S06.E01: The Red Woman

[FemmyV]

Yay! Site back!

I can say this: I enjoyed S6E1 the first watch, fell asleep twice on later viewing.

Wall: What do they think they're going to do with Jon's body, if not burn it? The whole set up, that they are barricaded in a room with the body makes no sense. Have Davos, et al, given any indication they think there is another course? His knowledge of what the Red Woman can do, afaik, does not extend to reanimating the dead. He doesn't know that she has friends who can. Clumsy plot device for showing us who is on team Jon and who's not, and what battle for the body comes. That said, Yay Davos! Yay Edd! Yay Ghost!

ETA: wave if you liked the Rorschach test of Jon's blood in the snow.

Melisandre, poor thing. She believed in her Red God, and in his name, killed Renly, killed Shireen, with the by-products of Stannis and Selyse. No wonder she's depressed and disillusioned, right now. 

Thorne was great. I'm going to enjoy watching him die. Ollie, the little bastard, I fear will be given a second chance.

 

Winterfell: I don't care or need to see Ramsey humanized, thanks. Miranda was a sick shrew. Hallelujah, she's dead, hallelujah, Ramsey should suffer a loss. And yeah, watch out Walda. Roose lost all control of Ramsey when he gave him the Bolton name.

 

Sansa needing help with the knight's oath wasn't that big a deal. Her brain functions would have been seriously impaired by that point, from being immersed in cold water and carrying around a few gallons in her clothes, she and Theon both. But i was glad to see a handful of characters catch up to each other, and, best of all for Sansa: she now has the beginnings of her own army. Only two, but it is significant. It's also quite significant, I think, that one member of that army was previously pledged to her (I'm still not sure if her marriage to Ramsey was legal) husband.

Dorne: Oh jebus, what was that?

Jamie/Cersei: Oh, jebus, why was that?

All I can think of that might make sense of it, is if Jamie goes off to Dorne with Lannister armies, leaving KL vulnerable to ice zombies and dragons and such.

Marge: she's there. Now what?

 

Mereen: would have enjoyed seeing Tyrion do something but at least it was short.

 

Dorthrak: Not bad, not great, but intriguing. I'm actually looking forward to seeing Dany operate on her own again, and seeing what she's going to pull out of her ass, this time.

Oh, and isn't it a shame that Stannis' whole family was killed before they could tell us how they stopped Shireen from turning to Stone Man /Stone child.

Edited April 28, 2016 by FemmyV

[Eyes High]

23 hours ago, qtpye said:

I just got this from a yahoo article on what is wrong with Dorne.

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The Sand Snakes are a joke.  We first meet them and one of course does a strip tease and talks about how beautiful her body is.  They have cast three women who can barely hold up their weapons, yet are the most lethal killing force in Dorne?  I do not even want to get into the bad pussy line

They seem only to exist to counter the sexism and misogyny on the show, but are nothing but cartoon versions of true female warriors.

Compare to Michonne on Walking Dead.  Michonne is a bad ass female warrior.  However, she is attractive and feminine and does not have to resort to taking off her clothes for male attention.

I just can hardly believe that in 2016 these writer's are so clueless about how to portray women.  I think the awesome female characters we do have on the show are owed more to GRRM, then to the show runners.

To be fair, Tyene is the only one who took off her clothes, and the other two made it clear that they thought Tyene was being ridiculous.

Also, I don't see anything wrong with Jessica Henwick's build for her weapon: you don't need to be super built to wield a bullwhip effectively. Michelle Pfeiffer in Batman Returns was able to do stunts with a whip (including that great stunt where she struck the head off a mannequin with her whip) despite not having a particularly built upper body. Ditto for Obara's actress--for all we know, the spear is of a light weight--and Tyene's actress, who only has to handle the daggers.

I agree that it's a problem in action/adventure shows and movies where rail-thin, tiny girls with no visible muscle tone are cast to play superstrong fighter characters who can take down baddies played by MMA fighters with nothing but their bare hands, but I don't see anything wrong with the Sand Snakes' body types. This isn't a River Tam situation. 

Edited April 28, 2016 by Eyes High

[SeanC]

Yeah, in terms of physical presence, none of the actresses strike me as problematic.  In the case of Nym, the bigger problem is that fighting only with a whip is utterly ridiculous -- we're expected to think that Trystane is screwed going up against her, but he's like two feet away (if that) with a sword, and all she has is a coiled bullwhip?  She should be glad Obara decided to be a greedy bitch, because realistically she would have been doomed.

I don't have any cause to think the actresses are the problem with the Sand Snakes.  They're cartoonish, definitely, but they're written and directed that way, and the veteran and talented Indira Varma is no less cartoonish as Ellaria.

[GrailKing]

On 4/26/2016 at 9:31 PM, WatchrTina said:

I'm sure we won't see it but I'd love to see a conversation in which Sansa asks Podrick what happened to Tyrion after the Purple Wedding.  Sansa didn't hate Tyrion and it would be natural for her to ask his former squire about his status.  I'd like to hear Podrick's response.  Or did he leave Kings Landing before the Purple Wedding?

What I like to see: knowing that Tyrion was basically investigating LF's books and in the books he and Cersei were talking also in show by the way what if Cersei also let Tyrion know it was LF who betrayed Ned and with Pod as his squire he mentioned it and that could be a way for Sansa to get that info.

The timeline may be off though.

6 hours ago, FemmyV said:

Yay! Site back!

I can say this: I enjoyed S6E1 the first watch, fell asleep twice on later viewing.

Wall: What do they think they're going to do with Jon's body, if not burn it? The whole set up, that they are barricaded in a room with the body makes no sense. Have Davos, et al, given any indication they think there is another course? His knowledge of what the Red Woman can do, afaik, does not extend to reanimating the dead. He doesn't know that she has friends who can. Clumsy plot device for showing us who is on team Jon and who's not, and what battle for the body comes. That said, Yay Davos! Yay Edd! Yay Ghost!

ETA: wave if you liked the Rorschach test of Jon's blood in the snow.

Melisandre, poor thing. She believed in her Red God, and in his name, killed Renly, killed Shireen, with the by-products of Stannis and Selyse. No wonder she's depressed and disillusioned, right now. 

Thorne was great. I'm going to enjoy watching him die. Ollie, the little bastard, I fear will be given a second chance.

 

Winterfell: I don't care or need to see Ramsey humanized, thanks. Miranda was a sick shrew. Hallelujah, she's dead, hallelujah, Ramsey should suffer a loss. And yeah, watch out Walda. Roose lost all control of Ramsey when he gave him the Bolton name.

 

Sansa needing help with the knight's oath wasn't that big a deal. Her brain functions would have been seriously impaired by that point, from being immersed in cold water and carrying around a few gallons in her clothes, she and Theon both. But i was glad to see a handful of characters catch up to each other, and, best of all for Sansa: she now has the beginnings of her own army. Only two, but it is significant. It's also quite significant, I think, that one member of that army was previously pledged to her (I'm still not sure if her marriage to Ramsey was legal) husband.

Dorne: Oh jebus, what was that?

Jamie/Cersei: Oh, jebus, why was that?

All I can think of that might make sense of it, is if Jamie goes off to Dorne with Lannister armies, leaving KL vulnerable to ice zombies and dragons and such.

Marge: she's there. Now what?

 

Mereen: would have enjoyed seeing Tyrion do something but at least it was short.

 

Dorthrak: Not bad, not great, but intriguing. I'm actually looking forward to seeing Dany operate on her own again, and seeing what she's going to pull out of her ass, this time.

Oh, and isn't it a shame that Stannis' whole family was killed before they could tell us how they stopped Shireen from turning to Stone Man /Stone child.

The Blood of the Dragon.

[stillshimpy]

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 I don't remember Myrcella being in King's Landing at all, when Joffrey promised to serve Sansa Robb's head on a platter. I think she was shipped off to Dorne earlier in the season. I know that she was around during Ned's execution, but she was younger than Sansa, and the implications of the whole thing probably went right over her head. Some people thought that Myrcella was unfeeling for asking Sansa about her wedding dress, but Myrcella had no idea that Sansa no longer wanted to marry Joffrey. Sansa hid that from the Lannisters.

 

I went and looked for it and it's actually not about serving Robb's head and it's Cersei essentially taunting Sansa.  Myrcella is just enthusiastic about her dress.  Tommen wonders if Joffrey will kill Robb and Cersei asks if he would like that.  

Cersei looked on, quite pleased, Myrcella wasn't quite as enthusiastic about the whole thing but it was Tommen who actually squirmed.  But she actually was being all "oh my wonderful dress" in front of Sansa and ....they've killed Sansa's father, so yeah...I don't know.  Show Myrcella didn't really strike me as sweet in that scene.  

Myrcella's supposed to be older and at best she's being kind of tone death to the whole "bet you're thrilled to be marrying my brother, let me talk about my pretty dress" given all the damned circumstances.   

The "serve her Robb's head" was actually when Sansa was being forced to marry Tyrion and didn't involve Myrcella at all.  So many horrible things happen ot Sansa at the hands of Lannisters, they all just sort of run together.  Myrcella's better than Cersei or Joffrey, so there's that...?  

I grabbed the clip from Youtube:  It's in the first clip.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4TrMopM7aQ

 

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Yeah, in terms of physical presence, none of the actresses strike me as problematic.  In the case of Nym, the bigger problem is that fighting only with a whip is utterly ridiculous -- we're expected to think that Trystane is screwed going up against her, but he's like two feet away (if that) with a sword, and all she has is a coiled bullwhip?  She should be glad Obara decided to be a greedy bitch, because realistically she would have been doomed.

 

For me the biggest problem with the Sandsnakes is that they are empty characterizations.  Very cardboard cutout, Vengeance Barbie now with Ass-Kicking capabilities and that's all they are.  Overdone accents, exploitation of sexuality and then they're willing to slaughter their father's family members....while claiming it is because they are so outraged that their family members were slaughtered.   That's not necessarily going to be a "What with the who now??" type of motivation, but they're like the Gold Cloaks in terms of having any depth of characterization, yet they are supposed to have these DEEPLY personal motivations.  

It would help quite a bit if they felt like people rather than Dangerous Beauty Barbie: Now with deadly tinctures. 

Edited April 28, 2016 by stillshimpy

[qtpye]

5 hours ago, Eyes High said:

To be fair, Tyene is the only one who took off her clothes, and the other two made it clear that they thought Tyene was being ridiculous.

Also, I don't see anything wrong with Jessica Henwick's build for her weapon: you don't need to be super built to wield a bullwhip effectively. Michelle Pfeiffer in Batman Returns was able to do stunts with a whip (including that great stunt where she struck the head off a mannequin with her whip) despite not having a particularly built upper body. Ditto for Obara's actress--for all we know, the spear is of a light weight--and Tyene's actress, who only has to handle the daggers.

I agree that it's a problem in action/adventure shows and movies where rail-thin, tiny girls with no visible muscle tone are cast to play superstrong fighter characters who can take down baddies played by MMA fighters with nothing but their bare hands, but I don't see anything wrong with the Sand Snakes' body types. This isn't a River Tam situation. 

 

I actually do not have a problem with the actresses being petite.  I am fairly petite myself.  It is the way they handle the weapons so clumsily that makes it difficult to take them seriously as bad ass warriors and they have no sense of strategy or purpose.  As someone said up thread, you do not go against a sword with a whip.  

Michelle Pheiffer trained so she knew what she was doing to some degree for the role.

 

 

2 hours ago, stillshimpy said:

 

I went and looked for it and it's actually not about serving Robb's head and it's Cersei essentially taunting Sansa.  Myrcella is just enthusiastic about her dress.  Tommen wonders if Joffrey will kill Robb and Cersei asks if he would like that.  

Cersei looked on, quite pleased, Myrcella wasn't quite as enthusiastic about the whole thing but it was Tommen who actually squirmed.  But she actually was being all "oh my wonderful dress" in front of Sansa and ....they've killed Sansa's father, so yeah...I don't know.  Show Myrcella didn't really strike me as sweet in that scene.  

Myrcella's supposed to be older and at best she's being kind of tone death to the whole "bet you're thrilled to be marrying my brother, let me talk about my pretty dress" given all the damned circumstances.   

The "serve her Robb's head" was actually when Sansa was being forced to marry Tyrion and didn't involve Myrcella at all.  So many horrible things happen ot Sansa at the hands of Lannisters, they all just sort of run together.  Myrcella's better than Cersei or Joffrey, so there's that...?  

I grabbed the clip from Youtube:  It's in the first clip.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4TrMopM7aQ

 

 

For me the biggest problem with the Sandsnakes is that they are empty characterizations.  Very cardboard cutout, Vengeance Barbie now with Ass-Kicking capabilities and that's all they are.  Overdone accents, exploitation of sexuality and then they're willing to slaughter their father's family members....while claiming it is because they are so outraged that their family members were slaughtered.   That's not necessarily going to be a "What with the who now??" type of motivation, but they're like the Gold Cloaks in terms of having any depth of characterization, yet they are supposed to have these DEEPLY personal motivations.  

It would help quite a bit if they felt like people rather than Dangerous Beauty Barbie: Now with deadly tinctures. 

I agree with both these sentiments. 

Myrcella was not enough of a character for us to care about her death and she never came off as particularly good or sweet, unlike her brother Tommen.

Of course Cersei said Myrcella was sweet when compared to Cersei...so the fact that she was not ordering servant girls to be brutally beaten because they fold her clothes wrong, probably made her a saint in her mother's eyes.

The Sand Snakes have been total failures and I wish they had been the ones assassinated instead of Prince Duran.  That would be a nice twist and would have showed how shrewd the character could be.

[Sunnydayman]

On April 25, 2016 at 4:49 PM, ChromaKelly said:

Ooh! Just thought of something. Sansa is from The North, where they don't have knights, so maybe she doesn't know it from in-person observance.

OK, and to an earlier point, I totally forgot about Sansa running into Brienne and Pod at the inn.

Sansa is a wannabe Southerner who had her own Septa.  I would think that since she idolized Southern court life that she would know the words.

[BruceAE]

I kind of hope they are simply burning through what is left of the Dorne storyline as fast as they can, given they somehow chose three actresses with zero charisma as the Sand Snakes and then proceeded to feed them scripts that must have been written by the intern.

My main problem with S6e1 was that in at least two situations - Nights Watch in a room, Sand Snakes in Dorne - the motivations and actions involved made very little sense.  Why hide Jon's body in the room, and become a target for the rest of the NW brothers?  (Although once in the situation, Ser Davos proved he is even more awesome without Stannis around).  And Dorne - 'We're killing our own familty to avenenge our family!' - WTF?

The good: Tyrion and Varys.  Sansa and Brienne.  IMHO the writing, directing and acting came together in these scenes.

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Assuming there are only a couple of seasons left, and DnD don't crap the bed totally like those behind True Blood did, I'll be watching until the bitter end.

[Chris24601]

Davos and the Jon loyalists aren't locked in the room to protect Jon's corpse. They pulled his body inside without much thinking about it, then realized Thorne and others had murdered Jon and that anyone loyal to Jon was probably next on the chopping block (which is why they went and got Ghost too). They sent Edd to get the Wildlings and then locked themselves in the room because its a defensible location to wait in (i.e. only one way in means they can't be stabbed  in the back).

Jon's body still being in the room was completely incidental to why Jon's supporters decided to stay in the room.

[Eyes High]

I missed mentioning this earlier, but Ramsay's "terrifying" hounds were adorable.

Davos and the Jon loyalists aren't locked in the room to protect Jon's corpse.

I agree. I think they reflexively acted to help Jon and then only later realized that they were in deep trouble.

Edited April 29, 2016 by Eyes High

[GrailKing]

3 hours ago, Eyes High said:

I missed mentioning this earlier, but Ramsay's "terrifying" hounds were adorable.

 

 

I agree. I think they reflexively acted to help Jon and then only later realized that they were in deep trouble.

Actually his terrible dogs are at WF I think their rotwilers? remember Tansy.

[GrailKing]

speaking of dogs:

[Hecate7]

On 4/28/2016 at 5:34 PM, stillshimpy said:

 

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I went and looked for it and it's actually not about serving Robb's head and it's Cersei essentially taunting Sansa.  Myrcella is just enthusiastic about her dress.  Tommen wonders if Joffrey will kill Robb and Cersei asks if he would like that.  

Cersei looked on, quite pleased, Myrcella wasn't quite as enthusiastic about the whole thing but it was Tommen who actually squirmed.  But she actually was being all "oh my wonderful dress" in front of Sansa and ....they've killed Sansa's father, so yeah...I don't know.  Show Myrcella didn't really strike me as sweet in that scene.

 

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Myrcella's supposed to be older and at best she's being kind of tone death to the whole "bet you're thrilled to be marrying my brother, let me talk about my pretty dress" given all the damned circumstances.   

 

Myrcella's not older. What made you think that? She's younger than Sansa. Give the girl a break. Myrcella's father is also dead, btw, and she's still expected to be excited and happy about Joffrey's upcoming wedding. She is a child, and believes this is normal because her mother says so. Also, she IS excited about having Sansa in the family, because she likes Sansa. She believes Sansa is still in love with Joffrey because SANSA INSISTS THAT SHE IS. Myrcella is a child. She honestly thinks that Sansa will be cheered up by thinking about the wedding, and the pretty clothes. It's probably all Sansa talked about when they met. As for "they," by which I assume you mean the Lannisters, killing Ned, "they" didn't. Only Joffrey did. Not even Cersei wanted to kill Ned--she had hoped to send him to the Wall.

I don't think it's fair to even consider Tommen or Myrcella as culpable in any way here--they weren't involved in any court intrigues and they didn't get a vote. It would be like blaming Bran or Rickon for letting the Wildlings through the wall.

[Alayne Stone]

I always took that dinner scene with Myrcella to simply suggest that she was largely just ignorant to what Sansa might have been feeling, as well as to the events at large. I would imagine she would know that Sansa is a hostage, but a presumably well treated one (again, ignorant of the fact that Joffrey orders his guards to beat her) ... she is having dinner with the royal family after all. She would obviously know the circumstances of Sansa's brother still rebelling against the Lannisters and that it might eventually lead to his death, but she wouldn't necessarily have details. So I don't see her as being particularly spiteful in that scene. If anything, it was just a child trying to circumvent the awkward situation in as best a way she knew how: i.e. "let's talk about something silly and inconsequential like a dress!"

The problem with the Sand Snakes has always been their writing. Both Obara and Nym fit the looks (Nym actually being my favorite casting) and Tyene's casting, different as it is from her book counter part, could have been forgiven if not for the clunky, comic writing. I also blame their fight scenes on the choreography because, frankly, Jerome Flynn looked just as awkward in those scenes as they did. It was all just very hamfisted. But mostly it is characterization that they suffer from. The Sand Snakes in the book all desired vengeance for their father and war with the Lannisters but had very different ways of wanting to bring that about. In the show, their motivations are interchangeable and thus there is no conflict amongst them whatsoever (at least as far as motivations go). They are all of one mind and now that in the show their only opposition has been eliminated ... there is literally 0 conflict to motivate the plot.

The question begs: where do they go from here? Do they mount an attack against the Crown? Good luck with that, the Dornish strength has always been in their guirella warfare and utilization of their unique terrain against invading forces. They also have no allies. They have no reason to believe the Tyrells and Lannisters might be at odds with one another. Vale forces are too far and isolated to negotiate an alliance. The Stormlands have always been at odds with them because of border wars and even if they could negotiate an alliance, who would they do it with? All Baratheons are dead now. And there is no plot at present to reach out to Targaryen loyalists/Dany's forces because that plot was eliminated in the show. Dorne is on its own.

So I have no idea what they intend to do with Dorne at this point, but my wish would just be that Dorne disappears into the same black hole Gendry rowed off in and we never hear from them again.

Edited April 30, 2016 by Alayne Stone

[Eyes High]

I saw Myrcella in that scene as bubbleheaded but well-meaning, which was my sense of her in Season 5 as well. She probably blithely assumed that Sansa, who was genuinely enamoured of Joffrey at one point and professed to feel the same way about him, would be thrilled about marrying Joffrey. That makes her stupid, maybe, in light of the circumstances, but not malicious or cruel. Book Myrcella was supposed to be clever, but it makes sense that TV Myrcella is just as much of a dim bulb as her siblings.

[Alayne Stone]

Show Myrcella, especially season 5 Myrcella, definitely seems bubbleheaded. I'm probably projecting my book view of Myrcella onto show Myrcella (especially where season 2 is concerned where the characterizations on a whole were a lot closer to their book counterparts) who was said by Ser Arys to be "undaunted by anything, even Joffrey." And again I imagine that the more horrific details concerning the rebellion and Joffrey's treatment of people in general would have been kept from her.

[Oscirus]

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To be fair, Tyene is the only one who took off her clothes, and the other two made it clear that they thought Tyene was being ridiculous.

I think Tyene is the only one even being a dornish woman. In season 4, Oberon tried to fuck the whole whore house and from what we've heard on this show, Dorne is supposed to be a very promiscuous place. Yet other then Tyene, everybody else is buttoned down. I'll give Ellaria, because we saw her in action in season 4 and she's clearly warped by revenge but what's everybody else's problem?

Another thing that bothered me that's not really talked about is Trystanne's reaction to the Snakes, he has to know that these are the women responsible for the death of his beloved, yet there's not even a hint of anger towards them. I get  that he was scared, but I still want to see some anger from him.

I don't think Myrcella bubbleheaded as much as she's ignorant due to being protected from evil by Cersei. Probably even moreso then her brothers since Cersei knew what she'd eventually have to go through.

I was fine with Pod helping Sansa with the oath since I saw it as a nudge then he stepped back and let her fight her way through the rest of it.

Watching Tyrion make his way through the streets was interesting since that was the first time in this series that we saw a leader do something like that ( well, technically Joffrey too but that was more on Margery).

If Cersei wasn't around, Margery would've been such a good queen :(.

I read an article about an easter egg in the show where it was confirmed that by killing Trant there that Arya basically closed down that whore house. I don't know why that's so funny to me but it is.

[stillshimpy]

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Myrcella's not older. What made you think that? She's younger than Sansa.

 

Older than Tommen.  As I was talking about Tommen and Myrcella and their relative "sweetness" , I meant that she is older than Tommen, yet Tommen has the more sensitive reaction. 

 

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I don't think it's fair to even consider Tommen or Myrcella as culpable in any way here--they weren't involved in any court intrigues and they didn't get a vote.

 

Only very young children aren't held responsible for their behavior towards others.   What we were talking about was whether or not Myrcella was, as Cersei asserts "sweet" , not whether they were to blame for court intrigue. 

I always took that dinner scene with Myrcella to simply suggest that she was largely just ignorant to what Sansa might have been feeling, as well as to the events at large. I would imagine she would know that Sansa is a hostage, but a presumably well treated one (again, ignorant of the fact that Joffrey orders his guards to beat her) -- Alayne Stone

There a couple of things in the books and the series that suggest the Tommen had been tormented by Joffrey, particularly when it came to his cat, so I don't think that they were ignorant of Joffrey's nastiness.  I just think that Myrcella didn't display any natural empathy in that moment and Tommen did.  Again, Tommen being younger, it is at least a little remarkable.  Again, the only reason the subject even came up was wondering whether or not we'd seen any evidence of Myrcella being so sweet that Cersei would marvel at it and think her so much sweeter than Tommen, who has been shown both in the books and the series to be a really sweet kid.  

Book Myrcella seems to be very sweet, based on the Dorne material.   Largely I think it's just down to Cersei thinking her dead child was remarkable and admirable in ways that , in the series at least, are just down to the sort of beatification that grief sometimes bestows.  

Edited May 1, 2016 by stillshimpy

[Hecate7]

On 4/30/2016 at 1:51 PM, Eyes High said:

I saw Myrcella in that scene as bubbleheaded but well-meaning, which was my sense of her in Season 5 as well. She probably blithely assumed that Sansa, who was genuinely enamoured of Joffrey at one point and professed to feel the same way about him, would be thrilled about marrying Joffrey. That makes her stupid, maybe, in light of the circumstances, but not malicious or cruel. Book Myrcella was supposed to be clever, but it makes sense that TV Myrcella is just as much of a dim bulb as her siblings.

I don't think she's stupid here. She is Arya's age, and I think the real problem isn't that she's dim or lacking in empathy, but that she is so excited to finally have a sister, and for that sister to be a girly girl like herself, who loves dresses and songs and needlework, that's got to be hands down the best thing that's ever happened to Myrcella. Myrcella isn't thinking of Sansa as a hostage here. She's thinking of her as her soon-to-be sister, which is probably all that's on her mind when she brings up the wedding. Us besties are going to wear amazing dresses together on your wedding day...cheer up! As for Myrcella's big brother being a monster, at her age, she probably assumes all big brothers are just like hers, so she's probably sure Sansa can't wait to leave the Stark family and take her place among the royals.

Both girls are mourning their fathers. I assume all the "sorry about your Dad, my condolences," on the part of both girls, already happened off-camera. 

Edited May 5, 2016 by Hecate7

[lmsweb]

Just going to throw this in there :)

Edited May 4, 2016 by lmsweb

[Hecate7]

On 4/30/2016 at 1:51 PM, Eyes High said:

I saw Myrcella in that scene as bubbleheaded but well-meaning, which was my sense of her in Season 5 as well. She probably blithely assumed that Sansa, who was genuinely enamoured of Joffrey at one point and professed to feel the same way about him, would be thrilled about marrying Joffrey. That makes her stupid, maybe, in light of the circumstances, but not malicious or cruel. Book Myrcella was supposed to be clever, but it makes sense that TV Myrcella is just as much of a dim bulb as her siblings.

Since Myrcella hasn't watched the show or been in any of the scenes of Joffrey tormenting Sansa at that point, she can probably be forgiven for thinking Sansa is telling the truth, particularly since she is closer to Arya's age than Sansa's. She's clever for a little girl her age. She's older than Tommen, but Tommen is younger than Bran.

Speaking of Bran, that is our main clue that Myrcella is sweet. She is anxious about Bran and really glad he isn't dead. She barely knows the boy, but she wants him to recover. She's nothing like her mother. She's the sister Sansa would have wished for herself in a fairy tale: she's sweet, she's pretty, she admires Sansa, and she has perfect manners. Another clue that Myrcella is nice is that Tommen bawls his eyes out when Myrcella has to leave. Our page at HBO told us Tommen was fond of his uncle Tyrion, but he never cried like that when Tyrion had to leave. Myrcella both on the page and in the show is very kind to Tommen, unlike Joffrey and Cersei. She has "none of her mother's nature," so she's very good and sweet.

[John Potts]

Alliser Thorne - well, at least you can admire him for standing up for his beliefs.

Aww, poor Ramsay. Girlfriend gone, daddy disapointed... at least he believes in green body disposal. So there's that.

"We won't be sailing for Westeros any time soon" Oh, FFS... that's the aspect of the books you wanted to be faithful to?

I guess Jorah really is as good as Aragorn!

Could have done without the "What have the Dothraki ever done for us?" scene

Did Sansa really need Theon to prompt her to go through the river (I reckon he was right about dying of hypothermia over the dogs). And couldn't she have picked up a sword after Brienne killed a couple of the soldiers? I wouldn't expect her to be any good with it, but the Bolton soldiers are going to be very reluctant to hurt Ramsay's wife.

On ‎25‎/‎04‎/‎2016 at 3:02 AM, SeanC said:

What a waste of what initially looked like a dream casting in Alexander Siddig.

"Hey Siddig - we want you to be Prince of Dorne in Game of Thrones!"

"Cool! I must get a lot of exciting action."

"Not so much.."

"Oh, so I'm more of a schemer then?"

"Well..."

"Do I at least get a cool death?"

"Errr…"

On ‎25‎/‎04‎/‎2016 at 4:50 AM, benteen said:

I kept expecting Bronn to show up and kill the Sand Snakes.

But we've been told he loves the bad... young ladies!

On ‎25‎/‎04‎/‎2016 at 6:20 PM, stillshimpy said:

When the Show was concentrating so much on Ghost's reaction and his reaction was heartbreak vs.  "I'm gonna kill all y'all, fuckers!"  I sincerely thought for a moment that the show was going to introduce the "Jon's a Warg too!" stuff this season.

At least Edd & co realised that Ghost was a valuable addition to their ranks (and why am I not surprised stillshimpy pays attention to how the dog (well, direwolf) was reacting!).

On ‎25‎/‎04‎/‎2016 at 3:20 AM, magdalene said:

I wonder how some of those teen boys jerking off to Melisandre's boobs feel now.

Well, it's a long time since I was a teen (actually, I'm about Carice's age), but I can repress with the best of them!