S07.E21: Reunion (Part II)

[LotusFlower]

TOTALLY agree with this except the part where you say all this shows she has self-awareness.  That she saw John and got embarrassed shows she has awareness, not self-awareness.  Self-awareness would help her acknowledge the effect of the five dirrrrrty martinis.

You're right. The trait of self-awareness, or lack thereof, is so often talked about and assigned to these ladies that I must have written the word "self-awareness" by default! I meant "awareness" - plain and simple.

[Mrs peel]

I don't think she needed to say anything, but because she didn't, I don't think she has any business talking about John's behavior being wrong. Whether in a TH or with Ramona at Dorinda's house...and Kristen brought it up to Dorinda, not Ramona.

Kristen said to Dorinda that she was fine at first then began to feel "uncomfortable" and "walked away". She did not say that he did anything "wrong" but that SHE stared to feel uncomfortable and that is fine. She tried to not blame anyone at first but then she did add that he got "grabby/touchy feely", which he did and that it made HER uncomfortable. Had she wanted to make it sound like he was in the wrong she would have said "had he not grabbed me and pulled me into him without my OK, I would have been fine".

No, Ramona brought up John, not Kristen and Ramona asked her about what happened at Dorinda's party at the bar. My comment about taking John to task about this is because, IMO, she was wrong to take Kristen to task for it at all. Kristen owes Dorinda nothing, John is the one in the relationship with Dorinda, not Kristen.

Exactly. Dorinda is the one who keeps saying Kristin was "blaming" John.

Lord, she was primed in the clip for part 2. Jeez, Andy asked Kristin for her thoughts, and Dorinda steamrolled over her attempt to say anything. Bothering to learn Kristin has posed topless? Really?? Starts to make me think "the lady doth protest too much." I wonder how often she hears John is handsy.

I gotta co-sign Mozelle's explanation. Kristin was flirty, when it turned uncomfortable when he turned around and had his junk against her (and let's recall how appalled everyone was when Groege did this), it got uncomfortable and she got out of it. She didn't make a scene at the party, she took care of herself. I think the difference is that John was not uncomfortable when Kristin was against his back, and Kristin had some control in that situation - she could back up and get away. When he was behind her and his hands went to her hips, yeah I would be very uncomfortable too.

And John let her go, he didn't try to pull her back or anything. So it wasn't anything that needed to be brought up at the party.

Edited because handy and handsy are not the same thing!

Edited August 25, 2015 by Mrs peel

[LotusFlower]

I can't blame Kristen for disliking either of them. Seems she might have more in common with Ramona than she realized.       http://stoopidhousewives.com/2015/08/24/kristentaekman-househusband-denies-being-ashleymadison-client-despite-proof-rhony/

OMG!

Asshole! And let the record reflect that 99% of us said this about him before hearing about this!

[talula]

It sounds to me like Dorinda was mad about the behavior, not just about it being brought up in her home. She said something about Kristen being married and a mother, and why was it necessary for her to act that way at her cocktail party (she gives John an excuse because he is "single"). She is clearly upset about the way that John behaves, but doesn't want anyone talking about it. Interesting that in this clip, she does put blame on Ramona as well as on Kristen. I wonder if she will do that at all during the reunion, or if it will all be Kristen's fault.

http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/season-6/videos/unseen-footage-of-rhonys-biggest-fights?clip=2870223

Thanks for sharing the video. Poor Doris...Kristen really hurt your feelings...she walked away! How about your boyfriend turning around so he could "grab and grind" another woman...your so called feelings should have been hurt by him. IMO, Dorinda was jealous that John was pleasuring himself vigorously with another woman on national TV...not her!

If I saw my boyfriend (now married for decades) do that to another woman that sandwich would have been diced and sliced and thrown into the sink waste disposal! He turned Kristen around to compact the sandwich.

Edited August 25, 2015 by talula

[talula]

I personally think John can do better. He seems like a nice enough guy. It seems like originally Dorinda enjoyed his company. I don't think she's attracted to him though. She has been real quick to put the brakes on by whipping out the Hannah is still grieving her step father's death. Years ago. And, we're going to ignore how long it's taking Hannah to pull herself together as long as means that John can't spend the night, Dorinda can't live with John, John can't be in the room with Hannah and on and on. To me, Dorinda uses the "Hannah is fragile". Card anytime she wants to hold John at arms length.

Could it be Dorinda turned down John's marriage proposal because she doesn't want him living under the same roof as Hannah?

[shoegal]

And John let her go, he didn't try to pull her back or anything. So it wasn't anything that needed to be brought up at the party.

My question is why does she need to bring it up at all?

[LotusFlower]

My question is why does she need to bring it up at all?

She didn't. Ramona did. All Kristen did was chime in on the topic Ramona raised, and there's nothing wrong with saying that John was a little too handsy for her liking, if that's how she felt.

[talula]

Here's the clip of them 'dancing' (down near the end of the blog).  Interesting it seemed that Dorinda was pissed off at John after that.  I don't think Kris made that big a deal about it in the Berkshires.  I do think Dorinda went overboard with Kris because she laid no blame on John during the conversation between her, Ro and Kris.  Especially when she gave John permission because he's single.  It's just another example of when Dorinda goes to her place of anger, she looses rationality.

 

http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/season-7/blogs/kristen-taekman/kristen-johns-hands-got-a-little

Looks like Kristen tried to get away and he pulled her back in...then she forcefully had to pull away the second time to get away from his grasp! Doris was doing damage control for her magenta faced inappropriate acting boyfriend IMO. Heck Dorinda was so mad she wouldn't even give Mr. Sausage/Hands a kiss.

[shoegal]

She didn't. Ramona did. All Kristen did was chime in on the topic Ramona raised, and there's nothing wrong with saying that John was a little too handsy for her liking, if that's how she felt.

Kristen is the one who brought up that night. Yes, Ramona brought up John first but Kristen brought up that night as an example...whether you want to call it "chiming in" or "bringing up". It's the same difference.

I understand Kristen felt uncomfortable and she had that right, but John didn't know that. Why does Kristen need to vocalize this on camera, as if John did something wrong?

Looks like Kristen tried to get away and he pulled her back in...then she forcefully had to pull away the second time to get away from his grasp! Doris was doing damage control for her magenta faced inappropriate acting boyfriend IMO. Heck Dorinda was so mad she wouldn't even give Mr. Sausage/Hands a kiss.

They were bumping and grinding, and she's laughing. Once she broke away, it was over.

[LotusFlower]

Kristen is the one who brought up that night. Yes, Ramona brought up John first but Kristen brought up that night as an example...whether you want to call it "chiming in" or "bringing up". It's the same difference.

I wasn't trying to be sneaky. Yes, Kristen "brought up" the example of John's handsiness to add to the conversation that Ramona started. Nothing wrong with that.

I understand Kristen felt uncomfortable and she had that right, but John didn't know that. Why does Kristen need to vocalize this on camera, as if John did something wrong?.

It is not ok to put the responsibility of decorum or decency on a woman (or anyone, for that matter) when someone else does something wrong or inappropriate. Can a woman vocalize her displeasure? Sure. But she can also walk away. Or kick him in the balls. Or anything. The problem is John - he's often gross and inappropriate with women. If, as you say, he doesn't know that, then he wasn't raised right. Or he's just an ass. (Shades of Teresa Giudice defending her husband for using a gay slur - "he's a good guy...he's not homophobic...everyone he knows uses that word"). It's never ok to put the onus on the victim. Put the onus where it belongs - on John.

[racked]

Oh man I really feel for Kristen. What a way to find out your douchebag husband is cheating. Take him to the cleaners Kristen! Just not John's place.

Dorinda is a fucking lunatic! She makes very little sense. Kristen was being a bit gossipy but she's got every right to speak up if she feels uncomfortable with the way some guy acted.

[LotusFlower]

Oh man I really feel for Kristen. What a way to find out your douchebag husband is cheating. Take him to the cleaners Kristen! Just not John's place.

Now that's funny!

Dorinda is a fucking lunatic! She makes very little sense. Kristen was being a bit gossipy but she's got every right to speak up if she feels uncomfortable with the way some guy acted.

Right on.

[shoegal]

I wasn't trying to be sneaky. Yes, Kristen "brought up" the example of John's handsiness to add to the conversation that Ramona started. Nothing wrong with that.

It is not ok to put the responsibility of decorum or decency on a woman (or anyone, for that matter) when someone else does something wrong or inappropriate. Can a woman vocalize her displeasure? Sure. But she can also walk away. Or kick him in the balls. Or anything. The problem is John - he's often gross and inappropriate with women. If, as you say, he doesn't know that, then he wasn't raised right. Or he's just an ass. (Shades of Teresa Giudice defending her husband for using a gay slur - "he's a good guy...he's not homophobic...everyone he knows uses that word"). It's never ok to put the onus on the victim. Put the onus where it belongs - on John.

Put the onus on the "victim"?? This is where we disagree, strongly. Kristen is not a victim. Why is John's behavior inappropriate, when Kristen was laughing and playing along? She says she was uncomfortable, but she didn't tell *him* she was uncomfortable, so he had no idea that it wasn't fun for her, because she was *giggling* and swaying her hips! The problem is that Kristen drew a line in her head, but didn't tell John, and actively encouraged the behavior that offended her. Kristen doesn't become the "victim" because she is a woman who was uncomfortable.

[AnnA]

Why is John's behavior inappropriate, when Kristen was laughing and playing along? 

 

Yes, she was laughing and  playing along until she became uncomfortable and then she left.

 

Why is John's behavior inappropriate?     I don't know where to begin.   A grown man with any sense of decorum doesn't get all touchy-feely with women who are not his wife, girlfriend or significant other.  It's totally inappropriate.

[shoegal]

Yes, she was laughing and  playing along until she became uncomfortable and then she left.

 

Why is John's behavior inappropriate?     I don't know where to begin.   A grown man with any sense of decorum doesn't get all touchy-feely with women who are not his wife, girlfriend or significant other.  It's totally inappropriate.

Why is it not totally inappropriate that Kristen was getting touchy-feely and grinding up on a man that is not her husband, boyfriend or significant other?

[ryebread]

Dang.  Good points on both sides of the argument.  If I were part of the sandwich, I'd be the cheese from Switzerland.

[AnnA]

Why is it not totally inappropriate that Kristen was getting touchy-feely and grinding up on a man that is not her husband, boyfriend or significant other?

 

I didn't see her getting touchy-feely but yes, you're right; she shouldn't have been grinding with John.  I don't remember seeing her do that but if you say she did, I believe you.

[LotusFlower]

Put the onus on the "victim"?? This is where we disagree, strongly. Kristen is not a victim. Why is John's behavior inappropriate, when Kristen was laughing and playing along? She says she was uncomfortable, but she didn't tell *him* she was uncomfortable, so he had no idea that it wasn't fun for her, because she was *giggling* and swaying her hips! The problem is that Kristen drew a line in her head, but didn't tell John, and actively encouraged the behavior that offended her. Kristen doesn't become the "victim" because she is a woman who was uncomfortable.

i used the word victim to make an analogy, as well as to make a point. I doubt Kristen felt victimized, but his handsiness got to the point where it made her uncomfortable, so she walked away, and said or did nothing about it until Ramona raised the subject. Again, nothing wrong with that. The ONLY person who did something wrong here was John. THAT is the point I'm trying to make. Look, it's not the crime of the century, but he is this way, and it's not cool. If his parents or society didn't teach him how to be appropriate around women, maybe his girlfriend can. But Kristen has absolutely no obligation in this regard. None.

[shoegal]

i used the word victim to make an analogy, as well as to make a point. I doubt Kristen felt victimized, but his handsiness got to the point where it made her uncomfortable, so she walked away, and said or did nothing about it until Ramona raised the subject. Again, nothing wrong with that. The ONLY person who did something wrong here was John. THAT is the point I'm trying to make. Look, it's not the crime of the century, but he is this way, and it's not cool. If his parents or society didn't teach him how to be appropriate around women, maybe his girlfriend can. But Kristen has absolutely no obligation in this regard. None.

John did something wrong because Kristen decided it wasn't fun anymore? Nope, not buying it. Kristen was dancing, laughing and grinding *with* John. I understand that at a certain point she felt uncomfortable, but John is not a mind reader. If he had continued to dance and grab her *after* she told him it was not ok, then yes, he would be doing something wrong. How was John supposed to know she wasn't having fun anymore? When she's actively acting like she enjoys it, by laughing and swaying her hips?

What responsibility does Kristen have to be appropriate around men? Or can she hang and dance and grind all over whomever she chooses?

[LotusFlower]

John did something wrong because Kristen decided it wasn't fun anymore? Nope, not buying it. Kristen was dancing, laughing and grinding *with* John. I understand that at a certain point she felt uncomfortable, but John is not a mind reader. If he had continued to dance and grab her *after* she told him it was not ok, then yes, he would be doing something wrong. How was John supposed to know she wasn't having fun anymore? When she's actively acting like she enjoys it, by laughing and swaying her hips?

What responsibility does Kristen have to be appropriate around men? Or can she hang and dance and grind all over whomever she chooses?

Kristen was pretty flirty/borderline inappropriate with John in the way she was hanging on to him. If I was her husband (and let's pretend for a second that he's not douchebag Josh), I'd tell her she was a little embarrassing, and maybe knock that off, but it's not a big deal. Sonja was a mess, and totally inappropriate in how she flirted and grinded with her friend's boyfriend, and that's Sonja. John was the grossest and most inappropriate of all. It's one thing to dance and flirt with ladies who are not your girlfriend right in front of your girlfriend, it's another thing to put your hands on a woman's hips the way John did, slap her ass, and make a joke about Dorinda walking far away so he could get his grind on. The guy's a pig. And I'm saying it out loud, unlike Kristen.

[shoegal]

...and when John put his hands on Kristen's hips, (and he didn't smack her ass, it was her hip) she started swaying her hips back and forth, grinding into his crotch. In front of her husband. Oink oink.

Edited August 25, 2015 by shoegal

[LotusFlower]

...and when John put his hands on Kristen's hips, (and he didn't smack her ass, it was her hip) she started swaying her hips back and forth, grinding into his crotch. In front of her husband..

It was inappropriate. I acknowledged that. They all had too much to drink and acted inappropriately. But it's the degree of inappropriateness that makes a difference here. And on this front, John takes the cake.

[hoodooznoodooz]

Could someone please explain Beth's "joke" that Ramona is now "Rinona Ryder"?

[shoegal]

It was inappropriate. I acknowledged that. They all had too much to drink and acted inappropriately. But it's the degree of inappropriateness that makes a difference here. And on this front, John takes the cake.

Sounds to me like a double standard.

[WireWrap]

Could someone please explain Beth's "joke" that Ramona is now "Rinona Ryder"?

Ramona "shoplifted" the dresses like Ryder did at some store years ago.

[LotusFlower]

Sounds to me like a double standard.

Not at all. I held them to the same standard, and applied that standard to all of them individually in my post above.

[AnnA]

FYI.........Part II of the NY Reunion is on 8:00 PM EST

[shoegal]

Not at all. I held them to the same standard, and applied that standard to all of them individually in my post above.

So what I'm seeing is that it's more inappropriate for John to grind on Kristen than it is for Kristen to grind on John.

Nope, still a double standard to me.

This is after you said this "The ONLY person who did something wrong here was John."

Edited August 25, 2015 by shoegal

[LotusFlower]

So what I'm seeing is that it's more inappropriate for John to grind on Kristen than it is for Kristen to grind on John.

Nope, still a double standard to me.

No, their behavior was different. Not all grinds are created equal!

[breezy424]

The ironic thing about the 'sandwich' is that if Doris was going to lay blame, Sonja was really the worst offender in this.  Couple that with her prancing into Doris's bedroom with John there in her 'robe'.  But it's no surprise.  We all know by now that Doris is a suck up and apparently has different rules for different housewives.  

[shoegal]

No, their behavior was different. Not all grinds are created equal!

...but a sandwich is a sandwich. If you are in the sandwich, you're in the sandwich.

[hoodooznoodooz]

I watched the clip again and again. I think I would have felt the same way Kristin did. John is really grabbing her. And the way he kind of slaps her, like she's hanging in a meat locker. And then he kind of grunts. Her giggling, it seems like she's just really nervous and giggling because she doesn't know what else to do or to cover for her nervousness. I agree with the other posters who believe Dorinda is embarrassed by John's behavior, but it is easier to attack Kristin.

[shoegal]

The ironic thing about the 'sandwich' is that if Doris was going to lay blame, Sonja was really the worst offender in this.  Couple that with her prancing into Doris's bedroom with John there in her 'robe'.  But it's no surprise.  We all know by now that Doris is a suck up and apparently has different rules for different housewives.

Agreed about Sonja and the robe, but I suspect Dorinda would never have said anything to Kristen if Kristen wasn't trying to paint John as handsy and inappropriate.

[LotusFlower]

...but a sandwich is a sandwich. If you are in the sandwich, you're in the sandwich.

I don't even know what this means, but I think the bacon is more important than the lettuce in a BLT, and John is the bacon.

[AnnA]

I watched the clip again and again. I think I would have felt the same way Kristin did. John is really grabbing her. And the way he kind of slaps her, like she's hanging in a meat locker. And then he kind of grunts. Her giggling, it seems like she's just really nervous and giggling because she doesn't know what else to do or to cover for her nervousness. I agree with the other posters who believe Dorinda is embarrassed by John's behavior, but it is easier to attack Kristin.

 

I just watched it too and John was acting like a pig.   It starts off with Sonja telling him she was named for Sonja Henie the ice skater and he asks if it was Sonja Hiney.  His face is red as a beet and he's glaring at Sonja's body.   When they first form the "sandwich" he is grinding up against Sonja's ass and Kristen is behind him.  However, her hands and arms are on his shoulders.  He suggests the turn around and is behind Kristen with his hands on her hips.  He makes a comment about her wearing leather and snuggles up closer to her ass.  That's when she bolts...........

 

 So No............it's not a double standard.   Kristen's actions were nothing like John's.

Edited August 25, 2015 by AnnA

[zoeysmom]

I think all one has to do is ask if they would be uncomfortable with a  younger,beautiful, married, tall model coming up and having her put her arm around your husband/boyfriend pressing her breasts into his back and dancing pressed up against him.  I am thinking Brandi sitting on David Foster's lap sometimes people get a little too familiar.  I think many women would be upset with a woman who approached and then later complained about the man-especially if she were your guest.  The difference between Foster/Brandi and John/Kristen is Kristen did the approaching.

Edited August 25, 2015 by zoeysmom

[hoodooznoodooz]

So what I'm seeing is that it's more inappropriate for John to grind on Kristen than it is for Kristen to grind on John.

Nope, still a double standard to me.

This is after you said this "The ONLY person who did something wrong here was John."

I think a woman grinding the front of her body against the back of a man can be VERY different from a man grinding the front of his body against the back of a woman. I mentioned this when the episode first aired, but isn't it possible that after John flipped her around, Kristin suddenly realized that John had an erection?

[breezy424]

Agreed about Sonja and the robe, but I suspect Dorinda would never have said anything to Kristen if Kristen wasn't trying to paint John as handsy and inappropriate.

My problem with the situation is that Dorinda laid the blame all on Kris.  She was wrong with the John is 'single' comment as well as the Kris, as a model, has posed topless and that she was embarrassed for Kris and herself.  Her reaction wasn't reasonable.  If she's going to lay blame, at the very least, John was just as at 'fault' as Kris but she doesn't acknowledge it.  Nor does she acknowledge Sonja.

 

Bottom line for me is that Kris was being playful (and yes, we can debate that) but John did get a little too handsy and Dorinda wouldn't acknowledge that.  Instead she put total blame on Kris.  

[shoegal]

...but before she bolts, she wiggles her ass against his crotch.

[breezy424]

I think all one has to do is ask if they would be uncomfortable with a  younger,beautiful, married, tall model coming up and having her put her arm around your husband/boyfriend pressing her breasts into his back and dancing pressed up against him.  I am thinking Brandi sitting on David Foster's lap sometimes people get a little too familiar.  I think many women would be upset with a woman who approached and then later complained about the man-especially if she were your guest.  The difference between Foster/Brandi and John?Kristen is Kristen did the approaching.

Actually we don't know if Kris pressed her breasts into John's back.  Yes, she put her arms around his neck but that doesn't mean she 'pressed' or grinded her breasts into his back.  And again,  if she had a problem with Kris doing this, why didn't she get upset with Sonja who was doing a whole lot more than Kris.  Double standard - Dorinda's MO.

[shoegal]

I think a woman grinding the front of her body against the back of a man can be VERY different from a man grinding the front of his body against the back of a woman. I mentioned this when the episode first aired, but isn't it possible that after John flipped her around, Kristin suddenly realized that John had an erection?

I don't think it's very different, perhaps Kristen didn't realize that pressing your tits up against a guy might be inappropriate.

As far as the erection, he's a 50 year old man who is overweight and he's been drinking. I'd be surprised if he could get one without some pharmaceutical assistance, but you never know!

Edited August 25, 2015 by shoegal

[zoeysmom]

I think Kristen needs to be taking stock of her own marriage and quit trying to stir crap up in others' relationships. Josh has admitted to Ashley Madison accounts  http://www.people.com/article/rhony-kristen-taekman-husband-josh-admits-ashley-madison-account

 

Sounds like Kristen will have a storyline if she returns next season.

[AnnA]

Actually we don't know if Kris pressed her breasts into John's back. Yes, she put her arms around his neck but that doesn't mean she 'pressed' or grinded her breasts into his back. And again, if she had a problem with Kris doing this, why didn't she get upset with Sonja who was doing a whole lot more than Kris. Double standard - Dorinda's MO.

Sometimes I just have to stop and laugh at the way we react to these women's antics. If I was Dorinda (God forbid) I would be annoyed at Kristen too but I would be mad as hell at John and Sonja. I think Dorinda's anger towards Kristen was more about her saying John got "handsy" with her than anything. Dorinda was clearly upset in that clip and Kristen bringing it up to her face, in her home and on her birthday was like rubbing salt in her open wound.

Edited August 25, 2015 by AnnA

[LotusFlower]

I think Kristen needs to be taking stock of her own marriage and quit trying to stir crap up in others' relationships. Josh has admitted to Ashley Madison accounts  http://www.people.com/article/rhony-kristen-taekman-husband-josh-admits-ashley-madison-account

 

Sounds like Kristen will have a storyline if she returns next season.

Wait - five minutes ago, he said there was no way he was a subscriber, and this was obviously a mistake. Now he's admitting it. What happened? I also love how he's downplaying it as a joke he did "with friends". How is this a group activity?

Kristen can now join the other ladies in the cougar-on-the-prowl narrative. Or was that last season...moving on....

In all seriousness, I feel terrible for her. I hope and pray she dumps his ass. Sadly, I don't think she will.

[zoeysmom]

Wait - five minutes ago, he said there was no way he was a subscriber, and this was obviously a mistake. Now he's admitting it. What happened? I also love how he's downplaying it as a joke he did "with friends". How is this a group activity?

Kristen can now join the other ladies in the cougar-on-the-prowl narrative. Or was that last season...moving on....

In all seriousness, I feel terrible for her. I hope and pray she dumps his ass. Sadly, I don't think she will.

it may have saved her career on RHNYC.  What is true is two years ago she made the decision to do this show and focus on his products and get herself some product.  I wonder if she thinks it is worth it-Josh account would have never been important had  it not been for the show.

[OhGromit]

When John was in front of Kristen, Kristen was in control and could keep her distance.  When they turned around, John got too handsy, and it got creepy.  That's it.  

[stinkogingko]

I don't think it's very different, perhaps Kristen didn't realize that pressing your tits up against a guy might be inappropriate.

As far as the erection, he's a 50 year old man who is overweight and he's been drinking. I'd be surprised if he could get one without some pharmaceutical assistance, but you never know!

All this talk of tits and grinding. And now you've insulted John.

Dorinda thought Kristen's behavior inappropriate and she's brought it up several times. Why is it wrong for Kristen to do the same? We giggle when people say Heather talks a lot. Why is that OK but Kristen commenting on John's behavior isn't? Is it because Kristen started out participating? Did she thus put herself in the position of having to accept responsibility for whatever came next? Because it's alway the girl's fault when the guy goes a little too far? Would Kristen have preserved her right to comment if she'd protested at the time?

[slitz]

Dorinda's imitation of things Kristen did NOT say was ridiculous and totally over the top.

 

THIS.  When I first saw the previews for this weeks' episode, I thought perhaps Dorinda was mocking Heather's reaction to Naked Guy in T&C.  For her to be mocking Kristen's reaction to John was a complete disconnect for me.  I found myself going "What?  When did Kristen act like that?"  Kristen's reaction to John turning her around and grinding on her was to giggle nervously and run away.  And that was the end of it.  She didn't run around the cocktail party then claiming to be traumatized or offended.  She didn't say anything at all until asked in her TH and then by Ramona at Dorinda's Berkshires house.  And even then, she very clearly says that they were having a good time but then it changed and so she removed herself from the situation.  That should have been the end of the discussion.  Instead Dorinda flies of the handle and starts reaming Kristen.  Why haven't we seen her ream Sonja?  Or John?  They were involved too.

 

I started off liking Dorinda, and I did enjoy the scenes of her and Carole in London, but man, she is one loose cannon.  If there is another season and Dorinda returns, I think she may find herself getting the "bad edit".

[Xcptnl]

How does Josh explain 2 years of this as joking around with friends? That is such a poor lie. If you are going to lie be more creative than this!

Edited August 25, 2015 by Xcptnl

[Mozelle]

I think Kristen needs to be taking stock of her own marriage and quit trying to stir crap up in others' relationships. Josh has admitted to Ashley Madison accounts  http://www.people.com/article/rhony-kristen-taekman-husband-josh-admits-ashley-madison-account

 

Sounds like Kristen will have a storyline if she returns next season.

 

I'm missing the correlation. At a reunion filmed a month or so ago, Andy brought up a topic from nearly a year ago because Dorinda decided to take exception to Kristen saying that she was uncomfortable with what John did. Kristen talking about that means that she's not only creating conflict in someone else's relationship but that she's unconcerned with what's going on in her own marriage?

 

Her entire first season was pretty much her taking stock of her own marriage. I highly doubt that that has changed in her personal, away-from-Bravo-cameras life just because she's speaking on camera about John making her uncomfortable. 

Edited August 25, 2015 by Mozelle