Relationships in Riverdale

[jay741982]

A thread to talk about any of the relationships in the show. Whether it's family, Friendship or Romantic. 

[Zig-Zod]

Jughead's line this week about how Kevin and Veronica are people he would've shunned a few weeks ago made me wonder about how much Jughead would avoid Betty if he knew Kevin was hanging out with her too. I'm probably overthinking it, but the initial set up made it seem like Kevin and Betty were close friends, and he doesn't exactly seem new in town. And yet Jughead doesn't consider him a friend (which I can understand since they swapped Kevin's comics personality for something more stereotypical that this Jughead wouldn't really get along with), and I guess would avoid him if he could help it. That and his "Oh, it's Kevin" line, lol.

[Lady Calypso]

1 hour ago, Zig-Zod said:

Jughead's line this week about how Kevin and Veronica are people he would've shunned a few weeks ago made me wonder about how much Jughead would avoid Betty if he knew Kevin was hanging out with her too. I'm probably overthinking it, but the initial set up made it seem like Kevin and Betty were close friends, and he doesn't exactly seem new in town. And yet Jughead doesn't consider him a friend (which I can understand since they swapped Kevin's comics personality for something more stereotypical that this Jughead wouldn't really get along with), and I guess would avoid him if he could help it. That and his "Oh, it's Kevin" line, lol.

For me, it's not that Jughead would avoid Betty if she was hanging out a lot with Kevin, but it's the fact that Jughead doesn't associate himself with Veronica or Kevin. Not that he hates them, but they never talk or hang out without Betty or Archie there, so he doesn't consider himself friends with them. He's only friendly with them because of Betty and Archie. Now that he has Betty and Archie in his life (but I guess more Betty since he was friends with Archie before), he has to be more social and he has more people by association that he never would have talked to or even acknowledged beforehand. 

[jay741982]

I think they may have had Jughead say that cause he will wind up spending more time with Kevin and Veronica. I also noticed how he really wanted to be alone with his girlfriend on his birthday since it was being celebrated. 

[Advance35]

The Family dynamics and intrigues could border on Game of Thrones if given a few more layers.  The Blossoms, The Lodges, The Coopers and now with Archie's family getting some exposition, Riverdale is becoming comically byzantine.   I do think the Blossoms are the most disturbed and potentially the most ruthless.   What they did to Polly surprised me and their near contempt for their own child, Cheryl, shows a callousness worthy of super villains.   Their grudges run DEEP, the hate for the Coopers is palatable and when Cheryl had Veronica over for dinner, The Blossoms seemed to relish being able to gloat about her Father being incarcerated and smirking about how hard that must be on her.  Clearly the grudges extend to the children of their enemies. BUT

I think I am beginning to become suspicious about the Lodges, I think they may be up for anything BUT murder.   Hiram and Hermione have been maneuvering as well, but Hermione doesn't have the horrendous PR that the Blossoms do.  She's managed to get up to no good with FP, Fred and Mayor McCoy.  But as far as her rep, she's just a woman who's husband was a criminal trying her best to recover for the sake of her daughter and herself.  The Lodges may be smoother operators than the Blossoms.  Hermione and Veronica are very good at getting people to like them.  Hopefully Hiram is as charismatic.  They remind me of the Tyrells to the Blossoms Lannisters.

Hermione and Veronica holding hands at the end of TRAB, seemed like they were bracing for the Storm.  They know EVERYTHINGS about to get crazy and their trying to make sure their little part of Riverdale comes through it all ok.   Hermione is not a monster but she's clearly made of harder stuff than her daughter (at this point), I don't think she cares about Jughead or FP outside of the Southside Serpents being useful, I don't think Ethel's plight made much difference to Hermione either.   

If you really examine all the pieces, Riverdale is a VERY interesting place.

[methodwriter85]

Well, now it seems like Hermione and Veronica are plotting against each other. Hmm.

Anyway, I do like Fred and Archie's relationship so I'm glad they didn't kill him off. Archie's character seems to be at his best around Fred, or in Fred-related plots.

They have to add in some replacement Blossom patriarch, I feel like.

[FurryFury]

I'm sorry, but Archie and Fred bore me to death together or apart.

[PeekaBoo]

It's nice to see archie and fred have a seemingly normal son-father relationship sorta like the walshes or the Cohens... nice to have some stability from these crazy ass parents...

but unless some sort of drama happens between them it will get dull... 

[PeekaBoo]

Ok, i'll try using this thread instead...

While I think the whole Bughead reunion was cute and just like, finally!!! I just wished it had a bit of a raising momento? Like if they had built it up from this ep and them doing it next episode instead?!?! Just saying....

I mean, don't get me wrong, i don't think it was just "thrown-out-there" but it seems to come a bit out of nowhere, like yeah, he's ignoring her for 2-3 episodes (which is like 1-3 weeks) and suddenly they start talking and then everything is alright again (after revelations and communication!)... And hey i know, they're kids, they're talking again and then all the feelings are back and they're not going to waste their time with it... (sigh)

So I feel like I shouldn't complain because bughead fans got what they wanted and we should be happy with it...  :D :D :D

Hopefully they can have something slightly sexier like in 1x13 but that's just an added bonus... Once the i love yous rolls out, bughead fans have will have their peace, lol!!

[WhosThatGirl]

Yeah.. I’m a little worried because they didn’t really confirm anything officially as of them back together. I’m hoping next episode we get I Love Yous and more talking.

This was the Bughead episode we were all hoping for! I hope they get back to their season 1 vibes. 

As for the other couple, Veronica and Archie. I said in the episode thread that it seems like their foreshadowing a breakup? Hiram mentioned that If Veronica kept dating Archie he would need to be in the fold of what the Lodges are all about or.. he’s out. And Veronica doesn’t want him in. So I suspect this means that Hiram is going to break them up. 

Also Archie is doing the FBI stuff on her family and should that come out( which it probably will) that’s not going to be good.

As for non romantic relationships, can the core four hang out again? When was the last time they all hung out together in the same scene? Episode 1 of this season, the hug scene in the hospital? I think that may be it.

[Ruby Red]

Well, as I read a few awesome meta's on the Betty/Jughead first time scene, I wanted to put my thoughts here as well since it is probably more of a approriate subject in the relationship thread:

On a more brighter note. Betty and Jughead scenes, the sleuthing together has always been such a great part of their dynamic! They work so well together. And Jughead letting Betty in again, telling her she is the only he could talk to about this despite the fact he broke up with  her, but he can't help it. Him opening up to her, telling her about his kiss and groping session with Toni, realizing how he has made several dumb decisions, which included breaking up with her, and yes there was not a lot of reaction from Betty about skinning Penny..  But I think it would have been a little hypocritical after what she did to Chuck, which is equally bad. So I understood her lack of an extreme response. Neither of them are angels and have done pretty bad stuff - I am not certain yet if I like it, or at least from Jughead I still prefer season 1 Jug who I don't think would ever have done such thing, but perhaps it is another way for them to understand each other... So they don't really judge each other for their more uglier aspects of their personalities. If things only had been more consistent and executed better, but oh well...

So on to Betty and Jughead's first time and what lead up to it... Yes, I was bothered with the fact that Betty lied to him and did not tell him about kissing Archie when she may have almost been ready to confess when she said, "I need to tell you something.", I can understand why she got scared of doing so. This was the same guy that she loves who has been pushing her away, who has shut her out of his life, who was now finally communicating with her again, letting her in. Who told her that he was sorry for pushing her away, shielding her from his world and his "darkness" (they really need to stop using that word) and she said "I can handle it." and how he says "I know. I know you can.", he is giving back her agency and will hopefully stop making decisions for her like this to only push her away. When Betty asked Jughead about him and Toni, he mentioned Archie again, which implies that he still is dealing with some insecurities. How it still bothers him that Betty broke up with him via Archie. So, when Jughead asks Betty to stay, it tells her he is finally letting her in again. I think she really did not want to lose that, for him to build another wall like he has before, I think the whole point of her saying, "I just want you. I want all of you." was that he is the only one she wants and that kiss with Archie doesn't matter because it's not important for it to ruin the moment. She did not want him to feel bad like how he had been venting about all his bad decisions before. I think they both really needed those moments of intimacy again, many things in the episode showed how they still love each other without even having to say another "I love you." verbally. I don't think it was unrealistic, and they are teenagers. I did wish Betty had told him before, but it seemed like they just really needed it and it looked passionate, sweet and full of longing at once. And Betty’s smile as she came home at the Cooper’s was lovely!

I would have liked something more out of their first time, a longer scene and a afterglow scene of them happy together with things like, “I missed you.” Etc. but I’ll accept this one. It is clear they have missed each other and they love each other, the episode showed us all of that without telling. Maybe there’ll be more scenes in other episodes.

Edited February 1, 2018 by Ruby Red

[WhosThatGirl]

Yeah.. I loved the scenes in the episode but I did want a little bit more for my Bughead heart. I’m hoping we get more in the forthcoming episodes this seasons. 

[Mabinogia]

My heart melted when Betty was so pleased at "we". That is why they work so well as a couple. They are about so much more than sexual attraction. They are about "we" they are a unit. I was more excited about them working together to find the bronze head than I was about them sleeping together because it is their partnership that I absolutely adore. It is them working together, as a unit. It is them having each others backs, not judging. I love that Betty was horrified by Jug's confession about skinning a woman, but didn't run away in terror. It's like she knows him well enough to know that isn't really who he is and was an anomaly.

I will be all in on the Serpents if the show manages to get Alice back into the fold, with her and FP as King and Queen of the Serpents, and their children, Betty and Juggy as the Prince and Princess. lol I really do want them to be this weirdly dysfunctional but utterly enjoyable little family.

Falice are my main pairing (I can't help it, every single scene with them, no matter how short or innocent is just packed with sexual tension and I LOVE it), but Bughead are right there with them, in a more sweet, functional way.

[wingster55]

On 2/1/2018 at 4:44 AM, PeekaBoo said:

but it seems to come a bit out of nowhere

IMO that's a description of their entire relationship. 

[WhosThatGirl]

5 minutes ago, wingster55 said:

IMO that's a description of their entire relationship. 

Eh. I disagree. Season one they were really great. And now they are hopefully getting back there.

[wingster55]

14 minutes ago, WhosThatGirl said:

Eh. I disagree. Season one they were really great. And now they are hopefully getting back there.

Betty was all about Archie the first 4-5 episodes. There was no period of her slowly getting over him...she literally flipped a switch and became all about Jughead despite not knowing him at all. That's the definition of "came out of nowhere" for me. 

[wingster55]

2 hours ago, Sonoma said:

After the first 2 eps they were no longer writing Betty as pining after Archie, so I'm not sure how eps 3-5 show that she was all about him unless I missed something. The writers were setting her up with Jughead with that first exchange at Pop's at the end of ep 2. It's also been mentioned multiple times they've been friends since they were kids. They just didn't know the pairing was going to be so popular. But I guess I can see how some may see the Bughead pairing coming out of nowhere.

It was significant when she heard his song on the loudspeaker. But really I question how much Betty and Jughead were friends considering she didn't know his birthday or even met his father. Archie knew both hence being the only friend Jughead had. 

[Ruby Red]

2 hours ago, wingster55 said:

It was significant when she heard his song on the loudspeaker. But really I question how much Betty and Jughead were friends considering she didn't know his birthday or even met his father. Archie knew both hence being the only friend Jughead had. 

I think that was a mistake on the writers. Before Jughead and Betty dated, she called him "Juggie", she knew that he was writing a book so she asked him to join the Blue and Gold, that one scene when they sat outside together and he was eating fries I think and he playfully raised his eyebrows at her like they were having a private inside joke - all those scenes made it look like they were friends and their relationship was not just a "friend of a friend" kind of thing. I did think her not knowing his birthday and never met FP was a little strange, but I also assume while they were friends of some sort they were not that close. Because Betty had her infatuation with Archie, and Betty was probably a more social kid while Jughead more introvert.

Edited February 15, 2018 by Ruby Red

[PeekaBoo]

What??

Were we meant to get a hint of Bughead from that little glance at the end of episode 2?!?!? Really?!?!

Am I the only one not seeing it?

Been rewatching the clips and although it seemed like the camera was focusing more on Bughead, I wouldn't have noticed it had it not been for you guys! I thought Betty was looking longingly at Archie in sort-of giving-up-on-him look, wow!!

I may have read way too many fanfics to make a post that makes sense but i'm wondering whether Jughead, being the introvert that he is, probably kept Betty and anyone else (except archie) away from getting too close. I'm pretty sure archie was the only one that was aware of Jughead's challenges etc. Betty, being the "nice" person that she is, probably accepted that and tried to work with what she had.... That's not without adding the whole infatuation over ARchie that blinded her to other things...

There was a build-up until their first kiss but it was very discrete, you alsmot wouldn't have noticed it (well, except Jealous!Jug when he finds out about Betty's date with Trev). And when she heard Archie's song, to me it felt like Betty finally was freed from that Barchie spell she was under lol!!

IMO, to me it was like maybe Betty didn't see Jughead the same way (I think jughead was always crushing on her) but when they did get together, she felt like she had opened the doors to a new world... Eugh... yes yes, I'm still in valentine's day mode sorry!Not sorry!  ;-)

[Ruby Red]

36 minutes ago, PeekaBoo said:

What??

Were we meant to get a hint of Bughead from that little glance at the end of episode 2?!?!? Really?!?!

Am I the only one not seeing it?

Been rewatching the clips and although it seemed like the camera was focusing more on Bughead, I wouldn't have noticed it had it not been for you guys! I thought Betty was looking longingly at Archie in sort-of giving-up-on-him look, wow!!

I may have read way too many fanfics to make a post that makes sense but i'm wondering whether Jughead, being the introvert that he is, probably kept Betty and anyone else (except archie) away from getting too close. I'm pretty sure archie was the only one that was aware of Jughead's challenges etc. Betty, being the "nice" person that she is, probably accepted that and tried to work with what she had.... That's not without adding the whole infatuation over ARchie that blinded her to other things...

There was a build-up until their first kiss but it was very discrete, you alsmot wouldn't have noticed it (well, except Jealous!Jug when he finds out about Betty's date with Trev). And when she heard Archie's song, to me it felt like Betty finally was freed from that Barchie spell she was under lol!!

IMO, to me it was like maybe Betty didn't see Jughead the same way (I think jughead was always crushing on her) but when they did get together, she felt like she had opened the doors to a new world... Eugh... yes yes, I'm still in valentine's day mode sorry!Not sorry!  ;-)

 

I understand that, that moment was quite ambigious that it is not suprising most people did not notice. It's the way the scene was set up. Jughead and Archie enter Pop's, and Veronica and Archie were staring at each other as Betty was looking at Archie. You can see that Jughead is not even looking at the girls and saying something to Archie. Then Betty says something to Veronica and she looks the second time at the guys and you see Jughead and Betty looking at each other - well, it was implied anyway. Archie was giving both Jughead and Betty (or Veronica?) looks, and Veronica was blurry on the screen when Betty was looking at probably Jughead and then she asked them if they wanted to come over. You can see Jughead's eyes go from Betty to Archie and back to Betty and he says "Only if you're treating." 

But it is true, there was some build up but it was really subtle that a lot of people have overlooked. I think when Betty was looking at Jughead up and down when she saw him in his suit for Jason's funeral (lol great timing) may have been when she realized she was attracted to him. I wouldn't be suprised if he did have a soft spot for her and and a crush for a few months or even a few years. He was nervous when he decided to kiss her for the first time, and he let out a sigh of relief when she returned the kiss - like he'd been wanting to do this for a while. 

Betty's infatuation for Archie is probably what made her not pay much attention to Jughead. But I think when she realized Archie did not feel the same and it was not going to happen, and Jughead was showing to be her friend she started to really notice him more. It is kind of sad actually, lol. But I think Jughead is Betty's first love (and she is his) and she learned what being in love really feels like.

Edited February 15, 2018 by Ruby Red

[PeekaBoo]

38 minutes ago, Ruby Red said:

 

I understand that, that moment was quite ambigious that it is not suprising most people did not notice. It's the way the scene was set up. Jughead and Archie enter Pop's, and Veronica and Archie were staring at each other as Betty was looking at Archie. You can see that Jughead is not even looking at the girls and saying something to Archie. Then Betty says something to Veronica and she looks the second time at the guys and you see Jughead and Betty looking at each other - well, it was implied anyway. Archie was giving both Jughead and Betty (or Veronica?) looks, and Veronica was blurry on the screen when Betty was looking at probably Jughead and then she asked them if they wanted to come over. You can see Jughead's eyes go from Betty to Archie and back to Betty and he says "Only if you're treating." 

But it is true, there was some build up but it was really subtle that a lot of people have overlooked. I think when Betty was looking at Jughead up and down when she saw him in his suit for Jason's funeral (lol great timing) may have been when she realized she was attracted to him. I wouldn't be suprised if he did have a soft spot for her and and a crush for a few months or even a few years. He was nervous when he decided to kiss her for the first time, and he let out a sigh of relief when she returned the kiss - like he'd been wanting to do this for a while. 

Betty's infatuation for Archie is probably what made her not pay much attention to Jughead. But I think when she realized Archie did not feel the same and it was not going to happen, and Jughead was showing to be her friend she started to really notice him more. It is kind of sad actually, lol. But I think Jughead is Betty's first love (and she is his) and she learned what being in love really feels like.

THIS! Spot on RubyRed.

Oh yeah, that scene in Betty's room before Jason's funeral, that was totally secret/shy/awkward flirting from both of them, lol!!!

And Jughead was definitely pining on her for a while. Whether it's been years or months, who knows! But it was there. I'm pretty sure he was just convinced that she was the kind of girl he could never get because of Archie, because of his upbringing, etc. etc.

But dissecting that little clip there at the end of ep2, wow! I'm watching it and barely seeing it! lol!!!

And swoon, yeah, Betty now knows what its like to really be in love and that explains her ride-or-die  thing...

 

 

 

 

[Mabinogia]

6 hours ago, Ruby Red said:

I did think her not knowing his birthday and never met FP was a little strange

Not knowing his birthday is a bit strange. Never having met FP isn't all that strange. FP isn't exactly a hands on father and I don't think Jug would be in any hurry to show him off to his friends. Jug probably never had anyone over his house. He knows he's not like the other kids in school, with proper houses and loving parents. I don't think Betty and Juggy were ever close friends, but I could buy they've known each other for a long time but only just started getting close.

[Ruby Red]

27 minutes ago, Mabinogia said:

Not knowing his birthday is a bit strange. Never having met FP isn't all that strange. FP isn't exactly a hands on father and I don't think Jug would be in any hurry to show him off to his friends. Jug probably never had anyone over his house. He knows he's not like the other kids in school, with proper houses and loving parents. I don't think Betty and Juggy were ever close friends, but I could buy they've known each other for a long time but only just started getting close.

I think more like, the idea that FP had no idea who Betty was seemed a bit strange, especially because of his history with Alice, Fred etc. In 1x07 FP asked, "Who is Betty? Is she your girlfriend?" and in a later episode Jughead introduced Betty to FP and he never said anything like, "Betty, as in Alice Cooper's daughter?" I think it was sloppy writing. And I would love to get more  backstory of the Betty/Jughead/Archie dynamic when they were kids, it's all just assumptions and headcanons now. IBut it's interesting to explore more, with Jughead's insecurities towards Archie. I think all the Betty/Jug interactions from 1x03-1x05 showed that they were friends, especially with that scene where they were sort of having this inside joke thing without even saying a word when he raised her eyebrows at her playfully - that tells me it wa n ot just a "friend of a friend" kind of dynamic. But yeah, I don't think they were really close before.

Edited February 15, 2018 by Ruby Red

[PeekaBoo]

24 minutes ago, Sonoma said:

It's subtle but it's there. Betty first looks at Archie then looks at Jughead in "that" moment when he's looking at her and the camera is focused more on him than Archie, and then her eyes dart back to Archie to ask them if they want to join her and Veronica. It's not supposed to be this huge moment because again, they weren't anticipating Bughead to become the most popular thing about the show. But it was supposed to show the start of a growing thing between Jughead and Betty.

But yeah, the history and storytelling is scattered all over the place and that's the problem when you have so many different writers and the writing has been weak. But from what I've been told and from what you get out of interviews-- Archie, Jughead, and Betty have all been friends since they were kids. However, Jughead has always been very guarded and shared little about his family life. Archie was his best friend and knew him the most, also because his house was a safe haven for Jughead. But even Archie didn't know FP was in the Serpents. To be fair, growing up I had no idea what the majority of my friends' parents did for a living lol. Now that I think about it, my preteen/teen years best friend's mother was a "writer" and yet I never saw anything she wrote and still haven't to this day. Perhaps she too is a Serpent.

You know, my excuse for FP not knowing about who Betty was or any of Jughead's friends is due to his alcoholism (and yes, very poor writing)! I'm figuring, the guy is dead drunk most of the time and probably little involved in his kids' lives so of course he wouldn't know about Betty... He did make a face in 1x08 when he learned that Polly was Betty's sister hence Jason's girlfriend, you could see the wtf-shock  written on his face.

I doubt Jughead would be the type of kid who would bring people over to his house to hang out!

But it is true that when you're a teen, you don't really know what your parents or parents' friends are up to, it's kind of a secret adult life they don't have access too... lol.

[WhosThatGirl]

Aside from the birthday thing, which was odd, I always assumed Jughead kept FP away from his life for the most part. And especially when Jughead then stopped living with him, FP was a completely separate entity from him. I remember the scene at Pops when Archie, Jughead, Fred, and FP were having dinner and Archie mentioned Betty and Jughead sort of had a look like “why did you mention her?” It seemed like he wanted to keep his relationship with Betty away front FP and vide versa.

[PeekaBoo]

11 minutes ago, WhosThatGirl said:

Aside from the birthday thing, which was odd, I always assumed Jughead kept FP away from his life for the most part. And especially when Jughead then stopped living with him, FP was a completely separate entity from him. I remember the scene at Pops when Archie, Jughead, Fred, and FP were having dinner and Archie mentioned Betty and Jughead sort of had a look like “why did you mention her?” It seemed like he wanted to keep his relationship with Betty away front FP and vide versa.

Can you imagine if FP goes on a drunken rant and starts talking shit about girls/Cooper girls/Betty and Jughead would have to stand there and listen to that?! He would have every reason in the world to keep his life apart from FPs....

[WhosThatGirl]

13 minutes ago, PeekaBoo said:

Can you imagine if FP goes on a drunken rant and starts talking shit about girls/Cooper girls/Betty and Jughead would have to stand there and listen to that?! He would have every reason in the world to keep his life apart from FPs....

Right? I always assumed Jughead kept FPS at arms length to protect himself, especially when we met Jughead at that point(unbeknownst to us until the drive in episode) he was living at the drive in, FP didn’t know much about his life and Jughead didn’t know much about FPS. But I feel like it was an act of self preservation on Jugheads part.

The birthday thing is strange, only because I can’t understand how Betty didn’t know? That is confusing. But to me the FP stuff makes sense, Betty probably would have noticed Jugheads absent Dad because she wasn’t looking for it.

[Advance35]

Another relationship i wish was explored a little further is Hiram and Hermione.  The show has done a good job of painting them as co-conspirators and I've enjoyed aspects of that.   And though they are bad people, I have know doubt they love their daughter, as much as people like them can.  But the writers have also hinted at their being genuine pathos to the relationship.  When Veronica felt she couldn't say "I love you" to Archie and said she didn't understand why it was a big deal and that she doesn't remember ever hearing Hiram or Hermione tell the other "I love you."  The look on Hermione's face.

I don't for one minute think there is a bleeding heart trapped beneath her veneer, I think Hermione is genuinely a woman who values money and power more then she does love or sentiment but there was a wisp of regret I wouldn't mind the show following up on at some point.  They are beautiful, rich, sophisticated and top of the pile in so many ways, but there marriage, seems ultimately, hollow.  This put them in seeming contrast when compared to Fred/Mary, Hal/Alice, FP/Alice and in their own twisted way, Clifford/Penelope.

[MarkHB]

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[SeanC]

Among the four main characters, the least-developed relationship (and by some way) is Veronica and Jughead.  This makes sense, of course, since they aren't so much directly friends as Veronica is friends with the girl Jughead is dating and dating a guy Jughead is friends with.  They could probably do more with those two characters going forward, particularly since they represent opposite ends of the income ladder.

[HeatLifer]

2 hours ago, ruby24 said:

I think Betty and Jughead are more likely to stay together through the series than the show's other couples. I could even see them getting married super young (the show already has them apparently living as a couple, in the same house as their parents, also living as a couple, which is crazy, imo. Especially since they're in high school).

But if they're going to be that couple, I don't see why they can't do some other kinds of romances, triangles, etc, with the other couples. Archie and Veronica do NOT have to be together consistently over the course of the show- I'm really surprised they got them back together so fast last season. I mean technically they weren't together most of it, but I thought they would at least go another season before reuniting.

PREACH. I have my own thoughts on Bughead, but it’s irrelevant and I’m not caring for a debate, lol. Although I don’t think they should be married any time soon, if we’re stuck with them, why do we also have to be stuck with Varchie? At least allow them to be in other dynamics. Damn.

[methodwriter85]

I am completely and utterly grossed out by Choni now. Eww. The whole Toni looking all for the world like a house slave that Cheryl has sex with was gross enough, but the Jason corpse thing took it beyond.

[methodwriter85]

I made the mistake of checking the Choni hashtag on Twitter and it's all about how sexy they look and wanting to see them have more sexytimes. Ick. God, I hate shipping. 

Edited November 5, 2019 by methodwriter85

[HeatLifer]

9 hours ago, methodwriter85 said:

God, I hate shipping. 

Sometimes I truthfully don’t know what show some of these fans are watching, lol. Especially those who believe Riverdale is going to end in some happily ever after for all these couples, as if there will be some group wedding where everyone will hold hands and exchange their hopes and dreams for the future while it rains puppies.

[methodwriter85]

I was really disheartened by the Choni fan response on Twitter. If all you took from the Halloween episode is how sexy Toni looks, your priorities are really, really out of whack. I feel like I want to sit Vanessa down and tell her that a steady paycheck isn't worth degrading yourself as the sex object on a show that clearly has no use for you beyond that. Of course if she left they'd just recast anyways. Not like Toni is beyond recasting.

[HeatLifer]

8 minutes ago, MollyWebber said:

Not that they won't hit any bumps along the way

Can’t wait. I don’t care at all who is endgame. I want drama, I want fun, I want unexpected, I want these actors to show their range and have the ability to work with other people for a change. 

[Josh371982]

On 11/5/2019 at 1:10 AM, methodwriter85 said:

I made the mistake of checking the Choni hashtag on Twitter and it's all about how sexy they look and wanting to see them have more sexytimes. Ick. God, I hate shipping. 

Well Cheryl is one of those characters that gets excused for EVERYTHING while those people bash other characters like Betty for everything like she blackmailed Cheryl once cause u know Cheryl has never done or would do that RME

[HeatLifer]

4 hours ago, MollyWebber said:

I like Lili and KJ

I have no preference what form it comes in - friends, romance, enemies, in Brett’s diary - someone write a damn scene for KJ Apa and Lili Reinhart. It shouldn’t be this hard. 

[HeatLifer]

1 minute ago, MollyWebber said:

I don't see anyone saying it has to happen. And I HATED Barchie in the comics. I think he was a disrespectful asshole to her. I'm just saying that because I like Lili and KJ's dynamic, I wouldn't mind the pairing. And it wouldn't ruin their relationship with Jughead if done the right way. It's a crazy fantasy show, not a serious teen drama.

This. And, this Barchie is nothing like the comics. Some people like the connection exclusively on Riverdale and what KJ/Lili bring to it.

This should go unsaid, but we all like different things. Obviously some will hate and it some will love it. That’s the nature of entertainment. Can’t please everyone. 🤠