Nashville Spoilers and Speculation

[airwair]

My money is on alcoholic cardiomyopathy.

The season finale will be him waiting for a heart transplant. *headdesk*

REALLY?!

And knowing now that Juliette and Avery are getting married there's no way bliss will follow. It's sad and maybe a little unethical to demand this from Hayden but I'm convinced now more than ever Juliette will lose the baby.

[Quiche]

My money is on alcoholic cardiomyopathy.

The season finale will be him waiting for a heart transplant. *headdesk*

REALLY?!

And knowing now that Juliette and Avery are getting married there's no way bliss will follow. It's sad and maybe a little unethical to demand this from Hayden but I'm convinced now more than ever Juliette will lose the baby.

 

Is Hayden pregnant?  

 

It is hard to imagine that happily ever after is written in the cards for Juliette.  

[airwair]

Yes, Hayden is pregnant.

[madam magpie]

How about cirrhosis of the liver for Deacon?

[CofCinci]

It's sad and maybe a little unethical to demand this from Hayden but I'm convinced now more than ever Juliette will lose the baby.

I hope the writers/producers asked for Hayden's input during their "Kill the baby to torture Juliette and Avery even more" brainstorming session.  I'm sure it will be Emmy gold that will go larger ignored because for some reason Hayden doesn't get the accolades she deserves.

 

 

 

How about cirrhosis of the liver for Deacon?

Yep and he'll need a liver portion donated from a family member.  We have Maddie, Scarlett, Scarlett's Crazy Mother, Deacon's father and mother (are they still alive?) or perhaps a sane good-looking sibling we haven't heard about.  That gives us a few episodes and perhaps a fundraising concert with special guest stars for sweeps.

Edited October 19, 2014 by CofCinci

[Sutton]

Cirrhosis NO not that. My neighbor had it and you wouldn't believe all the medication he had to take to stop any rejection of having somebodies liver. Why Deacon? The spoiler says serious illness, what does that mean. A serious illness that means stay away from touring six months to a year and you'll be just fine. If they go down that path I put my money on Scarlett and Maddie. His parents are both dead and I don't think his sister has such a healthy liver either. Fantasizing here, wouldn't it be something if Rayna was a match.

[TVFAN]

I actually think an illness for Deacon could be a great story if done well.  He spent years abusing his body.  It's completely realistic to think he might have caused lasting harm.  The trick will be to make it realistic.  (He should consult with Hayden on that one.  Years and years ago when she played little Lizzie Spaulding on "Guiding Light," she absolutely shone in a leukemia storyline.)

 

And I think the writers should really shock everyone by letting Juliette and Avery have a happy, healthy baby.  That would be much less predictable than having her lose the baby. 

[hqtextbook]

How on earth are they going to get to married from "i wish i'd never met you"?? Avery is the worst right now. I find this hard to believe. 

[Clemgo3165]

Oh god, I really hope its not an alcohol related illness for Deacon. I hate the very idea of this storyline, regardless of what kind of illness it is, but I'd rather he just have a serious illness that any of us can get. Something requiring a bone marrow transplant would be fine. Ugh. Can't they come up with something better? Will they get Deacon and Rayna together only to have him die in the season (likely series) finale?

 

And Avery and Juliette getting married and finding happiness is a sure sign that she'll lose the baby. I hope Hayden's delivered her own little bundle of joy before she has to perform that scene.

[CofCinci]

I wonder if Avery and Juliette will marry in the same episode where Luke and Rayna are scheduled to marry as well. I can imagine Rayna calling off the wedding looking all sad and some sort of musical montage at the end where Juliette and Avery exit the courthouse all happy like.

[BBDi]

I guess I shouldn't work myself up to such a frenzy over the Jeff-signing-the-girls-to-his-label plotline. It's not going to happy, since I am sure Rayna will realize that this is in the works when she has her come-to-Jesus moment that her kids are going off the rails because she's too busy being Ruke. It just bugs me that the writers think we are so stupid that we would believe that it could happen.

[Clemgo3165]

 

How about cirrhosis of the liver for Deacon?

 

What I wonder if they go down that route is how they create any sympathy for Deacon with that storyline? A drunk who got himself sober and who has stayed that way for the better part of 14 years is someone you can sympathize with, but someone who drank himself to death really isn't. Maybe the gist is to kill all the love the audience has for the character, but I don't see how Rayna would be compelled to rush to his side or give an OK for Maddie to donate half a liver to him - or that he'd even want it from her.

[madam magpie]

What I wonder if they go down that route is how they create any sympathy for Deacon with that storyline? A drunk who got himself sober and who has stayed that way for the better part of 14 years is someone you can sympathize with, but someone who drank himself to death really isn't. Maybe the gist is to kill all the love the audience has for the character, but I don't see how Rayna would be compelled to rush to his side or give an OK for Maddie to donate half a liver to him - or that he'd even want it from her.

But he's a drunk who finally got sober who then STILL doesn't get the life he wants. It could be super tragic and everyone can feel bad for him. He's a little young for cirrhosis, but pesky details like that often don't matter on this show.

[slade3]

Thanks for sharing the spoilers. The only one I liked was "Rayna makes a bold decision" because I assume she's going to dump Luke.

 

The spoiler "With marriage on the cards for one couple, it comes as a surprise to learn that those walking down the isle[sic] are Avery and Juliette" makes me think Ruke won't happen.

 

The other spoilers annoy me because this means we have to sit through:

 

A) more Gunnar angst for no reason. Again. Why even introduce Kiley? So Gunnar knows Kiley cheated on him? Why? To bring him closer to Zoe? To Scarlett? Once again Gunnar gets a crappy, 3-episode storyline that fails to move his arc (if he has one) forward, or help him grow as a person.

B) more Avery & Juliette angst just so they can decide to get married? I hope these two can work it out, but I don't think I want to watch one, or both, of them grow resentful over this marriage and baby when they realize they can't tour/travel the way they used to. Avery hasn't even had a chance to shine yet.

C) a serious illness for Deacon. Where can they possibly take this? Deacon is morose when he's feeling well, why would we want to watch him recuperating from a serious illness? Especially if Rayna isn't going to nurse him back to health? (I suspect this is the way they plan to bring the two together, but I also suspect Deacon won't know Rayna coming back to him until the season finale.)

Edited October 20, 2014 by slade3

[pattycat]

Seems kind of strange that an alcohol related illness would strike Deacon now. He's fought so hard for his sobriety and stability.
He's been sober, with one brief slip for, going on 15 years.

I don't know why the audience would lose sympathy. Alcoholism is a terrible illness and it's a day to day lifelong battle. Certainly no one chooses it and there is a very strong genetic component in susceptibility..

If it's, alcohol related seems like he would have had symptoms long before now, but, hey, it's TV.

Chip is wonderful in the role, and if it's well written, it could give us some great scenes.

[Clemgo3165]

Alcoholism IS a terrible illness, but one which most people feel is largely in the hands of the alcoholic - he can just stop, right? I know that's not how addiction works, but I think many would feel that Deacon was getting his just desserts to battle cirrhosis. That's why I have trouble believing that the audience would be entirely sympathetic to his condition. And Rayna, certainly would have a hard time supporting him. Deacon himself wouldn't have Maddie give up part of her liver for him if he was dying from cirrhosis. Sure, it'd be tragic, but it'd be horribly clichéd no matter how well Chip handled the scenes. I'd be cringing every time he was on screen.

 

If we have to go through a major illness with him, which I hate in the first place, give him Lymphoma or something like that that Chip can use to fundraise for LLS, that creates some sympathy with the audience, and that would allow Maddie to come to his rescue without really risking her own health.

[jazzpno]

Deacon is morose when he's feeling well

 

 

I love the hell out of Deacon, but this literally made me laugh out loud! So true...at least for now!

[pattycat]

WOW, if addiction were as easy as "just stopping" the world wouldn't have lost so many amazing people over the years!

 

Let's hope the audience isn't judgemental enough to feel that someone who has spent almost 15 years, fighting for his sobriety and to be the best person he can, would be getting his "just desserts" with a terrible illness.  Is the person who suffers a fatal heart attack, getting their "just desserts", because, darn it, they should have given up those cheeseburgers, years ago?

 

And why would Rayna have a hard time supporting him.  Whether they reconciled romantically or not,this is a man she has loved for a huge part of her life, who is the FATHER of her oldest daughter.  A man who has loved and been loyal to her, forever. 

 

If she couldn't support him in a serious illness,what kind of a person, is she?

[Clemgo3165]

The kind of person who witnessed him drinking himself into oblivion and the person who suffered through most of the fallout of those years. I think it would be diificult for anyone in that situation.

I do think there are some in the audience who are quite judgmental, just think of the reaction from them when Michelle Obama was on for a few seconds last season. Whether we like it or not, there are a lot of people out there who won't hesitate to blame the alcoholic for their cirrhosis, or the fat person for their heart ailment, or the smoker for their lung cancer, regardless of the fact that non drinkers also get cirrhosis, and skinny people have heart attacks, and non smokers die of lung cancer every day.

I'm not saying that its right, but I do think its real and I'd hate to see that come down on Deacon with everything else he's been through.

[pattycat]

I'm wondering, if maybe, we're getting a little too dramatic with this supposed illness of Deacon.

 

Maybe something happens that causes him to get medical advice, but, it may not be as dramatic as needing a transplant, or cirrhosis, heart failure, etc.   

 

It could be something that tests indicate he does have a problem, but, his Dr. wants to treat it with medication and good diet, lots of rest, that of thing, and then see how he responds, before anything more drastic is considered.  

It might scare him and have him reflecting on everything he's missed out on, because of his illness, but, also, he doesn't want to tell everybody and have them treating him differently, for instance have Rayna come to him, because of his health.

 

It could also be a way to get him off Luke's tour, if his Dr. told him that he needed to be getting lots of rest and the rigors of life on the road, were out of the question.  Of course, then he would have to reveal, at least to Luke, why he needed to be released from the tour.But, that could be confidential.   

 

I guess we'll find out!  Oh the drama!

[slade3]

I love the hell out of Deacon, but this literally made me laugh out loud! So true...at least for now!

I love him, too, but it's been work these last two seasons. I'm beginning to understand what Rayna went through. Seriously, I don't want to watch Deacon battle an illness. Maybe they mean alcoholism. An illness like cancer would be very cliche at this point, and just another step away from what I thought the show was about - making it in the country music industry.

 

I don't want to know what people were saying about Michelle Obama's appearance on the show, but I'm disappointed to read things were said. I guess a lot of heads are exploding over the Gunnar/Zoe relationship, too. Sad. 

[Bubbles]

The sneak peek for this week's episode confirms that it's indeed Juliette who sends Avery the "I'm pregnant, it's yours" text message, not Glenn or Emily sending it to force her to tell him as some have speculated.

http://tvline.com/2014/10/21/nashville-season-3-video-juliette-texts-avery-she-is-pregnant/

[CofCinci]

Wow! I'm so surprised that Juliette sent the text.

[airwair]

Deb Fordham tweeted she is writing the final scene of 311 (the return after winter hiatus AKA te first episode after Rayna dumps Puke like a sack and Deacon discovers he is deathly ill or whatever) and it is Rayna and Deacon "talking about... stuff." She then says she made it the last scene on purpose.

I don't even know what it is but the idea of them having angsty non-Puke infested screen time made me do the Maury NOTTHEFATHER dance.

[TVFAN]

Thanks for sharing the spoilers. The only one I liked was "Rayna makes a bold decision" because I assume she's going to dump Luke.

 

The spoiler "With marriage on the cards for one couple, it comes as a surprise to learn that those walking down the isle[sic] are Avery and Juliette" makes me think Ruke won't happen.

 

The other spoilers annoy me because this means we have to sit through:

 

B) more Avery & Juliette angst just so they can decide to get married? I hope these two can work it out, but I don't think I want to watch one, or both, of them grow resentful over this marriage and baby when they realize they can't tour/travel the way they used to. Avery hasn't even had a chance to shine yet.

 

I think Juliette would relish being a mom and making a family.  She has been looking for love all her life, and she's had enough fame to know that it doesn't fill the void.  Sure, she would mess up sometimes.  She hasn't exactly had great role models.  But she would die for someone she loved.  The issue with Avery would be whether he could accept Juliette's success and let her be the primary breadwinner.  She can certainly afford good help, and there's no reason they both couldn't have highly successful careers and a highly successful family

[missbonnie]

Hoping Jeff continues his career trajectory and is soon outside the elementary school talent shows with a bag of candy and a windowless van.

OK, I lol'd at this for a little while.

IF those last spoilers come true I will be good to go as long as Deacon survives.

Oh, and I loathe the character of Luke Wheeler. He's worse than Jeff Fordham by a mile.

Edited October 23, 2014 by missbonnie

[slade3]

I think Juliette would relish being a mom and making a family.  She has been looking for love all her life, and she's had enough fame to know that it doesn't fill the void.  Sure, she would mess up sometimes.  She hasn't exactly had great role models.  But she would die for someone she loved.  The issue with Avery would be whether he could accept Juliette's success and let her be the primary breadwinner.  She can certainly afford good help, and there's no reason they both couldn't have highly successful careers and a highly successful family

I don't trust the writers to write a story that doesn't involve Juliette and Avery fighting viciously if they decide to raise the child together. (Not that I'm convinced they'll let Juliette carry the pregnancy to term.) So far, a lot of cliches have visited Nashville and the one about the young couple having a child and becoming resentful hasn't been tackled yet.

[airwair]

So next week will apparently tackle a new angle for this show---pseudo incest! How fun!!!

(Eye roll)

[Bubbles]

Maddie and Luke's son, I assume? Yawn.

Does anyone else suspect that the reason we haven't seen Luke's daughter yet is because she's basically Rayna's worst nightmare of what her fame might do to her daughters and will be rolled out to initiate conflict between Luke and Rayna shortly after Rayna begins to seriously worry about Daphne and Maddie's behavior?

[Sutton]

I've said before WHY haven't we met Sage yet? LW constantly makes excuses on why she can't come to their family get togethers, she's always at some dancing camp or some other camp. Could it be she might be in rehab, you can call that a camp. Bubbles - (It would be Rayna's worst nightmare of what her fame might do to her daughters and will be rolled out to initate conflict between Luke and Rayna shortly after Rayna begins to seriously worry about Daphne and Maddie's behavior?) Adding LW's comment to Rayna "They'll get use to it" after Daphne said to Rayna they never see her anymore and she sucks.

 

I can't believe the series would go down that path of putting Maddie in a position of making out with her soon to be step-brother. Airwair - (pseudo incest) perfect. Could they be setting it up that Rayna walks in on that little make out session and gets really upset and that starts her thinking this is not how I want to live my life.

 

Doesn't any writer on this series have any imagination because if they need some ideas they should start reading FF. The writers on that forum are amazing on what they have written and talk about drama.

[slasherboy]

IF those last spoilers come true I will be good to go as long as Deacon survives.

 

Ain't nuthin' gonna happen to dear ole Deacon.  At least around here in the real Nashville, he's by far the most popular and most beloved character out of the entire cast, as well as the most loved and respected real life person.   He does a ton of charity work and plays the local honky tonks (and bigger venues) on a regular basis.  

 

From working as an extra on "Nashville", I've been fortunate to be in several scenes with Chip Esten and he's by far the most gracious and friendliest actor on set.  He's the only one I've ever seen who actually interacts with the extras and is definitely a favorite of everybody I've spoken with about him.  And one of his best characteristics?  He has a beautiful smile and loves to laugh.  What a guy!

 

Nope, they're not gonna kill off My Deacon.  Oops, I mean, our Deacon.

[carefree]

He seems lovely on Twitter and it's so nice to hear he's the same in person, slasherboy! I'm not at all jealous... much. 

 

I'm glad I've read some of the spoilers now because the last few episodes have been a little too WTF for me so now to see how these things are all executed. My hope is still not high. 

Edited October 24, 2014 by carefree

[Sutton]

Slasherboy thanks for that news about Our Deacon and My Deacon. First time watching Nashville there was something about Deacon Claybourne that you (me) fell in love with. Always nice to hear something nice about an actor that you get attach to when watching a series. Charles (Chip) Esten is a great guy and boy do I love that smile. Talk about him being the most popular one on the series just look at the stats on Deacon's Team says it all.

[Quiche]

Does anyone else suspect that the reason we haven't seen Luke's daughter yet is because she's basically Rayna's worst nightmare of what her fame might do to her daughters and will be rolled out to initiate conflict between Luke and Rayna shortly after Rayna begins to seriously worry about Daphne and Maddie's behavior?

Actually, this would be fun.

[Midru]

I have been thinking they are holding Sage back for maximum impact. Rayna's nightmare sounds about right. So if she's younger than Colt she is the girls' age, a tween. And older, she might be 18 or so. Either way could be a nightmare. 

 

Totally agree that Averyliette will be completely tortured. Most likely by reconciling, getting married, losing the baby, then breaking up in parallel self-flagellations of drugs and promiscuity!

 

And, really, neither one of them has enough stability or emotional intelligence to be a good parent. If you don't trust your partner, it ain't gonna last. Neither of them are trusting. Juliette is not trustworthy. 

 

Did I miss Deacon's health scare? Wasn't it supposed to happen last episode? My guess is all they would give him is pneumonia and pull him off the tour. That is, unless he had his health scare last week and I missed it. 

[Sutton]

Think Deacon's health scare in later episodes. I vote for pneumonia or hepatitis C at least those are very curable with anitbiotics anything else I'm not going to be happy.

[CofCinci]

Did I miss Deacon's health scare? Wasn't it supposed to happen last episode? My guess is all they would give him is pneumonia and pull him off the tour. That is, unless he had his health scare last week and I missed it.

You didn't miss his health scare. Only one per episode. This week it was Juliette's turn.

[Sutton]

Touche CofCinci your right only one health scare per episode. Ayone want to guess next episode Will, will be rushed to the hospital with something broken.

[Stella MD]

Definitely Will, given how Deacon told him twice to go see a doctor. It's raining anvils...

[Sutton]

I just downloaded on ITunes Deacons song "I know how to love you now" and if you guys heard it on the series need to hear it in full instrument background it's one hell of a song. Rayna should hear that song when she's all alone and if that doesn't change her mind I don't know what will. Oh, I do meeting Sage the daughter LW who he's keeping hidden from Rayna. Anyone wonder why?

[BBDi]

I just downloaded on ITunes Deacons song "I know how to love you now" and if you guys heard it on the series need to hear it in full instrument background it's one hell of a song. Rayna should hear that song when she's all alone and if that doesn't change her mind I don't know what will. Oh, I do meeting Sage the daughter LW who he's keeping hidden from Rayna. Anyone wonder why?

 

Wrt Sage, I'm guessing that either the writers have been keeping their options open (by acknowledging that LW has another kid, but giving the kid a gender neutrail name) while they figure out where to go with the character, or saving this character to be a major disrupting factor later in the season (e.g., if they go the soap-y route, she could be a bitchy mini-vixen intent on keeping her dad from marrying Rayna or something).

[pattycat]

The role of Sage, has been cast.

Elizabeth Hunter. She's a very pretty girl. Long, very dark hair, dark eyes.

Let's hope she's just around for an episode or two, though.

[Sutton]

It seems episode 6 spoiler is "While on tour, Deacon finds his prupose in music thanks to Pam, a backup singer in Luke's band." If someone knows what that means please post it because I've always thought that Deacon new what his purpose was in music and that was to write, perform songs and be the best guitarist in his field.

[pattycat]

I agree, odd spoiler for Epi 6.

I wonder if maybe he comes to see his music as a voice for other people, who have had a hard road, but are surviving and getting stronger, something like that.

[gpgurl50]

“Nashville” -- “You’re Lookin’ At Country” – It’s country music’s biggest night of the year at the 48th Annual CMA Awards in Nashville. Up for a total of 11 awards between them, Rayna and Luke’s evening begins with an unfortunate hitch when Rayna stumbles upon Luke’s pre-nuptial agreement documents, causing for some friction between them. Later, Avery’s parents are in town for the show as Avery is nominated for a CMA Award. What should be a lovely reunion takes a turn when Avery introduces them to Juliette. Meanwhile, Gunnar and Zoey’s relationship is tested and Deacon and Scarlett watch the awards from home on “NASHVILLE,” WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 19 (10:00-11:00 p.m., ET) on the ABC Television Network. Trisha Yearwood, Joe Nichols, Kimberly Perry, Neil Perry and Reid Perry from The Band Perry guest star as themselves. Eric Close directs the episode.

[CofCinci]

Oh! We finally get to see Avery's family.  This should be interesting.

[jazzpno]

Oh! The "ole prenup debacle"... Of course, Luke has to protect his interests, his earnings and "his brand". Couldn't let that old golddigger Rayna get her claws on his cash!

 

Didn't Rayna just inherit millions from her father? If anybody should be "prenupping" is should be her, and I don't even believe in those things!

 

Maybe it isn't the money. Maybe Luke wants Rayna to sign a gag order to keep her from divulging his bad attitude and general assiness.

[Artsda]

If 2 celebrities are marrying, or if any celebrity with lots of assets are marrying it's only smart to get a prenup. Their marriages don't have the best track record. Luke is smart to get a prenup, if Rayna had a half a brain she'd be welcoming it and asking for it herself.  It's not about either one being a gold digger.

Edited October 30, 2014 by Artsda

[madam magpie]

Smart business or not, the idea of a prenup is offputting. Celebrities and people with considerable assets do it all the time, sure, but that doesn't make it less offputting. I think we're supposed to believe that Rayna doesn't want her personal life to be a business. Given that, it makes sense that she and Luke would clash on something like this. It's just one more example of how really poorly suited they are for one another and how virtually nothing that they value or hold dear individually is on the same page as the other. There are also plenty of celebrity couples with no prenups, and even if you do split up, you don't automatically have to wage war over assets. If both people are grownups who aren't petty assholes, you can each leave with whatever money you came with. It's just a matter of how much do you trust the other person not to screw you over in a divorce. I would never marry someone who wanted me to sign a prenup because what that says to me is that you expect me to be a petty asshole if we split up. I think it's totally legit for Rayna to get upset about that given her value system (or at least the one we thought she had until recently). And if Rayna and Deacon ever get married on this show, how much do you want to bet they don't get a prenup?

[CofCinci]

There are also plenty of celebrity couples with no prenups,

Juliette and Avery will marry without a prenup.