The Spoiler Collection

[KerleyQ]

This is in the spoilers for Thursday, and I'm so damn excited that someone is actually going to point it out. It probably won't go anywhere, but just seeing someone actually acknowledge it on screen is more than I thought would ever happen. 

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Ivy reveals to Eric that Steffy’s hidden resentments are jeopardizing business success with Forrester.

 

[SweePea59]

That's why we love Ivy.

BTW, in the previews, that girl that was talking to Will, she sure resembled Ivy. But she's too old to be her daughter, and if she was her little sister (who we never heard of, or did we, long ago?), let's see, she'd be blood to Eric; Thorne, Felicia, Kristin; Rick, Bridget; Dino & Jack; and only (whatever you cal the relatives of your relatives' relatives) family to Katie, so yeah she could be Ivy's little sister and date Will.

Edited October 19 by SweePea59

[Anna Yolei]

2 hours ago, SweePea59 said:

But she's too old to be her daughter, and if she was her little sister (who we never heard of, or did we, long ago?), let

Her niece, actually. Ivy's never been in the same room as her much older sister Jessica, who was a character whose run was back in the mid 90s and (at least at the place I'm at in my watch of early B&B in season 8) the biggest Mary Sue ever. And I hate using that term because Star Wars fandom have ruined that for everyone.

She's also not the type who I'd ever think would name her kid Electra. Maybe her father had a hand in that.

10 hours ago, KerleyQ said:

Ivy reveals to Eric that Steffy’s hidden resentments are jeopardizing business success with Forrester.

"hidden" is doing some heavy lifting in that sentence because homegirl never shuts up about her hatred of Brooke and Hope and all things Logan EVER. Hope has (for now) moved on from Finn, the thing Steffy told her to do on the threat of killing her line, and she's STILL pissed.

I had some modicum of sympathy for her in 2010 when it was very obvious Katie was pushing Hope up in her pissing contest with Steffy (that Katie should've taken out on her grown ass husband instead of using her niece as a pawn and setting her up for the lifetime of misery that's followed as a direct consequence of that action) and she was a peon in her own family's company. But she's not that anymore and hasn't been for a long time now. 

The only thing worse than a sore loser is a sore winner.

[SweePea59]

I remember Jessica. Awful character. I liked her in the beginning then ended up hating her. So it's a fact then that Electra is Ivy's niece. Thx.

[Anna Yolei]

On 10/19/2024 at 11:07 AM, SweePea59 said:

I remember Jessica. Awful character. I liked her in the beginning then ended up hating her. So it's a fact then that Electra is Ivy's niece. Thx.

I won't hold the boring sins of the mother against this kid. This being modern B&B, I'm sure they will create new reasons for us to go bored of her by her own merits.

Speaking of which, anyone wanna take bets on how long it'll take for all the guys on the show to start praising her as the bestest intern they ever had at the company and how wonderful her virtues are? Because they ALWAYS do this for new girls on this show.

[KerleyQ]

1 hour ago, Anna Yolei said:

I won't hold the boring sins of the mother against this kid. This being modern B&B, I'm sure they will create new reasons for us to go bored of her by her own merits.

Speaking of which, anyone wanna take bets on how long it'll take for all the guys on the show to start praising her as the bestest intern they ever had at the company and how wonderful her virtues are? Because they ALWAYS do this for new girls on this show.

And, since she's allegedly supposed to be the center of a triangle with Will and RJ (which I still give all kinds of side eye to, given the ages everyone seems to be), not only will she, of course, get all that praise, but I'm guessing that the triangle will be enough to make her an unpalatable character ASAP. 

Show, we don't want a new Mary Sue intern to be praised to the heavens and be in a triangle between two characters. We want Luna back to fuck shit up. 

[GHScorpiosRule]

6 minutes ago, KerleyQ said:

Show, we don't want a new Mary Sue intern to be praised to the heavens and be in a triangle between two characters. We want Luna back to fuck shit up

[Peppermint]

Why should Electra stop with Will and RJ ?? Don't forget that Zende currently isn't "gettin' any" either. 

Please don't play the "Forrester" card. He's adopted, no incest here.

Just don't get her pregnant and have to have Forrester Creations begin a new BabyMama line. BabyDaddy gets the design job.

[Anna Yolei]

So apparently, Electra isn't Jessica's brat but some other reconned son of John's that's never been mentioned before. Setting up potential love interest for Hope down the road when he comes to LA eventually? 👀

[SweePea59]

On 10/21/2024 at 1:18 PM, KerleyQ said:

We want Luna back to fuck shit up. 

Not me. More Luna means more Ploopy. I find Ploopy more unbearable than I find Luna fun.

14 hours ago, Anna Yolei said:

So apparently, Electra isn't Jessica's brat but some other reconned son of John's that's never been mentioned before. Setting up potential love interest for Hope down the road when he comes to LA eventually? 👀

I do have a vague recollection of a mention (eons ago) that Eric's brother having kids, plural. In my mind I've thought for a long time that He had Jessica with his first wife and three other kids with his second.

[Lilac2000]

Thursday, October 31
"Fueled by anger, Steffy takes a bold executive action that will ripple through the entire company, changing everything in its wake. Sheila dives into the holiday spirit by decorating Il Giardino for Halloween."

Fires Hope? Fires Carter? Friday's spoiler says Ridge backs her up so I'm guessing she gets rid of HFTF/Hope and the ripples are Carter quits and either follows Hope and creates a new line or this could be setting it up for him to leave for that new show. Brooke maybe quits too and Bridge breaks up part 972? Then we get Tridge Part 423?

Also some "comedic" hijinks when Sheila does something wacky at the restaurant. 

Edited October 26 by Lilac2000

[Anna Yolei]

I feel like we had a wacky Halloween episode last year too?

At this point, I'll take anything thats not focused on Queen Steffy, even if it's Sheila. She's overstayed her welcome for me but we see her once a month at least.

[CountryGirl]

Luna is back next week.

Yes, that means Poppy, too, but I will take Luna any way I can get her.

But can she please escape and put That Bitch Back in the Box?

Because she has been even more insufferable than usual since Finn rescued her, a feat I didn't think possible.

[KerleyQ]

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Bold & Beautiful spoilers for Monday, November 4:

Tensions are at an all-time high, and emotions run wild after Steffy and Ridge fire Hope and have Charlie escort her from the building.

Brooke learns of Ridge’s stunning betrayal.

Brooke should have Charlie stop by her house and walk Ridge out the door with all his shit, too. Let him go to his Beige Limp Dishrag. 

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Bold & Beautiful spoilers for Tuesday, November 5:

Fueled by anger over Ridge and Steffy’s betrayal of Hope — and frustrated by their indifference to his proposal — Carter hatches a plan to shake up the power dynamic at Forrester.

 

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Bold & Beautiful spoilers for Wednesday, November 6:

Finn and Steffy passionately express their love and commitment to each other.

Carter and Hope’s undeniable chemistry ignites a fire between them, culminating in heartfelt confessions of love and unforgettable passion.

Brooke and Ridge confront the painful thuths of their relationship in a heartfelt conversation, grappling with their loyalties to each other and their daughters.

OK, how is that Sinn shit even a spoiler?  It's literally all Princess SuperBitch and her pet do. It will just be more scenes of Finn talking about how much he loves her and her talking about how much he loves her. 

And confessions of love already for Hope and Carter?  Is there a reason this relationship has to move at warp speed? Heaven forbid we get time to get fully invested in a couple by slowly building them up. What's wrong with cute sweet scenes of a couple flirting, catching each other's eye, getting to know each other, etc?  

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Bold & Beautiful spoilers for Thursday, November 7:

Electra and Will’s chemistry ignites as she leans into his flirtation.

Eric attempts to intervene, but Steffy remains steadfast in her decision and hatred of Hope.

Eric, I swear to God, if you just make one token effort and roll over. This is your fucking company.  Put her in her place already. How many complaints of her using her position to play out her personal grievances do you need to get before you realize there's a problem making your company vulnerable? 

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Bold & Beautiful spoilers for Friday, November 8:

Zende confronts Steffy over the ripple effects of her actions.

Poppy’s visit to her daughter in jail provides Luna with valuable information.

Bill receives a poignant letter from Luna, which forces him to reflect on the situation and the choices that brought them to where they are.

So, Zende will probably be packing his desk up, too.  Come on, let's have a whole new viable rival company. Bring back some combination of Thorne, Thomas, Rick, Sally, Wyatt... 

[Soapy Goddess]

9 hours ago, KerleyQ said:

And confessions of love already for Hope and Carter?  Is there a reason this relationship has to move at warp speed?

Yes, if rumors are true, the actor who plays Carter landed a role on the new soap titled "the Gates". Assume he will leave Forrester by the time the new soap airs.

[SweePea59]

18 hours ago, KerleyQ said:

So, Zende will probably be packing his desk up, too. 

And what of RimJob the golden child? In a real world situation quite a few people would be losing their jobs. 

[Anna Yolei]

On 11/2/2024 at 2:04 PM, KerleyQ said:

OlSo, Zende will probably be packing his desk up, too. 

I wonder how many of the people who were cheering Zende on last year when he was having his own superbitch moment about RJ and using an innocent* woman to take the piss at him will also defend him for standing up to Steffy, who is also threatening his livelihood in a more direct way than RJ ever did. I mean, legally, he is a Real Forrester© so certainly he belongs there far more than Hope does according to that logic? 🫠

Hell, RJ has no more Forrester blood than she does but he IS Ridge's son just as much as Thomas is. Will Steffy pull out the Logan card on him, too?

*No, I don't care that they did a 180 on Luna, he still chose to act the way he did.

On 11/2/2024 at 2:04 PM, KerleyQ said:

Come on, let's have a whole new viable rival company. Bring back some combination of Thorne, Thomas, Rick, Sally, Wyatt... 

I'd do one better by bringing in entirely new characters with zero direct tires to any of the three core families that will do what Sally and Nick and Conner Davis would do to drag the Forresters for the entitled, privileged ass hammers the show always meant for them to be. Even for people who hate the Logans, I really cannot see how the Forresters are any paragons of virtue either aside from maybe Bridget who is so unlike either of her family that if not for seeing her birth in an isolated cabin I would think she was switched at birth.

Edited November 4 by Anna Yolei

[Artsda]

Rick needs to be back, he actually is Forrester by blood and take down Steffy and daddy. 

[KerleyQ]

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Bold & Beautiful spoilers for Monday, November 11:

Ridge, Steffy and Katie discuss the fallout of Hope’s firing.

Tensions rise between Brooke and Taylor when Brooke asks a question whose answer could change things forever.

Is the question "I can leave Ridge's shit on the front step, when would you like to pick it up?" 

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Bold & Beautiful spoilers for Tuesday, November 12:

Will and Electra finally give in to the undeniable chemistry between them.

"Finally"?  "Finally"?? They've known each other for 2 1/2 minutes. And "undeniable"?   

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Bold & Beautiful spoilers for Wednesday, November 13:

Electra worries that the spotlight could bring her darkest secrets crashing back to the surface.

Ah I see the rush now. They've got their storyline in mind for her, and they must go full speed ahead instead of giving us time to get to know her first. 

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Bold & Beautiful spoilers for Thursday, November 14:

Deacon and Finn are at odds, clashing over the truth about Hope.

Steffy and Ridge are puzzled as they try to understand why Carter is fiercely passionate about keeping Hope and her line at Forrester.

Go Deacon! Tell him that, to facilitate his compliance with his owner's directives that he not be in the presence of your wife or daughter, you're banning him from your restaurant. 

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Bold & Beautiful spoilers for Friday, November 15:

Bill receives yet another strange letter from Luna.

Furious over her firing, Carter shares his plan for revenge with Hope.

From the way that Carter line is worded, I definitely think they're setting him up to be the bad guy against poor, put upon Steffy instead of allowing the story to be that Princess SuperBitch is a bully who uses her position at FC to "win" the rivalries she creates. 

[GHScorpiosRule]

3 minutes ago, KerleyQ said:

Is the question "I can leave Ridge's shit on the front step, when would you like to pick it up?" 

 

3 minutes ago, KerleyQ said:

Finally"?  "Finally"?? They've known each other for 2 1/2 minutes. And "undeniable"?   

😂🤣🤣🤣

4 minutes ago, KerleyQ said:

Deacon and Finn are at odds, clashing over the truth about Hope.

4 minutes ago, KerleyQ said:

Go Deacon! Tell him that, to facilitate his compliance with his owner's directives that he not be in the presence of your wife or daughter, you're banning him from your restaurant. 

 

[SweePea59]

On 11/8/2024 at 4:58 PM, KerleyQ said:

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Ah I see the rush now. They've got their storyline in mind for her, and they must go full speed ahead instead of giving us time to get to know her first. 

I was stupidly hoping to get to know the members of this new generation. We barely know Will at his current age. We don't know much about Electra and only peripherals at that. And that other intern who is interested in Will, I don't even know her name, or the names of any of the other interns and models that are interested in him. I would prefer to get to know these people before we jump head first into the middle of some inexplicable drama.

[KerleyQ]

4 hours ago, SweePea59 said:

We barely know Will at his current age.

This. When Electra was going on about how she's never met anyone like Will, it just seemed ridiculous to me, because we haven't seen a single characteristic of Will beyond petulance when daddy had a new girlfriend and horndog when he got to FC and got an eyeful of the pretty women working there. 

[KerleyQ]

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Bold & Beautiful spoilers for Monday, November 18:

Will and Electra share a passionate moment.

The actions of the Forresters solidify Carter and Hope’s jump to action.

Ridge visits Finn for answers.

We are just full speed ahead with Will & Electra, aren't we? No need to let us get to know either one of them or see them have some interactions getting to know each other. And from what little we do know about both of them, full speed ahead feels wrong.  Will was just horn dogging over every single pretty woman he encountered minutes before he met Electra. And Electra is seemingly haunted by a stalker and freaked out about anyone in L.A. finding out about it all. None of that spells two people who are going to instantly fall in love. We should be seeing him changing from the wannabe player, and her being reluctant to get close to anyone, but slowly being won over by Will. Instead, it's like they forgot the stalker story was starting so soon, and now they're taking shortcuts to get the setup in place. 

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Bold & Beautiful spoilers for Tuesday, November 19:

Steffy is conflicted when Ridge looks for a resolution with the Logans.

Hope convinces Carter that they are doing the right thing.

Finn does not back down to Brooke.

I'm laughing at the wording on that first one. By "Steffy's conflicted," I assume they mean "Steffy is a raging bitch vomiting up her daddy issues to manipulate her father again." 

And Finn Steffy's Husband is going to keep carrying Steffy's water, even though he should know that Hope had no way of knowing he was going to be at FC at all, let alone walking into that room right then. 

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Bold & Beautiful spoilers for Wednesday, November 20:

Still unable to undo Hope’s firing, Carter makes a convincing case to Ridge.

So, wait, is Ridge finally going to listen to his best friend?  Carter must manage to get him out from under Steffy's thumb for a few minutes so he can listen to Carter without Steffy yammering into one ear, demanding his loyalty to her above all else. 

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Bold & Beautiful spoilers for Thursday, November 21:

Ridge feels Carter is indispensable, but Steffy questions his loyalty to the Forresters.

Brooke learns a shocking truth.

Is Ridge going to catch a clue, when Steffy undoubtedly starts clamoring to fire Carter, that this is all her personal bullshit running roughshod over the company? 

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Bold & Beautiful spoilers for Friday, November 22:

Remy spies on Will and Electra before surprising her with his presence.

On one hand, it's nice that we're not going to be stuck with months of Remy sitting in a dark room staring at pictures of Electra. On the other hand, as I've already complained, this story has gone warp speed, before we have reason to care about anyone in it. 

Of course, if they give Bill some more airtime as part of this story, I'll probably be willing to overlook a lot. 

[SweePea59]

3 hours ago, KerleyQ said:

Ridge visits Finn for answers.

Are his questions, what's on top of a house, and, how does sandpaper feel?

[Anna Yolei]

On 11/16/2024 at 2:17 PM, KerleyQ said:

Instead, it's like they forgot the stalker story was starting so soon, and now they're taking shortcuts to get the setup in place.

This has been the case for so many stories for at least the last six years, going back even to the Beth kidnapping, where Thomas was the only character involved who had been on the canvas six months before the story began. All the rest were n00bs that people were either indifferent to like Shauna, were already annoyed with for other reasons (like Emma, who was basically virginal Hope but boring and who no one who have given a witty about if she didn't die the way she did) or in Flo's case, absolutely aggravating and who people just wanted gone.

And this was for what should've been a major tent story?!

Yeah, this is way too fast for Will and Electra. In fact, ALL the stories move at light speed with the only one that they DO build up-over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again--is Steffy's goddamn daddy issues. 

And truly, Steffy is the only Forrester who gives a rat fuck about the Logans, because who else really has beef? Kristen and Felicia have always liked Brooke, Zende grew up away from all of this like Ivy and Electra and any other non-Jessica children John may have, and Thorne and Brooke have put their issues long behind them both, as has Eric (defense of Steffy in this instance notwithstanding). Other than her equally lunatic brother, no one gives a shit.

[KerleyQ]

25 minutes ago, Anna Yolei said:

And truly, Steffy is the only Forrester who gives a rat fuck about the Logans, because who else really has beef? Kristen and Felicia have always liked Brooke, Zende grew up away from all of this like Ivy and Electra and any other non-Jessica children John may have, and Thorne and Brooke have put their issues long behind them both, as has Eric (defense of Steffy in this instance notwithstanding). Other than her equally lunatic brother, no one gives a shit.

There's also her mommy, who is somehow also considered a "real Forrester" by Steffy's definition. I'd hazard a guess that Steffy considers Taylor more of a "real Forrester" than she does Zende, Ivy, or Electra. Hell, or even Kristen, Felicia, Rick, or Bridget, probably. 

[KerleyQ]

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Bold & Beautiful spoilers for Monday, November 25:

Oblivious to the danger lurking, Electra bumps into an old friend — Remy Pryce.

Ridge’s disbelief soon turns to anger when Brooke spills Hope and Carter’s secret.

Anyone think Ridge will accept that any responsibility lies with him and Steffy for ignoring a concern when signing? I so want Brooke to realize, and fully take in, that Ridge literally almost threw away his family's business because he had to become immersed in one of Taylor's twice daily office drop-ins. 

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Bold & Beautiful spoilers for Tuesday, November 26:

Electra finally lets Ivy in on why she fled home for Los Angeles — but of course, it’s not what anyone would expect!

Remy works his magic on Deacon, who is intrigued.

Ridge reels from Carter’s betrayal.

Oh, fuck, are we going to be stuck with an extended period of Ridge's man pain?  Because that's always such a treat. 🙄

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Bold & Beautiful spoilers for Wednesday, November 27:

Ridge calls in high-end attorney Justin Barber to fix the mess that Carter has left.

Hope spirals when Brooks shatters her world with the ultimate betrayal.

Justin rushing in to make things all better for the guy whose son killed his sister and got away with it is just... 

And I have nothing but disgust from what this show is going to do to the Brooke/Hope relationship. I guess because Taylor and Steffy have to have the only super special mother/daughter bond? 

[KerleyQ]

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Bold & Beautiful spoilers for Monday, December 2:

As Hope and Brooke go head-to-head over the current scandal, we’ll bet you a closet full of Spectra Fashions hand-me-downs they can’t find a way to see eye to eye.

We can only hope that as Ridge and Carter face off in all-out battle for control of Forrester Creations, the dressmaker points out that his COO isn’t a Forrester so that everyone’s favorite wedding officiant can note that neither is his boss. (Right, Massimo?)

And Brooke will be rewarded for all of this with Ridge tossing her aside because all he can think of to get his bitchass daughter for Christmas is to bang her limp beige dishrag of a mother. All while Steffy lamely protests "oh, no, I'm not trying to get you back together with mom, I swear." 

At this point, I'm legitimately curious as to whether we're even supposed to remember that Ridge isn't a blood Forrester. I get the impression that their mindset on that is "well, at the time, we had these well known soap actors on the canvas, and we wanted to really integrate them. But, they're not here anymore, so..."  But, if Carter did dare to raise that point, and Ridge's response was something like "Eric raised me, and I'm his son," Carter's response should be "well, that's because Eric is a better man than you. Remember how you were married to Brooke and helped raise Hope when she was younger? But Hope is only your daughter when you feel like getting into a pissing match with Deacon?" 

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Bold & Beautiful spoilers for Tuesday, December 3:

Hope drops a bombshell on Carter. Hopefully, after warning him that he might wanna sit down for this one!

Ridge makes a bold move that changes everything. “Does that include who you’re sleeping with?” Taylor asks but only using her inner voice.

These are super vague, but credit to the writer for the Taylor dig. 

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Bold & Beautiful spoilers for Wednesday, December 4:

Deacon spices up Il Giardino with a surprise addition. So long as he’s not putting Sheila’s toe cookies to the menu, that’s fine by us.

Ridge and Steffy strike a decisive blow to Hope’s future. As if firing her and having her escorted to the elevator wasn’t decisive enough!

What the fuck else can those two assholes affect of Hope's life?  

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Bold & Beautiful spoilers for Thursday, December 5:

Hope doesn’t back down when Steffy launches a fiery attack. Are we headed for a new entry in our countdown of soaps’ best slaps?

Will is on edge when Electra and Remy’s past begins to be told. Shove over, kid; we wanna hear this story, too.

Please, this show will never allow Hope to get one over enough on Steffy as to actually slap her. If anything, it will be like the last time she tried to slap here, where Steffy, of course, had the reflexes to stop her and then intimidate/threaten her over it. Because, remember, Steffy is the most badass snowflake tough girl delicate flower to ever exist. 

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Bold & Beautiful spoilers for Friday, December 6:

Bill reads one of Luna’s letters, and it’s a game-changer. Erm, need we remind him of Luna’s reign of terror?

With Forrester Creations on the line, Carter ignites a storm from which there is no turning back. So when does the Walton-Logan sign go up?

Now, listen, I'd love to see Luna back somehow to fuck shit up and all, but if the implication here is that it's something romantic that lures Bill in, then I'll pass. Do not want. 

[Skarzero]

19 hours ago, KerleyQ said:

What the fuck else can those two assholes affect of Hope's life?  

They'll probably try to expose her to the public and/or sue her....basically the stuff she herself had every right to do to them before she lip locked with Thomas. But that would've involved Steffy/Ridge losing or at least taking a semi critical hit so naturally....Hope kissing Thomas it is 🙄🙄

19 hours ago, KerleyQ said:

Please, this show will never allow Hope to get one over enough on Steffy as to actually slap her. If anything, it will be like the last time she tried to slap here, where Steffy, of course, had the reflexes to stop her and then intimidate/threaten her over it. Because, remember, Steffy is the most badass snowflake tough girl delicate flower to ever exist. 

Either that or Steffy will get to win whatever fight/slapfest happens. Steffy was able to smack/punch someone like Sheila around with little consequence...I can only imagine what Bradley will let her do to Hope, who knows karate btw, so there's no way a fight between those two is going end how it realistically should....

Edited December 2 by Skarzero

[KerleyQ]

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Bold & Beautiful spoilers for Monday, December 9:

Betrayed and heartbroken, Zende walks out on Forrester Creations.

Bill is drawn to Luna’s letter and pays her a visit behind bars.

Carter and Ridge lock horns in a fiery showdown with no room for compromise.

Wait, so Zende is going to feel betrayed and heartbroken by Carter and Hope? I'm not sure I really get that, but let's see how it plays out. 

Kick his ass out of your office, Carter. Do it. 

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Bold & Beautiful spoilers for Tuesday, December 10:

Luna tries to play Dollar Bill — but is she the one being played?

Brooke and Carter back Hope as Ridge unleashes on her.

I'm happy to have Luna back, but please don't let them be heading for anything romantic there, for the love of God.  Besides, Bill's Brooke senses should be tingling right about now. 

And fuck Ridge.  Also, this is all so insulting to Carter. His "brother" doesn't think he's capable of thinking above the waistline. 

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Bold & Beautiful spoilers for Wednesday, December 11:

Remy keeps his plans from Will and forces Deacon to defend himself.

Brooke is torn as Eric and Ridge rage against Hope over the company.

I don't even know what that Remy/Deacon spoiler means, but I will say that Sheila is falling down on the job when it comes to Remy's presence in Deacon's life. Does game not recognize game?  Can't she sense a kindred stalking psycho spirit when in one's presence? 

Brooke is torn?  Really, Brooke?  Come on. And now Eric is all in on evil, vile temptress Hope, manipulating men with her powerful vagina?  The Forresters can all just fuck off into the sun. 

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Bold & Beautiful spoilers for Thursday, December 12:

Remy makes a game-changing decision.

Brooke snaps as Ridge attacks Hope.

Oh, finally, Brooke is going to realize her "destiny" isn't perfect?  I wonder how much hateful shit he heaps on her daughter, the daughter he helped raise and who he claims when the mood suits him, before she finally dares to snap at him. After all of this, can it be the end of Brooke ever tiptoeing around Steffy because she's Ridge's precious little angel daughter?  

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Bold & Beautiful spoilers for Friday, December 13:

Hope and Carter step into power at Forrester Creations.

The Forresters and Logans clash in a high-stakes battle for control.

Please, please, please tell me that them stepping into power involves Steffy being walked out of the building in front of everyone. 

So, when they say Logans, does that include Donna?  Or are the writers just going to pretend she doesn't exist for this storyline, so they don't have to make her choose sides? 

[Anna Yolei]

15 hours ago, KerleyQ said:

Wait, so Zende is going to feel betrayed and heartbroken by Carter and Hope? I'm not sure I really get that, but let's see how it plays out. 

How did *either* of them betray him more than the grandfather that punted him to the side for Ridge's kid who didn't even want to be a designer  or the cousin who considered him acceptable collateral damage when gutting HFTF over her personal issues? Hope and Carter would at least put energy into marketing his designs.

Absolute clown buffoonery.

15 hours ago, KerleyQ said:

So, when they say Logans, does that include Donna?  Or are the writers just going to pretend she doesn't exist for this storyline, so they don't have to make her choose sides? 

And RJ too.

ESPECIALLY him.

[SweePea59]

On 12/7/2024 at 12:39 AM, KerleyQ said:

I don't even know what that Remy/Deacon spoiler means, but I will say that Sheila is falling down on the job when it comes to Remy's presence in Deacon's life. Does game not recognize game?  Can't she sense a kindred stalking psycho spirit when in one's presence? 

In the first interaction between Sheila and Remy it looked like Sheila did have a game recognizes game reaction. But in their second, it didn't. I'm all for Sheila being a hero in this story line that should be a summer story line, BTW, but I don't think they are going to go there. I expect Sheila to be passive, and supportive of Deacon, but not really a player throughout this story line.

18 hours ago, Anna Yolei said:

And RJ too.

ESPECIALLY him.

RJ who? He has been conspicuously absent throughout this mess and the Luna mess. We should have seen him experiencing heartbreak and betrayal with regard to Luna, not just a throwaway convo with Zende. I would love a recast because the character really should be involved.

[Skarzero]

On 12/7/2024 at 12:39 AM, KerleyQ said:

Betrayed and heartbroken, Zende walks out on Forrester Creations.

And What has Eric, Ridge, and Steffy done for him lately that would warrant his trust or loyalty to them??? Even with Hope & Carter coming out of this shiesty, they've never directly fucked him over* before. This is giving plot driven bullshit like no tomorrow. 

I know it's the writing & not the character so much, but I don't think I'll be able to bring myself to feel sorry for him when control inevitably goes back to Brad's favorite Forresters & Zende is shoved aside again for one of Ridge's kids. 

*The only thing I can think of is that Zende is still salty over Paris leaving him for Carter that time, and he doesn't mind Hope per se, but Carter specifically is what turns him off. That's fine then I guess...but still at most, he should only be mildly conflicted about staying.

[Anna Yolei]

Didn't Zende and Paris still get back together anyway after that mess? And then a few months after the last time we saw them together, he was sniffing after Luna. If thats the excuse this show tries to run with, it really doesn't wash.

Not that it'll stop the idiots in charge, I'm sure.

5 hours ago, SweePea59 said:

RJ who? He has been conspicuously absent throughout this mess and the Luna mess. We should have seen him experiencing heartbreak and betrayal with regard to Luna, not just a throwaway convo with Zende. I would love a recast because the character really should be involved.

I wouldn't say any of the legacy kids have had great writing but the boys apart from Rick get absolute bupkiss. Original teen Thomas was on the show for eight years in both of his notable romances happened in his first 18 months on the show. '05 to '09 was just dead space and then suddenly he's fire bombing Rick's car. The following three have all been various flavors of starkerish crazy..

I thought he was an anomaly because Bell was just a Tridge hater but no, somehow he's given Ridge Forrester's own namesake with Brooke even worse treatment!