Cold Justice - General Discussion

[LuvMyShows]

7 hours ago, cynicat said:

Agree, however as I understood it, they were still preparing dinner and had not yet sat down for the meal.  The grandmother was at the stove when she was killed.  Did I get that wrong?

Oh yeah, that's right.  The dinner was still on the stove...not sure if some may have eaten already and the rest was leftover, or whether none ate.  Still think that the absence of any food in the stomachs, which is what would be the case if they were killed before dinner and it is now the next morning after breakfast time, would be significant because you would have expected to see some undigested breakfast. 

Combine that with the fact that this family would not have left perfectly good food out all night to perhaps go bad, which although Kelly and the team touched on that, they don't seem to have given it much weight.  I think both are a key part of what could be a compelling circumstantial case.  Eventually, if no new leads turn up, they should bring the circumstantial case.  The only other hope is that his girlfriend (now wife?) turns against him for some reason, like a nasty divorce.

[SunnyBeBe]

I’m once again trying to figure out how to view this series.  Season 6, which is the latest one, has Clips on Oxygen, but no full episodes from Season 6!  It’s scheduled to come on tonight, but only Season 5 episodes!  I’ve already seen those episodes.  Why can’t you view season 6 on their site and why don’t they air them live?🤬. This is ridiculous.  

[LuvMyShows]

No comments on the new episodes?  I've seen the first new episode, "A Mother's Last Words", and I definitely think the guy is guilty.  My only comment is about his car being seen leaving her house.  They talked to one of the women who was in the bar parking lot and asked what she saw.  She described seeing the car leave, and then I believe they asked if he was alone and she said yes.  But there is no way from that parking lot, that she would be able to see if anyone was in the car with him.  In fact, I'm surprised that he didn't try to go with the concept that no one actually saw him driving the car, so maybe some mythical other person had come along with him to her house and that person committed the crime or some other person had somehow got into the house and that person killed her and drove off in his car.  

[chenoa333]

I love this series. However, I missed the first episode of the new season. Oxygen has reruns on Saturdays so when I have time I can catch up.

[LuvMyShows]

It's always interesting how the week of investigation on Cold Justice progresses.  In the second new episode, "Shot in the Dark", originally the victim's ex was a serious suspect.  But as the investigation unfolded, it turned out she wasn't involved, and it was her new husband alone.  I think they said that the victim's two sons are estranged from the victim's brother, who spearheaded getting the Cold Justice re-look.  I hope that now that it's solved, they'll be able to come together.

[mythoughtis]

3 hours ago, LuvMyShows said:

It's always interesting how the week of investigation on Cold Justice progresses.  In the second new episode, "Shot in the Dark", originally the victim's ex was a serious suspect.  But as the investigation unfolded, it turned out she wasn't involved, and it was her new husband alone.  I think they said that the victim's two sons are estranged from the victim's brother, who spearheaded getting the Cold Justice re-look.  I hope that now that it's solved, they'll be able to come together.

I don’t know that they were estranged from their uncle. He said he would  tell them the result.  I think they did not want to be involved with the show since their mom had been considered a suspect at the time the show began working on the case.   

[LuvMyShows]

19 hours ago, mythoughtis said:

I don’t know that they were estranged from their uncle. He said he would  tell them the result.  I think they did not want to be involved with the show since their mom had been considered a suspect at the time the show began working on the case.   

When they told the uncle he could tell the results to the boys, I had thought that would be a way for him to resume contact with the boys.  But I went back and listened, and apparently I imagined the whole estrangement thing since the boys weren't part of the filming.  But they said the reason is that one had a job off-shore and the other just didn't want to be involved.

[SunnyBeBe]

I’ve seen the new season and some old episodes, too.  It’s tricky getting full episodes on Oxygen.  
 

The one where the shooter fired from their car on the road into the house to kill the dad of 2 boys was crazy!  I can’t imagine being that good of a shot.  I think they said the suspect was an avid shooter, but even with a scope….that was a long way off.  
 

I felt terrible for the daughters of the woman who went missing after getting into the car with her abusive, much younger, boyfriend.  They had it on a video. Everyone thought he was cruel and a jerk, except she loved him to death….even though he left her with bruises and everyone she knew begged her to get away from him. AND, she told one person that she knew he would eventually kill her!  That sort of makes me angry with the victim.  She knew how this would impact her adult children and grandchildren, but did it anyway!  Sort of like suicide.   She’s missing and presumed dead.  No charges filed yet.  

Edited September 26, 2022 by SunnyBeBe

[chenoa333]

20 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

I’ve seen the new season and some old episodes, too.  It’s tricky getting full episodes on Oxygen.  
 

The one where the shooter fired from their car on the road into the house to kill the dad of 2 boys was crazy!  I can’t imagine being that good of a shot.  I think they said the suspect was an avid shooter, but even with a scope….that was a long way off.  
 

I felt terrible for the daughters of the woman who went missing after getting into the car with her abusive, much younger, boyfriend.  They had it on a video. Everyone thought he was cruel and a jerk, except she loved him to death….even though he left her with bruises and everyone she knew begged her to get away from him. AND, she told one person that she knew he would eventually kill her!  That sort of makes me angry with the victim.  She knew how this would impact her adult children and grandchildren, but did it anyway!  Sort of like suicide.   She’s missing and presumed dead.  No charges filed yet.  

I love this show and I thought I've seen every recent episode but apparently I missed this one. I know they'll repeat it again but who knows when.

[SunnyBeBe]

That’s a big problem with this show.  I can’t easily access it on Oxygen. Most of the time it’ll only let me play clips, not full episodes.  

[SunnyBeBe]

Ref. Case of Tony Joiner, who has been charged with the murder of his girlfriend/wife and mother of two little girls.  They found texts that she sent furious at him for blowing her money at a strip club late night.  And speculate that she confronted him when he arrived home.  My question  is why do that with 2 kids in the house AND after he’d already beaten her up before?  They show an officer who went to their apt on a prior domestic violence case who told her often that kind of violence leads to murder.  She stayed and engaged him in more confrontations.  ?  I don’t get it.  

When Tony arrived back with the kids after taking short trip to his mom’s,  he claims he found her body in the bedroom, but the kids were in the car. Why did he leave the kids in the car when he went inside?  Wouldn’t he have taken the kids with him inside the house when he went in? It was dark in the parking lot. He left the kids there?  I never heard them mention that.  
 

This trial is going to be interesting.  

Edited September 27, 2022 by SunnyBeBe

[Vermicious Knid]

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Everyone thought he was cruel and a jerk, except she loved him to death….even though he left her with bruises and everyone she knew begged her to get away from him. AND, she told one person that she knew he would eventually kill her!

Apart from being the last one seen with her, they have nothing they can use though. Usually they can make a strong circumstantial case but there's no one who saw them in the car, no CCTV footage of the car once it left, no forensics from the car (unless they're keeping that under wraps), and no body.

The week before it was pretty ridiculous how the (ex?)wife and the boyfriend/handyman were lying. I don't think I've seen the team laugh behind anyone's back so much. When they interviewed her in the car and had her retrace her steps from that night they had to prompt "Was there anything else?" And she was like, oh... yeah I also took the handyman home. Like she was trying to just slide it by. This is the guy she was calling constantly for up to 46 minutes at a time. And his jitteryness and swatting flies during his interview. They had a really strong case and I don't understand why they haven't been arrested. Like so many other episodes it ended with "The DA is considering charges." Really tired of that.

[LuvMyShows]

13 hours ago, Vermicious Knid said:

The week before it was pretty ridiculous how the (ex?)wife and the boyfriend/handyman were lying. I don't think I've seen the team laugh behind anyone's back so much. When they interviewed her in the car and had her retrace her steps from that night they had to prompt "Was there anything else?" And she was like, oh... yeah I also took the handyman home. Like she was trying to just slide it by. This is the guy she was calling constantly for up to 46 minutes at a time. And his jitteryness and swatting flies during his interview. They had a really strong case and I don't understand why they haven't been arrested. Like so many other episodes it ended with "The DA is considering charges." Really tired of that.

That episode was "For Love or Money?" and it was so heartbreaking for the son, whose entire life was turned upside down and who has never seen his (step?)sister (or even had any communication with her?) since the murder.  It's not possible to judge everything from the brief amount of time he was on camera, but he seems to have come out of it as well-adjusted as possible given the horrible circumstances. 

The case was strong to us as viewers, but that's because there was a lot of intangibles (long phone conversations, lying and changing stories, the jitteriness, etc.), but not actually a lot of hard proof.  The step-mom in particular is guilty as can be, and I believe the handyman was the trigger man, but I don't know if the proof they have for the step-mom will be enough, and it sounds like there's basically no actual proof of the handyman's involvement, except for the testimony of the 2 cell mates.  Interestingly, either the cell mates didn't say, or it wasn't aired, about the logistics in terms of how and when the handyman gained access to the house.  I really, really, really hope they're able to get a conviction for the step-mom, especially for all the hell she's caused for her step-son, who she clearly gives no sh*ts about.

I thought it was very interesting how their theory changed after the site visit to the house, and they saw that the angle of the shot to the head meant that it couldn't have been from the sliding door or the front door, and had to come from the garage, which then led to the idea of him having been waiting in hiding.

[SunnyBeBe]

I think they have enough to win trials against young boyfriend killing the older girlfriend, after she was last seen getting into his car AND the case of the greedy wife and handyman lover.  Granted, there may be no physical or direct evidence, that’s not always needed. You don’t have to prove motive, though they likely could. They have plenty of circumstantial evidence.   I’ve watched multiple murder trials where all the state showed was opportunity and means.  And they won.  As an attorney, I was shocked!  I don’t always agree with it, but it does happen.  
 

My guess is that the handy man will squeal on the wife and she’ll take the fall for the murder, though he was the trigger man.  
 

Other case about the younger boyfriend who was so cruel will likely kill someone else before long and that’ll get him into prison where they can make a deal with him to find the body.  
 

I found this interesting.  

https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/legal-defenses/circumstantial-evidence/

Edited September 28, 2022 by SunnyBeBe

[LuvMyShows]

On 9/26/2022 at 7:41 PM, SunnyBeBe said:

That’s a big problem with this show.  I can’t easily access it on Oxygen. Most of the time it’ll only let me play clips, not full episodes.  

Not sure if you're still having this problem, but if you view it using a computer, the episodes are pretty easy to find...you don't have to scroll down too far.  If you're using the app, the only way I've found to get the episodes, is to not do a Search (you just get a bunch of clips), but instead to click on Shows, then A-Z, and if you choose Cold Justice as a Show, you'll see the episodes.

[SunnyBeBe]

1 hour ago, LuvMyShows said:

Not sure if you're still having this problem, but if you view it using a computer, the episodes are pretty easy to find...you don't have to scroll down too far.  If you're using the app, the only way I've found to get the episodes, is to not do a Search (you just get a bunch of clips), but instead to click on Shows, then A-Z, and if you choose Cold Justice as a Show, you'll see the episodes.

I’ll try it again.  Normally, I click Shows, then click Cold Justice….then the clips appear.  I’ll try it on my computer too.  Lately, I’m trying to catch it live on Saturday afternoon.  

[LuvMyShows]

On 10/5/2022 at 3:37 PM, SunnyBeBe said:

I’ll try it again.  Normally, I click Shows, then click Cold Justice….then the clips appear.  I’ll try it on my computer too.  Lately, I’m trying to catch it live on Saturday afternoon.  

The Oxygen site has updated on-line, and under the Top Shows listing, you can click on Cold Justice.  On the app, if you scroll down to the New on Oxygen heading, there is a Cold Justice link.

[LuvMyShows]

For the two-part Cold Justice, it was difficult trying to remember all the stuff from the previous episode.  Once again, the site visit to where the murder took place was very helpful.  I used to be skeptical of the value of those, but they really got some clarity about the two most recent murders from the site. 

[SunnyBeBe]

Great results on The Key case.  The roommate wasn’t smart enough to realize that locking the door, cutting the screen, texting their issues, making admissions, etc. was going to nail her eventually.  Does anyone if Nicole is awaiting trial in jail?  
 

This case made me think about my first college roommate, that I did not know before arriving on campus.  She had a knife collection….I’m not kidding.  This made me uncomfortable, even though she never showed any concerning behavior.  Once she complained about me getting Shower To Shower powder on the floor….and I said, no problem.  It won’t happen again.  I offered her any of my food that she wanted and was very kind to her. I didn’t want to anger her.  As I was planning to move out to another dorm, she moved out.  She was probably just fine, but you never know.  

[Vermicious Knid]

They're showing 'new' episodes that are repeats with pop-ups again.

[arejay]

19 hours ago, Vermicious Knid said:

They're showing 'new' episodes that are repeats with pop-ups again.

Those don’t work for because I seldom actually “watch” the television. I’m most often reading, working, napping, whatever I guess, with it on for background. It’s not that I’m not interested, I can do two things at once. With the pop-ups, I have to be actually watching. Boo.

[chenoa333]

On 10/17/2022 at 6:48 PM, Vermicious Knid said:

They're showing 'new' episodes that are repeats with pop-ups again.

So no new episodes? That's disappointing. I like this show but not interested in being teased with "new" episodes that are repeats. 

[Vermicious Knid]

There were actual new episodes, and they just started with these again. If the pops were all related to the investigation I wouldn't mind as much but half of them seemed to be trivia pulled from Wikipedia about the area and have nothing to do with the story.

[SunnyBeBe]

I have recently been able to access the new episodes.  The last two I watched were about The Key. Part I and II.   I didn’t see anything newer than those.  

[SunnyBeBe]

On 10/24/2022 at 12:57 AM, SunnyBeBe said:

I have recently been able to access the new episodes.  The last two I watched were about The Key. Part I and II.   I didn’t see anything newer than those.  

All they keep showing are these same two episodes about The Key To The Crime.  It’s going on 3 weeks now.  I’m done with those 2 episodes.  They are advertising an episode tonight of an inside look into the show.  

Edited November 5, 2022 by SunnyBeBe

[mythoughtis]

Natasha - 30 year old Texas fire death.

I started off the episode thinking that Kelly and her team could not possibly add anything  to an investigation. It seemed everyone and their brother had investigated it. I thought that right up until they went to the actual scene of the fire. 
 
Wow was I wrong.  The explanation made perfect sense.  The only thing I would have wanted was for a lab to retest the passenger seat etc to see if the accelerant could now be identified differently.   
 

[cynicat]

18 hours ago, mythoughtis said:

The only thing I would have wanted was for a lab to retest the passenger seat etc to see if the accelerant could now be identified differently.   

I watched, but must have zoned out as to exactly how the drip gas ended up in the passenger seat.  How did that happen?

[mythoughtis]

1 hour ago, cynicat said:

I watched, but must have zoned out as to exactly how the drip gas ended up in the passenger seat.  How did that happen?

They could not explain it.  That’s why I wished they had retested  the seat to see if it was actually some thing else.  
 

They couldn’t explain  how the fire started either.  I got the impression that they felt she had done it in her impaired condition 

[SunnyBeBe]

I’m just thinking outside the box, but could she have been sniffing gas fumes?  I’ve heard of people doing that, but am not sure how likely it could be.  But, drip gas?  Odd.  I wonder if there could have been contamination of the sample.  Certainly, a specialist in the field could have chimed in some theories.  But, short of that, it seemed she died due to no one else’s hand.  The big problem is that they found no container that would have held the gas…..unless it was in a small container like a water bottle that melted.  
 

Everyone seemed to describe the young girl as a party person, heavy alcohol user and drug user, impetuous……..I wonder if there was more going on with her mentally. There wasn’t much about the way she acted, other than the night she died, which was sad, imo.  

 

[Whimsy]

1 hour ago, SunnyBeBe said:

I’m just thinking outside the box, but could she have been sniffing gas fumes?  I’ve heard of people doing that, but am not sure how likely it could be.  But, drip gas?  Odd.  I wonder if there could have been contamination of the sample.  Certainly, a specialist in the field could have chimed in some theories.  But, short of that, it seemed she died due to no one else’s hand.  The big problem is that they found no container that would have held the gas…..unless it was in a small container like a water bottle that melted.  
 

Everyone seemed to describe the young girl as a party person, heavy alcohol user and drug user, impetuous……..I wonder if there was more going on with her mentally. There wasn’t much about the way she acted, other than the night she died, which was sad, imo.  

 

That's interesting.  They did say there was "huffing" at the party, but I don't think they expanded on huffing what. 

[attica]

Such bad policework from the jump. (This is what often strikes me about these cold cases, so: priors confirmed!)

'Consistent with drip gas' is nearly entirely useless as a comparison. Given the crime scene, they just jumped to Murder and chasing squirrels instead of taking their time.

I don't know about the temperatures of accelerants, but taking one look at Natasha's photos, my first guess would have been Aqua-Net as the culprit!

(another data point in why we need more women in police -- men fail to understand women's worlds)

[SunnyBeBe]

The episode last night was supposedly new. 
 

Does anyone know if the husband/suspect’s father is still alive?  
 

 

[mythoughtis]

6 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

The episode last night was supposedly new. 
 

Does anyone know if the husband/suspect’s father is still alive?  
 

 

I believe they said he was dead, along with the victim’s daughter . So they had no way to use the hearsay that Raymond and his dad were at the sawmill the night the victim disappeared. 
 

My Tivo stopped while they were talking to the family. Did they charge Raymond? 

[donovan]

Mine cut off too. Can anyone please tell us what happened the last two minutes? 

[SunnyBeBe]

I don’t think so.  I was distracted at the end, but it didn’t seem they enough to charge. They talked about wanting to find her body.  Apparently, not enough to get a search warrant.  The husband was contradictory in whether his family still owned the land, though a property search would reveal that.  

[LuvMyShows]

On 11/5/2022 at 5:24 PM, SunnyBeBe said:

All they keep showing are these same two episodes about The Key To The Crime.  It’s going on 3 weeks now.  I’m done with those 2 episodes.  They are advertising an episode tonight of an inside look into the show.  

I finally watched Part 2 (and thus re-watched Part 1).  It was so fascinating to me how they whittled it down from 4 suspects to just 1.  And I love how it's often the day-to-day subconscious details that spell doom for the criminals.  The roommate was clearly used to locking the door from the outside as she left the apt.  She would have done it hundreds of times, so by habit she just did it again after killing her roommate, yet that was a major clue leading to her being the main suspect.

On 2/26/2023 at 11:53 AM, mythoughtis said:

Natasha - 30 year old Texas fire death.

I started off the episode thinking that Kelly and her team could not possibly add anything  to an investigation. It seemed everyone and their brother had investigated it. I thought that right up until they went to the actual scene of the fire. 
 
Wow was I wrong.  The explanation made perfect sense.  The only thing I would have wanted was for a lab to retest the passenger seat etc to see if the accelerant could now be identified differently.   
 

Yeah, I really enjoyed watching the progression of this investigation, as they all slowly came to the conclusion that there wasn't even a murder.  

Edited March 11, 2023 by LuvMyShows

[LuvMyShows]

 

On 3/5/2023 at 2:15 PM, mythoughtis said:

My Tivo stopped while they were talking to the family. Did they charge Raymond? 

On 3/5/2023 at 4:01 PM, donovan said:

Mine cut off too. Can anyone please tell us what happened the last two minutes? 

The detective told the family that he met with the prosecutor, who "wants to look at a few things", and that "things are gonna start moving like you've never seen". 

I was absolutely amazed at how long that rumor list was, and how so many of them were so false.

 

[Vermicious Knid]

Well hallelujah, we finally get an indictment. 

[Percysowner]

For being so upset because the victim was "one of our own" the police really did a half a**ed job of the investigation. They didn't look at the guy's cell phone data and the case wasn't that old. They obviously didn't talk to all the witnesses. Heck, they didn't even go a great job on the autopsy. This is one I really felt shouldn't have been unsolved.

Edited March 13, 2023 by Percysowner

[mythoughtis]

18 hours ago, Percysowner said:

For being so upset because the victim was "one of our own" the police really did a half a**ed job of the investigation. They didn't look at the guy's cell phone data and the case wasn't that old. They obviously didn't talk to all the witnesses. Heck, they didn't even go a great job on the autopsy. This is one I really felt shouldn't have been unsolved.

Very true. But the witnesses knew  about this crime and said nothing: 

Why didn’t the last witness go to the police himself- ‘hey, I saw her with Robert yesterday, and they normally didn’t get along’?  Why didn’t  the relative who called 911 tell the police they were afraid of Robert?  Surely the police did talk to him? 
 

The autopsy procedures need scrutinized.  If you don’t even know to store a body in Texas somewhere cold prior to autopsy …. 

Edited March 13, 2023 by mythoughtis

[KHenry14]

On 4/13/2020 at 8:27 PM, greenbean said:

I just watched the episode about Stacey Devine, the mother of two who was killed by her evil husband in Arkansas. Are there any updates? I read an article saying a trial was to be had last fall, but there's nothing about the outcome. 

Charles got convicted and got 30yrs. 

Osceola man accused of murdering wife found guilty (actionnews5.com)

 

[SunnyBeBe]

Tonight’s episode was pretty interesting.  The young wife/mother was abducted while dropping off her mail right near the post office, city hall and police dept!  She was raped, murdered and left close by.  It looks like they have DNA on victims clothing that could solve it.  They can compare the profile found on her panties to a suspect.  This is solvable.  

[mythoughtis]

15 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

Tonight’s episode was pretty interesting.  The young wife/mother was abducted while dropping off her mail right near the post office, city hall and police dept!  She was raped, murdered and left close by.  It looks like they have DNA on victims clothing that could solve it.  They can compare the profile found on her panties to a suspect.  This is solvable.  

They have some sort of DNA- something that can tell them if the suspect is in the paternal line of anyone they match it to.  However they said it wasn’t suitable for uploading to CODIS or any criminal genealogy database.   So they would have to identify suspects and then test each one against the DNA profile.  If it was someone from out of state who they never hear about, they won’t solve it. 
However they should be able to permanently rule out the husband with it.   That was helpful to the family. 
 

In general I think they put too much emphasis on their  gut feelings when talking to suspects.   How does someone admitting 20 years later that they tried to kiss the victim automatically mean they are  innocent?  How does the husband being polite now mean he was a good guy back then?  Many people  behave a lot differently when they are 20 years older.  Life has a way of making that happen. 

Edited March 26, 2023 by mythoughtis

[SunnyBeBe]

On 3/26/2023 at 12:25 PM, mythoughtis said:

They have some sort of DNA- something that can tell them if the suspect is in the paternal line of anyone they match it to.  However they said it wasn’t suitable for uploading to CODIS or any criminal genealogy database.   So they would have to identify suspects and then test each one against the DNA profile.  If it was someone from out of state who they never hear about, they won’t solve it. 
However they should be able to permanently rule out the husband with it.   That was helpful to the family. 
 

In general I think they put too much emphasis on their  gut feelings when talking to suspects.   How does someone admitting 20 years later that they tried to kiss the victim automatically mean they are  innocent?  How does the husband being polite now mean he was a good guy back then?  Many people  behave a lot differently when they are 20 years older.  Life has a way of making that happen. 

I completely agree that this show puts too much emphasis on gut feelings and how a person comes off.  Narcissists can be great liars.  Pretending to be cooperative doesn’t mean you are honest or innocent.  Imo, they apply this instinct and nonsensical reasoning to justify eliminating suspects.  This show demonstrates that practice.  
 

Ref. The dna profile.  So, can’t they hire an expert  to search genealogy  data banks like they did with the Golden State Killer?  

Edited March 28, 2023 by SunnyBeBe

[cynicat]

4 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

Ref. The dna profile.  So, can’t they hire an expert  to search genealogy  data banks like they did with the Golden State Killer?  

I think they said that they were able to obtain a Y-DNA haplogroup, which cannot  be traced by those ancestry DNA tests.  

[LuvMyShows]

On 3/25/2023 at 8:58 PM, SunnyBeBe said:

Tonight’s episode was pretty interesting.  The young wife/mother was abducted while dropping off her mail right near the post office, city hall and police dept!  She was raped, murdered and left close by.  It looks like they have DNA on victims clothing that could solve it.  They can compare the profile found on her panties to a suspect.  This is solvable.  

A few comments:

The alibis cleared the husband and boyfriend of actually committing the murder, but that doesn't mean that one of them didn't have her killed. They concluded that the husband didn't know about the affair until finding that note in her car after the murder, but how do they know that?  Maybe he found out and had her killed.  Didn't they say something early on about how the husband specifically wanted her to put the letter in the mailbox, or something like that? It's always those specific requests, like "please go to the garage and get me an ice cream from the freezer", where someone is waiting in ambush.  

I was surprised that they didn't discuss more about what she was wearing, just a trenchcoat and underwear.  That sounds like classic/cliched "sexy outfit", and since she was having an affair, I could easily see her wearing that to meet him. So that could point to the boyfriend setting it up.  Or, if the husband suspected her, then he could have had someone follow her.

[mythoughtis]

1 hour ago, LuvMyShows said:

I was surprised that they didn't discuss more about what she was wearing, just a trenchcoat and underwear. 

I think her other articles of clothing were strewn around in the field.  The assumption being that the murderer had partially re-dressed her 

[SunnyBeBe]

Yeah, I thought her other clothes were located elsewhere near the scene.  I thought the fact that the killer would have been so bold as to have left her car and probably his car too parked near the mailbox, presumably blocking traffic.  If anyone had pulled up while he was attacking her, it would have impeded them and they likely would have called police to say abandoned cars were blocking post office parking lot.  Unless, like Kelly’s partner suggested, it was a police car involved. Either a real one or fake one.  

[Vermicious Knid]

It looked like a pretty strong circumstantial case but there was no caption at the end as to whether it was submitted to the DA, they were continuing to investigate, or anything. Very disappointing. 

[mythoughtis]

The Hubbard Oh 45 year old case… I’m immediately annoyed because Kelly and Tanya think it was rare to get divorced in 1977.  Really?   It didn’t seem all that unusual to me in 1977.