Spoiler Discussion Thread

[Orion]

One of the EPs gave an interview right after the finale that said this villain will be different because he won't be omni-present like Slade. So if we are seeing this villain in flashbacks my guess is he will be in Sara's past. Which could mean Ra's.

So help me I will flip a lid if I have to sit through more Laurel fb before I get Felicity's backstory.

The only way they can go with drug made me do it date invite IMO is if Oliver asks Felicity and tells her why he was holding back and Felicity, knowing Oliver is drugged doesn't tell him what he says when he finally wakes up. They can then reset the relationship but she will know 1.) yes he has feelings for her but 2.) he is not ready to act on them and Felicity moves forward thinking he will never be ready. That would play back to EBR's comment about this being Oliver's battle and Felicity isn't going to wait around for him to come to his senses. Otherwise it's just another fake out on top of a fake out and boy will the writers be sorry for yanking on the fandom tail again.

[Password]

Bubble burst. Really what is wrong with these EPs. I like Olicity because they're uncomplicated. Don't mess up the ship.

[dtissagirl]

I hate this possibility of the willpower drug making Oliver ask Felicity out. It looks so... I dunno, like coward writing? As in it gives the writers an easy way out of dealing with a relationship by using stupid gimmicks?

Because if Oliver is really basking in the hero worship the city is giving him, why wouldn't he ask Felicity out? He obviously likes her, she obviously likes him, and Oliver seems to be totally aware of their mutual feelings, way more than Felicity is, even, and here's a window of opportunity where there's nothing stopping him.

I'd rather something less creepy than a drug [that makes you act on your instincts] gets in the way, like maybe Felicity is already dating Ray Palmer, and Oliver missed his chance.

ETA: or what @Orion said about Felicity guessing dude has been drugged. It just CANNOT be fake again.

Edited July 15, 2014 by dancingnancy

[Password]

The only way they can go with drug made me do it date invite IMO is if Oliver asks Felicity and tells her why he was holding back and Felicity, knowing Oliver is drugged doesn't tell him what he says when he finally wakes up. They can then reset the relationship but she will know 1.) yes he has feelings for her but 2.) he is not ready to act on them and Felicity moves forward thinking he will never be ready. That would play back to EBR's comment about this being Oliver's battle and Felicity isn't going to wait around for him to come to his senses. Otherwise it's just another fake out on top of a fake out and boy will the writers be sorry for yanking on the fandom tail again.

I don't mind this scenario that much because it reveals Oliver's feelings. And at the same time allows the viewer to have closure and Felicity to move on without much angst.

Like when Ron mumbled Hermione's name in his sleep but didn't know after he woke. It let's the audience know where he's head is at without committing to something serious.

Edited July 15, 2014 by ArrowLimbo

[apinknightmare]

I hate this possibility of the willpower drug making Oliver ask Felicity out. It looks so... I dunno, like coward writing? As in it gives the writers an easy way out of dealing with a relationship by using stupid gimmicks?

Because if Oliver is really basking in the hero worship the city is giving him, why wouldn't he ask Felicity out? He obviously likes her, she obviously likes him, and Oliver seems to be totally aware of their mutual feelings, way more than Felicity is, even, and here's a window of opportunity where there's nothing stopping him.

I'd rather something less creepy than a drug [that makes you act on your instincts] gets in the way, like maybe Felicity is already dating Ray Palmer, and Oliver missed his chance.

 

Maybe the basking in the hero worship is part of the effects of the drug? I wouldn't mind him asking her and then finding out that she's already dating someone, although I don't know why that would need better context. It's the better context comment that's throwing me off.

I don't mind this scenario that much because it reveals Oliver's feelings. And at the same time allows the viewer to have closure and Felicity to move on without much angst.

 

I think whatever scenario they go with, we'll know Oliver has feelings for Felicity at the end of it. I just don't think Felicity will.

[MsSchadenfreude]

I suppose "better context" could mean Oliver really asks Felicity out, then get dosed with the willpower drug.  Villian re-appears, bad stuff happens,  Felicity finds out Oliver was drugged and assumes he was at the time he asked her out, so the date wasn't real.  Oliver who is back on the "because of the life I lead nonsense" train lets Felicity think it was the drugs, but the viewers know it wasn't.  Felicity could move on and it wouldn't hurt the team dynamics since she didn't think it was real and  Oliver can add some more mopey man pain to his quiver.

[icandigit]

 

Oliver can add some more mopey man pain to his quiver.

Hee. Hee

[apinknightmare]

 

I suppose "better context" could mean Oliver really asks Felicity out, then get dosed with the willpower drug.  Villian re-appears, bad stuff happens,  Felicity finds out Oliver was drugged and assumes he was at the time he asked her out, so the date wasn't real.  Oliver who is back on the "because of the life I lead nonsense" train lets Felicity think it was the drugs, but the viewers know it wasn't.

 

And I'd expect a follow-up chat with Diggle, too. Hopefully he calls Oliver an idiot, but I'll take what I can get.

[Password]

Even drugged though, why ask her out? Seems kind of random unless it was something on his mind. Does the drug make you do things completely out of nowhere? This drug is already causing problems and we haven't even watched the season premiere.

[Orion]

I like your idea with the dream. If the audience is made aware that Oliver is hallucinating asking Felicity out on a date and in his hallucination something goes wrong that could get him back on the life he leads nonsense. I could live with that Felicity isn't emotionally hurt, the viewers are clued into real feelings and Oliver goes back to his only successful relationship, the salamon ladder and Felicity goes to Ray.

That last line of the interview though says they will be dealing with those 3 questions this season means Olicity is going to be an arc for the full season. So that's exciting.

[Morrigan2575]

Even drugged though, why ask her out? Seems kind of random unless it was something on his mind. Does the drug make you do things completely out of nowhere? This drug is already causing problems and we haven't even watched the season premiere.

Are they even still going with that willpower drug? I thought with the casting of Count Vertigo 2.0 they kind of changed the plan and went back to the normal drug effects.

Edited July 15, 2014 by Morrigan2575

[apinknightmare]

Even drugged though, why ask her out? Seems kind of random unless it was something on his mind. Does the drug make you do things completely out of nowhere? This drug is already causing problems and we haven't even watched the season premiere.

It's allegedly a willpower drug, so I guess it just makes people give in.

[Password]

It's allegedly a willpower drug, so I guess it just makes people give in.

Well that would prove Oliver has feelings for her at the very least if he was actively working against giving in. I wonder how many truth bombs the drug will throw at us this season.

[apinknightmare]

Are they even still going with that willpower drug? I thought with the casting of Count Vertigo 2.0 they kind of changed the plan and went back to the normal drug effects.

Oliver and Felicity aside, it'd be neat if it was a willpower type drug and The Count was also running side businesses that would benefit from people losing their willpower.

[stormborn]

The phrasing of "better context" is confusing to me. Are we sure he wasn't misquoted and actually said "bigger context" cause that would make more sense. I don't know, but the wording seems a bit off; but whether or not it is correct, I stay firm in my belief that we're not actually gonna see a real date happen between Oliver and Felicity until probably next season. But I do think that this season is the start of getting the Olicity romance ball rolling which I am very excited for. 

 

The drug induced date idea probably could have worked if the show hadn't already sike-a-liked the ILY scene (even though I personally believe Oliver meant what he said and nothing was fake about it at all) but now to turn around and invalidate the first date too? Someone mentioned earlier that that's coward writing and I agree wholeheartedly.

 

I much rather prefer a case where Oliver asks Felicity out of his own volition and she not think its an actual date but we, the audience, see the planning that goes into the date, the lengths Oliver goes to make it special for her only to have it be ruined by The Count 2.0. I mean, that's my perfect scenario. I don't think Felicity needs to know that Oliver has feelings for her so early on in the season. A bit more build up is required before that can happen. She knows he loves her as a friend and as a partner but as I said before, I wouldn't be able to take her relationship with Ray seriously if she did in fact know Oliver was into her romantically. 

 

I just hope the writers take their time with them and realize they're crafting what could become one of those iconic television couples. I'm all for a slow burn if it means we're going to get real development. 

 

Also as psyched as I would be for Al Ghul as this season's big bad, I don't know why I think its Malcolm more than anything else? The personal connection mention, ties in perfectly with the Thea and Malcolm arc. But who knows. 

[apinknightmare]

The phrasing of "better context" is confusing to me. Are we sure he wasn't misquoted and actually said "bigger context" cause that would make more sense.

 

IMO, I don't think 'bigger' or 'better' matters at all. It's context that's the key. If he's going out with her because he's happy and he feels invincible and he likes her and wants to take her out, we don't need context. We only need context when it isn't what it seems to be.

[statsgirl]

I also think it's interesting that this interview then turned to Oliver and Felicity - instead of any of the other stuff that's brewing (status of QC, Thea, parenthood, Laurel, Sara).  Perhaps there's far more to the interview and this is just a portion that's being released right now.  Not the first time that will have happened.

 

Matt Mitovich has been a fan of Felicity and Oliver/Felicity from way back.   I expect we'll get more from the interview in spoiler segments over the summer.

 

As for Oliver's feelings, I think a drug-induced admission of feelings is going to go over with a lot of fans like a box of bricks.

 

NCIS has permanently put me off drug-induced admissions of feelings. It was okay in the episode itself (Truth or Consequences) but on the discussion boards and news sites, everyone who didn't like the ship denied it even happened.

 

 

So help me I will flip a lid if I have to sit through more Laurel fb before I get Felicity's backstory.

Same here.  Between the flashbacks we've had so far, and the Sara flashbacks, what more is there to tell about her?

 

 

The only way they can go with drug made me do it date invite IMO is if Oliver asks Felicity and tells her why he was holding back and Felicity, knowing Oliver is drugged doesn't tell him what he says when he finally wakes up. They can then reset the relationship but she will know 1.) yes he has feelings for her but 2.) he is not ready to act on them and Felicity moves forward thinking he will never be ready.

I don't know, that still doesn't work for me.  She knows she has feelings for him and he has feelings for her, but so quickly she decides to date the guy who took over his company?  Even if Ray did it legally, it still feels like a betrayal of Oliver to date the guy. Worse, it means she did it pretty quickly. I can see waiting around for a year or five and then deciding Oliver's not going to say anything and move on, but five minutes? 

 

 

I suppose "better context" could mean Oliver really asks Felicity out, then get dosed with the willpower drug.  Villian re-appears, bad stuff happens,  Felicity finds out Oliver was drugged and assumes he was at the time he asked her out, so the date wasn't real.  Oliver who is back on the "because of the life I lead nonsense" train lets Felicity think it was the drugs, but the viewers know it wasn't.  Felicity could move on and it wouldn't hurt the team dynamics since she didn't think it was real and  Oliver can add some more mopey man pain to his quiver.

I like this better.  I'm fine if Felicity doesn't know, in fact I'd like it better if she doesn't because then her dating Ray makes more sense, but I do insister that the show make canon that Oliver has romantic feelings for her and it's not just her crush.

[writersblock51]

IMO, I don't think 'bigger' or 'better' matters at all. It's context that's the key. If he's going out with her because he's happy and he feels invincible and he likes her and wants to take her out, we don't need context. We only need context when it isn't what it seems to be.

 

This is where I'm at with this, too.  I think we can come up with a ton of scenarios where everything is likely more complicated or interesting than what the show will end up doing.  *sigh*

 

I think the show does need to tread carefully with this - it's clear they know they've got something pretty popular and special with Oliver and Felicity.  Heck, it may be enough to smooth over some ruffled feathers depending on how other parts of the show go. 

 

I do think the references to it being a season long arc shows more restraint than I'd have expected.  It also would make sense since Felicity and Ray may be a thing for a bit. 

 

 

A bit more build up is required before that can happen. She knows he loves her as a friend and as a partner but as I said before, I wouldn't be able to take her relationship with Ray seriously if she did in fact know Oliver was into her romantically. 

 

I just hope the writers take their time with them and realize they're crafting what could become one of those iconic television couples. I'm all for a slow burn if it means we're going to get real development. 

 

I agree with this completely.

[apinknightmare]

After the fakeout I love you that ended the season, I don't really want to see another type of bait-and-switch type thing with these two, but IMO, having Oliver ask her out while drugged or letting her believe that was part of him being drugged is the preferable way to go in terms of the larger narrative. It sucks, but as long as Oliver admits to Diggle that there's something there on his end (or it's somehow communicated to the audience without a doubt), I'd be okay with it. I wouldn't buy Oliver asking her out legitimately and then taking it back for whatever reason, and then watching Felicity move on to another man. So, in order to stay true to her character, she absolutely cannot know that it's real. I think that would give her the motivation she needs to move on, and at that point a relationship with someone else would make sense.

 

It would take a level of nuance that I'm not entirely sure these writers have in them, but they've been very cautious with O/F so far, and theirs is one of the best relationships on this show (apart from the Team dynamic), so even though I don't have faith in them about a lot of things, I do have faith about that. It will irritate me, but it could be worse, and something about GB saying that Oliver and Felicity's relationship will be an active part of the season gives me hope that they'll do things right.

 

(please do things right)

[Morrigan2575]

Ok, interesting....really just don't know what to think anymore.

http://comicbook.com/blog/2014/07/16/arrow-will-bring-back-caity-lotz-in-the-season-three-premiere/

Original TV Guide spoiler

Is it too much to hope that Caity Lotz will be back on Arrow next season? — Katrina

Even though our favorite Canary passed off her leather jacket to Laurel and disappeared into the ether with Nyssa, I hear Sara will be back for the Season 3 premiere. I wonder how she'll feel about Oliver and Felicity going on a date!

Comicbook.com write up of TV Guide Spoilers

The season premiere of Arrow this year will feature Caity Lotz as Sara Lance, better known as the Black Canary, in spite of the fact that when we last saw her, she had run off with Nyssa Raatko to rejoin the League of Assassins.

That's according to the "Mega Buzz" column over at TV Guide, where they were asked about the chances of Lotz reappearing. Here's what they had to say:

Even though our favorite Canary passed off her leather jacket to Laurel and disappeared into the ether with Nyssa, I hear Sara will be back for the Season 4 premiere. I wonder how she'll feel about Oliver and Felicity going on a date!

...In fairness, she just moved back in with her ex. I'm not sure she's got much room to be all that judgmental about Oliver having what, according to the synopsis, sounds like a single date before he reverts to "I can never be with someone I love" form.

I love that the comic book site is all Sara AKA Black Canary and our favorite Canary. Edited July 16, 2014 by Morrigan2575

[writersblock51]

Wow. So there goes one of the big news items we were thinking for Comic Con in a few weeks.

 

That syncs up with the photos recently published showing either CL or her stunt double in full out BC garb, too.  Oh, does this mean Nyssa will be back, too? 

 

I just realized how relieved I was about the news, too. 

 

OK, I'm more convinced now that the inevitable 'big news' will be Ra's is coming to Starling City in S3. 

Edited July 16, 2014 by writersblock51

[apinknightmare]

Ok, interesting....really just don't know what to think anymore.

http://comicbook.com/blog/2014/07/16/arrow-will-bring-back-caity-lotz-in-the-season-three-premiere/

Original TV Guide spoiler

 

Maybe (and this is just me hoping beyond hope, let me have it) that jacket hand off was just a red herring (or they changed their minds about the direction after audience reaction)?

 

Also, I miss Oliver's Wicked Witch of the West eyepaint so much.

[abhi]

Hmmm, which other character's flashbacks is he talking about? Last season also we had other character's flashbacks. If he is actively talking about it, then it means these flashbacks will be substantial. We have already seen digg's flashbacks and I don't think we are getting more of it. It just leaves Sara's flashbacks and if Ra's al Ghul comes to Arrow then we can be introduced to him via Sara's flashbacks.

Edited July 16, 2014 by abhi

[Morrigan2575]

Also, I miss Oliver's Wicked Witch of the West eyepaint so much.

I don't remember where I saw this but I'm positive SA said he preferred the paint to the mask.

Maybe (and this is just me hoping beyond hope, let me have it) that jacket hand off was just a red herring (or they changed their minds about the direction after audience reaction)?

I'm a tiny bit hopeful that's the case, I'm a tiny bit fearful that SDCC is going to break my heart and I'm just mostly confused. I'm confused as to why this came out at TCAs (I'm assuming that's where the Matt M and TV Guide stuff came from) unless TV Guide is just going by Canadagraphs photo. But if Berlanti and Mark Pedowitz are talking about Canary/Sara and Olicity...why aren't they talking about their precious?

Oh, does this mean Nyssa will be back, too?

We already know that Katrina Law said she was going to film Arrow soon, probably 302, hunting that international merc. Edited July 16, 2014 by Morrigan2575

[dtissagirl]

Marc Guggenheim linked to the TV Guide article on Twitter: http://twitter.com/mguggenheim/status/489217988554670080

I can finally Tweet it: @caitylotz is returning to Arrow! http://t.co/1IJ7lOerOK via @tvguide

So it's OFFICIAL official that she's in 301. I wish we knew if she's back as a regular, or recurring -- and if the latter, how many eps.

[writersblock51]

On one hand, I'm very glad to hear this!

 

On the other... now I'm going to worry - again - about when she's going to die.

 

Craptastic.

[apinknightmare]

On one hand, I'm very glad to hear this!

 

On the other... now I'm going to worry - again - about when she's going to die.

 

Craptastic.

 

She'll die when Ra's al Ghul needs a reason to go apeshit on Oliver/Starling City.

[stormborn]

 

I don't know, that still doesn't work for me.  She knows she has feelings for him and he has feelings for her, but so quickly she decides to date the guy who took over his company?  Even if Ray did it legally, it still feels like a betrayal of Oliver to date the guy. Worse, it means she did it pretty quickly. I can see waiting around for a year or five and then deciding Oliver's not going to say anything and move on, but five minutes?

 

Yeah exactly and also Ray will just end up looking like a really pretty placeholder until Oliver is ready to pursue a relationship with her. (I mean, he kinda already is but you know what I mean)

 

To be honest, I have my issues with this Ray Palmer development that have absolutely nothing to do with Olicity but everything to do with the show and its now established pattern of using Felicity's popularity to attach new characters to in order to launch more spin offs. I want her to date and have a life outside of Team Arrow and Oliver but why can't it just be a normal guy who's not actually a superhero/vigilante in his own right? 

[TwistedandBored]

Soo happy Sara is back. I hope she is not back only to be killed off!

[stormborn]

 

Also, I miss Oliver's Wicked Witch of the West eyepaint so much.

 

I miss it too. I hated the mask idea from the get-go. The dark greasepaint fit in with Oliver's whole dark and broody vigilante vibe. Also Stephen looked really hot with it on. 

[Morrigan2575]

If they wanted to kill Sara off they would have done it in 223. I don't know WTF they have planned but I can't see why they would bring her back just to kill her off.

[Starfish35]

So that confirms the Canadagraphs photo was of Caity, but my question now is...for how long? I too am worried about her coming back just to be killed off. :(

[JenMD]

From the TV Guide article linked above:

 

Will Felicity ever make her way over to The Flash? — Manuel
"That's our hope," executive producer Greg Berlanti tells me. "Our hope is to get some crossovers going sooner rather than later with all the shows." Interestingly enough, the producers had discussed the possibility of Felicity and Barry dating across shows — a la Lindsay and Severide on the Chicago shows — but it sounds like they have something else in mind. "We have all sorts of romantic possibilities for both of them on both shows," he says. "Hopefully the first time Felicity comes to town, we'll deal with all that stuff."

 

Certainly sounds better than what Kristen had up earlier (@statsgirl, heh, "Wrongda", that takes me back).  The past tense certainly helps, but ugh, just leave everybody to the romantic trials and tribulations on their own shows, please.  I know crossovers are inevitable, but it just doesn't seem like it would be at all sustainable to attempt a cross show romantic storyline between these two shows, of any permutation of characters.

[stormborn]

 

If they wanted to kill Sara off they would have done it in 223. I don't know WTF they have planned but I can't see why they would bring her back just to kill her off.

 

I'm of the same mind as well. Killing Sara off so early in the season will accomplish nothing as far as I'm concerned. I do fear for her later on in the season but if they bring her back just to off her well then they're not only dumb but also self-destructive. 

 

Flash/Arrow love triangles or love squares or love hexagons are a sure-fired way to ensure the failure of The Flash and the destruction of Arrow's success. Crossovers are inevitable and welcomed but just leave everyone to their own complicated love lives on their own respective shows please. 

Edited July 16, 2014 by stormborn

[apinknightmare]

From the TV Guide article linked above:

 

 

Certainly sounds better than what Kristen had up earlier (@statsgirl, heh, "Wrongda", that takes me back).  The past tense certainly helps, but ugh, just leave everybody to the romantic trials and tribulations on their own shows, please.  I know crossovers are inevitable, but it just doesn't seem like it would be at all sustainable to attempt a cross show romantic storyline between these two shows, of any permutation of characters.

 

On the one hand, I want them all to stop talking. On the other, I like preparing myself for disappointment, just in case.

Edited July 16, 2014 by apinknightmare

[writersblock51]

On the one hand, I want them all to stop talking. On the other, I like preparing myself for disappointment, just in case.

And that, right there, defines my love-hate relationship with spoilers.

 

While I agree that bringing Sara back only to kill her off doesn't make sense, I also think this show has no fear of doing that if they think it will add to Oliver's manpain, shock fans and generate buzz.  I hope the show doesn't fridge anyone in S3 for Oliver's manpain account but I'm not optimistic.  After all, Shado's death seemed like a blip compared to how Moira died, then Oliver finding out about Isabel's connection to his father, and losing his company, home and sister in one day.  The capacity for what Oliver is expected to handle is immense, according to this show. 

I don't think they will kill off Thea or Felicity, but pretty much everyone else (including Diggle) is fair game at this point, IMO.  And Sara dying this season would have rippling effects on Oliver, Quentin, Felicity, Laurel and Sin.  I think the show will wait until sweeps or something if they decide to kill her off.  But I think there's a target, none the less. More so than last year, in retrospect.

[abhi]

But if they are doing Sara's flashbacks, it would be silly to kill Sara off and end the flashbacks abruptly, especially if we get to look at Ra's through her flashbacks and Ra's becomes the main villain in Season 4.

On that note, I don't think Ra's will be the big bad in Season 3. He will be gradually introduced in this season (if he is coming) just like Deathstroke was introduced in Season 1 and will take full form in Season 4. For Season 3, we might not have a big villain at the same level of Deathstroke. But since this person is connected to Oliver's flashbacks, therefore he will know the real identity of Arrow,

[Sakura12]

They really have trouble keeping Caity Lotz's appearances a secret, don't they. 

 

I waited all last season for Sara's death, so I really don't feel like doing that again. I can see them having Sara die helping Oliver (to add to his manpain) and Ra's will blame him for upsetting his daughter and come after him. 

[HighwayFlower]

It's also confirmed that the second episode is called Sara... I still have a bad feeling that when an episode is named after you, it's your last....

Edited July 16, 2014 by HighwayFlower

[Sakura12]

I'm guessing we'll get the Sara in Nanda Parbat flashbacks, meet Ra's or a shadow of a man that will be Ra's and the Sara death watch 2014/15 will begin. And again the 2013/14 one was not a fun one for me. 

[foreverevolving]

It's also confirmed that the second episode is called Sara... 

it is? where?

[HighwayFlower]

Tweet from GreenArrow TV

[Sakura12]

On Green Arrow Tv

http://www.greenarrowtv.com/arrow-episode-3-2-title-confirmed/17997

[Starfish35]

It's also confirmed that the second episode is called Sara... I still have a bad feeling that when an episode is named after you, it's your last....

Yeah, me too. :(

[writersblock51]

If ever there was a death knoll for a character, it would be that.  Yikes.

 

Sara Death Watch Season 3 - not anyting I want to go through.  I like her (though not as a regular on the show or team) plenty, and I think the show could benefit from her occasional appearances.  Especially if Nyssa shows up, too. 

 

But her death would be bad, especially since so much time has been spent on her character.  Why would they do that?  We've learned more about her than anyone else except for Oliver.    Perhaps we'll hear about the number of episodes she'll be in OR if she's recurring/regular soon.

[HighwayFlower]

They will probably have her with the LOA and therefore as an enemy of Oliver's. Then somehow she will die saving Laurel and Laurel will become Black Canary to avenge her and I will go vomit.

[Starfish35]

So here's my speculation now based on that.

So they don't kill off Sara at the end of season 2 - why? Maybe because everyone expected it. Or maybe they wanted to be able to see the immediate fallout instead of doing the "five months later" thing. For whatever reason, they bring her back and kill her off early in season three to kick start Laurel's journey, which plays out over season three. So instead of Laurel starting the season as Black Canary, she starts off in a normal place, working at the DA's office, dad all healed up, life is good, and then her sister comes back to town and somehow is killed, which starts her down the road to BC. Which is what everyone predicted - it's just that it's happening at the beginning of the season instead of the end.

Just a guess - I really really hope I'm wrong. But naming an episode "Sara"? Really really ominous sounding to me. Please please someone convince me I'm wrong. :(

Edited July 16, 2014 by Starfish35

[abhi]

I think we will be seeing Sara's flashbacks when she was rescued by Nyssa and maybe Ra's al Ghul will be introduced in this episode. I really don't want to think about Sara dying and I don't think she will be dying any time soon. Her flashbacks will just be starting. Besides, if Laurel is still the DA in 3x01 she would be super busy to train and stuff which would mean that even Thea would kick her ass. No way is Laurel going to be Black Canary.

Edited July 16, 2014 by abhi

[pootlus]

I don't remember where I saw this but I'm positive SA said he preferred the paint to the mask.

I do too, but the mask is way more practical. Probably blocks his vision though which is why he's not a fan.

why aren't they talking about their precious?

Ahahaha, now every time I see KC I'm going to hear Andy Serkis going "My precious....my role, my superhero, it will be mine, oh yes."

Ah, Wrongda, I remember her from the Buffy days. She was notoriously crap then too.

 

Just a guess - I really really hope I'm wrong. But naming an episode "Sara"? Really really ominous sounding to me. Please please someone convince me I'm wrong. :(

Unfortunately I fear you are all too right.

I just don't know how they think this is a good idea in any way, shape or form. It'd take a miracle for them to be able to pull this off given what they're losing (Caity) and 'gaining' (Katie) in the BC role, and it's not like the showrunners have shown themselves particularly skilled thus far.

[Orion]

I don't think they would kill off Sara that soon in s3 and naming the episode after her is a pretty big tell to give away in July. With Sara's death you lose LOA and Nyssa story potential. It makes more sense to kill her at the end of S3 and have Laurel leave with Nyssa for the 5 month hiatus to train so she can avenge Sara. Or to kill Nyssa and give Ra's a reason to want Oliver dead. There was a line in S2 where Oliver tells Diggle that if Sara kills Nyssa then Ra's would kill them all or something to that effect. I always thought that was foreshadowing.

I just really don't want multiple Lances taking over the story like they did at the end of S2. One or two of them in the arrow cave, in flashbacks, in the fight for QC story, in the actions scenes. I can't take that again.

Ah maybe Sara comes back to tell laurel she needs her jacket back. *g*