughter’s devotion. It was a very interesting episode, one of my favorites of the season. Plus it has some great one liners, particularly Rodgers’ “free javelins” line.

Next up was Loco Parentis, with the macho jackass dad buying his disturbed kid weapons and encouraging his violent behavior. I was glad the wife turned on him at the end, but she should’ve done it sooner, the guy was abusive and she could’ve protected her kids. It was interesting how Adam was the one who wanted to go after the dad hard, while Jack had reservations. Good case with a good investigation into the crime. It was a low blow of the defense attorney to bring up the death of Lennie’s daughter when crossing him, he was pulling no punches, I liked how Lennie replied he didn’t give his daughter the drugs, you could see the pain on Lennie’s face when asked. 

[andromeda331]

4 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

I’m watching season 10 tonight - Sundown was on, this is a great episode - it was an interesting debate about what to do with the old guy with Alzheimer’s who killed his wife - I was glad the guy was held accountable for his crime, he was sane at the time of the murder, I loved Skoda provoking him and getting him to admit he knew what he was doing. I liked Jack’s argument at the end about how Hallenback faced a grim future in prison but it was a future largely of his own making because he murdered his wife because she was having an affair and was sane when he did it, and that he deserved to be punished for murder, and I also liked his point about how Hallenback would be receiving the same treatment as everyone else incarcerated, he wasn’t being inflicted with pain for pain’s sake. The daughter was overly attached to her dad, and I didn’t get why, he was an asshole and a control freak, and he didn’t even seem sorry he did it when talking about with Skoda or when pleading guilty at the end, he was just whining that he needed his wife to take care of him. I did like Schiff’s ending line about how one day we might all wish we had a kid like that, regarding the daughter’s devotion. It was a very interesting episode, one of my favorites of the season. Plus it has some great one liners, particularly Rodgers’ “free javelins” line.

It was a good episode. The questioning whether he was sane or not at the time since he did have problems. Had he not been sane probably I'd be happy for him locked up in a hospital. But he was clearly sane when he did it. Given how controlling he was I wonder how much he used not being sane to get what he wanted. He didn't kill his wife because she had an affair and he was hurt. He killed her because he wanted her to take care of him. That's it. That's all her purpose was. It was all about him. I don't know why the daughter was so devoted to her father either. He was a terrible person. Didn't she care at all about her mother? "Free javelins" was hilarious.

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Next up was Loco Parentis, with the macho jackass dad buying his disturbed kid weapons and encouraging his violent behavior. I was glad the wife turned on him at the end, but she should’ve done it sooner, the guy was abusive and she could’ve protected her kids. It was interesting how Adam was the one who wanted to go after the dad hard, while Jack had reservations. Good case with a good investigation into the crime. It was a low blow of the defense attorney to bring up the death of Lennie’s daughter when crossing him, he was pulling no punches, I liked how Lennie replied he didn’t give his daughter the drugs, you could see the pain on Lennie’s face when asked. 

 

I'm glad the wife finally spoke up but damn she should have done it a lot sooner. He was turning their son into a psycho. How she could say nothing while he was being raised that way. Sooner or later something bad was going to happen. Maybe if she had her son wouldn't be a murderer. It was a fun switch that Adam wanted the father prosecuted instead of Jack. The father was a piece of work but there are a lot of fathers out there like that. Lennie did a good job responding to the defense lawyer's question. I wised he hadn't asked it thought. I get what he was trying to do but that was a crappy thing to do.  

Panic kind of cracked me up with the cops, Van Buren and others wondering why after writing so many books P.K'.s latest book wasn't good or she phoned it in. Ah most authors have at a few books that aren't their best work or phoned it. Readers can always tell when their favorite author phoned it in. Most authors know not all their books are their best work. Even Castle on Castle was surprised by the books the murderer in the first episode picked to copies murders from because they weren't their best work. If it's a book series it usually does after awhile. I felt bad for the murder victim no one thought he was worth killing. That's kind of sad.

 

 

 

 

 

[Xeliou66]

10 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

It was a good episode. The questioning whether he was sane or not at the time since he did have problems. Had he not been sane probably I'd be happy for him locked up in a hospital. But he was clearly sane when he did it. Given how controlling he was I wonder how much he used not being sane to get what he wanted. He didn't kill his wife because she had an affair and he was hurt. He killed her because he wanted her to take care of him. That's it. That's all her purpose was. It was all about him. I don't know why the daughter was so devoted to her father either. He was a terrible person. Didn't she care at all about her mother? "Free javelins" was hilarious.

I'm glad the wife finally spoke up but damn she should have done it a lot sooner. He was turning their son into a psycho. How she could say nothing while he was being raised that way. Sooner or later something bad was going to happen. Maybe if she had her son wouldn't be a murderer. It was a fun switch that Adam wanted the father prosecuted instead of Jack. The father was a piece of work but there are a lot of fathers out there like that. Lennie did a good job responding to the defense lawyer's question. I wised he hadn't asked it thought. I get what he was trying to do but that was a crappy thing to do.  

Panic kind of cracked me up with the cops, Van Buren and others wondering why after writing so many books P.K'.s latest book wasn't good or she phoned it in. Ah most authors have at a few books that aren't their best work or phoned it. Readers can always tell when their favorite author phoned it in. Most authors know not all their books are their best work. Even Castle on Castle was surprised by the books the murderer in the first episode picked to copies murders from because they weren't their best work. If it's a book series it usually does after awhile. I felt bad for the murder victim no one thought he was worth killing. That's kind of sad.

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah Sundown is a great episode - I thought it was an interesting debate about what to do with the killer, but he was sane when he committed the crime and he deserved to be punished for it, and I thought Jack’s final argument before the judge was really good, and I loved Skoda getting the killer to lash out. I also liked ME Rodgers telling them it was a large ring that made the bruise on the victim’s head, leading them to realize who the killer was. And the scene with Abbie, Van Buren, Skoda and Rodgers at the DA’s office was really good and unique, it was unusual for all of those characters to be in a scene together. The daughter was really attached to the old guy for some reason, even though he was a total asshole. 

[andromeda331]

13 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

Yeah Sundown is a great episode - I thought it was an interesting debate about what to do with the killer, but he was sane when he committed the crime and he deserved to be punished for it, and I thought Jack’s final argument before the judge was really good, and I loved Skoda getting the killer to lash out. I also liked ME Rodgers telling them it was a large ring that made the bruise on the victim’s head, leading them to realize who the killer was. And the scene with Abbie, Van Buren, Skoda and Rodgers at the DA’s office was really good and unique, it was unusual for all of those characters to be in a scene together. The daughter was really attached to the old guy for some reason, even though he was a total asshole. 

Yeah, it really is. Jack's final argument was really good. Skoda once again gets a killer to blow their own defense. I liked the scene with everyone at the DA's office. I think it's the only time that's ever happened. I wish we had a couple more of them. Along with a couple more of Van Buren and Adam. They were always very interesting.

[Xeliou66]

11 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

Yeah, it really is. Jack's final argument was really good. Skoda once again gets a killer to blow their own defense. I liked the scene with everyone at the DA's office. I think it's the only time that's ever happened. I wish we had a couple more of them. Along with a couple more of Van Buren and Adam. They were always very interesting.

Yeah that was the only time a police officer, a DA, a shrink and an ME were all in a scene together - it was a really great scene. It was interesting how much compassion Abbie had for the murderer, I get that she didn’t want him to go into a prison with Alzheimer’s but it wouldn’t have been right to accept an insanity plea when he was legally sane. As Jack said at the end, the killer’s daughter wanted all or nothing, she just couldn’t accept that her dad had to be punished for what he did.          
I agree about enjoying the scenes where the police interact with the DA’s, those are always interesting, I liked whenever a cop would visit the head DA’s office - it happened several times when Adam was DA and when Jack became DA, but I don’t think Nora Lewin ever shared a single scene with a police officer and Arthur and Van Buren interacted twice I believe. 
 

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7 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

Yeah that was the only time a police officer, a DA, a shrink and an ME were all in a scene together - it was a really great scene. It was interesting how much compassion Abbie had for the murderer, I get that she didn’t want him to go into a prison with Alzheimer’s but it wouldn’t have been right to accept an insanity plea when he was legally sane. As Jack said at the end, the killer’s daughter wanted all or nothing, she just couldn’t accept that her dad had to be punished for what he did.          

It was surprising from Abbie. She's usually ready to throw them in jail. Jail's not the right place for him if he was too far gone with Alzheimer's but once they established that he was sane during the murder he had to go to jail. The daughter was out of luck there was no way the DA's office was going to just let him off the hook because he did commit a murder. He had to face the consequences for it. His wife still deserved justice.
 

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I agree about enjoying the scenes where the police interact with the DA’s, those are always interesting, I liked whenever a cop would visit the head DA’s office - it happened several times when Adam was DA and when Jack became DA, but I don’t think Nora Lewin ever shared a single scene with a police officer and Arthur and Van Buren interacted twice I believe. 

 

I don't remember Nora ever sharing a scene with one of the cops either. It's a little odd they never did that since she was there for a few years. They had Adam and Arthur both interact with the cops and Van Buren. Especially in the beginning. I liked that they had Van Buren meet Arthur very early in his season. It makes sense she would want to meet the new DA and see what he was like and what it would mean for her doing her job and her cops doing theirs.

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17 minutes ago, andromeda331 said:

It was surprising from Abbie. She's usually ready to throw them in jail. Jail's not the right place for him if he was too far gone with Alzheimer's but once they established that he was sane during the murder he had to go to jail. The daughter was out of luck there was no way the DA's office was going to just let him off the hook because he did commit a murder. He had to face the consequences for it. His wife still deserved justice.
 

I don't remember Nora ever sharing a scene with one of the cops either. It's a little odd they never did that since she was there for a few years. They had Adam and Arthur both interact with the cops and Van Buren. Especially in the beginning. I liked that they had Van Buren meet Arthur very early in his season. It makes sense she would want to meet the new DA and see what he was like and what it would mean for her doing her job and her cops doing theirs.

Yes Van Buren met with Arthur in Tragedy on Rye, episode 4 of season 13, and then she had a scene with Arthur again in Gaijin in season 14. Schiff had many scenes with Van Buren or Cragen.

Yeah Abbie usually was the harshest of the DA’s so it was interesting that Abbie felt some sympathy here. I wasn’t sure why the daughter was so attached to the dad - the guy was a control freak asshole murderer. She was a bit detached from the reality of the situation, and her brother seemed to call her out on that, even saying that she needed to wake up and he was never letting his dad near his kid again. 

[andromeda331]

35 minutes ago, Xeliou66 said:

Yes Van Buren met with Arthur in Tragedy on Rye, episode 4 of season 13, and then she had a scene with Arthur again in Gaijin in season 14. Schiff had many scenes with Van Buren or Cragen.

Yeah Abbie usually was the harshest of the DA’s so it was interesting that Abbie felt some sympathy here. I wasn’t sure why the daughter was so attached to the dad - the guy was a control freak asshole murderer. She was a bit detached from the reality of the situation, and her brother seemed to call her out on that, even saying that she needed to wake up and he was never letting his dad near his kid again. 

I really wish we knew why she was so attached her dad. As you point out he was control freak who murdered her mother. I'm glad her brother saw through him and was smart enough to keep his kid away from him. 

[Xeliou66]

All day season 10 marathon on today -

I watched Trade This, excellent episode, it was an interesting plot with how the Wall St firm was in business with the mob with their stock schemes and how Bruce Valentine was ripping off the mob with his schemes and orchestrated the murder and then murdered the hitman himself. What a greedy psychopathic piece of shit. I wonder if the mob would try to have him killed in prison for stealing their money, I doubt they would get the chance though since Valentine would be on death row. A lot of slimy characters in that episode, and a very complex but good plot, with all of the stock schemes and payoffs, and how they planted the e-mail to drive out the victim, they did a good job of making it all make sense by the end. I did think that more should’ve been made of the murder of the hitman, we barely saw the police investigating it, eventually it was revealed Valentine killed him with the gun given to him by his mob buddy but I would’ve liked to have seen some of the investigation into it. There was a lot crammed into the episode so I guess they couldn’t delve into all of it but it all made sense in the end. Really strong episode.

Now I’m watching Black White and Blue, those cops who deliberately endangered the victim were dishonorable scum who deserved a much longer prison sentence. I was really puzzled as to why Jack was so hesitant to charge them with murder - usually he is the first to harshly go after those who abuse their power, and he was never shy about challenging the police or any other system for that matter. I was 100% on Adam’s side in this, they needed to charge the cops with murder, it was appalling that the cops would basically kidnap a kid and drop him off in a riot zone because they were butthurt by the kid giving them attitude. I thought more should’ve been made about how the police basically committed false imprisonment by tossing the kid into their car and the kid was killed as a result - that should make it felony murder right there, but that theory was never discussed for some reason. Regardless, Adam was right to yank the plea deal and try to send a message, and I hope the feds jumped in and charged the cops with civil rights violations in this case to try to increase their jail time. I was really puzzled by why Jack was so gun-shy about going after the cops. At least the cops were sent to prison, but they deserved a lot more prison time than 3-9 years. The investigation into the murder was really good, I liked all of the detective work by Briscoe/Green in getting to the bottom of it. 

[andromeda331]

On 4/30/2023 at 6:20 PM, Xeliou66 said:

All day season 10 marathon on today -

I watched Trade This, excellent episode, it was an interesting plot with how the Wall St firm was in business with the mob with their stock schemes and how Bruce Valentine was ripping off the mob with his schemes and orchestrated the murder and then murdered the hitman himself. What a greedy psychopathic piece of shit. I wonder if the mob would try to have him killed in prison for stealing their money, I doubt they would get the chance though since Valentine would be on death row. A lot of slimy characters in that episode, and a very complex but good plot, with all of the stock schemes and payoffs, and how they planted the e-mail to drive out the victim, they did a good job of making it all make sense by the end. I did think that more should’ve been made of the murder of the hitman, we barely saw the police investigating it, eventually it was revealed Valentine killed him with the gun given to him by his mob buddy but I would’ve liked to have seen some of the investigation into it. There was a lot crammed into the episode so I guess they couldn’t delve into all of it but it all made sense in the end. Really strong episode.

It was a really good episode. It's so surprising that for once it wasn't the mob behind it all. Valentine was smart in his schemes to rip off the mob. He better watch his back though. I think they'll still kill him regardless of him being on death row. I'm impressed that he did it and at the same time crazy for what he did. 

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Now I’m watching Black White and Blue, those cops who deliberately endangered the victim were dishonorable scum who deserved a much longer prison sentence. I was really puzzled as to why Jack was so hesitant to charge them with murder - usually he is the first to harshly go after those who abuse their power, and he was never shy about challenging the police or any other system for that matter. I was 100% on Adam’s side in this, they needed to charge the cops with murder, it was appalling that the cops would basically kidnap a kid and drop him off in a riot zone because they were butthurt by the kid giving them attitude. I thought more should’ve been made about how the police basically committed false imprisonment by tossing the kid into their car and the kid was killed as a result - that should make it felony murder right there, but that theory was never discussed for some reason. Regardless, Adam was right to yank the plea deal and try to send a message, and I hope the feds jumped in and charged the cops with civil rights violations in this case to try to increase their jail time. I was really puzzled by why Jack was so gun-shy about going after the cops. At least the cops were sent to prison, but they deserved a lot more prison time than 3-9 years. The investigation into the murder was really good, I liked all of the detective work by Briscoe/Green in getting to the bottom of it. 

 

McCoy was really out of character in this episode. He's always the first one to prosecute cops and trying to convince everyone else that it should be done. Yeah, the cops should have been charged with felony murder.  They threw him into a situation that got him killed on purpose. I'm glad Adam yanked the plea deal. I hope the FBI does jump on it. They probably will because they violated his civil rights. 

[Xeliou66]

9 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

It was a really good episode. It's so surprising that for once it wasn't the mob behind it all. Valentine was smart in his schemes to rip off the mob. He better watch his back though. I think they'll still kill him regardless of him being on death row. I'm impressed that he did it and at the same time crazy for what he did. 

McCoy was really out of character in this episode. He's always the first one to prosecute cops and trying to convince everyone else that it should be done. Yeah, the cops should have been charged with felony murder.  They threw him into a situation that got him killed on purpose. I'm glad Adam yanked the plea deal. I hope the FBI does jump on it. They probably will because they violated his civil rights. 

Yeah Trade This is one of my favorites from season 10 - there were a slew of slimy characters in that episode, it was complex but it made sense in the end. Valentine had major balls to steal from the mob like that, he was a psychopathic slimebag killer but it definitely took guts to do what he did. It was interesting that it was Valentine and not the mob boss that orchestrated the killings - it was an intriguing case. There was so much crammed in it that they could’ve delve deeply into both murders, but I would’ve liked more about how Valentine lured the hitman to the airport parking lot to kill him, and the one thing I found a bit odd is that the hitman murdered the victim at his workplace, that was risky, it seems like there would’ve been better places to kill the guy. But the hitman was a gambler who took risks and he wasn’t that smart. Good episode.

I agree something was very off with Jack in Black White and Blue - usually he’s the first to go harshly after people who abuse their authority, I don’t know why he was treading so lightly here. And he should’ve consulted with Adam before offering a plea deal. Even though it backfired, Adam was right to yank the deal. Those cops were a disgrace, and a message needed to be sent that something like that should never happen. Like I said, I was surprised they never made the argument about the cops committing false imprisonment resulting in the kid’s death, that made it murder in my opinion, there was a lot of talk about how dangerous the neighborhood was and how that would play out in the press and if they could get an unbiased jury, but they never made the false imprisonment argument. I hope the feds came in and added on charges against the cops for civil rights violations, they deserved longer than 3-9 years. 

[andromeda331]

14 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

Yeah Trade This is one of my favorites from season 10 - there were a slew of slimy characters in that episode, it was complex but it made sense in the end. Valentine had major balls to steal from the mob like that, he was a psychopathic slimebag killer but it definitely took guts to do what he did. It was interesting that it was Valentine and not the mob boss that orchestrated the killings - it was an intriguing case. There was so much crammed in it that they could’ve delve deeply into both murders, but I would’ve liked more about how Valentine lured the hitman to the airport parking lot to kill him, and the one thing I found a bit odd is that the hitman murdered the victim at his workplace, that was risky, it seems like there would’ve been better places to kill the guy. But the hitman was a gambler who took risks and he wasn’t that smart. Good episode.

Yeah,  I really thought the mob boss was behind it all. It really surprised me that it was Valentine. Only someone with a lot of guts and psycho would steal from the mob. I wonder how he lured the hitman too. That would have been interesting to see. 

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I agree something was very off with Jack in Black White and Blue - usually he’s the first to go harshly after people who abuse their authority, I don’t know why he was treading so lightly here. And he should’ve consulted with Adam before offering a plea deal. Even though it backfired, Adam was right to yank the deal. Those cops were a disgrace, and a message needed to be sent that something like that should never happen. Like I said, I was surprised they never made the argument about the cops committing false imprisonment resulting in the kid’s death, that made it murder in my opinion, there was a lot of talk about how dangerous the neighborhood was and how that would play out in the press and if they could get an unbiased jury, but they never made the false imprisonment argument. I hope the feds came in and added on charges against the cops for civil rights violations, they deserved longer than 3-9 years. 

 

The cops were a disgrace and really I think people with authority should be punished more harsh then those without since they are hired for to in force the law, keep the peace and people from taking the law into their own hands. It is odd they never argued false imprisonment especially since they didn't go for more serious charges like felony murder. I'm not sure they could get an unbiase jury because what the cops did was so appauling. 

 

 

[Xeliou66]

13 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

Yeah,  I really thought the mob boss was behind it all. It really surprised me that it was Valentine. Only someone with a lot of guts and psycho would steal from the mob. I wonder how he lured the hitman too. That would have been interesting to see. 

The cops were a disgrace and really I think people with authority should be punished more harsh then those without since they are hired for to in force the law, keep the peace and people from taking the law into their own hands. It is odd they never argued false imprisonment especially since they didn't go for more serious charges like felony murder. I'm not sure they could get an unbiase jury because what the cops did was so appauling. 

 

 

Yeah I would’ve liked a bit more investigation into the hitman’s murder - we didn’t see much of it, we only know Valentine killed him with the gun given to him by the mobster’s son. But there was a lot crammed into the episode, with so many fraud schemes and slimy characters, that I guess they didn’t have the time to get into all of it. It was a really good episode, and I liked how Jack realized that they hadn’t even paid out the $2 million settlement to the victim, Valentine had stolen that as well. It’s a really good plot.

Jack was OOC in Black White and Blue, it was so puzzling that he was hesitant to prosecute the cops harshly for abusing their power, and I agree that people who are in positions of authority should be held to a higher standard, and usually Jack felt that way, it was weird that he wasn’t pushing for a harsher sentence. They did try to argue felony murder but the main discussion was about how dangerous the neighborhood they dropped him off in was, I thought it was odd that the false imprisonment aspect wasn’t really explored. What the cops did was appalling and I hope the feds charged them with civil rights violations.

[Xeliou66]

For some reason during the season 10 marathon today they skipped the episode Panic, they went straight from Mother’s Milk to Entitled. No clue as to why, very weird.

I love season 10, but Entitled was kind of a disappointing episode - it was a great idea to bring back the serial killer case from Mayhem that went unsolved, but it was very unsatisfying how they failed to give that story a proper wrap up, they caught the killer but we don’t know if he would be convicted or not given all of the complications to the case, and then it was just abruptly dropped when they realized the Mulroney daughter was guilty of the murder that started the episode.  There was too much crammed into the episode that even in 2 hours they couldn’t get to it all. I did like seeing Munch/Briscoe together again, this was the last time they appeared together, and it was nice seeing Cragen interact with Van Buren and with the DAs. But the case just had too much going on and it was really disappointing how they just dropped the serial killer story without a resolution as to what happened to the killer. And Judge McNeil really pissed me off, he bent over backwards to give the Mulroney’s special treatment it seemed, he was decent in other episodes but he sucked here. 

[Xeliou66]

Watched the final episodes of season 10 today, 10 is such a great season, it has my personal favorite cast and a lot of great cases

High & Low is an excellent episode - really good investigative and legal work, and a slew of sleazy lowlifes involved in the case. It was an intricate, strong plot with how the banker was helping his porn star mistress with insider trading and the mistress was doing business with the club owner who the Nazi murderers were working for. I liked seeing Briscoe and Green track down the 2 skinhead scumbags who committed the murder, tracing them through the surf rack on their car, I loved Lennie’s “surf Nazis on ecstasy” line, and seeing them raid the shack on the beach where they were making drugs. Harris was so pathetic and spineless, completely enthralled by the porn star, I liked Judge McNeil showing his disgust with him when handing down the sentence, Harris had the chance to walk away from the murder plot but wound up going to prison for a long time just because he was obsessed with Wendy. Judge McNeil sucked in Entitled but was good here. I loved seeing Jack’s disgust with Harris and saying he had had enough of him and his girlfriend. Very satisfying to see all of the perps sent away for a long time, good episode.

Next up was Stiff, another interesting episode with good twists and turns. Horrifying stuff with how the victim was locked in, aware of her surroundings but unable to communicate with anyone. Good twists with how it first appeared it was the husband, then it turned out it was the daughter and doctor who conspired to poison the woman, good twists. The daughter wasn’t sympathetic at all to me, she acted so remorseful at the end but if she really was a decent person she wouldn’t have conspired with the greedy doctor to poison her mom. Adam was clearly thinking about stepping down at this time based on his ending line saying that cases like this made him take a look at his pension plan, so it was clearly setting the stage for Adam’s exit. 

Vaya Con Dios is on now - good storyline, memorable for its ending of not revealing how the Supreme Court ruled, I hope they upheld the conviction of the Chilean colonel. Jack has some really good stuff in this episode, Adam did as well. The ending of Jack, Abbie and Adam waiting in the hallway for the court’s decision was a good ending, and even though nothing was said about Adam leaving soon in this episode, it was a good final episode for him, and I liked how they revealed Adam was overseas doing humanitarian work in the next season and then again years later in season 19, it was fitting for Adam that he stayed active in his retirement. I was glad Adam got a good ending when exits on the franchise have been a mixed bag.

[GHScorpiosRule]

Well, I'm near the end of the short-shriffed season 10 on WE. And I can't believe I missed this in my many watches. Skoda really disappointed me.

In "Killerz" he homed in how Jenny was a serial killer that they caught early. No chance for any redemption. Yet in "Fools for Love" he was totally fooled by Laura-same-killer-from-"Savior" when she shed those crocodile tears when telling him how Peter "would beat her" and "made her" watch while he raped her sister. And told Abbie and Jack it was "one-off" for her and she still had a chance.

Say what, again?

Then there was Jamie's return. More on that in the continuity gaffe, because she also comes back in 11, and it's as if her season 10 return never happened!

And Adam was especially cranky in his final season. I will miss him. I'll tune in for 11, if only for that one episode where the idiot jury foreperson has the affair with Tim Guinea's murdering asshole. Assuming WE doesn't skip that one over.

[buttersister]

Missing Adam is almost a hobby. Nobody did it better. 

(Sidebar: while I’m a McCoy fan, his shoes as prosecuting ADA haven’t been filled either. Not by Cutter and not by the current guy.)

[andromeda331]

8 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Well, I'm near the end of the short-shriffed season 10 on WE. And I can't believe I missed this in my many watches. Skoda really disappointed me.

In "Killerz" he homed in how Jenny was a serial killer that they caught early. No chance for any redemption. Yet in "Fools for Love" he was totally fooled by Laura-same-killer-from-"Savior" when she shed those crocodile tears when telling him how Peter "would beat her" and "made her" watch while he raped her sister. And told Abbie and Jack it was "one-off" for her and she still had a chance.

Say what, again?

Then there was Jamie's return. More on that in the continuity gaffe, because she also comes back in 11, and it's as if her season 10 return never happened!

And Adam was especially cranky in his final season. I will miss him. I'll tune in for 11, if only for that one episode where the idiot jury foreperson has the affair with Tim Guinea's murdering asshole. Assuming WE doesn't skip that one over.

It's a different season but Skoda also bought Jackie's act in season 13 Bitch while Liz couldn't roll her eyes fast enough.

4 hours ago, buttersister said:

Missing Adam is almost a hobby. Nobody did it better. 

(Sidebar: while I’m a McCoy fan, his shoes as prosecuting ADA haven’t been filled either. Not by Cutter and not by the current guy.)

Adam really was the best.

[Xeliou66]

4 hours ago, buttersister said:

Missing Adam is almost a hobby. Nobody did it better. 

(Sidebar: while I’m a McCoy fan, his shoes as prosecuting ADA haven’t been filled either. Not by Cutter and not by the current guy.)

Adam was the best, no one could replace him, well except for Jack who’s an equally awesome character. I agree that Jack’s shoes as lead ADA haven’t been filled - both Cutter and Price are okay but both can get on my nerves and are not nearly as good as Jack or Ben Stone - Cutter was egotistic and at times seemed like he would do anything to win and resorted to trickery too often, whereas Price comes off as too low key and almost too soft at times. I have issues with both characters. Cutter got better in season 20 for the most part, maybe Price will improve in his 3rd season whenever the show returns. But neither of them are anywhere as good as Jack or Ben.

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[FozzyBear]

On 9/16/2022 at 2:48 PM, Xeliou66 said:

Fools For Love was just on, this may be the darkest episode of L&O, such a disturbing case that was closely based on a real case. Peter Williams and his girlfriend were just pure sickos, it doesn’t get much sicker than the girlfriend enjoying watching Williams rape her sister and actively participating in the rape, and being so enthralled with the piece of shit that she still wanted the earrings that her psycho boyfriend gave her and seemed to be more focused on getting them back than on the fact that she helped this sick bastard kill her sister and another girl. I liked how at the end both Jack and Abbie were disturbed by the horrors of the case, with Abbie saying “how do you wash it off” and Jack replying “wish I knew”, it was one of L&O’s most twisted cases. Interesting to see Stabler and Benson assist with the case, good crossover cameos.

It’s a really good episode. I do wish that they had tied it to Ellen Pompey’s first role in Law & Order when she hired her boyfriend to kill her mom over pretty much nothing and let her dad almost go to prison. At the end we see her arrested but not what happened after that. I think it could have been an interesting twist if we find out her dad had gotten her a good lawyer and she either got off or was sentenced to minimum time as a juvenile. She gets out her and the Dad move, change their names to get a fresh start. The Dad remarries and then this case is about her and her psycho boyfriend killing her stepsister. We find out that she’s the real instigator behind it all and is still just the same ruthless, shallow, greedy bitch she was as a teenager.