S04.E04: Tonya and Nancy

[AmandaPanda]

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Cameron buys a plot of land to recenter; Joe and Gordon hire a team of websurfers to map the web; Donna focuses her team on the mission ahead.

[ganesh]

No one watched yet? PIE IN THE FACE. Gold. 

[CanadaPhil]

Oh God,

It's the Mutiny Crew 2.0...

Kill me now!

hahaha.

:P

[CanadaPhil]

So..... CAMERON wrote the algorithm for Donna's team!???... for no compensation!!! Whahhhhhht !???... Why not simply help Hailey... and Gordon and JOE!?

 

Is she lashing out at Joe for not selling to AOL and retiring early to her horse pasture??

 

Or is she simply feeling sorry for down on his luck Bos?? What the Hell!

 

Season 4 "Desperate Douche" Bos is so disappointing. RIP old Bos. 

Edited September 10, 2017 by CanadaPhil

[dubbel zout]

When Joe was talking about click beetles and his cochlea,  a line Lee Pace had as Aaron in Wonderfalls popped into my head: "I wanna see an enlarged cloaca!" Hee.

When will these people learn not to talk shop around one another? They're their own worst enemies.

Loved seeing Halley stand up to her sister.

[ganesh]

I liked that Donna didn't buy it for a second. But I have no idea why Cameron sabotaged the guys. 

[Ingrin]

46 minutes ago, CanadaPhil said:

So..... CAMERON wrote the algorithm for Donna's team!???... for no compensation!!!!

 

Whahhhhhhhht!???... why not simply help Hailey... and Gordon and JOE!?

 

Is she lashing out at Joe for not selling to AOL and retiring early to her horse pasture??

What the Hell.  

a) Boz needed help, and Boz is like a father to her.

b) Gordon, Joe, and Hailey haven't asked for her help

c) Comet and Rover are in a similar space, but aren't direct competitors.  As mentioned earlier in the show, there are 4-5 Rover competitors out there.  if Rover fails, one of the other indexing search solutions will still survive and get the talent behind it to challenge Comet's curated approach.  She just ensured that the 'winner' in the search war will be someone she cares about. 

[cinles]

51 minutes ago, CanadaPhil said:

So..... CAMERON wrote the algorithm for Donna's team!???... for no compensation!!!!

 

Whahhhhhhhht!???... why not simply help Hailey... and Gordon and JOE!?

 

Is she lashing out at Joe for not selling to AOL and retiring early to her horse pasture??

What the Hell.  

Uh, things were getting too gushy mushy with Cameron & Joe - you know they had to interject some antagonisms.

2 minutes ago, Ingrin said:

a) Boz needed help, and Boz is like a father to her.

b) Gordon, Joe, and Hailey haven't asked for her help

c) Comet and Rover are in a similar space, but aren't direct competitors.  As mentioned earlier in the show, there are 4-5 Rover competitors out there.  if Rover fails, one of the other indexing search solutions will still survive and get the talent behind it to challenge Comet's curated approach.  She just ensured that the 'winner' in the search war will be someone she cares about. 

That's an awesome analysis, but we know what she did - she went behind Joe, Gordon & Donna's back & that will not turn out well + Donna has already caught on there's something rotten in Denmark. Also, Tanya is not one to mess with & she'll figure it out too.

[mjc570]

Didn't Boz go to prison for Cameron in the first season?  She knows she owes him, plus he is an old friend, plus she likes a professional challenge.

So - Joe/Gordon/Haley have invented (a sort of) Wikipedia ? 

I have to admit that I didn''t get the Joanie/Haley dynamic - why was Haley so quick to defer to her with respect tot he girls night in?  I would have said blackmail or something, but I can't imagine Haley has done anything that would merit that.

I really like Tanya. 

[Ingrin]

5 minutes ago, mjc570 said:

Didn't Boz go to prison for Cameron in the first season?  She knows she owes him, plus he is an old friend, plus she likes a professional challenge.

So - Joe/Gordon/Haley have invented (a sort of) Wikipedia ? 

I have to admit that I didn''t get the Joanie/Haley dynamic - why was Haley so quick to defer to her with respect tot he girls night in?  I would have said blackmail or something, but I can't imagine Haley has done anything that would merit that.

I really like Tanya. 

Yes, he did.  What would you do for the guy who went to jail to fund your dream?  They are very close, he is essentially her father figure.  Her behavior is consistent with her character and wanting to help (but also there is a pride angle because she thinks Rover's solution is the right idea.)  

Comet is almost exactly what Yahoo! started out as.  Crowd sources web 2.0 stuff like Wikipedia is still years away.  Comet staff is their to create a hierarchical directory of web pages.

I don't get it either, it does feel like she has something over her sister, and I can't figure out what it is. 

I like Tanya a whole lot.  It really ticks me off that she was passed over.  I don't blame Donna though, once she realized the other big boys wouldn't be OK with her in the lead role, at least she put her in a position to showcase her talent.

[Dowel Jones]

Cameron is apparently being written as one of those folks who have no clue how life outside the computer lab works.  Yeah, the whole setup was in order to have her see Boz's boat's compass and the resulting dialogue, but, geez, who can set up a trailer so badly it rolls backwards on level ground?  And her tantrums whenever something doesn't work on the trailer.  I'll bet Airstream denied any involvement with the production.

[Ms Lark]

5 hours ago, cinles said:

Uh, things were getting too gushy mushy with Cameron & Joe - you know they had to interject some antagonisms.

Cameron and the Antagonism Algorithm! I dunno. My love for this show decreases every year. I can see Cam wanting to bail out Boz, but didn't she and Donna have a big fall out last season?

I was surprised that empty pasture lot had all the hookups necessary (water, electricity, sewage) for a trailer. And those old butane tanks? Yoiks!

[AllyB]

I spent the first 90% of the episode mainly distracted by why Cameron, who is dating a giant of a man, would buy that tiny trailer and think he would come live in it with her. A trailer the size of a small apartment isn't too expensive, even in present day, and could still have led to all the drama of Boz coming to fix something and Cameron finding out about his financial woes. It would also have made Joe's dislike of retired rural living manifesting in an irrational fear of beetles more relevant because the only excuse he needs for not living in Cameron's trailer is that he can't stand up in it. I just hate when the show makes the characters so ridiculous for no good reason.

I also felt throughout the episode like it was being very heavily hinted that Comet and Rover are two halves of a potentially successful whole and they will either eventually merge and succeed or continue fighting and fail. But either way the series is setting to end on a message that the four main characters all need each other if they really want to make a lasting mark on the tech world.

Joanie is definitely blackmailing Hayley. Most likely about whatever it is that Hayley was crying about in the car a few episodes ago.

[cinles]

1 hour ago, Ms Lark said:

Cameron and the Antagonism Algorithm! I dunno. My love for this show decreases every year. I can see Cam wanting to bail out Boz, but didn't she and Donna have a big fall out last season?

I was surprised that empty pasture lot had all the hookups necessary (water, electricity, sewage) for a trailer. And those old butane tanks? Yoiks!

The storyline about Cameron buying the land & streamline is a little out there, but Cameron helping with Rover is pretty typical HACF. Bos is in financial straits, but she had to know how Joe & Gordon were going to react & what about Donna? What is Donna going to do when she finds out Cameron helped them?

[CanadaPhil]

Just when when I had come around to the idea of Joe and Cameron together again...and LIKING it!, it now seems like we are back full circle to the idea of antagonism simply for the sake of antagonism in the plot.... and this has now worn just a little too thin for me.

Gordon and Joe had NOT excluded Cameron. They had brought her in to the idea of the WWW pioneering breakthrough... as an EQUAL partner, but see meandered on her part of the Browser concept and they lost their advantage with their one year plus headstart. 

Still, Gordon and Joe were able to make a credible going IP concern out of that venture and were able to sell and get out in time to end up with substantial capital for going forward with something else.... AND Cameron still got a small piece of that!

But now that her Atari dreams have been quashed, she wants to go off and sulk in the bush and demand that Joe follow her there!??

Cameron could very well have been in on Gordon and Joe's new vision. We have been given countless clues that they will gladly have her working with them, but she seemingly always telegraphs on the outside that she wants no part of it... but we know that's a lie! Once again we are full circle with the Cam knows better BS right down to her completely brushing off Gordon trying to help her with the Honda, of course only to have the engine seize up in front of Merry Meadows there.... geez.

And what is with the Haley Cam vibe??.. I don't think they have actually said two words to each other so far this season...( I mean, an actual conversation).There is animosity there (from both sides) but is Cam actually jealous of Haley's spark? Haley is such a sweatheart!..what is at work here?

The contrived out of place camp fire scene and the followup with cry baby Bos  really felt like S4 is... ummm... Jumping the Space Bike.

Edited September 10, 2017 by CanadaPhil

[dubbel zout]

13 hours ago, mjc570 said:

I have to admit that I didn''t get the Joanie/Haley dynamic - why was Haley so quick to defer to her with respect tot he girls night in?  I would have said blackmail or something, but I can't imagine Haley has done anything that would merit that

I think it's more that Haley is insecure (she's 15, so that's not unusual), feels like a dork/nerd around her "cool" older sister, and is generally a less forceful personality than Joanie is (or has decided not to compete at home with Joanie). I don't think there's anything like blackmail between the sisters. Haley was crying in the car about skipping school, I think, and Gordon already knows about it. I think he told Donna about it at the dinner they had where he walked out in a huff.

7 hours ago, AllyB said:

I spent the first 90% of the episode mainly distracted by why Cameron, who is dating a giant of a man, would buy that tiny trailer and think he would come live in it with her.

What did Gordon call them? Two giants in a matchbox, or something like that. Hee.

Edited September 10, 2017 by dubbel zout

[attica]

Two things that made me happy: Joe's proper haircut  and Tanya's disdainful pronunciation of 'Gillooly'. 

[dubbel zout]

I know they probably don't want to pay for the rights, but I'd love to see David Letterman in the background joking about Jeff Gillooly. Dave was relentless. Hee.

[ganesh]

Two giants in a thimble.

[cinles]

5 hours ago, CanadaPhil said:

Just when when I had come around to the idea of Joe and Cameron together again...and LIKING it!, it now seems like we are back full circle to the idea of antagonism simply for the sake of antagonism in the plot.... and this has now worn just a little too thin for me.

Gordon and Joe had NOT excluded Cameron. They had brought her in to the idea of the WWW pioneering breakthrough... as an EQUAL partner, but see meandered on her part of the Browser concept and they lost their advantage with their one year plus headstart. 

Still, Gordon and Joe were able to make a credible going IP concern out of that venture and were able to sell and get out in time to end up with substantial capital for going forward with something else.... AND Cameron still got a small piece of that!

But now that her Atari dreams have been quashed, she wants to go off and sulk in the bush and demand that Joe follow her there!??

Cameron could very well have been in on Gordon and Joe's new vision. We have been given countless clues that they will gladly have her working with them, but she seemingly always telegraphs on the outside that she wants no part of it... but we know that's a lie! Once again we are full circle with the Cam knows better BS right down to her completely brushing off Gordon trying to help her with the Honda, of course only to have the engine seize up in front of Merry Meadows there.... geez.

And what is with the Haley Cam vibe??.. I don't think they have actually said two words to each other so far this season...( I mean, an actual conversation).There is animosity there (from both sides) but is Cam actually jealous of Haley's spark? Haley is such a sweatheart!..what is at work here?

The contrived out of place camp fire scene and the followup with cry baby Bos  really felt like S4 is... ummm... Jumping the Space Bike.

We have old Cameron back - impulsive, poor judgment & immature. Was she trying to help Bos or gig Donna? We all know where this is going.

[dubbel zout]

1 hour ago, ganesh said:

Two giants in a thimble.

Thanks, ganesh.

1 hour ago, cinles said:

Was she trying to help Bos or gig Donna?

These aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.

[Catbookss]

2 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Thanks, ganesh.

These aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.

Agreed, although I don't see Cameron being all that eager to work with, let alone for, Donna. Even less so now that Donna's become so full of herself. I think she did it for Bos. As Ingrin said, he's like a father to her, and did take the heat in the form of jail time for her, and she knew he was in some serious financial trouble.

I love the Bos/Cam scenes. Of all the relationships on this show, theirs is my favourite.

13 hours ago, cinles said:

The storyline about Cameron buying the land & streamline is a little out there, but Cameron helping with Rover is pretty typical HACF. Bos is in financial straits, but she had to know how Joe & Gordon were going to react & what about Donna? What is Donna going to do when she finds out Cameron helped them?

I buy her buying the land and the airstream. She was p!ssed, things weren't going well, and it was her own fault. So what did she do? Shocker, something impulsive. She's very sentimental about her more or less non-existent childhood, so it makes sense to me she'd buy an Airstream in these circumstances.

Agree her helping Bos out of a jam by giving him what he needed to make Rover a success was typical HACF. In the preview of next week, she confronts Bos, saying it was never supposed to get out that she'd done this, so wouldn't have expected Joe, Gordon, and Donna to ever find out about it.

It'll be interesting to see how Donna reacts when she finds out.

20 hours ago, Ingrin said:

b) Gordon, Joe, and Hailey haven't asked for her help

Good point. In fact last night the went out of their way to show Gordon and Joe weren't interested in her help when she stepped in to take a look at Rover.

 

Cameron: "You asked!" 

Joe and Gordon in unison: "No, we didn't."

Edited September 10, 2017 by Catbookss
Grammar

[Rowsdower]

1 hour ago, cinles said:

We have old Cameron back - impulsive, poor judgment & immature.

...and performing technological miracles with the greatest of ease (transforming Rover's algorithm into an amazing breakthrough in a mere month, despite another coder's long-term efforts repeatedly falling short). Because of course she did.

[dubbel zout]

1 hour ago, Catbookss said:

I love the Bos/Cam scenes. Of all the relationships on this show, theirs is my favourite.

Same here. He calls her on her crap but is supportive and loving.

1 hour ago, Catbookss said:

Cameron: "You asked!" 

Joe and Gordon in unison: "No, we didn't."

I loved that. This season seems to have a lot more humor than the others, and I'm here for it.

1 hour ago, Rowsdower said:

despite another coder's long-term efforts repeatedly falling short

They did say the the other coder was trying to do two things at once, so I buy that he wasn't really getting either task done properly.

[Rowsdower]

1 minute ago, dubbel zout said:

They did say the the other coder was trying to do two things at once, so I buy that he wasn't really getting either task done properly.

I don't have a problem with that part. I find it difficult to believe that Cameron needed only a month to replace a broken algorithm with a cutting-edge technology that apparently outstripped all of its competition.

 But the writers routinely treat her as the Jesus of computer programmers, so I'm not surprised.

[ganesh]

1 hour ago, Rowsdower said:

...and performing technological miracles with the greatest of ease (transforming Rover's algorithm into an amazing breakthrough in a mere month, despite another coder's long-term efforts repeatedly falling short). Because of course she did.

The "coder" wasn't really that much of a coder though. 

9 minutes ago, Rowsdower said:

But the writers routinely treat her as the Jesus of computer programmers, so I'm not surprised.

But, yes. Apparently she can make video games, invent Siri and google all before breakfast.

[tennisgurl]

By next season, Cameron and Joe will be saying "and what if we invented something where, you look at pictures of things you can buy, and then people can BUY those things! We can call it...C-Bay!" 

So I guess Cameron gave up the idea to bail Boz out, but you KNOW this is going to come out and create drama. Its too bad, because I was actually enjoying the more stable Joe/Cameron thing going on. 

I like that the season is focused more on discovery and comedy, but I am sure we will get to conflict soon. 

[magdalene]

Once again Cameron is way ahead of the curve  with her tiny house love.  Just looking at her and Joe in one of those mini tin cans gives me an acute feeling of claustrophobia.

[cinles]

43 minutes ago, tennisgurl said:

By next season, Cameron and Joe will be saying "and what if we invented something where, you look at pictures of things you can buy, and then people can BUY those things! We can call it...C-Bay!" 

So I guess Cameron gave up the idea to bail Boz out, but you KNOW this is going to come out and create drama. Its too bad, because I was actually enjoying the more stable Joe/Cameron thing going on. 

I like that the season is focused more on discovery and comedy, but I am sure we will get to conflict soon. 

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You think? Because Cameron went behind everybody's back and Donna has already figured out something isn't right. Someone finds out Cameron did it next episode - not sure who it is, but she's bitching Bos out, so maybe it's Tanya. Bos should trust Tanya as far as he can throw her.  "By next season, Cameron and Joe will be saying" - Boo Hoo

[CanadaPhil]

Well, it looks like Donna will have an out for crushing her daughter's spirit. That role may fall to Cameron now. 

 

There is one element this season that does really work for me though... the new comedic touches have at times just had me just howling unexpectedly.... such as...

"Uh-Oh... Porn Alert!... As per company policy I am now stepping away from the computer"

Hahahahahaha. :D  

But, the now rekindled relationship of trust and friendship between Gordon and Joe has made me really happy. That scene with them interacting at the pool table was pure gold.

Edited September 11, 2017 by CanadaPhil

[tennisgurl]

15 minutes ago, cinles said:

"By next season, Cameron and Joe will be saying" - Boo Hoo

I truly do not understand what that means. Are you saying I am complaining about how the protagonists Forrest Gump their way through multiple technological breakthroughs throughout the show? Because thats a feature to me, not a bug. I enjoy watching them come close to things we see everywhere now, and see how mind blowing it must have been in its very early stages. I certainly didn't say that in a negative way, so I am not sure what I would be "boo hooing" about. Or is that a reference to something else? Not being a smart alec, I really just have no idea. 

[Ingrin]

1 hour ago, tennisgurl said:

I truly do not understand what that means. Are you saying I am complaining about how the protagonists Forrest Gump their way through multiple technological breakthroughs throughout the show? Because thats a feature to me, not a bug. I enjoy watching them come close to things we see everywhere now, and see how mind blowing it must have been in its very early stages. I certainly didn't say that in a negative way, so I am not sure what I would be "boo hooing" about. Or is that a reference to something else? Not being a smart alec, I really just have no idea. 

That caught me off guard too, but then I realized it probably wasn't meant to be read with snark.  It was sincere.  This is THE Final season of HaCF, by design, it was announced and scripted with that expectation.

[cinles]

1 hour ago, tennisgurl said:

I truly do not understand what that means. Are you saying I am complaining about how the protagonists Forrest Gump their way through multiple technological breakthroughs throughout the show? Because thats a feature to me, not a bug. I enjoy watching them come close to things we see everywhere now, and see how mind blowing it must have been in its very early stages. I certainly didn't say that in a negative way, so I am not sure what I would be "boo hooing" about. Or is that a reference to something else? Not being a smart alec, I really just have no idea. 

You said, "by next season..." I don't see any emojis on this board, so I wrote 'boo hoo' because there won't be a next season. Now a smiling emoji would be great. How I miss IMDb. *sigh*

[tennisgurl]

Just now, cinles said:

You said, "by next season..." I don't see any emojis on this board, so I wrote 'boo hoo' because there won't be a next season. Now a smiling emoji would be great. How I miss IMDb. *sigh*

Ah, I've got ya! I feel silly for not figuring that out right away! Darn that lack of emojis that make it easier to express the wide range of human emotion! I was a bit confused, but I totally agree. I will miss this show a lot. 

15 minutes ago, Ingrin said:

That caught me off guard too, but then I realized it probably wasn't meant to be read with snark.  It was sincere.  This is THE Final season of HaCF, by design, it was announced and scripted with that expectation.

That totally makes WAY more sense than either snark or a reference that I wasn't getting! Sorry about the confusion @cinles ! 

[cinles]

1 hour ago, CanadaPhil said:

Well, it looks like Donna will have an out for crushing her daughter's spirit. That role may fall to Cameron now. 

 

There is one element this season that does really work for me though... the new comedic touches have at times just had me just howling unexpectedly.... such as...

"Uh-Oh... Porn Alert!... As per company policy I am now stepping away from the computer"

Hahahahahaha. :D  

But, the now rekindled relationship of trust and friendship between Gordon and Joe has made me really happy. That scene with them interacting at the pool table was pure gold.

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The almost grown up Clark girls are the best thing they did this season, even though I think Anna Chlumskey is going to be a breath of comedic fresh air too. 'Bark with a q is a drink...' 

[scrb]

9 hours ago, Rowsdower said:

I don't have a problem with that part. I find it difficult to believe that Cameron needed only a month to replace a broken algorithm with a cutting-edge technology that apparently outstripped all of its competition.

 But the writers routinely treat her as the Jesus of computer programmers, so I'm not surprised.

This is my problem with the show.  They have the characters touch on ALL the tech milestones of the past 30-40 years.  They started out with PCs and simple text games.  And 10-15 years later, they're involved with the products that led to the dot com boom (and bust)?

One character says search will be a billion dollar business.  It's more verging on hundreds of billions, just with Googles market valuation alone.

Yahoo was founded by guys who were in one of the top grad schools for computer science.  Same with Google.

They both got VC funding rather early and the race was on to draw traffic, with some way to monetize that traffic later.

So both companies had money to hire the best engineers.  Even if Cameron was the Mozart of programming, she doesn't just go into a new area of technology and come up with the billion dollar algorithm.

Early on, Yahoo and Google weren't even direct competitors.  In fact Yahoo used Google tech for a few years.

For the purpose of dramatic conflict though, they made Comet and Rover direct competitors, with the old gang split between the two.  I'm sure the show runners are familiar with this history but are taking license to dramatize technology.

A more realistic story might be that these characters enjoyed some measure of success with their original ventures and then saw this gold rush in the mid 90s and tried to wet their beaks by becoming patent trolls and suing successful companies during or after the dot com era.

[AllyB]

10 hours ago, tennisgurl said:

By next season, Cameron and Joe will be saying "and what if we invented something where, you look at pictures of things you can buy, and then people can BUY those things! We can call it...C-Bay!" 

That already happened last year with Donna and Cameron. Donna realised people were using Community to buy and sell things, they decided to formalise the process but realised another company were doing it already so they bought them out. It was the catalyst for everything that happened all season. Diane fell for Boz when she realised he was a good negotiator. Cam wanted to fire the two guys they brought on with the new company and Donna lied to keep them. And Mutiny was mainly a prE-bay when Donna decided to float the company and tanked it.

[dubbel zout]

14 hours ago, cinles said:

Someone finds out Cameron did it next episode - not sure who it is, but she's bitching Bos out, so maybe it's Tanya.

Tanya is a very new employee of Comet; has she even met Cam? I think Donna figures it out on her own. 

[ganesh]

It looked to me like Donna already knew prior to asking the coder. 

[cinles]

5 minutes ago, ganesh said:

It looked to me like Donna already knew prior to asking the coder. 

Donna knows something is wrong, but It doesn't really allude she thinks Cameron is behind it - yet.

1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

Tanya is a very new employee of Comet; has she even met Cam? I think Donna figures it out on her own. 

In the preview, Cameron is yelling at Bos about someone knowing, but it doesn't sound like it's Donna. It's not, 'I'm losing my sh*t' yelling. lol It may not be Tanya, but Tanya did research on Bos, so she doesn't necessarily have to know Cameron to figure it out.

[ganesh]

Oh I think Donna definitely knows. They made a whole deal on how it "only took a month" then they said how it was Bos' idea and a huge lightbulb went off over her head. 

[Dowel Jones]

So what's the connection with the two ice skaters in the title?  Is is Comet vs. Rover?  The two Clark teens? Donna vs. Cameron 2.0?

[CanadaPhil]

This whole lazy writing scenario is shades of Season 1 with Cameron and Bos quietly working behind the scenes to keep Cardiff Electric afloat. (I mean the GIANT funding aspect which Nathan was cutting off)

When Bos was delivering his lines on Saturday, I was immediately struck by how it was completely reminiscent of the S1 scenes where Bos is convincing the FBI dudes that the bank embezzling was all HIM!... using his Cameron coached jibberish explaining how easy it was for him to manipulate the Kermit TCIP protocals to hack the local bank's terminal.

That's what I meant earlier when I used the phrase coming full circle. 

Seriously, are we still using these kinds of plot points with the Series soon coming to an end??

Apart from the comedic and Gordon-Joe moments on Saturday I am very disappointed in the direction Ep. 4 seems to taking the plot. 

Edited September 11, 2017 by CanadaPhil

[attica]

3 minutes ago, Dowel Jones said:

So what's the connection with the two ice skaters in the title? 

Foreshadowing: Cam is going to have Joe kneecap Donna right before the next COMDEX. :)

[dubbel zout]

"WHHHHY MEEEEEE?!??!?!?"

[CanadaPhil]

"Whhhhuhhhhhhhh----Eyyyyyyyye"

..... delivered in worst ugly-cry face ever captured on film!! :D

 

Bahahahahahaha.... Oh 1994... you such a silly year. ;P

 

Oh, I don't think Dowel ever got a straight answer. You must be very young.... just Google "Tonya Harding and Nancy Kerrigan". It was like, BIGGER than OJ... cuz OJ had not happened yet. It is just a reference to probably the most watched and talked about cultural phenomenon of 1994. And... I suppose that Cameron and Bos have just effectively "knee-capped" Joe, Gordon and poor sweet Haley. Hmmmm.... but in the end "Tonya" and her entourage got their just desserts in 1994....so perhaps Cam and Bos will have a huge fall from grace.  

Oh!! hold on... Is it that Cameron is "Tonya" and Haley is "Nancy"? Cam did buy a TRAILER! :D

hahahaha. 

Wait.... but who is "Gilooly"?... Joe!???

OH!!!... Tom is "Gilooly" 

:D

Edited September 11, 2017 by CanadaPhil

[cinles]

36 minutes ago, Dowel Jones said:

So what's the connection with the two ice skaters in the title?  Is is Comet vs. Rover?  The two Clark teens? Donna vs. Cameron 2.0?

The episode titles sometimes make me scratch my head. I'm not too deep, but I think it's just because the ice skating competition was on and the scandal and it could refer to the Donna/Cameron feud or it just reminds us it's 1994. Maybe there's an interview on the AMC website that talks about it. ??

27 minutes ago, CanadaPhil said:

"Whhhhuhhhhhhhh----Eyyyyyyyye"

..... delivered in worst ugly-cry face ever captured on film!! :D

 

Bahahahahahaha.... Oh 1994... you such a silly year. ;P

 

Oh, I don't think Dowel ever got a straight answer. You must be very young.... just Google "Tonya Harding and Nancy Kerrigan". It was like, BIGGER than OJ... cuz OJ had not happened yet. It is just a reference to probably the most watched and talked about cultural phenomenon of 1994. And... I suppose that Cameron and Bos have just effectively "knee-capped" Joe, Gordon and poor sweet Haley. Hmmmm.... but in the end "Tonya" and her entourage got their just desserts in 1994....so perhaps Cam and Bos will have a huge fall from grace.  

Oh!! hold on... Is it that Cameron is "Tonya" and Haley is "Nancy"?

hahahaha. 

OMG It could mean so many different things, but probably nothing we think because the 2 Chrises have become weird. At least we knew what SETI and Landfall meant. Oh, how I long for season one.

46 minutes ago, CanadaPhil said:

This whole lazy writing scenario is shades of Season 1 with Cameron and Bos quietly working behind the scenes to keep Cardiff Electric afloat. (I mean the GIANT funding aspect which Nathan was cutting off)

When Bos was delivering his lines on Saturday, I was immediately struck by how it was completely reminiscent of the S1 scenes where Bos is convincing the FBI dudes that the bank embezzling was all HIM!... using his Cameron coached jibberish explaining how easy it was for him to manipulate the Kermit TCIP protocals to hack the local bank's terminal.

That's what I meant earlier when I used the phrase coming full circle. 

Seriously, are we still using these kinds of plot points with the Series soon coming to an end??

Apart from the comedic and Gordon-Joe moments on Saturday I am very disappointed in the direction Ep. 4 seems to taking the plot. 

Don't you dare dis season one! lol

[CanadaPhil]

1 hour ago, cinles said:

The episode titles sometimes make me scratch my head. I'm not too deep, but I think it's just because the ice skating competition was on and the scandal and it could refer to the Donna/Cameron feud or it just reminds us it's 1994. Maybe there's an interview on the AMC website that talks about it. ??

OMG It could mean so many different things, but probably nothing we think because the 2 Chrises have become weird. At least we knew what SETI and Landfall meant. Oh, how I long for season one.

Don't you dare dis season one! lol

I'm NOT!

YOU know how much I LUV'D S1!!

:D

It's just that if the "Chris-is-is-izzis" think they can just try to repeat it they are Nukin Futz!

By "lazy writing" earlier, I meant that they seem to be just trying to repeat what they have already done.

And we are clearly way past this now. After both Cameron and Joe poured their hearts out to each other at Comdex'90? (one of the BEST episodes of the whole series!) what she has now done completely goes against what has been said and done in the preceeding 5 episodes. 

Her actions will clearly completely gut Joe, not to mention  Gordon and Haley. I would see Gordon particularly crushed as well. Gordon in his own way has been a rock for Cam of late. If either one of them were ME, I would be kicking her to the curb after this.

;)

 

But.... I think I get the strange unexplained standoffishness between Haley and Cam now. It was probably deliberate as the Chriss-is-is-iziz were going to have Cameron pull this move and any depiction of any sort of caring relationship between them would have made what Cameron has done even MORE unbelievable. 

Edited September 11, 2017 by CanadaPhil

[Moores Law]

Hey.  Just noticed that the 'Green Glow' is back in this episode.  It appears in the scene between Joe and Gordon playing pool.  Here the green light is reflected off the baize.  This has been bugging me since the season one closing episode (1984) where at the office party, the whole cast seem to be bathed in a horror-movie style green glow and it's appeared in every season since.  Very strange.  Anyone else notice this?

[cinles]

30 minutes ago, CanadaPhil said:

I'm NOT!

YOU know how much I LUV'D S1!!

:D

It's just that if the "Chris-is-is-izzis" think they can just try to repeat it they are Nukin Futz!

;)

We REALLY didn't know what Bos was up to in season one - obviously, any altruism Bos felt has melted over the years, because Bos cares about Bos. This is not the Bos who said, 'cause you're the future'. But knowing he had almost talked Donna into selling probably kills him. We haven't heard about his relationship with Diane - if Diane knows about his money problems (where's your boat John?), it may be the end of the cruise for them.

They'll probably end the season with everyone driving in the wooden sided station-wagon hitting & killing some animal. lol