Watt August 12, 2015 Share August 12, 2015 Maybe cece is actually Bethany and Bethany killed Charles 2 Link to comment
jjjmoss August 12, 2015 Share August 12, 2015 (edited) Wasn't Bethany supposed to be the same age as Alison? ok this makes no sense. Charles was supposedly in his early 20s when Marion Cavanaugh died!!! Numbers are only a theory on PLL. Edited August 12, 2015 by jjjmoss 1 Link to comment
itainttippithebird August 12, 2015 Share August 12, 2015 Beyond the UGH of it all - Mrs Cavanaugh died one year before Jenna moved to town. No way Charles was only like, 12 or 13 then! This is such a baseline STUPID timeline problem that I can't even. 1 Link to comment
Cranberry August 12, 2015 Author Share August 12, 2015 This is so boring... a bunch of exposition while the liars look on from afar and react to it? Link to comment
raytch August 12, 2015 Share August 12, 2015 Ok I refuse to believe this. Like, there has to be a twist right? because this is like.... wow that makes no sense and ties nothing together. 2 Link to comment
WhosThatGirl August 12, 2015 Share August 12, 2015 I hate everything about what just happened on this show right now. I really do. I don't like that they made it an evil transgender storyline, because at the end of it, that's what this has become. The things Cece did to the liars were evil. This is just bad PLL. Really bad. I feel like I can't even form coherent thoughts on this episode. Link to comment
Lady Calypso August 12, 2015 Share August 12, 2015 ....so, this is, I'm sure, going to be true. I'm getting pissed off right now. This is so, so, so bad. Link to comment
Cranberry August 12, 2015 Author Share August 12, 2015 I will give Vanessa Ray credit; she's selling this crap as best she can. 5 Link to comment
KaveDweller August 12, 2015 Share August 12, 2015 "I know what you're going to say....it's screwed up that I dated my brother." Yeah, CeCe, I hate when people make a big deal about incest too. 5 Link to comment
Lady Calypso August 12, 2015 Share August 12, 2015 Does nobody know how to check pulses? Link to comment
Watt August 12, 2015 Share August 12, 2015 Well I wasn't expecting it, that's something. Link to comment
WhosThatGirl August 12, 2015 Share August 12, 2015 Um, no really, guys, I'm seriously trying to handle this crap I'm watching. Like, what am I watching? I know I was pretty upset when Ezra turned out to be writing a book but.. wow. This might be the worst thing to ever come out of this show, EVER! How did everyone on this show keep praising how good this was? Its not good at all. 4 Link to comment
jjjmoss August 12, 2015 Share August 12, 2015 So Cece/Charles killed (ish) Bethany? Hmm. Link to comment
Lady Calypso August 12, 2015 Share August 12, 2015 Sadly, I did. At least, it was a theory that floated around. But I think one of the most ridiculous thing is that Radley allowed Cece to go through an apparently really quick transition at seventeen. Radley sucks. ....Mona killed Bethany. Wow. Ok then? Link to comment
Cranberry August 12, 2015 Author Share August 12, 2015 Mona actually tired to murder Ali but got Bethany instead? Wow. Link to comment
hcs August 12, 2015 Share August 12, 2015 and once again Mona who killed Bethany comes off more sympathetic then CC or A Link to comment
WhosThatGirl August 12, 2015 Share August 12, 2015 And now Mona killed Bethany? WHAT IS HAPPENING ON THIS SHOW? Link to comment
GlamDiva August 12, 2015 Share August 12, 2015 So was Ali in the ground like an hour before the Grunwald pulled her out? This makes no sense. Link to comment
jjjmoss August 12, 2015 Share August 12, 2015 (edited) Wait I'm confused. So is it that: Cece smacked Bethany on the head, Jessica buried Bethany alive, then Bethany came out and Mona came around and killed her? Or wait, Cece smacked Ali on the head and Ali was buried alive before Grunwald pulled her out, and Mona killed Bethany? Edited August 12, 2015 by jjjmoss Link to comment
Watt August 12, 2015 Share August 12, 2015 It would have better if rhys was Charles and cece was Bethany 1 Link to comment
WhitneyWhit August 12, 2015 Share August 12, 2015 !!! "I just killed your daughter, so it's cool if you don't want to see me anymore" Link to comment
Cranberry August 12, 2015 Author Share August 12, 2015 You know what's making me angriest? The A reveal was supposed to be FUN. We all wanted to see things from A's perspective, to find out how they pulled all this stuff off. I feel like we wanted another Mona, a villain we could love to hate. Now it feels like... if we don't all forgive A for all of the horrible and dangerous things she did to the girls (and she did A LOT of horrible and dangerous things), we're transphobic or something. This is some manipulative bullshit. I'm just so pissed off that they did an evil transgender storyline. Like I said before, there aren't enough sympathetic trans characters on TV yet for them to be giving us portrayals like this. Media MATTERS, and a "crazy" trans character is a bad thing! 8 Link to comment
WhosThatGirl August 12, 2015 Share August 12, 2015 (edited) You guys I am really dumbstruck. I feel like this storyline is stupid and nothing makes sense in it, despite what the PTB were saying. I also feel like it's super offensive to those in the transgender community. ETA: Cranberry, you are right on! Nothing about this reveal is fun at all and it is manipulative. Edited August 12, 2015 by WhosThatGirl 2 Link to comment
ottoDbusdriver August 12, 2015 Share August 12, 2015 If CeCe/Charles only had day privileges out of Radley, how did she spend the entire summer in Cape May with the DiLaurentis clan ? Link to comment
KaveDweller August 12, 2015 Share August 12, 2015 Wait I'm confused. So is it that: Cece smacked Bethany on the head, Jessica buried Bethany alive, then Bethany came out and Mona came around and killed her? Or wait, Cece smacked Ali on the head and Ali was buried alive before Grunwald pulled her out, and Mona killed Bethany? Cece hit Ali (thinking she was Bethany), Jessica buried her, then later Mona hit Bethany (thinking she was Ali). Link to comment
jjjmoss August 12, 2015 Share August 12, 2015 Now it feels like... if we don't all forgive A for all of the horrible and dangerous things she did to the girls (and she did A LOT of horrible and dangerous things), we're transphobic or something. This is some manipulative bullshit. I'm just so pissed off that they did an evil transgender storyline. Like I said before, there aren't enough sympathetic trans characters on TV yet for them to be giving us portrayals like this. Media MATTERS, and a "crazy" trans character is a bad thing! Reminds me of Nicki Minaj claiming Racism with her whole media meltdown over the VMAs. Link to comment
chelsie August 12, 2015 Share August 12, 2015 Lol twitter is not pleased at all. Charles should have been Ezra. Does Mr D not recognise his daughter? Link to comment
Perfect Xero August 12, 2015 Share August 12, 2015 Wait I'm confused. So is it that: Cece smacked Bethany on the head, Jessica buried Bethany alive, then Bethany came out and Mona came around and killed her? Or wait, Cece smacked Ali on the head and Ali was buried alive before Grunwald pulled her out, and Mona killed Bethany? Cece hit Ali, Mrs. D buried her. At some point the G came and pulled Ali out of the graves. Then Mona hit Bethany, mistaking her for Alison and Melissa (also thinking that it was Ali and that Spencer was the one who killed her) buried Bethany in the same hole that had been dug for Alison. Link to comment
raytch August 12, 2015 Share August 12, 2015 This is beyond bad you guys. I can't even imagine how the fandom is reacting to this right now. It makes zero sense and it's freakin offensive and seriously Ali just ask Cece how she got boobs. Link to comment
Lady Calypso August 12, 2015 Share August 12, 2015 Tumblr's not happy either. Marlene really screwed up, here. Not only is she angering the entire PLL community, she's gonna get the LGBT community pissed off too. This is gonna be worse than the How I Met Your Mother series finale! 1 Link to comment
Cranberry August 12, 2015 Author Share August 12, 2015 Well at least Sara Harvey is evil. That's something. 4 Link to comment
itainttippithebird August 12, 2015 Share August 12, 2015 I am just like...numb. Finally, getting all these answers that should feel so satisfying, but I can't enjoy it because I'm so fucking pissed they did this. I would have been happy with ANYONE. It could be Pepe The Dog for all I cared, just not this. The entire queer PLLiverse is going to explode into a million pieces. 1 Link to comment
Lady Calypso August 12, 2015 Share August 12, 2015 You know, with all the good that this show has done with LGBT representation, I'm afraid they just screwed all of this up for Marlene's shitty ass, probably last minute plan for A/Charles. 3 Link to comment
jjjmoss August 12, 2015 Share August 12, 2015 Cece wasn't even introduced until over 50 episodes into the show, ugh. Link to comment
WhosThatGirl August 12, 2015 Share August 12, 2015 I think the show might not be able to come back from this. Its really offensive to the transgender community. No matter which way you slice it, Cece comes off REALLY evil. "No way,shes lying!" Um, Emily, Sarah locked you in that room half an hour ago! 1 Link to comment
Cranberry August 12, 2015 Author Share August 12, 2015 Without the trans thing, this would be fun, because CeCe right now is just on the knife edge of crazy and she really is selling all of this "I love all my dolls" stuff. I just... I can't get past this. This is so stupid. 5 Link to comment
jjjmoss August 12, 2015 Share August 12, 2015 I think the show might not be able to come back from this. Its really offensive to the transgender community. No matter which way you slice it, Cece comes off REALLY evil. "No way,shes lying!" Um, Emily, Sarah locked you in that room half an hour ago! Evil from being crazy. Which...is even worse. Link to comment
chelsie August 12, 2015 Share August 12, 2015 I think Nicki M does have a point in that racism is prevelant in the music industry but that's another thread for another time. I don't mind thT the trans character is evil - I just think it's poorly executed. Link to comment
Lady Calypso August 12, 2015 Share August 12, 2015 I would have been much happier if it was anyone else. ANYONE ELSE. Cece should have been Red Coat. 1 Link to comment
Cranberry August 12, 2015 Author Share August 12, 2015 ...of course Mona's shoe is a weapon! I love Mona so much. 1 Link to comment
GlamDiva August 12, 2015 Share August 12, 2015 So Sarah is red coat AND black widow? Ugh. Link to comment
Watt August 12, 2015 Share August 12, 2015 (edited) I'm still trying to figure out why I should feel sorry for her? Because she was a boy? Is that what Marlene is trying to tell us? That transcended bullying made Charles/Cece insane? I miss Jenna. Edited August 12, 2015 by Watt 4 Link to comment
Lady Calypso August 12, 2015 Share August 12, 2015 Ok, Emily, you punching Sara out cold was so worth it. 2 Link to comment
itainttippithebird August 12, 2015 Share August 12, 2015 I was holding out the last shred of hope that CeCe would just be misunderstood, not "crazy," but the last five minutes blew THAT to bits. GOD.DAMMIT! 1 Link to comment
Cranberry August 12, 2015 Author Share August 12, 2015 Gotta love how Sara suddenly starts throwing extremely obvious evil looks everywhere like she's Toby or something. 2 Link to comment
raytch August 12, 2015 Share August 12, 2015 Red Coat was supposed to be someone who's interacted with all the girls. AND WHAT THE FUCK IS SARAH HARVEY'S MOTIVE? I'm still hoping this is a bad joke. Like they shot multiple options and someone snuck in the wrong version... 1 Link to comment
jjjmoss August 12, 2015 Share August 12, 2015 I think Nicki M does have a point in that racism is prevelant in the music industry but that's another thread for another time. I don't mind thT the trans character is evil - I just think it's poorly executed. Which has nothing to do with what actually happened, just like it's true that trans people have a lot of problems facing them in society, but that doesn't mean everything Cece did is fine as a result. Manipulative bullshit indeed. Link to comment
WhosThatGirl August 12, 2015 Share August 12, 2015 (edited) I'm still trying to figure out why I should feel sorry for her? Because she was a boy? Is that what Marlene is trying to tell us? That transcended bullying made Charles/Cece insane? I miss Jenna. I think so. You have to feel bad because she's transgender. But she is crazy. The things she is saying are messed up, "I wouldn't really hurt them.. only a little, enough for a hospital stay" Its.. this is really bad. I wish she were just misunderstood, but no she is crazy. Edited August 12, 2015 by WhosThatGirl Link to comment
chelsie August 12, 2015 Share August 12, 2015 Cece is an underling tho, the big bad is still out there!! It's just falling flat for me tbh Link to comment
raytch August 12, 2015 Share August 12, 2015 Gotta love how Sara suddenly starts throwing extremely obvious evil looks everywhere like she's Toby or something. Hahaha the glares! Link to comment
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