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Maybe Oliver is stung and infected before the bees attack Felicity, Thea and Donna at PT?  Then he recovers, he realizes the two women in his life are under attack.  Curtis could already have been introduced to the lair by Felicity to replace her, or Oliver could have grabbed him after he was attacked because they're robot bees.

 

A poster at TVLine suggested that Felicity was being blackmailed by HIVE or her father into leaving Oliver and that the drive she took away had some super sekrit information on it.

 

I hope not, I want her leaving Oliver to be about him and them, not because she's forced to. 

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Come to think of it, if Chaser is right and that is the drive that her dad gave her...wouldn't it be cool if she teamed up with Lyla/ARGUS and modified her dad's codes to help catch the bad guys worldwide?

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I don't mind if they bring back her Dad this season or next. But I hope the drive is not her father's, because I want whatever is on that thumb drive to be about her and her ideas. And if it is his, then she is simply looking for evidence for his prosecution, although then one would think it would be in police custody, but its Arrow so chain of command of evidence is not that important.

 

I also believe that she left OQ of her own free will this time, and it's just wishful thinking on people's parts to think that she is being blackmailed into it by the drive.

 

However, the fact that they highlighted her going back for the drive makes me think it will be important for something she does in the future.

 

Random sidenote ~ I know it probably won't matter soon, but looking at those stills of BC in the lair with all of her buckles really highlighted how they are just way too many on her pants. It really was an impractical & unflattering costume design.

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ComicFan777

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Crazy theory time: Everyone has been wondering what kind of situation would show Felicity that Oliver has changed.  Echo mentioned that the Calculator is coming back...maybe the Calculator blackmails Oliver to do stuff for him or else he releases all the evidence he has on Felicity helping the Green Arrow to the authorities - it could put Felicity in prison for life.  Oliver isn't allowed to tell Felicity.  The Calculator would be able to tell if Oliver tells Felicity either by his tech spy stuff or if Felicity tries to hack into his system to erase the evidence he has.

 

This time, instead of defaulting to going at it alone, Oliver tells Felicity and they work together to defeat the Calculator.

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way2interested

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Crazy theory time: Everyone has been wondering what kind of situation would show Felicity that Oliver has changed. Echo mentioned that the Calculator is coming back...maybe the Calculator blackmails Oliver to do stuff for him or else he releases all the evidence he has on Felicity helping the Green Arrow to the authorities - it could put Felicity in prison for life. Oliver isn't allowed to tell Felicity. The Calculator would be able to tell if Oliver tells Felicity either by his tech spy stuff or if Felicity tries to hack into his system to erase the evidence he has.

This time, instead of defaulting to going at it alone, Oliver tells Felicity and they work together to defeat the Calculator.

NGL, I had this exact same thought, especially after this news about the Calculator coming back.

If not this, then I could at least picture the "big gesture" that Oliver made need to prove to Felicity that he changed is that Oliver is threatened with his own life or someone else's and, instead of keeping it to himself, he does tell Felicity so that they can figure out a way to stop it.

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nksarmi

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That would work.  But I by no means want to see Calculator blackmail Felicity and have her act the same way as Oliver or Roy and then she "understands" and they get back together.  No. I'd probably stop watching.  I'm having a hard enough time with the fact that Malcolm keeps getting rewarded for his evil ways. But if the morality lesson from this show becomes "it's ok to lie and deceive your loved ones if you have a really good reason to" I might not be able to handle it anymore.

 

If they want to make Felicity go dark or evil, they can do it by bringing out the amnesia/hypnosis/brain altering nanobites/whatever trope and have some fun with it - but REAL Felicity can't commit the same sin she's breaking up with Oliver for - no.

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ComicFan777

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That would work.  But I by no means want to see Calculator blackmail Felicity and have her act the same way as Oliver or Roy and then she "understands" and they get back together.  No. I'd probably stop watching.  I'm having a hard enough time with the fact that Malcolm keeps getting rewarded for his evil ways. But if the morality lesson from this show becomes "it's ok to lie and deceive your loved ones if you have a really good reason to" I might not be able to handle it anymore.

 

I agree, I don't think Felicity should be the one being blackmailed because it would set her up to be just like Oliver in BMD. 

 

If Oliver was the one blackmailed by Felicity's dad, I think it would be an interesting way to delve into Oliver's mind - it's a complicated problem.  Oliver's instinct is hide things and when he is cornered, to go at it alone and to protect without thinking, but he can't afford to make the wrong decision because it could ruin Felicity's life.  He is also in the middle of trying to win Felicity back.  He doesn't want to hurt her more by letting her know that her dad is deliberately out to hurt her...and would he be able to let her know without her dad finding out (I guess this might have been a concern with the BM secret).  It is a complicated problem that could really show growth if he decided to let her in.  It also feels very similar to Felicity's decision to go against Moira and tell Oliver about Thea's parentage, but with scarier consequences.

 

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apinknightmare

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Curtis finds them accidentally? Wow. Worst. Secret Lair. Ever.

 

The elevator door is hidden behind wood paneling in Oliver's (empty, I guess?) campaign office. A lot of things would have to go his way for him to just accidentally find it, haha. Felicity must've sent him?

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foreverevolving

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http://jhopq.tumblr.com/post/141662325293/arrow-4x17-trailer

 

Curtis's reaction to finding out about Team Arrow is kinda hilarious.  It looks like he wandered down the Arrow elevator all by himself, so I guess Felicity must have sent him there without telling him anything.

I can't figure out what he says in the beginning, I think he says "frack"?

i'm gonna assume Felicity sends him because she's stuck in PT and can't help the team, so she tells him where to go and how to get there but not what it is he is going to. kind of like "I need you to go to Oliver old campaign office, move that and ride down the elevator." sort of thing.

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lemotomato

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The elevator door is hidden behind wood paneling in Oliver's (empty, I guess?) campaign office. A lot of things would have to go his way for him to just accidentally find it, haha. Felicity must've sent him?

That makes more sense!
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Chaser

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I'm guessing the timeline is:

 

- They take PT hostage

- Masks attempt to get in, but Oliver is stung by the bee and they have to get him back to the Lair

- Felicity gets Curtis out and she tells him how to find the Team

- Lair stuff: Oliver almost dies , Laurel uses the collar , Curtis helps the Team, etc...

 

What throws me off is the scenes with Brie holding the gun looks like they could be the big takedown, but I don't understand where Diggle and Laurel are. Why would Oliver be alone?

 

I can't watch the new trailer. Anything to shed light on that?

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ComicFan777

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What throws me off is the scenes with Brie holding the gun looks like they could be the big takedown, but I don't understand where Diggle and Laurel are. Why would Oliver be alone?

 

I can't watch the new trailer. Anything to shed light on that?

 

...maybe Diggle and Laurel are trying to evac the hostages out of the building while Oliver takes down Brie and Curtis is running comms.

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looptab

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I figured that Curtis gets to the lair before the masks go to PT, since he is in there when Oliver is almost dying - unless the bees effect isn't immediate?

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Guest

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Oh, so Curtis just so happens to be sick (probably off work) so he can go help in the lair. How fortunate! His reaction was pretty funny though. But they don't seem to be expecting him so I really don't know what that's about. If Felicity sent him, let's wait for all the 'how dare she reveal their secret identities without their permission' crap.

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Chaser

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I figured that Curtis gets to the lair before the masks go to PT, since he is in there when Oliver is almost dying - unless the bees effect isn't immediate?

Oh right, because of that screenshot.

 

I forgot about that.

They already released the comic preview?

 

Does anyone else think the promo department got yelled at?

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looptab

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I think Curtis is at PT and manages to escape somehow - there were a few scenes in the 416 promo.

 

Yeah, I think so, too. They usually release those on Mondays.

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AyChihuahua

AyChihuahua

Several of these characters are bizarrely incurious. Laurel never asked how Thea went from pretty-dead to fine last year, and apparently Thea, at least, didn't ask how Felicity went from paralyzed to fine this year. No one thought to check in on O/F's relationship after the baby bomb. I find this just bizarre.

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ComicFan777

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Since Felicity is the one that Brie wants and her implant, she stays as distraction to give Team Arrow time to formulate a plan and get there and sends Curtis to the lair to help the Team without filling him in on the details.  Donna would refuse to leave Felicity there alone.  And, Thea wants to protect them both. 

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I hope Curtis is at PT and just manages to escape to get help. If there are scenes of that, cool. I haven't watched any promo apart from that Curtis one. 

 

Also in that comic preview, is Thea wearing part of her Speedy outfit or is it just a red jacket? I can't tell. I only ask because they're with Donna...who doesn't know about their secret lives.

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apinknightmare

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I hope Curtis is at PT and just manages to escape to get help. If there are scenes of that, cool. I haven't watched any promo part from that Curtis one.

Also in that comic preview, is Thea wearing part of her Speedy outfit or is it just a red jacket? I can't tell. I only ask because they're with Donna...who doesn't know about their secret lives.

Looks like a regular jacket in the promo pics, I think.

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SleepDeprived

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Damn, Arrow writers. Why are you like this? I know you need to do the requisite exposition stuff for people who don't pay attention but WHY does it have to be Thea? It's just too unbelievable and dumb that Oliver's sister has no idea about the biostimulant. If Thea doesn't know then do Digg and Laurel and Quentin also not know how Felicity started walking again? Like, do they believe she just miraculously started walking? Oh, Arrow.

 

I always thought Team GA had a keycode or fingerprint scanner or some other biometrics thing that was needed to be able to gain access to the lair. I guess that was just in my head? I mean, I would think extra security measures like that would be important for the security of the hidden arrowcave but what do I know? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ But Felicity sending Curtis to the "secret" lair makes sense. I really hope it goes that way. Please be Felicity figuring out a way to send Curtis to the Team to help rather than him just finding the lair by terrific happenstance.

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apinknightmare

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Damn, Arrow writers. Why are you like this? I know you need to do the requisite exposition stuff for people who don't pay attention but WHY does it have to be Thea? It's just too unbelievable and dumb that Oliver's sister has no idea about the biostimulant. If Thea doesn't know then do Digg and Laurel and Quentin also not know how Felicity started walking again? Like, do they believe she just miraculously started walking? Oh, Arrow.

 

To be fair, Felicity and/or Oliver could've told the team that Curtis worked up some tech that helped Felicity walk again, but not mentioned the name of it. And Thea isn't a tech person, so she'd have no way of knowing that what Brie was looking for is what is in Felicity's spine - an implant could be anything as far as she knows. (It's probably just an oversight, but I can write it off until the show tells me otherwise, haha)

 

 

I always thought Team GA had a keycode or fingerprint scanner or some other biometrics thing that was needed to be able to gain access to the lair. I guess that was just in my head?

 

When Oliver showed the team the lair for the first time, he opened the doors on his phone. Not sure if we've seen anyone else go down there from the campaign office?

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ComicFan777

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I guess we could say that Thea and Felicity are not so close on-screen or off-screen, since she has no idea how Felicity started walking again - implant didn't even sound familiar to her.  It's funny how Arrow usually wants us to assume people are close b/c off-screen interactions, but this doesn't seem like the case here.  Team Arrow is not as close as we thought...so does that mean we can assume that Felicity and Laurel are just favor friends and not best buds, too?

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tv echo

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Oh, so Curtis just so happens to be sick (probably off work) so he can go help in the lair. How fortunate! His reaction was pretty funny though. But they don't seem to be expecting him so I really don't know what that's about. If Felicity sent him, let's wait for all the 'how dare she reveal their secret identities with their permission' crap.

Curtis is certainly more trustworthy than Samantha.  Did Oliver get any grief for exposing everyone's secret identities and the location of their secret lair to a woman who's virtually a stranger - a one-night stand from 10 years ago who lied to him and deceived him for 10 years, not to mention betrayed her old friend Laurel?

 

Oh wait, I forgot - having his child automatically turned her into a saint. (Sorry, residual bitterness.)

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SleepDeprived

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To be fair, Felicity and/or Oliver could've told the team that Curtis worked up some tech that helped Felicity walk again, but not mentioned the name of it. And Thea isn't a tech person, so she'd have no way of knowing that what Brie was looking for is what is in Felicity's spine - an implant could be anything as far as she knows. (It's probably just an oversight, but I can write it off until the show tells me otherwise, haha)

 

This makes sense. Thank you. This will be my headcanon then instead of thinking that the writers are using poor Thea as exposition fairy in a ridiculous way, once again (it still makes me laugh whenever I remember her shouting to no one at all that it was an unmanned machine gun firing at Jessica Danforth in 4x02).

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AyChihuahua

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Curtis is certainly more trustworthy than Samantha.  Did Oliver get any grief for exposing everyone's secret identities and the location of their secret lair to a woman who's virtually a stranger - a one-night stand from 10 years ago who lied to him and deceived him for 10 years, not to mention betrayed her old friend Laurel?

 

Oh wait, I forgot - having his child automatically turned her into a saint. (Sorry, residual bitterness.)

Thus she shall never be more than "Baby Mama," "BM," or "lying hag" to me. She is unworthy of being called by her given name.

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Starfish35

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I love that new trailer. Curtis is great. I'm really looking forward to this episode. :) I feel like we're finally through the worst, and I'm looking forward to everything from here on out (bring on 418 *cough*).

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DeadZeus

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Remember when Felicity and Curtis went to the lair when Double Down was chasing them, they took a "secret" elevator. 2 seconds later Double Down enters the Arrow Hideout from the stairs... lol...

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Guest

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I do really like Curtis but I don't like that Felicity has to be removed so he can help the team. They keep doing this and it's annoying and makes me bitter. LOL.

Have they confirmed that Calculator is coming back?

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tv echo

tv echo

Here's one person's theory for how Olicity will reunite...

My theory is Papa Smoak will emerge from prison to prove to his daughter that he does love her, he can change, and heal their relationship. This, in turn, will show Felicity that Oliver can change, and not be the lone man on the island anymore. Following the major imminent death on the way, Felicity will rekindle her relationship with Oliver and Team Arrow, feeling life is too short not to be with the ones you love.

http://moviepilot.com/posts/3835804

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Chaser

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I do really like Curtis but I don't like that Felicity has to be removed so he can help the team. They keep doing this and it's annoying and makes me bitter. LOL.

Have they confirmed that Calculator is coming back?

I don't like Felicity being removed, but as long as she gets to use her skills on the inside I think I will be okay with it. For know. Like this episode.

 

I really need confirmation that Calculator is coming back before I get excited about the potential.

Here's one person's theory for how Olicity will reunite...

http://moviepilot.com/posts/3835804

Just based off of that snippet, I'm not a fan. I need Oliver to make a move, not be absolved through another's actions. 

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tv echo

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We don't know for sure-for sure that Calculator is returning this season.  But Echo Kellum apparently said in a post-416 Arrow Aftershow something like, "The Calculator might be big on the show soon, oh boy."  

 

There's also a BTS pic posted by PB on instagram that shows EBR getting her hair styled, with someone who looks like Tom Amandes in the background, but we don't know if it's a new pic or an old pic (from previous filming).

 

Also, for what it's worth (probably nothing), Tom Amandes' IMDB page lists 421 and 422 among his Arrow credits.

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ComicFan777

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Yeah, I've seen speculation that LL death is a fake death (thus photos leaked on purpose to throw us off) because she is targeted by DD, she goes into hiding (explains KC is not on set), and the real death that sticks happens later in the season - I can see LL fans hoping that that is the case.

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SonofaBiscuit

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It totally boggles my mind that KC has dyed her hair, is planning con appearances during times that Arrow will be filming next season, and is shilling various products (Dominos pizza, the Prius, Dunkin' Donuts, Apple products, etc.), but people are still convinced she's not dead!!  She's dead, y'all.  Dead dead dead.  Never-coming-back dead.  Man, April 6th is going to be such a LOL-fest of meltdowns!   

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Midnight Lullaby

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The CW hasn't the money to fake anything. LL is dead and her fans will have to deal with it. I honestly doubt casual viewers will notice the difference because not counting the last episode the writers didn't have her do anything of significance the whole season.

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I'm trying to figure out the timeline of the episode. Felicity, her mom, and Thea are presumably at PT during the bee attack. Oliver gets stung when he and the team show up to fight. The team minus Thea go back to the lair with Curtis in tow. Oliver fights for his life (per SA's tweet); Laurel's Canary Cry disables the bees in him. Oliver then recovers quickly enough to put his suit back on, chat with Curtis, and head back to PT to fight Queen Bee and her robot minion? I wonder where Mama Smoak went because it doesn't look like she's in the office with Felicity and Thea. Rescued during the initial attack along with Curtis? 

 

I think I'll be watching parts of this episode through my fingers. Bees exploding out of people? ::shudder::

 

Based on the Philippines trailer for 4x17, Curtis either uses his wits, or is directed by Felicity, to go to the lair and get the teams help.

 

I think Brie traps everyone at PT inside, Curtis gets Team Arrow the message, and Oliver attempts to save them... probably twice.

First time, he get stung and needs Laurel's help, then everything will come together in the end for the team to save everyone.

 

Curtis becomes a de-facto Felicity for the episode, but I do not think he will ever replace her. He will not.

 

As for the thumb drive, I might be in the minority, but I think they had her go down there to get it as an excuse for her to be down there. She wouldn't randomly be at the lair unless she needed to pick something up.

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lemotomato

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Yeah, I've seen speculation that LL death is a fake death (thus photos leaked on purpose to throw us off) because she is targeted by DD, she goes into hiding (explains KC is not on set), and the real death that sticks happens later in the season - I can see LL fans hoping that that is the case.

I could almost believe that, except the show already did that last season with Roy. If they wanted to throw us off, the cast would be posting vaguey vague stuff like SA did, when he posted a BTS photo of GA, Arsenal, and BC and captioned it "last time we'll get a picture like this" or something. 

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Genki

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From the comic preview, it seems to me that Thea is down at PT to warn Felicity the Brie is out to steal the bio-stimulant from her and maybe help protect her.

 

This would mean that Team Arrow encounters the bees at some point earlier, maybe ending in Oliver getting stung. But if they aren't going straight for Felicity, then did they attack Curtis first? How did she (Brie) find out about it? When does Oliver end up at PT in a his civilian suit?

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ComicFan777

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I got the impression from the comic preview that Felicity is looking at the computer (security cam footage?) of Brie broadcasting that she's holding the board of directors hostage, wants the implant prototype, and will set bees on them if Felicity doesn't come out.  I think Thea happens to be around with Donna and Felicity when Brie broadcasts to Felicity's computer, but I don't think she came to warn them.  I figured Curtis is the one that warned the team about the bees (after Thea is already in PT). 

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