Season 18 Live Feed Discussion: Their Lives are Almost as Boring as Ours!

[peachmangosteen]

Jozea called it. He truly is the Messiah.

[Brian Cronin]

7 minutes ago, Ceeg said:

 

I don't fully understand what is motivating Nicole to want to flip, while also not telling Day

 

I think it is more anti-Bronte now than anything else. She just thinks Tiffany wouldn't come after her while Bronte would. So less a "I want to save Tiffany" and more "Why am I saving Bronte over TIffany? How does that benefit me?" While also hoping that Frank and Day go at each other with her safely to the side. 

Edited July 14, 2016 by Brian Cronin

[peachmangosteen]

If anyone wants to see Michelle flip the vote the flashback time is 9:51 pm bbt on cams 1 and 2.

"We have the votes, with or without you." I mean slay a little, Big Meech!

Edited July 14, 2016 by peachmangosteen

[Ceeg]

Thanks peach, I'll check it out. 

[NeelyOh]

Missed all of last night. Is it clear whose team Michelle is really on or is she just working with everyone but Frank and the Spy Girls? For a while I thought she was closer to Da' than Nicole but reading your recent posts makes me wonder if that's true. Do you think Michelle still has some suspicion that Nic could be secretly trying to work with Frank or has Nic talked her way out of that?

Seems odd that Paulie believes that Da' is coming for him when the info came from Frank. Is he questioning it at all?

[Ceeg]

What happened to Paulie? I'm flashing back to Michelle flipping him and Nicole and ew. I liked him a couple of weeks ago. But he's so ugh in that conversation. He thinks he's going to win every comp, physical and mental. 

[Wings]

8 hours ago, Lady Calypso said:

 

But if Frank or Bridgette happen to go next week, who do we want to see come back into the house the most? I put my votes on Jozea, because the guy's such an idiot and I want him to preach about being the Messiah and rising three weeks later from the 'dead', only to realize how much has changed.

I agree.  They will not be eager to vote him out immediately because he is harmless with no agenda and everyone will scramble to get him on their side.  It would be a refreshing change.  

6 hours ago, mooses said:

Z wants to tell Day and Paulie said, if we tell her, we have to tell James. So that might happen tomorrow - which means another flip might happen. Like @Deputy Deputy CoS said, will Day tell them Tiffany wants to target Showmances if she feels like she won't be in control after Tiffany stays and try to change it again?

 I have not heard Tiffany voice any strategy.  Are you saying that Day will make that up and lie about where Tiffany stands?  

 I turned to feeds off early last night so I missed a lot and have not done catch up yet. 

6 hours ago, BlackMamba said:

The thing is how are these nitwits going to explain to Day if Tiffany stays and the score is 5-4??  They already couldn't get through a single week without being indecisiveness about who to vote out. 

I guess Michelle will have to pull these asses out thw rabbit hole. 

Who would have thought!  

[Umbelina]

Z convinced Paulie of the logic of telling James and Day today.  She's talking to Nicole and Corey now, pointing out things like Tiffany may just say something, or Day to Tiff, etc.

So apparently they have reconsidered blindsiding James and Day along with Bridgette, Bronte, Nat, Paul, and Frank.

Edited July 14, 2016 by Umbelina

[Wings]

Right now Z, Nic,Cory talking in Tokyo.  They are all still on board with Bronte out.  The plan survived the night!  Excellent.  They told Tiffany, I think, and she is happy.  She was present smiling and laughing just as I turned the feeds on and she walked out of the room. 

[Wings]

They only have about 7 hours to hold it together.  I think we just may see a good blindside.  Bronte of course but Frank will flip!  

Cory saying basically so what if Frank gets mad.  How is that going to help him?  He stands alone. 

[Lady Calypso]

7 minutes ago, Umbelina said:

Z convinced Paulie of the logic of telling James and Day today.  She's talking to Nicole and Corey now, pointing out things like Tiffany may just say something, or Day to Tiff, etc.

So apparently they have reconsidered blindsiding James and Day along with Bridgette, Bronte, Nat, Paul, and Frank.

That's good, because it would have sucked if they had blindsided these two. I get Nicole's logic for this....sorta, but what Nicole doesn't realize is that if it's a 5-4 vote, Frank knows five people turned. Nicole can only protect three people, and I'm not sure if Frank will buy that Natalie turned on Bronte. So she can protect herself and Corey, but everyone else is going to have a difficult time explaining why they voted to keep Tiffany instead. Plus, Day and James would have been pissed at them for not saying anything, which would mean Nicole would be a target sooner. 

So, good for Zak. I'm just glad this is almost a for-sure thing. It makes me smile, knowing that Bronte's going instead, and it buys Tiffany one more week, at least. Now, let's just hope that it's anyone but Frank for HOH. I've been very pleased that all the people I've wanted evicted so far have actually gone. This never happens this early! I mean, I would have preferred Paul to Bronte this week, but Bronte's a better choice. 

Also, maybe saying this multiple times will make it happen, but Day for HOH. 

[SiobhanJW]

I think Nicole is now okay with keeping Tiffany because Michelle was the one to approach her about the flip yesterday & they are keeping it from Day. She's been so sketched out by Day that since Day isn't part of this plan she feels more secure with it. That's my read on it right? Correct me if I'm wrong. 

[Wings]

The discussion veered off course with some what ifs concerning Frank winning HOH.  Z has reeled them in twice saying don't put that out into the universe.   What ifs have derailed well laid plans in previous seasons.  Good for you Z  and a standing ovation for Michele for flipping the plan last night.  She was very calm and logical in her talk with  Nic and Paulie.  She was good. 

5 minutes ago, SiobhanJW said:

I think Nicole is now okay with keeping Tiffany because Michelle was the one to approach her about the flip yesterday & they are keeping it from Day. She's been so sketched out by Day that since Day isn't part of this plan she feels more secure with it. That's my read on it right? Correct me if I'm wrong. 

They decided to tell Day and James.  It hasn't happened yet.  Good damn thing they saw the consequences in blindsiding them on this!  I am shocked they even had that plan. 

Edited July 14, 2016 by wings707

[Lady Calypso]

5 minutes ago, wings707 said:

The discussion veered off course with some what ifs concerning Frank winning HOH.  Z has reeled them in twice saying don't put that out into the universe.   What ifs have derailed well laid plans in previous seasons.  Good for you Z  and a standing ovation for Michele for flipping the plan last night.  She was very calm and logical in her talk with  Nic and Paulie.  She was good. 

And this is why I've been mostly pleased with the women this season. They are so much smarter than the men. I'm really glad Zak has put aside her jealousy or whatever toward Tiffany to think of the bigger picture. Tiffany's a shield for them, AND she's gunning the hardest over Frank. It may be a short-term thing, but Bronte was never going to benefit them like Tiffany will. I may think some of the women have some serious flaws, but they've been the most impressive this season thus far. Day, Zak, Natalie, Tiffany, and now Michelle are my top favourites to make it to the end. Paulie, meanwhile, has slipped down to lower on my list. 

Yeah, but Nicole can still go be the first one in jury. Bridgette can go before or after Frank. They're the only two I don't want to see anywhere near the finals. 

[mooses]

1 hour ago, Ceeg said:

What happened to Paulie? I'm flashing back to Michelle flipping him and Nicole and ew. I liked him a couple of weeks ago. But he's so ugh in that conversation. He thinks he's going to win every comp, physical and mental. 

He also cannot admit that he was wrong or the women just changed his mind. He has said multiple times that he was right before the HOH competition was revealed. Which, I think he was wrong about sending her home because she was on his side until he alienated her for no reason (and even his brother tweeted that he didn't get it).

1 hour ago, wings707 said:

 I have not heard Tiffany voice any strategy.  Are you saying that Day will make that up and lie about where Tiffany stands? 

Tiffany has said to Day a couple times that she's not loyal to anyone except Day/Michelle and she doesn't care anymore and would go after the Showmances (after Frank). 

2 hours ago, Ceeg said:

I don't fully understand what is motivating Nicole to want to flip, while also not telling Day. 

Nicole and Cory also said it'd be dumb to get rid of a player who would not be able to nominate them if she won HOH (I forgot about that, honestly).As for not telling Day - that was a product of her anti-Day seeds. They wanted to get rid of Day this week before Frank, and for some reason decided blindsiding Frank was the way to get him to go after Day - it was kind of murky reasoning, but was rooted in them thinking they are all-manipulative and all-competition-winning.

[SiobhanJW]

33 minutes ago, wings707 said:

The discussion veered off course with some what ifs concerning Frank winning HOH.  Z has reeled them in twice saying don't put that out into the universe.   What ifs have derailed well laid plans in previous seasons.  Good for you Z  and a standing ovation for Michele for flipping the plan last night.  She was very calm and logical in her talk with  Nic and Paulie.  She was good. 

They decided to tell Day and James.  It hasn't happened yet.  Good damn thing they saw the consequences in blindsiding them on this!  I am shocked they even had that plan. 

Right. They've decided. But why I think she was totally onboard was because Day wasn't the driving force behind it this time. On Tuesday when it was discussed, Day was the one that broached the subject with her, and then Nicole got all paranoid that Day was trying to pin something on her. Yesterday it was Big Meech who said to her this is ridiculous we need to keep her. Same idea, but someone she trusts more then Day. 

Edited July 14, 2016 by SiobhanJW

[mooses]

27 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

And this is why I've been mostly pleased with the women this season. They are so much smarter than the men. I'm really glad Zak has put aside her jealousy or whatever toward Tiffany to think of the bigger picture. Tiffany's a shield for them, AND she's gunning the hardest over Frank. It may be a short-term thing, but Bronte was never going to benefit them like Tiffany will. I may think some of the women have some serious flaws, but they've been the most impressive this season thus far. Day, Zak, Natalie, Tiffany, and now Michelle are my top favourites to make it to the end. Paulie, meanwhile, has slipped down to lower on my list. 

Yeah, but Nicole can still go be the first one in jury. Bridgette can go before or after Frank. They're the only two I don't want to see anywhere near the finals. 

Honestly, the only reason Z got on board was because Paulie gave the okay. She spoke to Nicole earlier yesterday and said she didn't think it was a smart move to get rid of Tiffany, but "they"  (Paulie) wanted to. Paulie told her last night that he respected her ideas - and I was like, well, she barely voices them so that's probably why. And she wanted Paulie to talk to Day, which won't help her and Day's relationship. 

I do agree that she'll make it far, though - but I don't think she's using Paulie as a strategic shield, she just is super into him. But last night, Paulie mentioned to Corey that they'll need Nicole/Day to eventually go after each other, so I'm not sure Paulie is totally ready to get rid of the bro-code.

Edited July 14, 2016 by mooses

[Umbelina]

Michelle gets full credit for turning Paulie around.  "We have the votes anyway." 

Nicole doesn't trust Day, and she has pretty good reasons really.  Day has been all over the place, and Day was one of the prime "get Tiffany out" forces until she changed her mind.  The Showmance + Day thing, and her being pissed about that, so wanting to break them up is the main reason.  She let her feelings out to too many people and it got back to them.

Honestly, I'd like to see Tiff or Paul win the HOH.  They are the two that I think absolutely WOULD not flip, and WOULD get Frank out, or Bridgette if Frank wins POV.  Of everyone in there, they seem the most determined to make that happen.

[Wings]

6 minutes ago, Umbelina said:

Michelle gets full credit for turning Paulie around.  "We have the votes anyway." 

Nicole doesn't trust Day, and she has pretty good reasons really.  Day has been all over the place, and Day was one of the prime "get Tiffany out" forces until she changed her mind.  The Showmance + Day thing, and her being pissed about that, so wanting to break them up is the main reason.  She let her feelings out to too many people and it got back to them.

Honestly, I'd like to see Tiff or Paul win the HOH.  They are the two that I think absolutely WOULD not flip, and WOULD get Frank out, or Bridgette if Frank wins POV.  Of everyone in there, they seem the most determined to make that happen.

I agree. 

No one should trust Day, ever.  She changes her mind, sometimes moment to moment, and is loyal to no one.

I can't watch the feeds now  or much to day.  I am hoping someone posts when James and Day are told and if they are on board.  Thanks.  I check in here off and on.  

[Umbelina]

Both Nicole and Day are untrustworthy, but I think that's GOOD, game wise.  Neither is taking things for granted and both are exploring all options, which is what you have to do to survive in this game.

I know Nicole is whiny but she IS playing the game, and nope, I don't think it's just to keep her crush in the game, I think she'd cut him, but for now doesn't want to, since he is not coming after her and can win any "HE MAN" comps BB may throw at them.

I think Day is playing pretty well too, but her paranoia is more evident than Nicole's and it's making people nervous.  That's why Day and Nicole have the other one on their radar I think, they are both gamers, and so neither one trusts the other.  Playing too hard?  Maybe.

[mooses]

10 minutes ago, Umbelina said:

I know Nicole is whiny but she IS playing the game, and nope, I don't think it's just to keep her crush in the game, I think she'd cut him, but for now doesn't want to, since he is not coming after her and can win any "HE MAN" comps BB may throw at them.

She is right to be skeptical of Day, but Day has shown no interest in booting her. She wants Corey gone to get Nicole back, which also can only happen if it's not by her hands.

Nicole is in a great position right now. Unless/until they blindside James and Day. The reason she's doing so well is because people really like her and trust her. After this, Day/James will know she betrayed them and she might move right onto their target list - previously they only talked about getting rid of Corey.

ETA: Corey is a boring dude, but he is really good at smoothing over situations and keeping his cool - which is even more obvious and important since Nicole is easily frazzled. Plus, I kinda like his doofy laugh. 

Edited July 14, 2016 by mooses

[peachmangosteen]

The second Nicole said she'd rather do Frank's dirty work than Day's she lost any respect I had for her game play (which was minimal anyway).

ETA: Also, can I just say the recent Paulie hate really warms my heart!

Edited July 14, 2016 by peachmangosteen

[Wings]

Huge mistake not to tell James and Day.  Huge.  They both want Frank out.  That is at the core of the plan to keep Tiff and get rid of Bronte.  I don't get the logic behind keeping them in the dark.  Bad plan.  If they want shelter in a 5/4 vote include them in that.  They can vote for Tiffany, the rest will vote out Bronte.  James is NOT going to tell Natalie, if that is the reason.  And last I knew Day was in favor of keeping Tiff.  

I have missed something,

Edited July 14, 2016 by wings707

[peachmangosteen]

The reasoning is that they want Day and James to still vote out Tiffany so they can pretend they're the ones who did it and put the blame on Day for keeping Tiffany.

But as of now they've changed their minds and plan o telling them.

[Nashville]

3 hours ago, Ceeg said:

I don't fully understand what is motivating Nicole to want to flip, while also not telling Day. 

Question...

45 minutes ago, SiobhanJW said:

Right. They've decided. But why I think she was totally onboard was because Day wasn't the driving force behind it this time. On Tuesday when it was discussed, Day was the one that broached the subject with her, and then Nicole got all paranoid that Day was trying to pin something on her. Yesterday it was Big Meech who said to her this is ridiculous we need to keep her. Same idea, but someone she trusts more then Day. 

...and answer.

I suspect Nicole wasn't just feeling paranoid at the prospect of a Da setup - she was also more than a little pissed off.  So when the potential arose for Nicole to do to Da what Nicole thought Da might be trying to do to her - heck, that was icing on the cake.

Sounds like they're not going with the blindside-Da-and-James option after all, though - which is probably a good thing in the long term.

[Umbelina]

11 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

The second Nicole said she'd rather do Frank's dirty work than Day's she lost any respect I had for her game play (which was minimal anyway).

ETA: Also, can I just say the recent Paulie hate really warms my heart!

I think it's smart to keep her options open.  Frank wins comps.  Day does not.  Nicole's in a position to go either way now. 

Paulie is fucking annoying!  Egotistical asshole. 

4 minutes ago, wings707 said:

Huge mistake not to tell James and Day.  Huge.  They both want Frank out.  That is at the core of the plan to keep Tiff and get rid of Bronte.  I don't get the logic behind keeping them in the dark.  Bad plan.  If they want shelter in a 5/4 vote include them in that.  They can vote for Tiffany, the rest will vote out Bronte.  James is NOT going to tell Natalie, if that is the reason.  And last I knew Day was in favor of keeping Tiff.  

I have missed something,

They are supposedly going to tell them today.

Oh shit, Corey is telling Tiffany too much right now.  Shut up big boy, this is not your forte.

Day will be able to rope Tiff right in by exposing that they all wanted her out.  That will be fun too.

[Lady Calypso]

3 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

The reasoning is that they want Day and James to still vote out Tiffany so they can pretend they're the ones who did it and put the blame on Day for keeping Tiffany.

But as of now they've changed their minds and plan o telling them.

Yeah, that seems to be the logic. But Frank, again, will still know that five people went against him. Either Paulie/Zak, or Nicole/Corey are going to be screwed and I'm not sure if they could come up with a convincing lie as to why they voted to evict Bronte over Tiffany. Frank expects it to be unanimous, so he's going to be in for a big shock, especially with Corey/Paulie lying to him last night. 

So, in reality, this would have been a big chaotic mess, but this way, Day and James aren't completely pissed at Nicole/Corey/Paulie/Zak.

[peachmangosteen]

3 minutes ago, Umbelina said:

I think it's smart to keep her options open.  Frank wins comps.  Day does not.  Nicole's in a position to go either way now. 

That's fine, but she's an idiot for wanting to do anyone's dirty work. You want people to do your dirty work! And anyone who specifically wants to do Frank's dirty work is just a nimrod.

[SiobhanJW]

I think Tiff knows that this was all last minute & she'll nod and smile and make them think that she thinks that they've had her back the whole time. Nicole was walking out of rooms and avoiding her, and then when they decided she was staying it was sunshine, rainbows & hugs. Haha. 

Edited July 14, 2016 by SiobhanJW

[Umbelina]

Is it wrong that I kind of want Bridgette gone more than Frank?

I wouldn't mind a paranoid and weakened Frank staying in the game for another week.

[Wings]

6 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

The reasoning is that they want Day and James to still vote out Tiffany so they can pretend they're the ones who did it and put the blame on Day for keeping Tiffany.

But as of now they've changed their minds and plan o telling them.

My point is to tell them the plan!  They will agree to do that.  THEY all want Frank out and that is the core idea of this plan.

[peachmangosteen]

1 minute ago, wings707 said:

THEY all want Frank out and that is the core idea of this plan.

I don't think they do actually. Nicole doesn't. Corey I'm unsure of.

Um ...

[mooses]

1 minute ago, Umbelina said:

Is it wrong that I kind of want Bridgette gone more than Frank?

I'll take a Bridgette blindside tonight and Frank gone next week. 

Just now, peachmangosteen said:

I don't think they do actually. Nicole doesn't. Corey I'm unsure of.

Um ...

What the...

[Wings]

6 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

So, in reality, this would have been a big chaotic mess, but this way, Day and James aren't completely pissed at Nicole/Corey/Paulie/Zak.

I am not sure about this.  They will be pissed, especially Day.

[mooses]

Nicole's wavering on keeping Tiffany again. She looks super worried now.

Edited July 14, 2016 by mooses

[peachmangosteen]

Nicole is the woooooooooorst.

[Nashville]

If they're truly wanting Frank off-balance for the HoH comp - regardless of who-all is in on the Plan, I suspect they'd be better off keeping the vote at a 5-4 versus anything more lopsided in Tiff's favor. 

Confusion works in their favor, and 7-2 or 6-3 is too easy for Frank to figure out: that's Frank, Natalie (not wanting to vote off her friend/ally), and in the 6-3 one other - most likely Paulie, Corey or maybe James with Natalie - against the rest of the House. 

If Frank goes into the comp with a clear head AND a clear message he's on the bottom of the House, he's more likely to keep focus and beast out a win.  Whereas 5-4 leaves a lot more gray area to keep him guessing - and messing with his head during a memory-based comp in the process.

[sunsheyen]

16 minutes ago, Umbelina said:

Is it wrong that I kind of want Bridgette gone more than Frank?

I wouldn't mind a paranoid and weakened Frank staying in the game for another week.

I don't want Frank poisoning the jury pool, you know he'd control Bridgette's vote.

[Nashville]

14 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

I don't think they do actually. Nicole doesn't. Corey I'm unsure of.

Um ...

Keep your hand on those balloons, Bride.  No wanna see no Frankenweenie.

[peachmangosteen]

Those are good points @Nashville, but keeping this from Day/James is not a smart plan. I guess what they could do is all get together and decide who will vote what way so they can keep the votes 5-4 to throw Frank. But these people don't trust each other nearly enough for that to happen.

Edited July 14, 2016 by peachmangosteen

[SiobhanJW]

Nicole played scared last time. She needs to just man up and play the game, she's at the bottom of Frank's list if they flip. So stop freaking out. They need to lock them up in the HOH room so she can stop talking about this. 

They can make the vote 2- Paul, 4- Bronte- 3- Tiffany. If they really want to throw the house into Chaos. 

Edited July 14, 2016 by SiobhanJW

[Umbelina]

They can keep the vote weird and still clue in James and Day though.  This better not flip again!

[peachmangosteen]

3 minutes ago, SiobhanJW said:

They can make the vote 2- Paul, 4- Bronte- 3- Tiffany. If they really want to throw the house into Chaos. 

This would be so awesome, but again I don't think there's enough trust there for any of them to be comfortable doing that.

Edited July 14, 2016 by peachmangosteen

[Nashville]

8 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

Those are good points, but keeping this from Day/James is not a smart plan. I guess what they could do is all get together and decide who will vote what way so they can keep the votes 5-4 to throw Frank. But these people don't trust each other nearly enough for that to happen.

That was what I meant by keeping it 5-4 "regardless of who-all is in on the Plan". 

You make a good point regarding everybody's incipient paranoia, but I wonder....  If everybody has "assigned votes", then the simple lack of ambiguity (also read that as "being relieved of the burden of additional thought") might not stabilize everyone to the point they ACTUALLY OMIGOD STICK WITH A FREAKIN' PLAN.

Edited July 14, 2016 by Nashville
That shit deserves boldface, dammit.

[peachmangosteen]

4 minutes ago, Nashville said:

You make a good point regarding everybody's incipient paranoia, but I wonder....  If everybody has "assigned votes", then the simple lack of ambiguity (also read that as "being relieved of the burden of additional thought") might not stabilize everyone to the point they ACTUALLY OMIGOD STICK WITH A FREAKIN' PLAN.

lmao! That is true, but I just can't see this group being able to do it. They would maybe decide to do it but then an hour later Nicole would be like, "I don't wanna doooooooo ittttttttt! I just don't wanna get blamedddddddddd!" Or Day would just get too paranoid. Those two could just not do it imo. 

Edited July 14, 2016 by peachmangosteen

[Deputy Deputy CoS]

So why are they keeping Paul again?

[peachmangosteen]

1 minute ago, Deputy Deputy CoS said:

So why are they keeping Paul again?

Because his social game is top notch and they all love him.

[mooses]

1 minute ago, Deputy Deputy CoS said:

So why are they keeping Paul again?

Basically they like him, they're convinced he'll do whatever they say, and they believe everything he tells them.

Only James has mentioned that he'll go far if he stays.

[Umbelina]

2 minutes ago, Deputy Deputy CoS said:

So why are they keeping Paul again?

Everyone likes him.  He's really playing very well.  He's also very anti-Frank and needs a home, so  picking him up and putting him in their back pocket is smart.

Edited July 14, 2016 by Umbelina

[mooses]

I think Nicole/Z just talked about telling Da'Vonne  and not having Paulie be the one who tells her. I'm guessing after lockdown since they're preparing for that now. 

If they tell Da'Vonne, Da'Vonne will tell James.

Time for a flip?