S03.E13: Looking for Mr. Goodbrain, Part 2

[Chicago Redshirt]

The economics of an international brain trade seem pretty hard to figure out. Blaine and Papa Blaine were able to charge premium amounts because they selected targets for zombiehood and they had leverage over their targets. And also, they were for-profit minded. But they had limited infrastructure and were just getting started.

FG is already a multinational corporation, and their leaders seem more concerned about the welfare of zombies as a species than as a business opportunity. Also, they have more than cash to offer governments: the use of FG mercs, or even infecting their own soldiers. I don't think the logistics of getting brains from remote places to Seattle would be very difficult, and I don't think foreign governments would be that difficult to deal with once cash was shoveled their way.

[Affogato]

1 hour ago, Chicago Redshirt said:

The economics of an international brain trade seem pretty hard to figure out. Blaine and Papa Blaine were able to charge premium amounts because they selected targets for zombiehood and they had leverage over their targets. And also, they were for-profit minded. But they had limited infrastructure and were just getting started.

FG is already a multinational corporation, and their leaders seem more concerned about the welfare of zombies as a species than as a business opportunity. Also, they have more than cash to offer governments: the use of FG mercs, or even infecting their own soldiers. I don't think the logistics of getting brains from remote places to Seattle would be very difficult, and I don't think foreign governments would be that difficult to deal with once cash was shoveled their way.

I'm betting FG is already doing this and processing and freezing the brain tubes against "D Day", or at least they would if they had any sense, as well as accustoming people to eat the amount of brains they need, not the amount of brains they want.

All of a person's food budget couldn't go to brains, Liv and they people at the bar are eating other food regularly and probably need calories. 

[ketose]

41 minutes ago, Affogato said:

I'm betting FG is already doing this and processing and freezing the brain tubes against "D Day", or at least they would if they had any sense, as well as accustoming people to eat the amount of brains they need, not the amount of brains they want.

All of a person's food budget couldn't go to brains, Liv and they people at the bar are eating other food regularly and probably need calories. 

In the case of Marcy, she was left for weeks without brains. She was still shuffling around in a well, but with none of her own mind left. It doesn't seem like non-brain food is necessary for zombie existence, it's just habit. They can't even taste most food.

Also, I can't imagine FG has limitless resources. If they are publicly traded, their stock price must be going in the sewer. Who wants to invest in a literal zombie company whose main business is giving brains away to their employees and thousands of people in Seattle?

That's the other option. Starve them out. Create a full brain embargo.

[Affogato]

2 minutes ago, ketose said:

In the case of Marcy, she was left for weeks without brains. She was still shuffling around in a well, but with none of her own mind left. It doesn't seem like non-brain food is necessary for zombie existence, it's just habit. They can't even taste most food.

Also, I can't imagine FG has limitless resources. If they are publicly traded, their stock price must be going in the sewer. Who wants to invest in a literal zombie company whose main business is giving brains away to their employees and thousands of people in Seattle?

That's the other option. Starve them out. Create a full brain embargo.

I don't know, that would make Zombism magic. Energy has to come from somewhere. Well, What the hell

Yes, I hope FG has managed to off set this in some way, but they haven't had a whole lot of years. Somewhere (wheres) someone is mashing and packaging brains, though, in a factory setting. I think brains are probably hard to get for them but they would be really stupid not to put some away for the big reveal. It wouldn't be making them actual money, though.

 Oopsie. a film of romero zombie will cure them of that. Hi, I'm so and so and this is my brain on brains and this is what happens when I'm not on brains. Yikes. Send more paramedics!

[jhlipton]

The "free market" sucks when it comes to limited and required resources.  For-profit schools, prisons and health care are bottom of the barrel.  So I'm hoping that the Ciommie pinko socialist libralls are in charge of distribution.  The gap between the haves and the have-nots is fatal in this instance (either to the zombie or the tasty meat-packets near them).

[ketose]

8 minutes ago, jhlipton said:

The "free market" sucks when it comes to limited and required resources.  For-profit schools, prisons and health care are bottom of the barrel.  So I'm hoping that the Ciommie pinko socialist libralls are in charge of distribution.  The gap between the haves and the have-nots is fatal in this instance (either to the zombie or the tasty meat-packets near them).

Well, it is Seattle. There are enough commie pinko socialists.

[jhlipton]

4 hours ago, ketose said:

Well, it is Seattle. There are enough commie pinko socialists.

Hooray for Seattle!

[possibilities]

22 hours ago, Chicago Redshirt said:

Money makes the world go round, and makes brains ship around the world.

It would be fun if zombie food needs wiped out poverty around the world, and brains were covered by insurance.

[ketose]

10 hours ago, Affogato said:

I don't know, that would make Zombism magic. Energy has to come from somewhere. Well, What the hell

Yes, I hope FG has managed to off set this in some way, but they haven't had a whole lot of years. Somewhere (wheres) someone is mashing and packaging brains, though, in a factory setting. I think brains are probably hard to get for them but they would be really stupid not to put some away for the big reveal. It wouldn't be making them actual money, though.

 Oopsie. a film of romero zombie will cure them of that. Hi, I'm so and so and this is my brain on brains and this is what happens when I'm not on brains. Yikes. Send more paramedics!

A human brain is about 1600 calories. That's more or less the daily caloric requirement for a living human. However, zombies have no body temperature to maintain, so they don't have to burn biological fuel. That being said, a zombie only has 3% of a human's metabolism from minimum brain eating.

Zombies are magic, though. Old zombie movies were about corpses that are reanimated using voodoo. Romero essentially created the brain-loving automatons that were supposedly created by alien rays.

 

3 minutes ago, possibilities said:

It would be fun if zombie food needs wiped out poverty around the world, and brains were covered by insurance.

There's an idea. Free health care if we can desecrate your body posthumously.

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[jhlipton]

8 hours ago, possibilities said:

It would be fun if zombie food needs wiped out poverty around the world, and brains were covered by insurance.

There will be people (deplorable people, and we all know who they are) who will be opposed because of this.

 

8 hours ago, ketose said:

Free health care if we can desecrate your body posthumously.

That's why I think there will be an "anti-donor" card.  Donating body parts is already against several religions, and that's when the parts are going to other humans. 

[Affogato]

On 7/1/2017 at 10:30 PM, ketose said:

A human brain is about 1600 calories. That's more or less the daily caloric requirement for a living human. However, zombies have no body temperature to maintain, so they don't have to burn biological fuel. That being said, a zombie only has 3% of a human's metabolism from minimum brain eating.

Zombies are magic, though. Old zombie movies were about corpses that are reanimated using voodoo. Romero essentially created the brain-loving automatons that were supposedly created by alien rays.

 

There's an idea. Free health care if we can desecrate your body posthumously.

I was also thinking of the zombies from "The Serpent and the Rainbow", book and movie, held in a zombie state by a drug that mimics death and rebirth and their own belief that they deserve this state (to really oversimplify). It isn't hard to believe that Utopium might be a kind of synthetic datura, I suppose.

Ravi is doomed, I fear, if he is trying to cure a magical ailment by physical means. And the zombie mercs are sure burning more than 1600 calories a day :-)

[jhlipton]

On 7/3/2017 at 3:11 PM, Affogato said:

Ravi is doomed, I fear, if he is trying to cure a magical ailment by physical means.

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."  Thank yopu, Mr Clarke, for these and the rest of your wonderful words.

[Chicago Redshirt]

The thing is, zombies are not going to be average Americans. Zombies feel much less in the way of fatigue, so they hypothetically could work close to 24-hour shifts for prolonged periods.

They are going to be stronger and faster when in full-on zombie mode. 

So they have the potential to earn way more than a typical human, through working additional hours or doing different types of work. Zombie fight clubs, 

They also have the possibility of discrimination. Other than FG or other all-zombie businesses, it would be a risk to have a zombie employee. You can't be sure if the person would rage out or pose a threat to eat someone's brains, infect someone, etc. Would non-zombie businesses be willing to take that risk? 

Then there is the matter of how badly zombies need brains. Normal humans can eat a wide variety of foods, and do so because we have tastebuds that might say an ice cream sundae or pizza or whatever is great. 

But if eating a particular food every day was required to keep you sane and from being a danger to others, how much would you pay for it? How much would you cut back from your other spending to keep a regular supply? 

Also, with most normal humans fleeing Seattle, would the real estate market tank? Could FG or zombies buy places for cheap?

[Affogato]

3 hours ago, jhlipton said:

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."  Thank yopu, Mr Clarke, for these and the rest of your wonderful words.

Zombies were created with technology from an advanced civilization? Wow :-)

My hope for the next season, shuffling of society aside, is one I don't think is going to happen. I was thinking about the first season. Liv is initially depressed and finds a new direction, some new friends and a new purpose. She did some badass things, but only borrowing these things from the brains of others, and so it has continued.  This past season she seemed to be hardly an actor at all in the whole affair. I'm afraid if she doesn't go to cop school, take a level of merc training, start to actually take an active part in the research for her cure, she will just end up being a pretty passive female character whose main plot is her love affairs.  If nothing else, with Chase and Major it is a lot easier to give them the guns and the action. And so on. 

1 hour ago, Chicago Redshirt said:

 

Then there is the matter of how badly zombies need brains. Normal humans can eat a wide variety of foods, and do so because we have tastebuds that might say an ice cream sundae or pizza or whatever is great. 

But if eating a particular food every day was required to keep you sane and from being a danger to others, how much would you pay for it? How much would you cut back from your other spending to keep a regular supply? 

Also, with most normal humans fleeing Seattle, would the real estate market tank? Could FG or zombies buy places for cheap?

I'm sure the real estate market will tank to some extent and a lot of businesses will fold.

Zombies seem to not only need brains, they want them, crave them, really, so I'd say a lot.

[jhlipton]

22 minutes ago, Affogato said:

Zombies were created with technology from an advanced civilization? Wow :-)

Hardy har har!!!!  LOL

[Jacks-Son]

4 hours ago, jhlipton said:

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."  Thank yopu, Mr Clarke, for these and the rest of your wonderful words.

Arthur C.  You're quoting one of the Gods! 

[jhlipton]

8 minutes ago, Jacks-Son said:

Arthur C.  You're quoting one of the Gods! 

Yes, I know.  Isaac, Arthur and Robert.

[Jacks-Son]

2 minutes ago, jhlipton said:

11 minutes ago, Jacks-Son said:

 

Yes, I know.  Isaac, Arthur and Robert.

Asimov, Clarke, & Heinlein. The Holy Trinity of Sci-fi.

[Ashand11]

On June 28, 2017 at 8:20 AM, Chicago Redshirt said:

Thoughts on rewatch:

It's kind of a dick move for Justin and Major to not call to let people know that they were OK. Also a dick move for Liv to not have called Justin about where she was.

I, too, am grateful that Liv didn't drag out the secret of where she was for like a half-dozen episodes. Justin seemed to take particular offense to Liv sleeping specifically with Chase. Is it just that Chase shot him in the stomach, or what?

Justin claims that he's been on brains and one can fight their influence if one wants to. Seems like a bit of a retcon from my point of view. Justin was on a steady diet of tube, and seemed to not know much about the concept of real brains until Major supplied him with zuumba instructor brain.

Also, is it true that one can fight off the effects of a brain? Liv had not seemed to be able to until Katty. Was that a function of there being real stakes (not wanting to zombify humans) or coincidence or what?

The choreographer blue brain was funny.

So there's some link between the dead D&D guy, hacking, Russia and the brains Blaine is importing from there. I guess we'll have to tune in next season to see what's up with that.

The Carey Gold plot was pretty convoluted, if you think about it. "I'm going to give Chase this barky dog, for red herring reasons, as opposed to just transporting it, period. I will put Aleutian flu in the dog's anti-barking collar. I'm going to then put the dog in a plane from Paris to Seattle and have my 13-year-old daughter be the one to transport it, as opposed to any of the mercenaries under my command. Then a bunch of people will be infected. Then I will infect them with the zombie virus when they are looking for the cure." It would have been way, way easier to simply have FG zombies infect who they want while most people don't know zombies exist. 

Glad Liv took Ravi down a peg by talking about how Katty wasn't choosy with her lovers.

I wonder if the FG merc who survived the explosion also survived being run over.

I also wonder if the alt-weekly reporter was like, "I told you so!" or if she's going to make a comeback.

I could have used a little more of the Chase/Blaine bad-boy off. 

Major's attempted burn of "Restroom's just down the hall" didn't make much sense.

I wish they had more space to play out why Major wanted to re-zombify. Is it because of post-traumatic stress? Is the idea that in losing Natalie, he lost whatever was good about humanity? Is it really about finding a place where he belongs? Is it because of guilt that 12 zombies died because of the going away party that was caused by his being human? I wonder if there will be a plot point about other FG zombies blaming him for their deaths.

The plan to break into Chase's home was silly. Anything they might have found wouldn't have been usable. And wasn't it a season or two ago when Clive was berating Liv for doing exactly that sort of vigilante thing? Maybe it's OK when he knows she's a zombie. They could have sought a warrant, or if they didn't want to do that, waited for a time where he was assuredly not at home for their break-in. Seems for a merc like Chase had pretty lax security. Also, I could have used some explanation as to how he knew Clive was there.

Clive and Liv basically putting their cards on the table doesn't work unless Chase is a good guy. Also, they probably should have asked Chase questions designed to elicit the stuff implicating Carey Gold or at least trying to get at the mysteries. Where did you get that dog? Can we test its collar? Who tried to kill Barracus? Who was at Wham Bam and would have had opportunity to plant the rifle?

How many women's names does Chase have on napkins, anyway?

Wonder if Baracus had any clue about the Gold plan to zombify folks. 

"You actually saw the murder?" Unfortunately, Clive, Liv never does. 

The confrontation between Carey and Chase: It makes me wonder why Chase had not apparently done much to investigate the disloyal faction in the company, especially when that disloyal faction blew up his sister-in-law and others. Or why Carey didn't just attempt to kill or co-opt Chase earlier. Chase's concern about having to kill so many zombies to make the plan work seems strange when there were also a bunch of humans who are going to be at risk. I

It's a little unearned for Boz to be back into Clive. Did Clive have any foreknowledge that Tanner was a zombie, or did he just piece it together?
So for the Liv/zombie teens thing to work: 1. Liv has to go without Clive or any other backup 2. At least one garage door has to be open. 3. A teenage zombie's smartphone needs to have been left unlocked. 4. Liv had to have her phone be dead 5. Liv needed to not see that there was someone in the tanning booth, and the person in the tanning booth needed to not hear Liv. 

I like that James Doohan (aka Scotty from Star Trek) got the elementary school shoutout. 

Liv's ability to sneak into the school without any of the mercs seeing her is pretty amazing. But then again, the mercs never managed to get even a shot off when they were chasing Liv. I could get that Justin had some ambiguous feelings about shooting her himself, but no reason why the others would.

Why is Chase only the COO? 

The foolishness of Ravi trying his own vaccine is self-evident.

Or Liv could have just showed up for a booty call lol I doubt he would have thought that was strange.

[Affogato]

11 hours ago, Ashand11 said:

Or Liv could have just showed up for a booty call lol I doubt he would have thought that was strange.

That makes sense, he seems to think he's adorable and she could probably use some relaxing sex.

I wonder if the heartbeat is enough to sustain a reasonable erection?

On 7/4/2017 at 10:28 PM, Jacks-Son said:

Asimov, Clarke, & Heinlein. The Holy Trinity of Sci-fi.

No Ellison, LeGuin and Sturgeon?

[Jacks-Son]

2 hours ago, Affogato said:

No Ellison, LeGuin and Sturgeon?

Harlan Ellison, Ursula K., & Theodore Sturgeon are all excellent writers, however they are mostly Fantasy writers. I believe @jhlipton started off by quoting a hard Science Fiction writer, so we kept up the streak. You could add David Weber's "Honor Harrington" series to the hard sci-fi list but Weber, while prolific, misses God-Like status, as do many other excellent hard sic-fi authors. There are so many sci-fi-fi/fantasy authors that it's too numerous to list. Among the one's I loved the most are:  Neil Gaiman, Stephen R. Donaldson (The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant), Jim Butcher (both Dresden series & Codex Alera series), David Eddings (The Belgariad series), Robin Hobb (Farser books), Terry Brooks (Shannara books), & L.E. Modesitt, Jr. (Recluse series).

[ketose]

5 hours ago, Affogato said:

No Ellison, LeGuin and Sturgeon?

I always found Ellison to be a one-trick pony. Plus, he disparaged "Forever Knight" on the Tom Snyder show once.

[jhlipton]

Moving this to the Small Talk: Braaaaaains thread

[Thrifty]

Remember that scene where Liv was trying to escape the Fillmore Graves bioterrorists?  She locks eyes with Justin.  He hesitates briefly, then shouts for backup?  That scene is the entire reason their relationship was written into the show in the first place.

[Affogato]

4 hours ago, Thrifty said:

Remember that scene where Liv was trying to escape the Fillmore Graves bioterrorists?  She locks eyes with Justin.  He hesitates briefly, then shouts for backup?  That scene is the entire reason their relationship was written into the show in the first place.

So, is Justin a spy for Carey, a spy for Chase, or just a zombie who reevaluated his priorities?

[ElectricBoogaloo]

8 hours ago, Thrifty said:

Remember that scene where Liv was trying to escape the Fillmore Graves bioterrorists?  She locks eyes with Justin.  He hesitates briefly, then shouts for backup?  That scene is the entire reason their relationship was written into the show in the first place.

It was their Rolf/Liesl moment. Funny how your moral convictions become that much stronger when you're mad at your ex.

[Thrifty]

15 hours ago, Affogato said:

So, is Justin a spy for Carey, a spy for Chase, or just a zombie who reevaluated his priorities?

He was never a spy.  He had genuine feelings for Liv, and was genuinely hurt when he found out that she cheated on him.  What I'm saying is that the entire reason the writers of the show created that entire relationship was for the moment when he alerted the other bioterrorists to Liv's presence, and his brief struggle with the decision.

[Affogato]

4 hours ago, Thrifty said:

He was never a spy.  He had genuine feelings for Liv, and was genuinely hurt when he found out that she cheated on him.  What I'm saying is that the entire reason the writers of the show created that entire relationship was for the moment when he alerted the other bioterrorists to Liv's presence, and his brief struggle with the decision.

I don't think being a spy precludes genuine feelings, he could have been recruited after he developed the friendships, because he is also a partisan.

You may well be correct about why he was written in, it is an excellent point and may forshadow the dynamics of the fourth season.

[hincandenza]

On 6/29/2017 at 10:14 AM, CaptainTightpants said:

As an aside, I hope that we get a Chakrabarti helicopter before the end of the series! 

Just watched this season on Netflix (it came out quick this time!) and this was my takeaway from that last scene/episode.  Please, this!

It *never* happens, but just once- especially in a show that is obviously fairly tongue-in-cheek- I'd like to see a meaningful character in a TV show have a significant and lasting surge of incredible good fortune.  Not "I was rich, but by the end of the episode I wasn't, and ah well, easy come easy go...", but actual "Ravi saved the human race!" billionaire helicopter life.

This show won't run forever, and isn't  meant to be a gripping TWD style drama, but rather something loose and comical with just enough drama/plot to support the charismatic cast and goofy dialogue- I mean, any show that repeatedly goes to the "D.A. Baracus" well is clearly just for fun.  So why not go with that, and have Ravi's vaccine work and him actually, you know, win?  Another poster mentioned how Liv basically has no real purpose on the show anymore since Zombiism is public and massive.  She's just another white-haired chick at this point whose only claim to fame is being one of the earliest zombies; even Major and Blaine have more meaning since they both were cured, then returned... but Ravi was the guy who was fired from the CDC for claiming Zombies were real, who can cogently explain how Zombiism came about, managed to make a functional cure in a lab in a morgue, and now may have a vaccine.  

[ketose]

I definitely wasn't impressed by how they "resolved" the cliffhanger last season of a bunch of merc zombies taking out Max Rager. Most of the time, they ignored it so Liv could act strange and have fewer flashbacks. Is Liv going back to solving murders with her wacky ability to eat brains? At least it will be a year before I have to decide not to watch.

[Scarlett45]

On 6/28/2017 at 2:04 AM, GaT said:

Yeah, how many times are they going to go back to this plot? Is he going to be cured again next season?

They managed to pretty much wrap things up, but I feel really disatisfied. Maybe because I didn't really like this season to begin with. Hopefully they'll find a better direction next season. Has the show been renewed yet?

Can someone please fill me in- end of season 1 Liv scratches Major and turns him into a zombie to save his life (without his knowledge or consent), Season 2 Major is a Zombie at the beginning but is given a cure that wears off and ends in death so they re-Zombie-Fy him? Season 3 he's a Zombie and gets a cure that actually works and gets infected again if his own volition? I am not remember why he got Zombied the second time. 

[possibilities]

I don't think the second time happened. The first cure was killing him, so they gave him the second cure that they thought might destroy his memory. But it didn't, it just cured him. Then he chose to be re-zombified at the end of Season 3.

[ketose]

In Season 1, Blaine shot Blaine and Liv scratched Major to save him. After he woke up slightly zombified, Liv gave him the last of the 2 cure doses.

Major was human (with zombie sense) for Season 2, where he was the "Chaos Killer."

The cure wore off and Major reverted to zombie. He joined the merc team at FG.

They gave him the second "amnesia" cure when he was about to die from the side effects of the first cure.

After Natalie was killed, Major decided to be scratched again and join FG.

This happened almost in parallel to Blaine, who was cured, reverted to dying zombie, cured again and scratched to become a zombie.

[Scarlett45]

7 hours ago, possibilities said:

I don't think the second time happened. The first cure was killing him, so they gave him the second cure that they thought might destroy his memory. But it didn't, it just cured him. Then he chose to be re-zombified at the end of Season 3.

 

6 hours ago, ketose said:

In Season 1, Blaine shot Blaine and Liv scratched Major to save him. After he woke up slightly zombified, Liv gave him the last of the 2 cure doses.

Major was human (with zombie sense) for Season 2, where he was the "Chaos Killer."

The cure wore off and Major reverted to zombie. He joined the merc team at FG.

They gave him the second "amnesia" cure when he was about to die from the side effects of the first cure.

After Natalie was killed, Major decided to be scratched again and join FG.

This happened almost in parallel to Blaine, who was cured, reverted to dying zombie, cured again and scratched to become a zombie.

Ah thank you!! I think I got lost because he got turned back into a Zombie before he was arrested for being the Chaos killer-they had to smuggle him brains in prison. 

 

Season 4 should be interesting. I'm sad I couldn't make comic con this year. 

[Thrifty]

I'm still so bummed that the bad guys won.  I hope that the federal government crushes Fillmore Graves, as they would to any bioterrorist organization.  FG has their small band of zombie mercenaries, but the U.S. has a pretty formidable army of its own.  I'm sure the government can take over the sourcing of brains as well.

[Affogato]

On 7/21/2017 at 7:57 AM, Thrifty said:

I'm still so bummed that the bad guys won.  I hope that the federal government crushes Fillmore Graves, as they would to any bioterrorist organization.  FG has their small band of zombie mercenaries, but the U.S. has a pretty formidable army of its own.  I'm sure the government can take over the sourcing of brains as well.

Still a lot of Fill-More-Graves are presumably just people and their families who were at the picnic. The actual bioterrorists, and they were bioterrorists, you are correct, seem to be a faction, not necessarily associated with the Fillmore Graves blackwater operation, either.

[Thrifty]

18 hours ago, Affogato said:

Still a lot of Fill-More-Graves are presumably just people and their families who were at the picnic. The actual bioterrorists, and they were bioterrorists, you are correct, seem to be a faction, not necessarily associated with the Fillmore Graves blackwater operation, either.

Well yes of course.  Chase Graves, of course, would be out.  Even though the scheme wasn't his idea and done without his approval, he's still CEO and it was done on his watch.

 

As for the innocent employees, yes I would agree with the police leaving them alone.  Maybe their skills could find them places in the government run zombie relations / brain distribution department.  However, Fillmore Graves, as a private entity, needs to effectively cease to exist.

[Affogato]

7 hours ago, Thrifty said:

Well yes of course.  Chase Graves, of course, would be out.  Even though the scheme wasn't his idea and done without his approval, he's still CEO and it was done on his watch.

 

As for the innocent employees, yes I would agree with the police leaving them alone.  Maybe their skills could find them places in the government run zombie relations / brain distribution department.  However, Fillmore Graves, as a private entity, needs to effectively cease to exist.

Chase isn't CEO yet and was around Seattle for only a short period of time and he killed the leader of the terrorist cell, if he can stop shooting people in the gut because they do something he doesn't like and restore order in Seattle I think he and Fillmore have a chance, if only because this is pretty unusual circumstances. And a TV show.

Do we know if F-G has a board of directors? Did I miss a mention?

Do we know what they are diversified into besides sketchy energy drinks and private armies?

[ketose]

You would think zombification would be a better bargaining chip. Maybe FG should have gone with "We're moving to Zombie Island and we'll buy brains from friendly sources. If you bomb us or starve us, someone scratches 100 people in the 10 biggest cities in the world and you all eventually become zombies."

[Affogato]

On 7/24/2017 at 4:50 PM, ketose said:

You would think zombification would be a better bargaining chip. Maybe FG should have gone with "We're moving to Zombie Island and we'll buy brains from friendly sources. If you bomb us or starve us, someone scratches 100 people in the 10 biggest cities in the world and you all eventually become zombies."

That's bioterrorism. Sane zombies would want to avoid the taint.

[ketose]

On 7/27/2017 at 2:54 PM, Affogato said:

That's bioterrorism. Sane zombies would want to avoid the taint.

Well, they're an abomination to the natural order, so compromises have to be made.

[Affogato]

23 hours ago, ketose said:

Well, they're an abomination to the natural order, so compromises have to be made.

Please. They're going with "the next big thing in the evolution of homo sapients."

[AudienceofOne]

In this day and age, a show about evil vaccinations is actively harmful. It ruined this episode for me. 

[Affogato]

On ‎8‎/‎7‎/‎2017 at 4:00 AM, AudienceofOne said:

In this day and age, a show about evil vaccinations is actively harmful. It ruined this episode for me. 

I see where you got that, but it never occurred to me and honestly I don't know, it is pretty strong fantasy stuff, zombie blood in the vaccinations and more like focused bioterroism. It isn't as if anti zombie activists had infected polio vaccinations sent all over the country and kids were eating their parents heads randomly (four in Cleveland and then it skips to Delaware, a rise in Chicago which may be linked to vaccinations from X lab in Philadelphia) Which is possible in this world, I suppose and also more like what the anti vaccination people seem to be afraid of...everyone knows you can poison Tylenol and it is still a potentially useful drug.

Also, Ravi is representing the positive side, or at least we hope he will be representing the positive side of vaccination.

[aradia22]

Wow. OK. Carey Gold? That wasn't even like "The Butler Did It." It felt like "The Dog Did It." (Yeah, I see it.) Seriously though, we barely got a sense of this character. And now all these motivations have suddenly been thrust upon her. And as far as speeches go where one character tells the other character how character A committed the crime, executed the plan, etc., it was a pretty unsatisfying one. Vaughan could have done that speech. Vivian. But Chase was the wrong character to handle that. He's too dull and military. This kind of speech is all Columbo and all the quirky TV detectives who followed. Otherwise, it just feels like a big exposition dump from the writers.

I would have liked to enjoy Carey finally owning the loyalty of the soldiers and her plan being revealed but again, unsatisfying when I just started realizing I should care about this character when we found out her daughter was on the plane. And then Chase just killed everyone? Okay...

I still don't care about Clive and blonde lady. I can't remember her name. She is boring. It did not help that she got another one of these tie-everything-up speeches. And all the coincidences there actually felt weird. Since there was no grand conspiracy it was almost like fate for everything to be connected. Which is not what this show is... unlike shows about religion, magic, prophecies, etc.

And then Liv faced off against... hateful teenage girls? In the little screentime she had, Patrice quickly became the worst but... why? Like her mom, there was no development there.

This is a weird plan. If they give everyone who gets the flu vaccine an infusion of zombie blood then won't they run out of brains eventually? Or are they just building up Team Zombie for the eventual us vs. them struggle? I would get it if the plan was to somehow incapacitate humans so their brains could be harvested. But just make everyone zombies? That's more mouths to feed. I'm not talking about what Chase ended up explaining but the plan that the bad guys had. 

Is this a message about organ donation? This is weird. So now there's just a zombie population in Seattle? But people travel. That's how viruses really spread now. Zombies aren't quarantined. What if a zombie accidentally scratches someone abroad or chooses to have sex with someone. I still feel like this is not well thought through. 

I'm hoping we get more of Ravi trying to find a cure next season. This seems unsustainable.

Good for Blaine I guess that he has customers again?

So what are the loose ends? Stuff with Blaine... Will Ravi become a zombie/create a vaccine or cure? Will there be a zombie vs. human war or something like that?

I still love the show. Of course I'm going to watch next season. But that's not really an exciting note to leave things on. On the whole, this season has been a bit depressing and dull.