S10.E02: Founder's Mutation

[AntiBeeSpray]

The episode didn't reflect well on gay men -- within one minute of meeting, the gay guy's trying to blow Mulder in the bathroom.   I have no idea how close to reality the scene was, but it seems to play right into homophobic stereotypes.    It felt like a cheap laugh at the expense of the gay community.

 

For me, the episode never truly caught fire.   It felt like a sampler of previous episodes -- even the nun looked like Eve 6, from another episode in which mutant kids were kept locked behind doors.

 

I like that Mulder and Scully are scarred by life.   The world is different today than during the golden days of the series.   We're all older.   We've been through war and recession, we live under the constant threat of terrorism, you can't even go to the mall or the movies anymore without a "what-if" involving a gunman crossing your mind.    I don't know about anyone else, but life is a lot harder for me today than it was back then.  And the future?   We've got monster storms, record-breaking heat and cold ... ISIS ... Donald Trump on the rise, along with Ted Cruz,  Sarah Palin ...  I feel like we've lost something these last fifteen years, and whatever it is -- hope, maybe? -- I see that loss and regret in Mulder's and Scully's faces.  I hear the fatigue in their voices.   It all rings true -- and familiar.

 

William was adopted by a salt-of-the-earth, childless Christian couple.

 

Exactly. Not to mention it was unnecessary. 

 

Eve 6... I thought that at first, but it's the actress who played Delores from "Dead Like Me" and not the actress who played Eve 6.

 

This episode just felt like a run of the mill procedural show to me and the X Files. IWTB felt more like the show I knew and loved. 

The kids aren't twins. Molly was two when Kyle was sliced out of his mother's abdomen after her car crash. Which came as a direct result of realizing her husband, Goldman, had experimented on their daughter.

And while rewatching last night, I realized something. That photograph of baby William isn't one they both have. Scully gave Mulder hers, if you look close its the exact same photograph, with the exact same wear spots and bent corners. Scully realized that while Mulder said he has put it behind him, he also said he thinks about William all the time. He needed a picture because he probably didn't have one. She gave hers to him. YOU KNOW, SCULLY, IF YOU'D JUST MOVE BACK IN YOU COULD FRAME THE PICTURE AND SHARE IT.

Where does Scully live anyway? We haven't seen that yet.

 

An invisible apartment. :p

[sharinlilbit]

 

it's the actress who played Delores from "Dead Like Me" and not the actress who played Eve 6.

 

She was previously Karen Kosseff from Irresistible and Elegy.  

[archer1267]

I'd just like to add that Mulder meeting a guy at a bar called "The Corner Pocket" and not realizing it was a gay bar until he was nearly fellated was about the best scene I've ever seen played out on this show.

 

 

 

I'm wondering if I missed something because how was the scientist's double life relevant to the overall plot? Yes, the photos in his secret second apartment tipped off the Dynamic Duo to something sinister going on...but was it necessary to include the "he was in the closet" thing? That bar scene seemed contrived just to be edgy and took me out of the story. 

 

I'm not a mom, but almost cried over Scully's "a mother never forgets" and their different reminiscences over William.

[Tardislass]

Tidbit from Episode 2: Actress playing Dr. Goldman's wife accidentally nailed GA with the apple during filming . Twice.

ETA link here: https://www.facebook.com/gilliananderson/posts/776984269112013

Edited January 27, 2016 by Tardislass

[baileythedog]

I'm wondering if I missed something because how was the scientist's double life relevant to the overall plot? Yes, the photos in his secret second apartment tipped off the Dynamic Duo to something sinister going on...but was it necessary to include the "he was in the closet" thing? That bar scene seemed contrived just to be edgy and took me out of the story. 

 

I thought it actually served the plot and overall themes significantly. 

 

For the scientist himself, it was a demonstration of the paranoia and secrecy that the projects he was working on entailed. As Scully said (somewhat inarticulately) but the fact that it's 2016 and he felt the need to hide was disturbing. Then again, his "children" were also disturbing and being  hidden along with the reclusive founder. 

 

The confusion in the dialog and the scenario also pointed out a few things about Mulder: first that he was terrible at reading a scene or that he assumes everyone that is secretive is secretive for the same reason he is. Also shows that he's been out of circulation awhile. More importantly, what the guy said to Mulder about the truth being in his heart was true and Mulder could lie to Scully as much as he wanted about putting William behind him but clearly he had not and he's probably never told Scully that. 

[archer1267]

Thanks, Bailey, that makes a lot more sense now! 

[fastiller]

One other thing.  I had to go listen to JFK's moon speech because Mulder was doing a JFK impression during that scene with William.  I haven't heard anyone say 'decade' with that pronunciation since Mick Jagger in an SNL skit.  And yeah,  Mulder was definitely doing a JFK impression and not just the speech.

There's a band call Public Service Broadcasting with a new CD called Race for Space (they've essentially 'soundtracked' the space program in the 60s (US, USSR).  The first track from the album is all Kennedy's speech, with a choir added.

 

[egilsdottir]

 

Things I was reminded about by the recap:

 

What's with the ape theme? One of the Planet of the Apes movies was running at the hospital, and Mulder was watching 2001 with daydream-William. 

 

I think the show is trying to draw parallels between humans and apes. Humans share a common ancestor with some primates, but we took different evolutionary paths to end up where we are. I think the aliens (greys) are a dying race and they are trying to blend human and alien DNA to create an alien/human hybrid so their "race" can live on (in a slightly different form, but their DNA will still be around), and that's sort of what the show is hinting at with all of the Planet of the Apes references and imagery. It's clear that their attempts to combine alien and human DNA aren't working so far, as evidenced by the kids with the "genetic disorders".

 

Hope this was the right place to post this - it's just my theory. No idea if that's what the show is really trying to say.

 

As for the first couple of episodes, I'm not super impressed so far, but happy to have Scully and Mulder back on my screen. Hoping they decide to film more episodes in the future.

[millennium]

 

This episode just felt like a run of the mill procedural show to me and the X Files. IWTB felt more like the show I knew and loved. 

 

Is it soup yet?   I would have to say no.   There's connective tissue missing.   I realize the writers are operating under time constraints but sometimes it feels like entire scenes have been cut out.

 

For example, what induced Scully to leave her work at the hospital to rejoin the X-Files?   No explanation whatsoever.   One day she's helping disadvantaged kids, the next she's back in Skinner's office.  And not even a hint as to what led her there.   We can guess that she's worried about Mulder and feels she has to watch out for him ... but we shouldn't have to guess.   There's no nuance.   It feels rushed.  

 

The same goes for Tad O'Malley.  He makes this big splashy entrance with helicopters and limousines, vomits up a ton of exposition, and then, gone, eliciting barely a shrug from Mulder and Scully.

 

I'm thinking now that perhaps the six-part series should have focused on one case only, and told us what we need to know about where the characters are now through a well-written, carefully-paced plot rather than the bullet point presentation we're getting so far.

Edited January 27, 2016 by millennium

[baileythedog]

Is it soup yet?   I would have to say no.   There's connective tissue missing.   I realize the writers are operating under time constraints but sometimes it feels like entire scenes have been cut out.

 

For example, what induced Scully to leave her work at the hospital to rejoin the X-Files?   No explanation whatsoever.   One day she's helping disadvantaged kids, the next she's back in Skinner's office.  And not even a hint as to what led her there.   We can guess that she's worried about Mulder and feels she has to watch out for him ... but we shouldn't have to guess.   There's no nuance.   It feels rushed.  

 

The same goes for Tad O'Malley.  He makes this big splashy entrance with helicopters and limousines, vomits up a ton of exposition, and then, gone, eliciting barely a shrug from Mulder and Scully.

 

I'm thinking now that perhaps the six-part series should have focused on one case only, and told us what we need to know about where the characters are now through a well-written, carefully-paced plot rather than the bullet point presentation we're getting so far.

 

While I like the idea of one long case to work through the season, I think that would betray the ethos of what the X-Files has always been about: shifting narrative technique, tone, genre, etc.

 

I do feel, though, that Scully's impetus for dropping everything and re-joining was simply that she learned the results of her own sequenced DNA, knew that it matched what Sveta was telling her, and bought into the idea that the conspiracy was more military focused than not.  To her that makes her adversaries a more tangible target and that personal stake would be the only way she'd rejoin.  That first episode had a lot of work to do to get everything across, but certainly they did hit it.  And even though she may not see him again, William's very existence and how puzzling he came to be is still driving her.  

 

I also have the feeling that somehow every case we see this season is going to be more personal to both Mulder and Scully because otherwise there wouldn't be any reason for either to re-join the bureau.  (Although having said that, it could also limit the scope of the show and how long they would truly be involved.)

 

Given all of Mulder's years of doing nothing but internet searching, I have no doubt that they landed on the Founder's mutation case precisely because, at it's heart, it was tangentially about William. 

[millennium]

While I like the idea of one long case to work through the season, I think that would betray the ethos of what the X-Files has always been about: shifting narrative technique, tone, genre, etc.

 

I do feel, though, that Scully's impetus for dropping everything and re-joining was simply that she learned the results of her own sequenced DNA, knew that it matched what Sveta was telling her, and bought into the idea that the conspiracy was more military focused than not.  To her that makes her adversaries a more tangible target and that personal stake would be the only way she'd rejoin.  That first episode had a lot of work to do to get everything across, but certainly they did hit it.  And even though she may not see him again, William's very existence and how puzzling he came to be is still driving her.  

 

I also have the feeling that somehow every case we see this season is going to be more personal to both Mulder and Scully because otherwise there wouldn't be any reason for either to re-join the bureau.  (Although having said that, it could also limit the scope of the show and how long they would truly be involved.)

 

Given all of Mulder's years of doing nothing but internet searching, I have no doubt that they landed on the Founder's mutation case precisely because, at it's heart, it was tangentially about William. 

 

Nice post.   Thanks for taking the time to share your insight.   I hadn't considered the DNA test as Scully's motivation, but it makes sense.

[Sparkling Beth]

"Home" was one of the freakiest shows ever to me. I had nightmares about that one. This new episode didn't come close to the creep factor of Home.

I used to tape (on a VCR! yes, kiddies, grandma remembers it as if it were yesterday) the X-Files on Friday and watch it on Saturday, and after I watched Home, I had to stay up and watch Saturday Night Live just to clear out my brain so I wouldn't be too creeped out to go to bed.

[The Mighty Peanut]

 

it's the actress who played Delores from "Dead Like Me" and not the actress who played Eve 6.

 

THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE -- at HappyTime, where Mulder has been temping for the past 13 years.

 

I miss Dead Like Me.

[Bastet]

Tidbit from Episode 2: Actress playing Dr. Goldman's wife accidentally nailed GA with the apple during filming . Twice.

 

Well, that's definitely going on the blooper reel (like DD poking her in the breast with the TV antenna in the Home outtake).  Since I've been as excited about getting another gag reel as about getting more episodes, we're off to a good start.

[shimarella]

*Waves to fellow TWoPers*

 

I'm so glad this show is back albeit for a while! It just felt so comfortable to slip back in and watch Mulder and Scully work their way through a MoTW case like old times. I didn't expect the stuff about William to be so affecting but it was really what pulled the episode together for me. DD hit it out of the park for me in the dream sequence. Pretty sure I sat on the couch and said :"Awwwwwww" and squeezed my puppy for a while. I don't have any idea if they'll resolve that plotline or just tease us with it, but I was concerned that they were going to write William off or just forget about him, so this will work for me. I'm actually not very spoiled ( yet) so I'm just looking forward to spending time with this show again ( and yes, like many I would like to forget that most of post Season 6 just stopped making sense mytharc-wise). 

[baileythedog]

Well, that's definitely going on the blooper reel (like DD poking her in the breast with the TV antenna in the Home outtake).  Since I've been as excited about getting another gag reel as about getting more episodes, we're off to a good start.

 

The only footage I saw of this, unfortunately, had both cameras trained on the other actress in close up, so you don't actually see the apple being thrown and hitting Gillian, just the after-effects of her rolling around on the ground laughing.  (Unless there is some other angle on this that I didn't see.)  

[Tardislass]

The YouTube link has the outtake and it's wonderful to hear that distinctive laugh. I wish that we'd get to hear that laugh once this series but considering how depressed everyone is on this show I doubt it.

I agree with the other poster who said that the duos motivation is learning more about Scullys Alien DNA and the hybrid babies-which their son could be a part of.

[DaynaPhile]

I need good juicy gag reels like I need air. Even though it clearly hurt, it was freaking hilarious. She fell out of her chair and was on the floor for crying out loud!

[tpel]

Thinking of the kids Goldman was keeping in plexiglass boxes, some of them clearly had real, recognizable medical syndromes, more or less accurately portrayed. For instance, the doctor mentioned Proteus syndrome, which entails the overgrowth of certain body parts, and we saw a girl with enlarged legs. Crouzon syndrome results in a distinctively shaped skull, and the boy Scully talked to fits reasonably well with that -- though I think bulging eyes are more typical than an absent eye, My question is: were all the disorders real conditions that the scientists are trying to cure via alien DNA, or are some of them made up, perhaps the result of alien DNA? I know Goldman mentioned a couple of other names, besides the ones I noted above, but I didn't catch them. Anybody else catch them?

[Prevailing Wind]

 

It's clear that their attempts to combine alien and human DNA aren't working so far, as evidenced by the kids with the "genetic disorders".

Scully's working with genetic anomalies that mostly show up in Navajo kids.  Hmmm...Navajo lands are on the opposite end of NM from Roswell, but...

[millennium]

Thinking of the kids Goldman was keeping in plexiglass boxes, some of them clearly had real, recognizable medical syndromes, more or less accurately portrayed. For instance, the doctor mentioned Proteus syndrome, which entails the overgrowth of certain body parts, and we saw a girl with enlarged legs. Crouzon syndrome results in a distinctively shaped skull, and the boy Scully talked to fits reasonably well with that -- though I think bulging eyes are more typical than an absent eye, My question is: were all the disorders real conditions that the scientists are trying to cure via alien DNA, or are some of them made up, perhaps the result of alien DNA? I know Goldman mentioned a couple of other names, besides the ones I noted above, but I didn't catch them. Anybody else catch them?

 

The one with the big, flaccid face ... smh.

[baileythedog]

Scully's working with genetic anomalies that mostly show up in Navajo kids.  Hmmm...Navajo lands are on the opposite end of NM from Roswell, but...

Maybe Scully feels like she owes the great grandchildren of Albert Hosteen a favor....

[SnideAsides]

Speaking as a gay man, I honestly don't think I'd have been as offended with the pick-up scene if (1) it wasn't notable flirt and porn addict Fox Mulder playing dumb and (2) in an episode on Fox with Doug Savant as one of the main guest stars, it ended with Dead Gay Matt finally getting a gay kiss televised.

 

I'd definitely still be pissed with the "lifestyle preferences" line though, and I'm 90% sure the "why is this an issue?" thing was totally added in response to a request by Gillian Anderson.

[DaynaPhile]

But as a flirt and porn addict he's heterosexual. Would being into porn really make him knowledgable about how the gay bar scene works? i don't really want to get into this line of chatter, I'm just curious. If I was a flirt and into porn, would that make me knowledgable about the lesbian scene? Probably not.

[Tardislass]

Speaking as a gay man, I honestly don't think I'd have been as offended with the pick-up scene if (1) it wasn't notable flirt and porn addict Fox Mulder playing dumb and (2) in an episode on Fox with Doug Savant as one of the main guest stars, it ended with Dead Gay Matt finally getting a gay kiss televised.

 

I'd definitely still be pissed with the "lifestyle preferences" line though, and I'm 90% sure the "why is this an issue?" thing was totally added in response to a request by Gillian Anderson.

 Not that I'm excusing that line, but I don't see Mulder watching a lot of gay porn..or any. Secondly, it took me two takes to make the connection that it was a gay bar, since there were women present.

But maybe this is a topic for another thread?

[madam magpie]

I'm not a mom, but almost cried over Scully's "a mother never forgets" and their different reminiscences over William.

Me too! Also when Mulder said, "You've never been just anything to me, Scully."

This show has always confused the hell out of me, and 62.83% of the time, I have no idea what's going on. But I'm enjoying this reboot a lot.

[tpel]

The one with the big, flaccid face ... smh.

 

 

I think neurofibromatosis can sometimes present like that. I saw a TLC show about a chinese man, whom this image reminded me of.

If the idea is that the scientists are experimenting to try to help kids with real, human genetic disorders, then I guess it makes sense that they would pick some of the most dramatic and intractable ones. But if they are implying that these conditions are the result of alien DNA, that kind of bugs me. People with these disorders already face stigmatization; they don't need the implication that they are inhuman.

[Prevailing Wind]

 

Maybe Scully feels like she owes the great grandchildren of Albert Hosteen a favor....

There for a while, I was reading a bunch of Tony Hillerman novels and it seems the Navajo use "Hosteen" as a title of respect for male elders.  It's like his name is Albert Esteemed.  Works for me. 

[AntiBeeSpray]

Is it soup yet?   I would have to say no.   There's connective tissue missing.   I realize the writers are operating under time constraints but sometimes it feels like entire scenes have been cut out.

 

For example, what induced Scully to leave her work at the hospital to rejoin the X-Files?   No explanation whatsoever.   One day she's helping disadvantaged kids, the next she's back in Skinner's office.  And not even a hint as to what led her there.   We can guess that she's worried about Mulder and feels she has to watch out for him ... but we shouldn't have to guess.   There's no nuance.   It feels rushed.  

 

The same goes for Tad O'Malley.  He makes this big splashy entrance with helicopters and limousines, vomits up a ton of exposition, and then, gone, eliciting barely a shrug from Mulder and Scully.

 

I'm thinking now that perhaps the six-part series should have focused on one case only, and told us what we need to know about where the characters are now through a well-written, carefully-paced plot rather than the bullet point presentation we're getting so far.

 

Bingo. It felt too jumpy to me too. I think it could be in part due to the length of commercial breaks now. There were a lot less of them back then.

[TomServo]

I just noticed rewatching the ending credits that William was played by three children with the same last name, one of whom is named "Hannah."

[AntiBeeSpray]

Speaking as a gay man, I honestly don't think I'd have been as offended with the pick-up scene if (1) it wasn't notable flirt and porn addict Fox Mulder playing dumb and (2) in an episode on Fox with Doug Savant as one of the main guest stars, it ended with Dead Gay Matt finally getting a gay kiss televised.

 

I'd definitely still be pissed with the "lifestyle preferences" line though, and I'm 90% sure the "why is this an issue?" thing was totally added in response to a request by Gillian Anderson.

 

Actually Mulder isn't addicted to it anymore. It ceased to be an issue in season 7 iirc.

 

But I definitely wasn't a fan of the scene itself though.

[AntiBeeSpray]

THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE -- at HappyTime, where Mulder has been temping for the past 13 years.

 

I miss Dead Like Me.

 

So do I :(. That show was awesome.

[firemountain9]

"Speaking as a gay man, I honestly don't think I'd have been as offended with the pick-up scene if (1) it wasn't notable flirt and porn addict Fox Mulder playing dumb and (2) in an episode on Fox with Doug Savant as one of the main guest stars, it ended with Dead Gay Matt finally getting a gay kiss televised."

I didn't care for this scene either because it felt sort of silly and forced, but FWIW, I thought Mulder's reaction and behavior here was totally consistent with his general obliviousness about social cues. What was that line Scully had in Detour? "You know sometimes, Mulder, I think you need to work on your..." How many times over the years has he missed obvious cues from Scully (whom he knows better than anyone in the world) and everyone else (for example, that woman who was hitting on him in Chimera). Mulder's not really a student of human behavior. I love the guy, but he's too self-involved and in his own head sometimes to pick up on clues that would be totally blatant to 95% of the population.

[Bastet]

I was going to say much the same thing - Fox "the blind leading the blind" Mulder not picking up on how Gupta was interpreting their meeting felt very typical to me.

[joelene]

I thought the same about the scene and thought it was very funny. Speaking as a gay man, I loved it. A bit silly, maybe, but this show was never above a little silliness. Nice to get some humour in a rather dire episode where an episode is usually either or. I must have ignored Scully saying "lifestyle preferences" though, because, ugh.

Loved seeing Rebecca Wisocky as the "crazy" ex-wife. Great job.

Edited January 28, 2016 by joelene

[HalcyonDays]

Mulder's not really a student of human behavior. I love the guy, but he's too self-involved and in his own head sometimes to pick up on clues that would be totally blatant to 95% of the population.

 

The funny thing though, is that Mulder is supposed to be an expect criminal profiler. Like, he focused on that in University and initially in the FBI. That makes he's an expert on weeding out criminals, not regular people though. I did get a kick out of the conversation, because in the original series, all of the conversations were very similar in nature, with the shadowyness of the dialogue and the person itself Mulder was meeting with.

 

Mulder is so used to this, that probably how he's viewing the meetup, so everything else is unexpected - because it's been that way for years for him, so that's what he automatically expects. Conspiracy and government secrets, not regular bar hookups.

[millennium]

This didn't occur to me until now because I watched this episode on DVR at one o'clock in the morning, but the fellatio joke scene appeared in a program that ran at 8 PM on a Monday night, a time when plenty of kids were probably watching.

 

Call me a prude or old-fashioned, I don't care.  But no show running at that hour should contain fellatio jokes, let alone have an individual dropping to his or her knees and fumbling at a belt.   I don't envy the parent who sat down with their kids to watch the X-Files and saw that on the screen.

 

It's wrong, and I can't believe it got past the network censors.

[AntiBeeSpray]

This didn't occur to me until now because I watched this episode on DVR at one o'clock in the morning, but the fellatio joke scene appeared in a program that ran at 8 PM on a Monday night, a time when plenty of kids were probably watching.

 

Call me a prude or old-fashioned, I don't care.  But no show running at that hour should contain fellatio jokes, let alone have an individual dropping to his or her knees and fumbling at a belt.   I don't envy the parent who sat down with their kids to watch the X-Files and saw that on the screen.

 

It's wrong, and I can't believe it got past the network censors.

 

Exactly. That kind of thing wouldn't have run on tv back in the day at that time. After 10pm is one thing. Heck if that kind of thing would have happened on the XF back in the day, my mom would have never let me watch that episode. And I wouldn't blame her.

 

I'm no prude by a long shot and neither is she, but that kind of thing doesn't need to be shown that early in the evening.

 

You're no prude. You have standards. And there's nothing wrong with that.

 

Neither can I.

[joelene]

I'm not saying you're wrong in your opinions, but I find it amusing how so very different television standards in America and Sweden are. I'd say the exploding eye-balls and suicide by stabbing yourself in the head is worse to watch than a fellatio joke, but that's me.

Edited January 28, 2016 by joelene

[AntiBeeSpray]

I'm not saying you're wrong in your opinions, but I find it amusing how so very different television standards in America and Sweden are. I'd say the exploding eye-balls and suicide by stabbing yourself in the head is worse to watch than a fellatio joke, but that's me.

 

Fair point.

 

But not everyone likes to see that kind of content. And the audience tends to skewer younger at that time. I don't mind it after 10, but before then... not so much.

[joelene]

There's always something not everyone wants to see. If you want to please everyone then you can't show anything. Presuming the child is watching The X-Files with their parent they're old enough to understand it and will not care apart from there being some silent embarrassment coming from both parent and child. If the kid doesn't understand it then the parent doesn't have to explain the nitty gritty of it.

And it was pretty much just innuendo anyway, not some sordid back-alley sex scene, which, presumably, would be okay after 10 pm, and there's quite a difference between a saucy 10 pm sex scene and what this was, IMO. I think that fact that it was gay is most likely to bother people (not saying that aspect necessarily bothered you), to which I say: tough.

Edited January 29, 2016 by joelene

[AntiBeeSpray]

There's always something not everyone wants to see. If you want to please everyone then you can't show anything. Presuming the child is watching The X-Files with their parent they're old enough to understand it and will not care apart from there being some silent embarrassment coming from both parent and child. If the kid doesn't understand it then the parent doesn't have to explain the nitty gritty of it.

And it was pretty much just innuendo anyway, not some sordid back-alley sex scene (which, presumably, would be okay after 10 pm, and there's quite a difference between a saucy 10 pm sex scene and what this was, IMO).

 

Fair point. But this was a step over the line for some people.

 

I don't mind a good innuendo, but I think it just felt out of place. And it seemed a bit out of left field.

 

Maybe. But it was still a bit much.

[sharinlilbit]

Not to mention, they plainly warned about "Sexual situations" at the beginning of the episodes.  Personally, I wouldn't have let my child watch either, but I would have been fully warned to expect something if I had been paying attention.  

[AntiBeeSpray]

Not to mention, they plainly warned about "Sexual situations" at the beginning of the episodes.  Personally, I wouldn't have let my child watch either, but I would have been fully warned to expect something if I had been paying attention.  

 

Fair point.

[Tardislass]

I do wonder why Fox scheduled it so early, perhaps because there was not a show popular enough to be a lead-in and this way, the network can scheduled the new shows after it to attract better viewership? It seems odd that a show that was on at 9/10pm originally now is on early pre watershed.

 

After seeing DD's albeit) late Tweet today about the viewer figures for the first episode, I'm now thinking that we may get an announcement that a further mini-series has been commissioned but no specifics. I would think that non-specific talks are already underway with the leads about returning, especially as it's Fox's biggest hit in a few years.

[HalcyonDays]

After seeing DD's albeit) late Tweet today about the viewer figures for the first episode, I'm now thinking that we may get an announcement that a further mini-series has been commissioned but no specifics. I would think that non-specific talks are already underway with the leads about returning, especially as it's Fox's biggest hit in a few years.

 

Oh totally. If the ratings are good, why wouldn't FOX try to capitalize. If GA and DD are up for it, I could totally see a season 11. Especially if it's short like this one, it won't be much of a commitment for them. And as long as GA gets the salary she rightfully deserves.

[supposebly]

Just please, someone take the Word Processor away from CC. Any kind of writing implement, really. I can't deal with his writing any more. Dialogue is so stilted and clunky.

[Ghost of TWOP Past]

The bj scene didn't seem to be anything new to me. Mulder was always going on about "one cheek sneaks," there was a female character with the last name "Afterglow" in one ep, there was the time a phone sex operator left Mulder a message because he hadn't talked to her for a while, the one where Scully fought the porno nurses, etc. No offense, but I think some of you are remembering the original series as cleaner than it actually was. 

[AntiBeeSpray]

The bj scene didn't seem to be anything new to me. Mulder was always going on about "one cheek sneaks," there was a female character with the last name "Afterglow" in one ep, there was the time a phone sex operator left Mulder a message because he hadn't talked to her for a while, the one where Scully fought the porno nurses, etc. No offense, but I think some of you are remembering the original series as cleaner than it actually was. 

 

Actually I remember it fine. Those were more implied then this was in my opinion.

[millennium]

There's always something not everyone wants to see. If you want to please everyone then you can't show anything. Presuming the child is watching The X-Files with their parent they're old enough to understand it and will not care apart from there being some silent embarrassment coming from both parent and child. If the kid doesn't understand it then the parent doesn't have to explain the nitty gritty of it.

And it was pretty much just innuendo anyway, not some sordid back-alley sex scene, which, presumably, would be okay after 10 pm, and there's quite a difference between a saucy 10 pm sex scene and what this was, IMO. I think that fact that it was gay is most likely to bother people (not saying that aspect necessarily bothered you), to which I say: tough.

 

I trust you noticed that I wrote "his or her knees"   It's not the gay aspect that bothers me  (other than anonymous and indiscriminate sexual hookups being a gay stereotype strongly associated with the spread of AIDS back in the 80s).     It's the raunch for raunch's sake, regardless of sexual orientation -- and that a such a scene was aired at 8 pm during the traditional broadcasting "family hour."