NFL Thread

[baldryanr]

2 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

His coach blamed Lawrence.  What is with the Texans this year?  I rooted for them last year.  This year not so much.

Plus he said the Jags overreacted to the hit.  I'm sure if CJ Stroud gets annihilated because of a late hit his teammates will just quietly shake their heads and say that it's his fault for not sliding earlier. 

[roamyn]

11 hours ago, Bastet said:

Seriously?  The allegations of rape against Jameis are hardly obscure, going back nearly 10 years; FSU paid off the two known victims who came forward. 

Seriously I really didn't know.  But it's hard to see that is a side (or was a side) of Jameis with all the love players ^ media show him.

SA is NOT something to be brushed aside or classified as a mistake, however people do learn and grow. I spent one day (not a night, just a day) in jail as an adult.  Luckily I was able to get my record expunged,  but ever since my MIL blabbed to all hubby's siblings, I've been dead to them and they repeatedly trashed me to their children who in turn told OUR children.  I couldn't even go to support hubby at his mother's funeral. 

So we ALL have done things we're ashamed of in the past.  What's important is that we don't repeat them and that we learn from them.

As @Careysaid, you can't compare the two.  Two allegations in college compared to over 40 during an extended period?  And I'm sorry, but we have heard about college women making things up to get back at young athletes to the point it ruined lives. Accusers shouldn't always be believed (unless there's a pattern or history) just becayse they're making an accusation. I'm hoping those allegations were just a misunderstanding and no blame on either side.

 

Edited December 3 by roamyn

[Carey]

Very well-put roamyn.  I admire your post here.  Pretty much my point that I planned to make, but I couldn't have said it better myself.  I'll respond to it in better detail later (or not).  Plus I did have a question unrelated.

Quick fact: I am a fan of second chances.  However, those for me aren't complimentary.

[Carey]

About six weeks at least for the Niners sans CMC

[Salacious Kitty]

5 hours ago, baldryanr said:

Plus he said the Jags overreacted to the hit.  I'm sure if CJ Stroud gets annihilated because of a late hit his teammates will just quietly shake their heads and say that it's his fault for not sliding earlier. 

Brady is now saying that QBs should be panelized for sliding "late." Who decides what is late? Or just keep them upright and get gang tackled. 

Brady is an idiot.

[roamyn]

2 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Brady is now saying that QBs should be panelized for sliding "late." Who decides what is late? Or just keep them upright and get gang tackled. 

Brady is an idiot.

I can't think who said this, it was on 'First Things First' yesterday, but they claim that teaching QBs to slide actually puts them in a more vulnerable position.

I think if Trevor had just stayed upright, the hit wouldn't be viewed  so bad.  However, I don't think Demeeco should've come out in the media the way he did.

29 minutes ago, Carey said:

About six weeks at least for the Niners sans CMC

Just sit him for the rest of the season.  49ers aren't going anywhere so why risk it?

[Carey]

29 minutes ago, roamyn said:

Just sit him for the rest of the season.  49ers aren't going anywhere so why risk it?

100%.  By the time he comes back, their season will be over.  If it's six weeks, the 49ers would have to get to the Divisional Round or Championship weekend if it's six weeks from present time.

The good news is that there isn't a clear leader in the NFC West.  The bad news is that San Francisco sucks without him.  Even if they were to win the division & a playoff game, they're probably going down to Philadelphia or someone from the NFC North.  Of course, the latter would beat them in Levi Stadium this time around.

Sure athletes heel faster, but he was already out earlier.  He's done for 2024, period.  Time to punt to 2025.  Speaking of FS1 programming, someone said something about the Niners possibly being bad enough to draft another QB.  One that's bigger, faster, stronger than Purdy, plus complimentary (as Brock is due to get paid)

[Chit Chat]

  

7 hours ago, baldryanr said:

Plus he said the Jags overreacted to the hit.

The NFL has spoken.  Al-Shaair has been on their radar for a while.  

[Fukui San]

I don’t know why Lawrence’s slide is getting as much pushback as it is when it’s pretty much textbook what they ask them to do. The defender was clearly in the wrong in a way that should not be at all controversial.

There was a play in the Pats/Jets 2nd game, the one the Pats won behind Jacoby Brissett, where Drake Maye scrambled, got off balance, and then slid but got tackled and got a concussion which eventually got him pulled from the game. In that instance I can’t fault the defender as Maye was late and he has to learn to slide earlier. But Lawrence did it properly. 

[NUguy514]

11 hours ago, roamyn said:

And I'm sorry, but we have heard about college women making things up to get back at young athletes to the point it ruined lives. Accusers shouldn't always be believed (unless there's a pattern or history) just becayse they're making an accusation. I'm hoping those allegations were just a misunderstanding and no blame on either side.

 

I'm not trying to provoke an argument, but victims of sexual assault AREN'T believed as a rule, and statements like this are a big part of the problem because they absolutely do brush sexual assault aside and, in cases like this, cast it as more of a mistake on the part of these poor athletes who were just trying to get laid.  For every college woman who makes things up to ruin a young athlete's life, which is a very specific scenario, there are thousands of unreported rapes.

I feel like this should be common knowledge, but just in case: the conviction rate of sexual assault crimes is under 1%, and only around 6% of all allegations even result in an arrest.  Meanwhile, close to 90% of sexual assault victims suffer physical and emotional consequences because of the assaults committed on them.

Moreover, with the specific rape allegation against Winston in 2012, the woman who accused him of raping her didn't even know who he was at the time because he was a redshirt freshman and hadn't even played a game at FSU.  She could only identify him a month after the fact when she happened to be in the same class as he the next semester and learned his name when the professor called roll, and the police naturally mishandled the investigation into Winston.  She was not some honeytrap looking to make a buck off of the poor star football player, although that narrative (of course) endures twelve years later because Winston has quite a few incredibly powerful men and institutions behind him invested in crafting a specific narrative around him.

[twoods]

8 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Brady is now saying that QBs should be panelized for sliding "late." Who decides what is late? Or just keep them upright and get gang tackled. 

Brady is an idiot.

I sort of get where he’s coming from. I’ve seen QBs get more yards by pretending to go out of bounds or slide and keep running. The defense tends to ease up in these instances since they don’t want to get penalized for unnecessary roughness, and it’s unfair to them. The rules are out there to protect the players, but sometimes it really is detrimental to the defense.

With that being said, I don’t think Lawrence tried one of those fake plays and unnecessarily got hit in the head.

[mojoween]

Ouch.  And the missing team probably isn’t getting there any time soon.

[Carey]

Hard to believe that the missing team was the inaugural champion in the aftermath of the league restructure 22 years ago.  Same thing can be said by the Raiders in the West.  No a super big deal since all 8 teams in question were members of the East & West prior to 2002

[Fukui San]

AFC East titles to date:

Baltimore/Indianapolis Colts - 6

Houston Oilers - 4

NY Jets - 4

[merylinkid]

On 12/2/2024 at 3:52 PM, Chit Chat said:

'm all about a good tackle or sack, but not a cheap shot that injures a player.  

The Caleb Williams hit, when he tried to freeze stop like Lamar Jackson but got tackled inbounds instead?   clean hit.   Williams was a runner at that point.

The Trevor Lawrence Hit -- cheap, dirty hit.   Lawrence was DOWN and SLIDING when Azeer came in.   Azeer had plenty of time to stop, avoid, or even just NOT RAISE HIS FOREARM to hit Lawrence with it.     

[mojoween]

Mahomes fake slides all of the time and it pisses defenders off to no end.  In this instance, I don’t get how there is any question that Trevor was sliding, and Azeez had plenty of time to literally do anything other than what he did.

Edited December 5 by mojoween

[Carey]

I don't feel sorry for Aziz since he has a history, and while he may have been on time to Lawrence's late slide, the hit emulated Burfict.

Unless there is an NFL narrative not to do the following, no reason to start marking people down when they start the sign of a (fake) slide.  That might help in terms of defensive fairness & player safety

[mojoween]

Welp. 

 

[merylinkid]

5 hours ago, Carey said:

I don't feel sorry for Aziz since he has a history, and while he may have been on time to Lawrence's late slide, the hit emulated Burfict.

Unless there is an NFL narrative not to do the following, no reason to start marking people down when they start the sign of a (fake) slide.  That might help in terms of defensive fairness & player safety

Lawrence didn't late slude.  He saw he was cgoing to run into traffic and went down.  He was well down on the ground when Azeer hit him.  

[Carey]

I'm trying to understand why the Texan player chose to appeal.  Unless it's documented that his apology earlier in the week was total crap & insincere.  That includes admission of a bogus apology.  Sorta wished that Engram & Jarrian were able to deal with the mess, though 2 wrongs don't make a right.

Anyway, "late" wasn't the best term, and I'm not defending the guy at all.  However, Trevor wasn't on the ground 5 full seconds before Azeer made the decision to move forwarded toward wrecking Jacksonville's star QB.

The good news is he'll be nowhere near Mahomes, and not to make a joke about it, but it might be good news for Aziz with Smith Schuster scheduled to be on the field at the same time

[Bastet]

On 12/3/2024 at 4:57 AM, Carey said:

Having said that, unless I'm missing something recent, it's night & day between the former FSU star and the other guy from a rival ACC team.

On 12/3/2024 at 5:41 AM, Carey said:

Just my opinion, but comparing Jameis Winston to Deshaun Watson is asinine.

Good thing I didn't do that, then, even though a comparison - while not an equality - clearly could be made.  I simply said if a team selects one rapist as its QB then another as its QB when Rapist 1 is out, I'm going to root for that team to fail.  The difference in number or recency of assaults - which, yeah, duh, exists - is irrelevant to that sentiment. 

[roamyn]

And what about the team(Baltimore) that literally had an accomplice to double homicide win a ring?  And the victims happened to be from the town where the alleged (not convicted) so called rapists are from?  (OK one is most likely a SA-er).  I hope you cheer for their losing, too.

[mojoween]

Just me, but I’ll always root for Baltimore to lose.

It’s hard to shake a stick and not have a sexual assaulter fall out of a NFL team’s tree.  The Giants had one; pretty much everyone hated it, and him.

But Cleveland was so public with the most idiotic decision they could have made about someone who *was still going through the legal process” and also was very very rusty, that they made it very hard to, as not one of their avid fans, root for them to have any success.

[baldryanr]

5 hours ago, Carey said:

I'm trying to understand why the Texan player chose to appeal.  Unless it's documented that his apology earlier in the week was total crap & insincere.  That includes admission of a bogus apology.  Sorta wished that Engram & Jarrian were able to deal with the mess, though 2 wrongs don't make a right.

Because when you've decided that you're the victim, of course you're going to appeal what you think is unfair penalty.  Hey man, i was just playing hard - football is a contact sport, so sometimes accidents happen.  By the way, what do you think of my innovative tackling technique of leading with my forearm?

[Carey]

6 hours ago, Bastet said:

Good thing I didn't do that, then, even though a comparison - while not an equality - clearly could be made.  I simply said if a team selects one rapist as its QB then another as its QB when Rapist 1 is out, I'm going to root for that team to fail.  The difference in number or recency of assaults - which, yeah, duh, exists - is irrelevant to that sentiment. 

Fair enough.  I probably would & should too.  Of course there are several reasons to root for the team in question.  What's different is that I'm rooting for the Dallas Cowboys 100% of the time (when having to making the choice) over that other team.  Maybe it's just me, but I personally would not make an exception for the Cleveland Browns for one day despite the circus from that team in the Lone Star State.  It's a super easy decision.

Obviously it's even easier to root for neither team; for the record, Winston was already on the roster well before Watson got hurt (signed in March about a couple days before Flacco departed).  Not the best decision, but they didn't sign him in-season in the aftermath of their starting QB's second consecutive trip to season-ending IR.

While I've moved on from the Ray Lewis stuff, it's not nothing either.  Finally, I'm not a fan of making comparisons over bad behavior as there really shouldn't be one.

[bluegirl147]

2 hours ago, mojoween said:

Just me, but I’ll always root for Baltimore to lose.

Same. Mostly because they are in my team's division but also the Ray Lewis stuff. And kinda the Ray Rice stuff. Yes they did cut him when the video came to light but they knew things before that video came to light.

My team also had it's own (alleged) sexual assaulter so I'm really in no position to throw stones however he was already on the team when that happened. The Browns offered a crazy expensive contract to Watson knowing the many allegations against him.  So one of two things. They either thought every single woman was lying or they didn't care he was serial assaulter.  As I have said before I feel bad for Browns fans but everything that has happened to and because of Watson since he joined the team seems like karma to me.  And as far as I know Winston hasn't had any allegations since college. I think those allegations should have been handled better in Florida but he was a star athlete and we know how those things go. 

And for the record now that Watson isn't playing unless Cleveland is playing Pittsburgh I don't root for them to lose.  I watched (at least till halftime) the Monday night game against Denver and was impressed.

 

 

[mojoween]

2 hours ago, baldryanr said:

Because when you've decided that you're the victim, of course you're going to appeal what you think is unfair penalty.  Hey man, i was just playing hard - football is a contact sport, so sometimes accidents happen.  By the way, what do you think of my innovative tackling technique of leading with my forearm?

And when you have Tom Brady saying idiotic things like “when you run as a quarterback you take risks” of course Azeez feels vindicated.

Brady should shut up in general, but also about this specifically.  They changed the rules for YOU, Tommy.  The quarterback slide was invented to protect them. Take several seats.

[bluegirl147]

29 minutes ago, mojoween said:

And when you have Tom Brady saying idiotic things like “when you run as a quarterback you take risks” of course Azeez feels vindicated.

Brady should shut up in general, but also about this specifically.  They changed the rules for YOU, Tommy.  The quarterback slide was invented to protect them. Take several seats.

You notice he didn't say that stuff while he actually was playing. 

[Carey]

Just wait until the league makes Tom the head of officiating

[Carey]

2 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

You notice he didn't say that stuff while he actually was playing. 

https://tenor.com/view/tom-brady-flop-nfl-not-my-goat-gif-20492655

[Bastet]

11 hours ago, roamyn said:

And what about the team(Baltimore) that literally had an accomplice to double homicide win a ring?  And the victims happened to be from the town where the alleged (not convicted) so called rapists are from?  (OK one is most likely a SA-er).  I hope you cheer for their losing, too.

For many, many years, yes.

[shoregirl]

https://share.inquirer.com/opRlbm

With all the talk about players who don't seem like they are great people even if they are great players. This article about Saquan Barkley baby-sitting his high school athletic director's kids is fun. He does seem like he's good people

[Carey]

Good thing the coaching in Detroit has been better than very good.  Otherwise: imagine losing the game for taking points without triple zeros during decision time with a yard to get a first as opposed to showing no mercy.  That may have happened with Campbell's predecessor.

Not really since I doubt they were getting 34 points.  Meaningless stuff for the current era; winning is meaningful.  And so is their first back to back playoff berth.  You might have to obtain The Ten Commandments DVD; maybe there's a deleted scene on Detroit making the postseason in consecutive years, but maybe one doesn't have to go back that far.

Third team into the dance and first NFC.  Getting there before the recent elite team from East Pennsylvania.

On what one might have thought of as a totally separate note but I don't think it is: 40 years of Beverly Hills Cop today!

Edited December 6 by Carey
A coincidental note

[twoods]

I thought not going for the field goal was a dumb move because that means you don’t trust your defense, but I’m not a coach so what do I know.

Edited December 6 by twoods

[Carey]

It's not so much the lack of trust; it was the fact that the Packers were crushing it in that seasons half

[Carey]

We made it to the end of the week.  It's Friday.  The weekend!  Therefore, certain scenes from Title Town (or Loserville) do not need to happen, period.  While criticism to the other side is fair enough (to an extent):

 

Dear Detroit,

Do better, and be better.  Act like you've been there before

Love, Carey

[merylinkid]

On 12/5/2024 at 9:07 AM, bluegirl147 said:

You notice he didn't say that stuff while he actually was playing. 

He sure didn't.   He stood and screamed at the ref every time there wasn't a roughing the passer penalty if a defensive player even breathed in his gneeral direction.

But other QBs, well they just need to take it.  

[Magog]

On 12/6/2024 at 1:32 PM, Carey said:

(or Loserville)

I thought that Loserville is in Dallas. It certainly fits that team & their loser owner & son. 

Speaking of losers, I'm hopeful that the sucky green team & their loser big-mouth quarterback will show us yet another shameful performance today. This time in Miami. 

Edited December 8 by Magog

[Carey]

56 minutes ago, Magog said:

I thought that Loserville is in Dallas. It certainly fits that team & their loser owner & son. 

I guess.  However, that includes all of the big sports & not just football.  The Rangers were recently world champions, and the Mavericks played for the title.  The latter had a chance to win one within the series they were in over the past 12 months (not really).  Plus they won at least once within the past decade & a half

Detroit hasn't won anything during that span.  Even the Red Wings couldn't do much to continue or emulate their past

[mojoween]

I live in the New York market.  Yes I know the Giants suck and the Eagles do not but that is no goddamn reason to not show the game of the home team in the home damn market.

[Crashcourse]

I used to be a Steelers fan until they got Wilson.  I guess it was the right decision, but I just didn't think he belonged in Pittsburgh, and I am sooooo fucking tired of hearing "let Russ cook."  

[mojoween]

 

 

[Kip Hackman]

Panthers leading the league in moral victories.  

But Bryce Young is looking like the real deal, so I'm happy. 

[Bastet]

Ha - thank you, Dolphins!  (I had the Steelers game, but we have no afternoon game, so once it was over we were taken to Miami sending it to OT and handing Aaron Rodgers another loss.)

[mojoween]

So Brady’s entire personality now is going to be shitting all over quarterbacks.  Noted.

[Salacious Kitty]

5 minutes ago, mojoween said:

So Brady’s entire personality now is going to be shitting all over quarterbacks.  Noted.

My market (SF Bay Area) is thankfully spared Brady today. But I watch Red Zone, so I will likely hear some of his "commentary." 🙄

[baldryanr]

Chicago's NFL entry in the Loserville contest.  So much for a boost from ditching the old coach.

[bluegirl147]

2 hours ago, mojoween said:

So Brady’s entire personality now is going to be shitting all over quarterbacks.  Noted.

For real.  He just won't shut up this game.

I had Roma in the early game.  Now Brady and Collinsworth the night game.  What did I do to deserve this?

[Marley]

Tom Brady’s voice being all hoarse is annoying the shit out of me lol.

[Carey]

2 minutes ago, Marley said:

Tom Brady(’s voice) being all hoarse is annoying the shit out of me lol.

There we go.  I've fixed it for you.  Alright!