Nashville Spoilers and Speculation

[Clemgo3165]

I'm crossing my fingers that the bulk of the defensiveness is coming from guilt and her telling him she would never come to hear him play at the bar just as he was leaving - that was a little harsh even if her reasons make some sense. Why didn't she say this to him earlier since they'd obviously talked about it before? And too she said after Bev's funeral that she knew he hadn't been drinking after his little accusation, but now it comes out that she really IS afraid he'll drink again. She has every right to be afraid, but the time to get into that conversation isn't just as your SO is heading out the door. He needs to own his mistakes, but she needs to own her feelings in a way that can create a productive conversation.

I think she'll show up, but I'm hoping he'll acknowledge her fear and the part where he sprang it on her without talking first. Sadly, I don't think they will get into the issue of trust because that would take too much time for the 30 or so second scenes they've been allowing for D/R.

He really needs to be talking to someone about Bev's death because he isn't dealing with it so well, I don't know who would honestly. But he needs some help to move on and Rayna just can't provide that this time.

[madam magpie]

She said it right as he left because these writers don't believe that real life and real people can be interesting. It always has to be the most extreme everything. I would really like to see Rayna have major trust issues here. It's totally unrealistic to me if she doesn't because they've never actually had even a short conversation about the drinking. They both seem to be pretending that it's all cured...until something like this happens and Rayna gets scared and Deacon gets defensive. I wish she'd just flat-out tell him that she's scared he's going to start drinking again, even if she mostly believes he won't. What she said was that she couldn't go. She can't face it, which has been Rayna's MO since the beginning. Her reaction would be visceral, not logical. And I wish Deacon would actually own his addiction and tell her the truth, which is something like, "I can't promise I won't ever drink again. That's empty. But I can promise to get up every morning and bust my ass not to do it that day." The bar is totally irrelevant. It's just the thing that exposes the real problem, which is that Rayna loves him fiercely but she doesn't completely trust him not to wreck her again. I don't blame her for that, and he's got to let go of his "you gave up on me" nonsense. He actually deserved for her to give up on him. Walking away from him was the healthy option. So it's like he's blaming her for saving herself, and absolving his own failings in the process, every time he says that. Rayna did a lot of screwy stuff, but this particular thing is all on Deacon.

Edited November 6, 2015 by madam magpie

[pattycat]

I have a friend that works for Hospice.

It's a job, I cant imagine doing. Bless those that can!

Grief counseling is an important service they offer. My friend has said that helping survivors deal with all kinds of guilt issues,is very common.

Deacon would not only have feelings of guilt that his Sister died, before they could resolve things between them, she died giving him a piece of her liver, because alcoholism, destroyed his.

That has to be an Oceanliner of guilt!

[pattycat]

I guess we'll see how it goes next Wednesday, eh?

At least, I don't think either one of them will be falling off a roof, I Hope not, anyway!

[airwair]

I see both sides of this argument. Rayna has every right to be concerned, but I don't think she brought it to the table properly here. Her saying to him "I'll never come see you play ever" is absurd to me and kind of reminds me of a five year old taking their ball and going home.

Was investing in the bar smart? Probably not. But to boycott it and by default boycott him and the way he is choosing to memorialize his sister (however bad it may be) does not seem to be the most efficient way to handle it on her end and expect healthy results from him.

As far as he goes, as naive as it is, I think he honestly believes that he can put the drink down just like that because of the whole "this is my dead sister's liver" thing. And because he honestly believes that, I can see why he has zero comprehension of why she is so concerned and instead looks uncaring and like she has no faith in him.

Between the two of them, I can't fault Maddie for her perpetual self-involved, childish behavior. It comes fairly natural to her, it seems.

[madam magpie]

Rayna didn't say she would never go see him play ever. She said she didn't think she could go into the bar. I don't think she was taking any kind of moral high ground. It sounded to me like she was saying, "I can't cope with this. It's too raw and scary." If Deacon loves her, the only response to that is compassion, which I expect he'll come around to...right after she feels guilty because he said she abandoned him, sucks it up, and goes to the bar.

Part of addiction is denial. Deacon continues to do that, and for him to really beat the drinking, he has to change that behavior. Usually he comes around in the end. I can't actually even think of an example where he didn't come back to her eventually. But the knee jerk automatic denial gets old after awhile. For Rayna, dealing with that every time there's a disagreement or she feels nervous because of the drinking would be exhausting and hurtful. She's got to be able to say she's worried about it, and he's got to take it and reassure her. Just like I think she has to do with him over Maddie.

Edited November 6, 2015 by madam magpie

[airwair]

I also took it to mean she would never enter the bar, but then went the extra inch and assumed it would also mean any time he takes the stage there (I'm assuming that will happen fairly often given that this place seems to be replacing the Bluebird as the prime venue of the series) she won't be in the audience supporting him.

I think neither of them know how to act like adults and that's very clear in his naivety to his disease as well as the absurd ways he is handling his grief and in the ways she picks and chooses when she wants to have confidence in him and lift him up ("Rayna, I'm sick." "Please don't say that! You can do this!") or when she wants to throw it in his face how dangerous his disease is and how easily he could fall.

[airwair]

*and I make my assumption about this bar replacing the Bluebird because all casting notices for pretty much every episode past the one where he buys in call for Bevery patrons, Beverly sound techs, Beverly bartenders, Beverly this, Beverly that, etc. with no mention of the Bluebird.

Pure speculation, but I'm wondering if something contractual with the Bluebird fell through and that's why they went down this storyline.

[madam magpie]

When did she ever throw his disease in face or say he'd fail? I don't remember any of that. This show is terrible with a lot of things...A LOT...but for the most part, they do a decent job with the addiction storyline. Rayna is really, really afraid of Deacon drinking...that's it. Everything she's ever done that seems unsupportive or questionable is related to that. That's realistic. She doesn't trust his sobriety. It's too raw and scary. Sure, the implication is that she won't ever go see him play at the bar. And like a good defensive addict, that's all Deacon heard. But he should know better than to think that of her. The only other times she's ever not gone to see him play were when she was trying not to sleep with him. If she's not going to see him play, something much bigger is afoot. This is not new.

He's the one who made her this way. She's got to figure out a better way to communicate her fears for sure, but damn. She's scared because Deacon kicked her with the booze over and over for years. He needs to man up.

I'd be surprised if there were an issue with the Bluebird. It's possible, but would surprise me. Maybe the licensing fee is high, so the show is trying to save money? But even that seems odd because of the publicity the club gets.

Edited November 6, 2015 by madam magpie

[Clemgo3165]

She pretty much said she couldn't go into that bar so the logical next step is that she would never see him play in the bar that for him is so personal, a way to honor his sister. That negates the faith she said she had in him just after the funeral and in some ways could be seen as negating his efforts to honor his sister. 

 

From the promo it really looked like he was blindsided by her comment. He seemed under the impression that all was happy snappy between the two of them when it really wasn't. Hitting him with this when he didn't have time to talk would make a lot of people lash out, least of all a recovering alcoholic on a crusade to turn his sister into a saint. That's the writing, writing for drama instead of real life.

 

But honestly, if Rayna can't come to a point where she is relatively secure in Deacon's sobriety then she needs to let him know that. It's not fair to either one of them or to the girls to have him there if she's always going to be questioning. 

 

She has the right to be fearful about this bar experiment, but she also needs to tell him that point blank. Just like he needed to have spoken with her before committing to the bar buy-in. And now he needs to own up to the fact that as secure as he feels in his sobriety right now, he still needs help to stay on the right track. But virtually 15 years of sobriety ain't nothing. He's proven that he can work the program and stay away from the booze, even in a bar, and he deserves a little respect for that.

 

I really didn't see "have a little faith in me" as manipulation (though I don't know anybody who is an alcoholic so there's that), but I did see his remark that he was trying to honor his sister as such. You know, she has to excuse him for buying into this bar without her knowledge, consent, or input because it's for his sister and so it doesn't matter if he'll be surrounded by alcohol or off doing his own thing all the time. I would think realistically that now is the time his sobriety would be at greatest risk - he's been through a lot of changes in the last few months - cancer, a transplant, moving in with Rayna and the girls, parenting, and his sister's death after giving him part of her liver and now he's on the other side. Figuring out where to go from here is a challenge but especially so for someone who has his poor coping skills. They both need to communicate fairly and clearly with each other.

 

I'd be surprised if there were an issue with the Bluebird too. The actors are still playing there live, I think somebody has a set at the Bluebird coming up soon even. I think the Beverly is a way to 1) create some drama for Rayna and Deacon, 2) create a little community for Deacon beyond Rayna and the girls, 3) get him back to playing music regularly since his spot at the Bluebird is gone, and 4) a way to funnel artists into Hwy 65 eventually. 

 

 

I think neither of them know how to act like adults and that's very clear in his naivety to his disease as well as the absurd ways he is handling his grief

 

I don't think you can label the way he's handling his grief as "absurd." We all handle grief differently and while Deacon's coping skills are not ideal, none of us has been in his situation so it's probably best not to judge how he's dealing with it.

[madam magpie]

Rayna needs to be honest, yes, but Deacon has never really allowed her the space to do that, even now. I'll admit that I have no idea what the writers are thinking, but to me, it looks like she never feels like she can say anything. She has to be nothing but positive or he claims she has no faith him. He did it back in season one when they fought about Sparkly Pants and when they fought in his yard about her bailing after the fifth rehab, he did it when he vanished after the thing with Megan and she went looking for him at the cabin, he's doing it in that promo, and he snapped at her when she asked him where he'd been a few weeks ago. The only time he heard her was in that "I wanted to be your wife" fight.

I have very little sympathy for Deacon here because it looks like he's sending off the vibe that she is simply no longer allowed to fear the addiction. But yeah, this is exactly the kind of time that he could fall off the wagon. Thirteen years and two years sober are both everything and nothing. I think Rayna knows that, but Deacon's not acting like he does. Every time he hits her with "you don't believe in me," she caves, so he throws it at her in a fight. I do consider that manipulation. Like Rayna needed to fully own the lie about Maddie (and which the writers never really made her do), Deacon needs to fully own this. She's like this because of what he did to her and to them. The correlation is clear. So he's the one I expect to be the bigger person and talk her off the ledge. Sure, her timing was bad. So what? The timing of the Maddie reveal was bad too. That doesn't absolve Rayna of anything, and it doesn't absolve Deacon here either, I don't think. I love Deacon, I really, really do. But I would never be able to date him. He's way too volatile. I think that's part of what Rayna struggles with, and for her, it's all wrapped up in the drinking.

I don't know that I'd label his grief absurd, but as entertainment, I'm really, really, REALLY tired of it.

[Clemgo3165]

Oh believe me, I'm way past the Canonization of Beverly tour. Way over it. But I don't think the way he's grieving is absurd, not at all. I just don't want to watch it anymore.

 

Hopefully we're beyond the fifth rehab convo after the porch scene. I do think he gets that. And when you think about it, during those times you mentioned in the first paragraph, he wasn't drinking. I don't remember the conversation about Sparkly Pants, I do remember the fight in his yard that came right after she fired him for not remaining calm in the face of Teddy and Lamar's very personal attacks, and he had gone to the cabin after Megan and spent a good bit of time tearing the place apart looking for that hidden bottle so he could pour it out - but she came there with Luke as protection and immediately accused him of drinking again. And in none of these instances did she have any real investment in his life other than initially as her bandleader. It's not up to her to make sure he stays sober and I think she's still in that headspace where she feels like that's her responsibility and it just isn't. And for him it just comes off as her not trusting him. And while I get where she's coming from, at some point she just has to trust him to manage that part of his life himself.

 

I don't get the vibe that she is no longer allowed to fear the addiction from him at all, frankly I think he believes that they are past that which was why he was so snippy when she asked where he was a few weeks ago. (That and he was just plain angry at the world in general.) She hasn't really shown any fear since that time after the break up with Megan and has been pretty understanding with his full out grieving process, so I think this one came out of left field for him.

 

I think Deacon does know that his sobriety could to go to hell, but we've seen him being proactive in handling that with Bev's death - taking himself to a meeting, multiple visits with his sponsor, etc. Though the belief that he's never going to drink again because of Bev's liver is like me saying I'll never eat chocolate again because of "Fed Up." Nice idea, but not reality. That's where I'd be worried if I were Rayna, that and his guilt and being stuck in this need to lionize Bev. He needs a counselor stat!

 

I don't see Deacon as being absolved of anything because of the timing, but as he was heading out the door was not the time to get an "OK, let's sit down and talk this out" reaction from him. And that's what they need to do, have a real conversation about how this is going to work (or not work) going forward. Because without the trust the relationship won't work. She needs to let go and he needs to be more communicative and inclusive with her so that she feels free to be open about her concerns before things come to a head.

[madam magpie]

I'd argue that at no point did Rayna and Deacon have little investment in each other's lives, and that they both always knew it. I'd also argue that when she spoke to Maddie about Deacon being an alcoholic after he'd bailed on the guitar lessons AND then she went looking for him at the cabin after he left the Opry AND she asked him not to leave her anymore, she was showing her fear of the drinking and her mistrust of his sobriety. Rayna doesn't logically believe she'll find him drunk at the cabin, but she still seems to fear it to me.

I also don't think Rayna brought Luke to the cabin as protection. She brought him mostly because he was there. Luke did that, but Rayna never really seemed scared of Deacon and then she sent Luke outside. I do totally get why Deacon was crushed by that, though, and even if it wasn't intentional, it was a bit of a betrayal on Rayna's part. It did eventually lead to the only time he really seemed to hear her, though.

I'd love a real conversation too, but the writers rarely give them the time to do that anymore, so...you know...I don't hold my breath.

For what it's worth, the fight in the yard wasn't about Rayna firing him. He brought that up briefly, but the fight followed his failed tour with the Revel Kings. The guy was attacking Scarlett so Deacon beat him up and then quit. Then an article came out saying he'd been drinking and been fired, which was untrue. (I think he slept with the reporter or something.) Rayna came over to check on him after reading the article and they fought. There, she flat-out told him that seeing him all worked up scared her, she cried about never knowing if he was drunk or dead in the old days, and he lashed out at her for that. He also brought up being mad at her for failing him by way of encouraging him to go out on the Revel Kings tour in the first place (during that other great conversation by the river a couple of episodes prior) and then marrying Teddy. It ended with him sneering at her, "then don't do it," after she said conversations like this made her not want to "do this" with him anymore.

Sparkly Pants was when Rayna was soooooooooooo fabulously jealous of Deacon working with Juliette, and then she freaked out about doing their old songs on tour. He threw at her that she'd know the songs could be done if she'd ever come see him play, they screamed at each other, and she stormed out. Then she caved, they played at the Bluebird, and it became obvious that she was staying away because she was trying not to sleep with him, which she basically admitted to him later in the park. Another fantastic exchange.

(I've been rewatching season one, and holy hell...it's so great. Rayna and Deacon have fights/conversations that last two or three full minutes!)

Edited November 6, 2015 by madam magpie

[Clemgo3165]

So have I and I've realized how much I miss those real interactions. Everything is so much on the surface these days and it leaves people like us having to make inferences into the character's motivations because the writers can't be bothered to show them on the screen. I was so excited last week that there was an actual sex scene between them - he unbuttoned her shirt, she unbuttoned his, you saw naked skin and everything. I miss that. Sigh...

 

She still seems to fear that loss of sobriety to me too - or at least at times she does. She seemed very matter-of-fact in her conversation with Maddie to me, and at the cabin when he said he was sick she immediately went to the alcoholism and said they could work through it. I just think that as a character, if Rayna is that afraid of him taking a drink again then she needs to decide if this is what she really wants. 

[madam magpie]

I do think he's what she wants. I've never questioned that, actually. And I like that she's finally accepted it. But I agree that she needs to confront how scared she is of losing him. I mean, what will she do if he does start drinking again? I really want to know. Has she even thought about it? And if not, how is that possible?

And he's the same way about her, honestly, just about different things. What if one of them died?? I feel like the other would just totally collapse. And if Rayna died, good lord. Deacon would lose his mind. Who would look after the kids? They just seem like such an unhealthy pair sometimes.

Then again, I've never really been in love like that, so what do I know? Didn't Johnny Cash only last a couple of months after June Carter died? That broken heart thing is real, but damn. Get it together while you're both alive at least!

Wait...they had a sex scene last week??! I swear, I miss everything!

Edited November 6, 2015 by madam magpie

[Clemgo3165]

They had a sex scene on AXS last week, one from the first season after she showed up on his doorstep. Such a good scene, longer than a few seconds, and we didn't have to watch through a window either ;)

[airwair]

Perhaps "absurd" is a poor choice of wording in real life because we do all experience grief and react in a myriad of ways, but as this is a TV drama, I am absolutely tired of martyring Beverly and having him ugly cry at every corner and then go buy into a bar and name it after her.

We are headed into episode 7 and her name is STILL coming up.

And she didn't even really do the transplant because she wanted to, she did it because Rayna put her in a tough spot and she could come out looking like a hero. (I'm still convinced she's the one who leaked the cancer to the press.)

One of my favorite moments from last week was when the hair salon biddie touched Scarlett by telling her that her mother would always come in bragging about her. Of course she would, because someone as narcissistic and manipulative as Beverly knows better than go out in public and talk about how they're so jealous they have to join said daughter on tour and pinch her arm, call her names, and back her against a wall hurling insults.

Meanwhile, instead of remembering this, Scarlett is going to have her hair cut like Beverly's in tribute and we are supposed to see that as moving.

I get that soap operas will often send someone who dies into Sainthood but this is beyond ridiculous. That's what I meant when I called his grief "absurd."

(Hey, Lamar got a murder rap and Jason got a rape allegation. Where's their 7-ep sainthood?!)

[airwair]

She pretty much said she couldn't go into that bar so the logical next step is that she would never see him play in the bar that for him is so personal, a way to honor his sister. That negates the faith she said she had in him just after the funeral and in some ways could be seen as negating his efforts to honor his sister.

From the promo it really looked like he was blindsided by her comment. He seemed under the impression that all was happy snappy between the two of them when it really wasn't. Hitting him with this when he didn't have time to talk would make a lot of people lash out, least of all a recovering alcoholic on a crusade to turn his sister into a saint. That's the writing, writing for drama instead of real life.

But honestly, if Rayna can't come to a point where she is relatively secure in Deacon's sobriety then she needs to let him know that. It's not fair to either one of them or to the girls to have him there if she's always going to be questioning.

She has the right to be fearful about this bar experiment, but she also needs to tell him that point blank. Just like he needed to have spoken with her before committing to the bar buy-in. And now he needs to own up to the fact that as secure as he feels in his sobriety right now, he still needs help to stay on the right track. But virtually 15 years of sobriety ain't nothing. He's proven that he can work the program and stay away from the booze, even in a bar, and he deserves a little respect for that.

I really didn't see "have a little faith in me" as manipulation (though I don't know anybody who is an alcoholic so there's that), but I did see his remark that he was trying to honor his sister as such. You know, she has to excuse him for buying into this bar without her knowledge, consent, or input because it's for his sister and so it doesn't matter if he'll be surrounded by alcohol or off doing his own thing all the time. I would think realistically that now is the time his sobriety would be at greatest risk - he's been through a lot of changes in the last few months - cancer, a transplant, moving in with Rayna and the girls, parenting, and his sister's death after giving him part of her liver and now he's on the other side. Figuring out where to go from here is a challenge but especially so for someone who has his poor coping skills. They both need to communicate fairly and clearly with each other.

This.

[Clemgo3165]

Perhaps "absurd" is a poor choice of wording in real life because we do all experience grief and react in a myriad of ways, but as this is a TV drama, I am absolutely tired of martyring Beverly and having him ugly cry at every corner and then go buy into a bar and name it after her.

We are headed into episode 7 and her name is STILL coming up.

And she didn't even really do the transplant because she wanted to, she did it because Rayna put her in a tough spot and she could come out looking like a hero. (I'm still convinced she's the one who leaked the cancer to the press.)

One of my favorite moments from last week was when the hair salon biddie touched Scarlett by telling her that her mother would always come in bragging about her. Of course she would, because someone as narcissistic and manipulative as Beverly knows better than go out in public and talk about how they're so jealous they have to join said daughter on tour and pinch her arm, call her names, and back her against a wall hurling insults.

Meanwhile, instead of remembering this, Scarlett is going to have her hair cut like Beverly's in tribute and we are supposed to see that as moving.

I get that soap operas will often send someone who dies into Sainthood but this is beyond ridiculous. That's what I meant when I called his grief "absurd."

(Hey, Lamar got a murder rap and Jason got a rape allegation. Where's their 7-ep sainthood?!)

Oh I'm totally with you on all of this then. These writers really have no sense of timing, dragging out stories for way too long and then not going deep when they really need to. I mean Teddy watched his own daughter's grandfather die in his office, we mourned and watched Rayna throw a vase she was so upset, and then nothing, absolutely nothing.

I knew Scarlett was cutting her hair, but I had no idea she was doing it because of Bev. Good Lord, maybe there's a group discount in therapy?

[madam magpie]

Do you all really think Scarlett will cut her hair?? I feel like I've seen photos recently of Clare Bowen with her normal hair, so feel like that's got to be a fake-out.

[Clemgo3165]

I think she actually does and have been wondering how they manage Clare's mane.

[airwair]

She really does. I read that it's in the sides and in the promo Gunnar says that she "cut her hair and turned crazy" or something.

I too have been wondering how they are managing to fit Clare's hair into a Beverly wig. Supposedly she takes mommy dearest's old head shot in and says "do this." I'm hoping they change that part and she just gets a nice Taylor Swift lob because if there is one more heart wrenching Beverly tribute I may vomit.

Edited November 7, 2015 by airwair

[madam magpie]

Now I'm intrigued. More by how they'll fit all of Clare's hair under a wig than anything.

Also, this is so dumb.

[airwair]

You'd think based on status quo that they will excavate her corpse so she can attend Deacon and Rayna's wedding, assuming they ever have one.

Or, at the very least, I'm anticipating an empty chair with a rose or a framed portrait at the altar a la Bruce Willis in Armageddon.

Gag me.

[pattycat]

I don't think the problem with the Beverly storyline, is so much, how anyone is grieving, as it is, that they have to grieve, at all.

Once the writers decided to kill Bev off, they pretty much locked themselves into needing to show the guilt and grief,

That Deacon and Scarlett felt. Otherwise, both, Deacon especially, would have looked horribly shallow and selfish.

"Thanks for the liver Bev. Sorry you had to bite the big one, but, we've all got to go sometime, toodles"!

Pointless now, but, couldn't they have sent her to "Aunt Patsy in Tacoma land"?

You know what I mean. She survived the surgery, but, needed extensive rehab. She decides she wants to be close to home and her friends, for that. Deacon and Scarlett set her up, in a state of the art facility. The family visits her, regularly and off screen. We get updates on her condition, which, we pay, basically no attention to. Eventually, she fades into storyline oblivion!

[Soup333]

At this rate they should just get married at THE Beverly with Bev's old demo playing as Rayna walks down the aisle.

[airwair]

At this rate they should just get married at THE Beverly with Bev's old demo playing as Rayna walks down the aisle.

I wouldn't put it past them. At all.

It's happening.

Then after the wedding her portrait can hang in the bedroom where the girls used to hang.

Edited November 7, 2015 by airwair

[madam magpie]

At this rate they should just get married at THE Beverly with Bev's old demo playing as Rayna walks down the aisle.

Dear god, please no.

[Sutton]

Oh, please guys don't give the writers any ideas. I really would like to see an old fashion wedding like at the cabin, just Deacon, Rayna, the girls, Scarlett, Watty White, maybe Tandy, and a minister to seal the vows. No Bev, no picture or song, just a small private ceremony, SOON please.

[smiley13]

I think Deacon buying into the bar has the potential for some good stories.  Deacon performed in a bar, The Bluebird, for years according to the back story when the series started.  Why should this bar be a problem when The Bluebird was not?

[madam magpie]

The Bluebird isn't really a bar, though. It's a music venue. The vibe there is music, not booze. Sure they serve drinks, but that not its point. Most restaurants serve drinks too. Playing or hanging out in a bar is a totally different environment.

There's alcohol pretty much everywhere. For an alcoholic, there's no trouble getting liquor. But if you don't seek it out, for many people, that's easier. Deacon flat-out said to the bar owner (Frank?) that he was impressed the guy could work in a bar as an alcoholic, and there's truth in that. For the drunk, environment plays a huge role. That's why Deacon sought out a meeting during that small bar tour he did in season two. It's often hard for an alcoholic to be in a bar.

None of that means he can't do it, but it's not just nothing, and it makes sense why Rayna would worry. It's denial for Deacon not to even acknowledge it.

Edited November 8, 2015 by madam magpie

[airwair]

I believe the premise is he's going to turn it into a venue. He is going to renovate it in the next couple of episodes and will be playing there often. Will is also slated to play there. Scarlett and Gunnar are there at some point but I'm not sure if they're playing. Deacon apparently also says something to Rayna about making it a refuge for artists like Beverly or some nonsense.

His vision for the place is definitely Bluebird-esque with a focus on the music and not so much the happy hour.

There hasn't been a mention of the Bluebird in the sides in a long while and given that pretty much everyone is hanging out at Deacon's place now is why I am under the impression the Bluebird is on the back burner for some reason. Just don't know why.

[pattycat]

OK. If anyone doesn't want MAJOR Spoilers, for Episodes 11/12, Do NOT read on.

The major Spoiler is. SPOILER WARNING:

Rayna and Deacon Marry!!! Apparently, they'll honeymoon at the cabin. Wedding venue, I don't know.

I've read that Tandy will appear. Scarlett and Gunnar will sing, When The Right One Comes Along.

From what I've read, it sounds pretty much, "Going To Happen," but of course, do we ever know for sure?

I'm Hoping, yes!

[slasherboy]

Aw, I was coming in to spoil everybody about The Wedding but you beat me to it.  Yep, it appears it's going to happen.

 

The Wedding will be especially sentimental for me because Gunnar sang "When the Right One Comes Along" the very first time I worked as a background actor on this show, season one, at the Bluebird.   Beautiful song.

 

le sigh.....

[airwair]

I moved out of state so I can't be on set anymore but I signed my dad up for the wedding scene.

He looked at me like I'm crazy but this event is too huge for me to not at least have someone representing. Ha.

[pattycat]

I wonder where they're getting married at, and how big an event it will be?

Can't wait.

And NO cake smashing, please!

[madam magpie]

Sounds like it could be a huge event, which is disappointing. I imagined a small, intimate wedding for them. But I read about casting calls for extended family and guests.

[Bort]

Oh, so does that mean Tandy gets to come out of the box they've had her stashed in?

[madam magpie]

Word on the street is that Tandy will be back.

[Stella MD]

They're honeymooning at their own cabin? Guess the set budget has really been slashed.

[DeLurker]

I moved out of state so I can't be on set anymore but I signed my dad up for the wedding scene.

He looked at me like I'm crazy but this event is too huge for me to not at least have someone representing. Ha.

Dad must love you LOTS!

[pattycat]

I think honeymooning at their cabin is actually a great idea.

It's such a special place for them, So much history!

I'm guessing, if you've had a fairly recent major organ transplant, you'd want to be pretty careful about traveling. At the very least, you'd want to be somewhere near major medical care, in case anything went awry.

[CofCinci]

Any Juliette and Avery spoilers?

[Wilco]

Also very interested in Juliette/Avery spoilers but don't think we'll get anything for awhile. Isn't Hayden Panettiere still on leave from the show?

 

Am assuming that it will be awhile before they show Juliette interacting with many or any of the cast until well after  she returns. And when she does- and am sure hoping it is soon- I imagine it would be one on one conversations perhaps with her therapists and then maybe the occasional individual visits from maybe Emily or Glenn or Deacon. I imagine would be easier to film those scenes with just HP and another actor and incorporate them into later episodes, depending on when she comes back.  Would like to see how the show manages showing her recovery- will they show her actually talking it out with doctors and with others (her own therapeutic apology tour) or will they just forward her back into the mix of the show all healed? Welcome any comments from those in the know.

Am also interested in any known Avery and Layla spoilers. Am assuming that they put them together at some point if only professionally. But have a feeling they will somehow have scenes together and develop some sort of emotional connection. Hope I am totally wrong on that as I usually am wrong with spoilers/speculation.

 

Not sure how or if, given HP's availability, they will go down the plot route of giving Juliette another love interest this season, but if they did, still think that might be Markus. But would love to be wrong on that as well.

 

Episode 9 is called "Three is a Crowd" and the press release specifically states that Markus will want to drop a song from his record and somehow Deacon is involved as well.

 

So glad they are NOT dragging out the Deacon/Rayna wedding. We really need some happiness on this show so hallelujah on that!

 

[slasherboy]

My only contribution to the "Juliette in rehab" story is that casting calls have twice gone out for women, high-class but still troubled, to be in rehab scenes.  I would guess that HP would be involved in those, but one of the calls came out after she took her leave.  Guess we'll find out!

[airwair]

Pretty sure the last one that came out involves Avery going visit and her refusing to see him.

She was heavy in tonight's episode before her departure (she left in the middle of filming)so they clearly just cut everything they'd already filmed so that we won't see her at all in rehab.

[Kathemy]

Alright from what I understand, Scarlett will go visit doctor Dull next episode to rekindle their "romance". I am assuming this won't go well and that she'll leave him the next episode thus she will be single for episode 11 which would be the wedding.

[airwair]

Bringing the general episode discussion here, I am 100% confident there will be no cheating.

I'm predicting a jealous blow up fight next week that may take on a life of its own and bring side issues into play that results in the two of them being at a crossroads.

Then we will spend all of episode 10 wondering if they're going to break up and right when they're on the bridge and we think Deacon is walking away (after watching her grind with Markus on stage all night) he pulls out a ring and they finally set a damn date.

Then obviously episode 11 is the big wedding event requiring multiple decoy vehicles, which is so far beyond what I had ever envisioned for their wedding but that's a whole other issue.

My whole reason for thinking they will have us guessing the whole time is because this show can't do anything quietly. It's 100% about shock value to these writers so setting a date has to come at a moment where we aren't expecting it--especially after they've been tense about Markus and we know she will be all flirty with him on stage while Deacon watches prior to their bridge conversation.

[madam magpie]

Ick.

Are you guessing/putting two and two together, or have you read sides or something to this effect?

Edited November 23, 2015 by madam magpie

[Ashley87]

A jealous blow-up fight? But what have they got to argue about that could possibly break them up? They've only just got back together. I really don't like the sound of this and hope it's just your prediction and not in the sides. But I agree that the writers of this show seem to like this kind of drama even to the detriment of their characters. Not looking forward to the next two episodes if this is how it's going to play out - but just hoping it's not as bad as that.