Social Media and Behind the Scenes: AKA Everything Else Not "News and Media"

[LeighAn]

Reading Marcs tumblr responses and all I can think is wow he is totally a living embodiment of a Pepsi commercial when it comes to being a self proclaimed "liberal".

But beyond his tone deafness and generally being a douche he can keep being such. I'm only here for Olicity OTA Oliver Felicity Diggle and Thea at this point *shrug*

[LeighAn]

10 minutes ago, leopardprint said:

But he can't possibly think Susan was a successful storyline? If the storyline wasn't reviewed negatively it wasn't mentioned at all. Literally no one liked it, it was just varying degrees of dislike. (Oh wait I think one review said they needed a reporter on the team)

Not true all the male entertainment journos loved the storyline. Chris E Hayner was practically the president of the Susan Williams fan club, Matt Mitovich had a poll asking how gross Thea and Felicity getting Susan sacked was then threw a hissy fit when people voted in favor of Thelicity and claimed the results were rigged. Damian Holbrook went full Regina George in a truly hilarious Twitter melt down and started insulting Olicity fans with totally petty and catty comebacks when they called him out for calling Felicity and Thea "dicks" for getting Susan sacked.

 It was amusing #maleegoessosensitive 

[Belinea]

Why is he talking to people? I mean, what happened that he feels the need to interact with people again?

Also I get that people don't like him, and they don't have to. But today I read something where a person wishes for him to get a terminal illness for what he did to LL. I get that if you are a fan of LL that storyline is the hardest pill to swallow but to wish for someone to have any sort of illness goes a bit too far. Regardless of whether or you like that person or not. Or maybe I am just sensitive because of personal experience, who knows. 

That being said people who harass actresses of any show, should ask themselves what's wrong with their own lives. And the paparazzi guy who hates on EBR, should also ask himself why a 25 year old woman doesn't want to talk to him. Maybe because she doesn't have to talk to a stranger. 

Edited April 6, 2017 by Belinea

[leopardprint]

Yes, but did they review the storyline positively other than that one episode? From what I remember, it was more "how dare you attack a journalist" rather than any love of Susie or the storyline herself. Matt M. also backed off pretty quickly. I don't think I know who the others are or write for. 

ETA: Ok just checked the other two and I'm not sure have read reviews by them unless posted here. I was referring to places like AV Club, etc. so I defer to you, @LeighAn ?

ETA2: Yes, I think he must enjoy riling people up because I can't imagine this qualifies as a good PR strategy. WM just says baffling things but she doesn't get into SM debates with people right? 

Edited April 6, 2017 by leopardprint

[LeighAn]

2 minutes ago, Belinea said:

Why is he talking to people? I mean, what happened that he feels the need to interact with people 

I can't claim to speak for Marc but I'm curious whether the soda being sent to set and the reaction to the bed bath and beyond joke got under his skin a little bit.

5 minutes ago, leopardprint said:

Yes, but did they review the storyline positively other than that one episode? From what I remember, it was more "how dare you attack a journalist" rather than any love of Susie or the storyline herself. Matt M. also backed off pretty quickly. I don't think I know who the others are or write for. 

Chris E Hanner writes and is Editor of Screener TV and was formerly of Zap2it I think and Damien Holbrook is an editor or writer for TV Guide/TV Insider.

Chris E Hayner was a definite fan. He wrote a whole article about how Susan was the best new character to brought into season 5 and in fairness to Chris it's like a race to the bottom to pick the "best" new character so... (With the exception of Adrian/Josh)

[leopardprint]

Thanks and Gah! I will take your word for it, @LeighAn, I'm not about to go looking for that article. 

Tbh, he also kinda sounds over the show and done to me, or maybe just over fans in general. 

Edited April 6, 2017 by leopardprint

[sadfangirl]

1 hour ago, Belinea said:

And the paparazzi guy who hates on EBR, should also ask himself why a 25 year old woman doesn't want to talk to him. Maybe because she doesn't have to talk to a stranger. 

He once told someone (then deleted the tweet, but I've seen the screenshot) that EBR was always nice to him (I think she's nice to everyone) so he asked her out. 
When she said no he stalked her for a while and I think was warned off (but can't confirm that).  After that he went into full-on hate mode.

Most of the DC actress will have nothing to do with him, supposedly he's an absolute creep.

[LeighAn]

I've heard the he asked her out and got rejected story too. I also heard that is how the "Emily is a lesbian" rumours started because afterwards he would tell anyone who listened she was gay. 

[Midnight Lullaby]

Well clearly the only explanation for a woman not to date him must be that she doesn't like men. He is every girl's fantasy, hahahahaha.

I find the "list" embarrassing too. And completely unnecessary since I think people that have been online more or less know which journalists are biased or were rude to fans so if that's not their thing they can avoid them. I avoid the trio Damian, Matt, Chris because of how I saw them respond to female fans in the past..especially I remember DH losing it over nothing and calling people names and other things I won't repeat.

MG confirmed even more how pointless his gun control episode was. If you choose not to show a victim's POV not for "in show" reasons what was the point of doing it at all? I remember saying he was a wuss for not taking a stand in the debate and now I'm even more convinced of my initial opinion.

[theOAfc]

9 hours ago, Primal Slayer said:

Crazies are just part of the social media norm. Sarah Michelle Gellar is still getting haters for a show that is 20 years old.

WOW i thought everyone loved Buffy. Weird. 

[Trisha]

7 hours ago, LeighAn said:

Not true all the male entertainment journos loved the storyline. Chris E Hayner was practically the president of the Susan Williams fan club, Matt Mitovich had a poll asking how gross Thea and Felicity getting Susan sacked was then threw a hissy fit when people voted in favor of Thelicity and claimed the results were rigged. Damian Holbrook went full Regina George in a truly hilarious Twitter melt down and started insulting Olicity fans with totally petty and catty comebacks when they called him out for calling Felicity and Thea "dicks" for getting Susan sacked.

Again though, I've followed all three of those guys for years and they were all pro-Felicity/Olicity until the fandom wore them down. CH gifted us with some of the best Olicity interviews ever (yes, he was an early supporter of Susan but that's what the show was selling at the time), MM has traditionally been pretty balanced (and again, I might have hated his poll but the show was clearly selling that Thea & Felicity were in the wrong), and DH used to love Felicity. I remember him saying the "fight to live" speech was the best part of the S4 finale. He didn't really seem exasperated by it until he announced an Arrow cover on TVG and fans got all up in his mentions complaining that there was no Olicity photo shoot. 

Sometimes writers tweet or publish stuff I don't agree with, but the way some people respond to them on twitter (or put them on hater lists) is not going to make them more likely to want to write more about Olicity. Arrow may be waning in the ratings but it's clearly still a big click driver so they're going to write about what's currently happening on the show, and for most of this season that meant writing about Susan, not Felicity. There was a lot of "male critics hate Felicity" talk thrown around this year that I just didn't get. They're writing about the show, so they're following the show's lead. 

[tv echo]

Some more from https://marcguggenheim.tumblr.com/...

jaimelcnnisters asked:
If catering to comic book fans isn't what's happening this season than what was the reason for you to erase Olicity from the show all of a sudden?
If you look at my Twitter and my Tumblr questions, half the people posting think we cater to comic book fans; the other half think we ignore them.  Half think we’re all about Olicity; half think we’ve retconned Olicity out of existence.  Everyone’s mileage varies.

samspurpletoothbrush asked:
You're a goddamn disgrace. How dare you. How dare you do this to the Black Canary and how dare you do this to Katie Cassidy. Your lack of respect for you source material is appalling. There is no Black Canary if there is no Dinah Lance. How dare you.
To be honest, I don’t know how I dare. It just comes naturally.

buckynat asked:
thanks for honoring the green arrow comics you piece of shit!! can't wait for the dc films to finally give us the green arrow and black canary we deserve!!
You’re welcome.
Wait.  You meant “honoring” sarcastically, didn’t you?

ota-olicity asked:
Hi Marc. Have a few questions for you even though I'm sure you're being bombarded. What happened to the Felicity/Havenrock storyline? That was barely touched on. Why was Felicity silenced on the gun episode when she was gunned down in a limo after being engaged? Why does Felicity have no job this season when she's the smartest person on the show/DC universe essentially. Finally,

why did you wait 30 episodes to let Olicity have a talk after keeping them apart?

HAVENROCK – What more were you looking for?
513 – Let’s visit the parallel universe where Felicity referenced 409.  Can you just hear the squeals of complaints?  “Look at Felicity, making it all about her…” Oy!  Neither of want that.
FELICITY’S JOB – She’s got a generous severance from Palmer Tech.
OLICITY – We had other story to tell.

smoakinoverwatch asked:
So let me get this straight. You silenced Felicity on purpose,the character who was mostly affected by gun violence. And you did that because of online complaints from a fanbase who has been sending death and rape threats to Felicity fans for no reason ??? Do you realize how disgusting that sounds ? What happened to no fanservice uh? Guess it doesn't apply when sexist men like you are involved.
I’m just saying that sometimes, there’s just no winning.
Like when someone you’ve never met and doesn’t really know you accuses you of being sexist.

smoakinelli asked:
You say shippers don't influence your writing, fine, whatever. But then you just answered another questions in which you said that you didn't let Felicity have a POV in the gun control episode because of people who complain about her? So which is it? Do people influence the writing or not? And why listen to the same people who sent ya'll death threats? Hers was an important POV that should've been explored. The role of "person that doesn't want to talk about it" could've gone to someone else.
I respect your point of view.

splitsunshine asked:
Yes, there is no winning sometimes. But the moment in which you let people affect your writing is the moment you lose.
They’re not affecting our writing.  You’re assuming – with some validity, I grant you – that my “parallel world” hypothetical was considered BEFORE I wrote 513.  It wasn’t.
It’s hard for me to articulate – sorry – but I think it would’ve been strange for Felicity to characterize herself as a victim of gun violence.  Yes, guns were the instrument of the attack by Darhk’s men in 409, but that misses the point.  The point is that it was an attack by DARHK.  And to revisit those events over a year later felt to me like a digression rather than  an evolution of the present topic of 513.
Now, if you love Felicity and craved getting her point of view on the issue of gun violence and didn’t get it, I respect that.  I gave her a different point of view, but a common one, which is “let’s just not talk about it.”  I didn’t do that because I don’t like Felicity and I didn’t do that because she’s a woman.  And I certainly didn’t do that because I worried about what the internet would think.  I just invited y’all to imagine a world where Felicity referenced 409 in the body of 513.  That doesn’t mean I imagined it before or while I was writing 513.
Cool?

destinationolicity asked:
I appreciate you taking the time to answer questions. But i think maybe the whole not seeing 409 as gun violence is the difference btw script and screen. Maybe u we're writing darhk attacks but what we saw was a bunch of assault weapons (same used in way too many horrific tragedies) shoot up a limo. I def saw it as gun violence and did think it was jarring that felicity and Oliver both didn't mention the experience. That's my pov at least but I do appreciate the intention of the episode!
And I appreciate your pov!

greatest-fanofyourlife asked:
u literally said the pov wasn't included bc people would cry that felicity was making it about herself but now ur saying there was no influence from the internet???????????
No, I didn’t say that.  Please go back and re-read my post.

marytagus asked:
Glad you are back to answering question on Tumblr. I've miss that. I'm loving Arrow this Season. This is before 5.19 and I do not want to ask for spoilers but then again maybe I am and you are free not to answer. Will Felicity Smoak have a life outside the Team, outside Olicity and Oliver? As a women I would like for her to be more than just "Oliver's girl". Will we get that? Thank you.
I consider her involvement with Helix to be something in her life outside of the team.  :)

justinebenard asked:
What if we raise some money for charity and you do a comic book page of Olicity shopping at Bed and Beyond in exchange????
That sounds fun.  I’d be open to that.

ota-olicity asked:
You said you didn't expect people to dislike the reporter so much? Let me clear that up. She used Oliver, someone she was writing a story on. She slept with him for research. She endangered the entire team. Then you made Oliver decide to choose her and defend her over Thea and Felicity? That was so out of character and bad, it was just wrong. You made Oliver unlikable. You made season five unlikable. You kept OTA and Olicity apart for no reason except to focus on new characters no one cares for!
I don’t agree with the premises of your argument.  I think Susan started dating Oliver because she liked him, not because she was writing a story on him.  And she certainly didn’t sleep with him for research – how could she know he had a Bratva captain tattoo under his shirt?

leasmoakingqueen asked:
Marc I've really really enjoyed this season other than the gun control ep & ep15, but a big concern of mine is how y'all don't get why we don't like Susan. You introduce her has a conniving and manipulating women, you have here trying to get the scoop on Oliver, you have her date the subject of her research which is completely unethical, and she sleeps with him to see his tattoo. Then she threatens to expose his secret that could not only harm him but everyone else, and she's the victim? ?
I see Susan differently – which much different motives – than you do.  :)

sharkattack829 asked:
As a long time shipper, I get that couples make and break up all the time. So I understood the Olicity break up (here's hoping for a makeup soon!). And kept an open mind about new love interests. Didn't mind Billy. But my man. Susan. UGH. I think she was the one thing that this entire, crazy divisive fandom agreed that we all hated. I get the storyline you all were trying to tell but why do you think it didn't come across well for fans? And my man, it really DIDNT come across well.
So you’re saying Susan brought people together?  Win!  :)

kiaxet asked:
For what it's worth, I'm enjoying the hell out of Arrow this season. The flashbacks are fun to watch and extremely well integrated; you're making fantastic use of five seasons' worth of history in the show to shape the characters we have currently; I *adore* the new members of the Arrow team; the fight choreography and cinematography are breathtaking; and the writing and acting are absolutely on point. Thank you for a superb season of a great show!
Thank you so much!

eunaosoumodelo asked:
Hi, Marc. Where is Raisa? Is there a chance to see her again? I really like S5, btw.
Raisa is doing time for kleptomania.
And thanks!

eilowyn1 asked:
What's the ratio of reasonable-to-crazy/incomprehensible questions you get on this Tumblr?
I’d say 1 to 34.

irishfirechick asked:
What has been the most difficult to get through S&P this season? Were you concerned about Oliver's torture scene in that context? Thanks!
There was a lot of material in 517 that was difficult from a BS&P perspective…

fight--for--now asked:
I'm over here being logical and respectful and it's getting me nothing. You're a poo poo head! There! Now, we aren't childish and want the show to be all about this one relationship, we just want to see two characters and a relationship that's been build up for 5 seasons finally be stable and happy in the midst of all other kinds of drama and storylines. Cool?
Cool.

splitsunshine asked:
Have you ever considered using a Billy Joel song in the show?
All the time.  Most recently, I considered having “Easy Money” playing over Chase’s escape at the end of 518.

beemichelle7 asked:
Will we ever find out what Oliver writes in his journal? Besides Olicity fanfiction about stockings & cats?
Who says he’s writing about something other than Olicity fanfiction?

felicityschattycathy asked:
Can you please tell your people to start working on making trademarked Felicity Smoak lipsticks please her shades are ICONIC and will make a lot of money i promise!!!!!!!!!!
That’s genius.

thebeautifulli-e asked:
Hi Marc! I've been wondering about this recently and thought there's no harm in asking you for marketing research. Has a hashtag "campaign"* ever brought a character back from the dead on your shows? *I will clarify that I'm using the word campaign very loosely here. The one I have in mind is just a hashtag that wasn't very nice but that's not what this is about.
It’s never happened on any of the Arrowverse shows.  Truth to tell, I can’t think of any show where it has.

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, Trisha said:

Again though, I've followed all three of those guys for years and they were all pro-Felicity/Olicity until the fandom wore them down. CH gifted us with some of the best Olicity interviews ever (yes, he was an early supporter of Susan but that's what the show was selling at the time), MM has traditionally been pretty balanced (and again, I might have hated his poll but the show was clearly selling that Thea & Felicity were in the wrong), and DH used to love Felicity. I remember him saying the "fight to live" speech was the best part of the S4 finale. He didn't really seem exasperated by it until he announced an Arrow cover on TVG and fans got all up in his mentions complaining that there was no Olicity photo shoot. 

Sometimes writers tweet or publish stuff I don't agree with, but the way some people respond to them on twitter (or put them on hater lists) is not going to make them more likely to want to write more about Olicity. Arrow may be waning in the ratings but it's clearly still a big click driver so they're going to write about what's currently happening on the show, and for most of this season that meant writing about Susan, not Felicity. There was a lot of "male critics hate Felicity" talk thrown around this year that I just didn't get. They're writing about the show, so they're following the show's lead. 

I do think fandom goes OTT a lot of the time and I cringe almost daily at some of the stuff I read on twitter. But those male journalists mentioned above have been complete a-holes many times and have incited drama for no reason. Most of the time they want a response. If they were professional they would just get on with their jobs rather than engage and be rude. Just IMO.

And I actually think the support of Susan was more about her being a "fellow journalist" than it was ever about liking or supporting her character. I mean, let's be honest. There's not much character to support really. She's a plot point.

[Trisha]

3 minutes ago, Angel12d said:

And I actually think the support of Susan was more about her being a "fellow journalist" than it was ever about liking or supporting her character. I mean, let's be honest. There's not much character to support really. She's a plot point.

Yeah, this part I totally agree with. For journalists, falsely accusing someone of plagiarism is one of the worst life-ruining, terrible things you can do so it makes sense that writers saw that as a bridge too far. But again, according to the show we were supposed to think that too. I don't think Susan came across to the general audience half as positively as MG indended (judging by his Tumblr remarks), or half as negatively as Olicity fans reacted. I think for most people, she was just there. A confusing, waste of space character. 

DH gets up in his feelings a lot but up until this season CH had been pretty great to this fandom, and we crucified him for one dumb article (he's since written about what a waste Susan turned out to be). Overall I usually find MM to be pretty fair and still one of the best sources for Olicity scoops. He almost always mentions them during TVL's Facebook lives. I just wish when someone tweets/writes something we don't like, we'd either just avoid giving it clicks or state a differing opinion respectfully.  But man, it's gotten nasty. Why would they go out of their way to appease salty Olicity fans at this point? 

[bijoux]

16 minutes ago, tv echo said:

ota-olicity asked:
You said you didn't expect people to dislike the reporter so much? Let me clear that up. She used Oliver, someone she was writing a story on. She slept with him for research. She endangered the entire team. Then you made Oliver decide to choose her and defend her over Thea and Felicity? That was so out of character and bad, it was just wrong. You made Oliver unlikable. You made season five unlikable. You kept OTA and Olicity apart for no reason except to focus on new characters no one cares for!
I don’t agree with the premises of your argument.  I think Susan started dating Oliver because she liked him, not because she was writing a story on him.  And she certainly didn’t sleep with him for research – how could she know he had a Bratva captain tattoo under his shirt?

leasmoakingqueen asked:
Marc I've really really enjoyed this season other than the gun control ep & ep15, but a big concern of mine is how y'all don't get why we don't like Susan. You introduce her has a conniving and manipulating women, you have here trying to get the scoop on Oliver, you have her date the subject of her research which is completely unethical, and she sleeps with him to see his tattoo. Then she threatens to expose his secret that could not only harm him but everyone else, and she's the victim? ?
I see Susan differently – which much different motives – than you do.  :)

I honestly enjoy it when he's playing dumb sometimes. However would she have suspected his Bratva involvement what with her tet-a-tets with a PI before and after having sex with the dude discussing his Bratva ties? And how could her interrogating him post-coitus actually be read as her interrogating him? Keep being yourself, dude. It was a welcome breather from work which is kicking my ass.

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, Trisha said:

DH gets up in his feelings a lot but up until this season CH had been pretty great to this fandom, and we crucified him for one dumb article (he's since written about what a waste Susan turned out to be). Overall I usually find MM to be pretty fair and still one of the best sources for Olicity scoops. He almost always mentions them during TVL's Facebook lives. I just wish when someone tweets/writes something we don't like, we'd either just avoid giving it clicks or state a differing opinion respectfully.  But man, it's gotten nasty. Why would they go out of their way to appease salty Olicity fans at this point? 

IDK, I remember a few articles CH has written that weren't great. There was even one when he blamed Felicity for not telling Diggle that baby John used to be baby Sara. I mean...WTF. It's just bizarre. Why would you even say something so pointless if not to start drama? And if memory serves correctly, he also jumped on the "Felicity is a murderer because of Havenrock" train, although don't quote me on that. It was definitely something along those lines.

But I do agree that fans should just ignore rather than acknowledge the hate or different opinions. Apathy works.

[Midnight Lullaby]

18 minutes ago, Trisha said:

Yeah, this part I totally agree with. For journalists, falsely accusing someone of plagiarism is one of the worst life-ruining, terrible things you can do so it makes sense that writers saw that as a bridge too far. But again, according to the show we were supposed to think that too. I don't think Susan came across to the general audience half as positively as MG indended (judging by his Tumblr remarks), or half as negatively as Olicity fans reacted. I think for most people, she was just there. A confusing, waste of space character. 

DH gets up in his feelings a lot but up until this season CH had been pretty great to this fandom, and we crucified him for one dumb article (he's since written about what a waste Susan turned out to be). Overall I usually find MM to be pretty fair and still one of the best sources for Olicity scoops. He almost always mentions them during TVL's Facebook lives. I just wish when someone tweets/writes something we don't like, we'd either just avoid giving it clicks or state a differing opinion respectfully.  But man, it's gotten nasty. Why would they go out of their way to appease salty Olicity fans at this point? 

I think the greatest risk is the fandom appearing silly, which is what happened already imo. They write/tweet to get buzz, not to appease fans. Their opinion on the characters or on the fans is irrelevant..if they think something is going to get attention they'll write about it, it's their job..like Craig from GATV that would love nothing more than GA/BC on the show still writes about Olicity and asks questions about them.

What irks me about those three is the way they treat fans so I avoid to look at what they tweet..if there's something interesting people repost it anyway. I used to follow both MM and DH but I can live happily without reading the first one making snide remarks and the second losing it over nothing. I don't know if you read DH's tweets that time but they were really gross.

[Belinea]

Well, sometimes I don't know if you should feel more second-hand embarrassment for the people asking the question or for the answer. Because, while he writes stuff I don't get often enough, I don't know how I'd respond to someone calling me 'piece of shit'. I probably wouldn't answer at all.

That being said, I do hope that they realise that nobody liked Susan. 

50 minutes ago, tv echo said:

eilowyn1 asked:
What's the ratio of reasonable-to-crazy/incomprehensible questions you get on this Tumblr?
I’d say 1 to 34.

Also, he probably does assume most people are crazy and he gets some kind of pleasure out of annoying them. 

[Guest]

The whole Susan thing is the same as what happened with Ray. They thought they were writing this charming guy but didn't realize he came across like a stalker. (Though I really don't know how they didn't realize Susan came across like a complete snake when they introduced her the way they did but okay!) It happens with the main characters too. There's such a disconnect. I really should stop being surprised by it tbh. Haha.

[Midnight Lullaby]

Maybe they thought it would be cool to make the audience think she might be up to something only to reveal she was good all along..too bad people have to empathize with that character to care and the most interest I saw was people wondering where her story was going, not about her as a person. And her story went nowhere.

[tv echo]

 

Edited April 6, 2017 by tv echo

[tv echo]

Apparently Tyler Ritter played a bad guy in a recent episode of Chicago PD, promoting Madison to post this Arrow b-t-s pic...

[tangerine95]

I don't get MG being suprised people think Susan slept with Oliver and dated him to get a story because thats what they wrote. Every single interaction they had included Susan trying to get info in some way plus some reminder to the audience that she's investigating him. So idk when we were supposed to see genuine feelings at all other than if you read interviews because it wasn't in the show. 

Edited April 6, 2017 by tangerine95

[leopardprint]

She only met him BECAUSE she was investigating him, then she continued to investigate him! Oliver didn't care so I guess we're not supposed to care but that just made Oliver look unforgivably stupid not deeply caring. 

MG also is the only one who knows her motivations because they never bothered to show them on screen. He should post about that. All they needed to show was a scene of her asking the PI to stop because she believed in him/his mission. 

Edited April 6, 2017 by leopardprint

[tangerine95]

8 minutes ago, leopardprint said:

She only met him BECAUSE she was investigating him, then she continued to investigate him! Oliver didn't care so I guess we're not supposed to care but that just made Oliver look unforgivably stupid not deeply caring. 

MG also is the only one who knows her motivations because they never bothered to show them on screen. He should post about that. All they needed to show was a scene of her asking the PI to stop because she believed in him/his mission. 

Exactly, I was expecting at some point to get a scene where she hesitates or decides she can't do it. I guess for them that was the end of 5. 15 but that was so nonsensical too and made her look like she only cares if she gets exactly what she wants. Like she loses her job and gives her lack of credibility as the only reason why she can't publish the story. Then she acts like an asshole to Oliver all next episode even tho he's stupidly trying to help her, tells him he deserves to get impeached, doesn't care about him getting in an accident. And then once she gets her job back she changes her mind about him suddenly. 

[LeighAn]

3 hours ago, Midnight Lullaby said:

I don't know if you read DH's tweets that time but they were really gross.

Yep he went total balls up Mean Girls Burn Book with his replies to people who responded to his Felicity and Thea are dicks tweets and it was supremely petty and catty and just completely immature and unprofessional for a grown man to behave and was so disproportional to what was being tweeted to him. 

And he's still carrying a grudge now. The only thing he tweeted from Marcs panel the other day was the "Olicity going to bed bath and beyond kills drama" and then he sent out a follow up tweet about how Oliver would be too busy NOT buying Felicity an engagement ring to go shopping at BB&B.

It's like ooooh burn! I'm so hurt :'( nice one Holbrook ! *sarcasm*

[calliope1975]

11 hours ago, LeighAn said:

I can't claim to speak for Marc but I'm curious whether the soda being sent to set and the reaction to the bed bath and beyond joke got under his skin a little bit.

I think most criticism gets under MG's skin. He's a troll and an asshole, but thinks his sarcasm makes him witty. I've written fic before where what I was imagining in my head didn't translate to the readers. I didn't blame the readers for pointing it out. I rewrote my fic to make it clearer. I would appreciate genuine BTS rationale on how TV writing works. I'm not interested in passive, mostly aggressive condescension. 

[Midnight Lullaby]

23 minutes ago, LeighAn said:

Yep he went total balls up Mean Girls Burn Book with his replies to people who responded to his Felicity and Thea are dicks tweets and it was supremely petty and catty and just completely immature and unprofessional for a grown man to behave and was so disproportional to what was being tweeted to him. 

And he's still carrying a grudge now. The only thing he tweeted from Marcs panel the other day was the "Olicity going to bed bath and beyond kills drama" and then he sent out a follow up tweet about how Oliver would be too busy NOT buying Felicity an engagement ring to go shopping at BB&B.

It's like ooooh burn! I'm so hurt :'( nice one Holbrook ! *sarcasm*

I don't know if we have the same incident in mind..I was thinking about that time he was mad about shippers, called people "f***tards", "unf***able" and stuff like that and it all started because one girl quoted him questioning something and she wasn't even being rude. Later he defended himself saying that he was called racist by W/A shippers in the past..and I don't question that because I saw things like that from some of them but that's not a reason to lose it and call strangers that have never said anything to him names because they happen to enjoy a fictional couple on tv. 

Edited April 6, 2017 by Midnight Lullaby

[Cleanqueen]

5 minutes ago, Midnight Lullaby said:

I don't know if we have the same incident in mind..I was thinking about that time he was mad about shippers, called people "f***tards", "unf***able" and stuff like that and it all started because one girl quoted him questioning something and she wasn't even being rude. Later he defended himself saying that he was called racist by W/A shippers in the past..and I don't question that because I saw things like that from some of them but that's not a reason to lose it and call strangers that have never said anything to him names because they happen to enjoy fictional couples on tv. 

Yeah I remember that one, it was because of a question he asked Grant about what it felt like Kissing Candice and Grant replied something along the lines of its like kissing your sister and that they're so close and blah blah..and people attacked him regarding the need to even ask the question.

[LeighAn]

@Midnight Lullaby I went back to try and find the tweets I'm talking about but the chicken deleted them. But it was after the Susan gets fired episode and he kept coming back with stuff like "I'm the original bitch don't try and come at me I know how to cut people down so it hurts" and all this totally petty like "come on dude" tweets. There was name calling and cattiness galore.

So I'm not surprised by the incident you're talking about either haha.

[lemotomato]

5 hours ago, Trisha said:

DH gets up in his feelings a lot but up until this season CH had been pretty great to this fandom, and we crucified him for one dumb article (he's since written about what a waste Susan turned out to be).

DH is just plain unstable on twitter, not just to shippers. I've seen other occasions where he flew into expletive filled rages over people asking mild questions about something he tweeted. What's unforgivable to me about CH was the incident when he published the Tyler Ritter "death threat from Olicity fans" quote without context, even though in the video his tone was clearly joking. Ritter tweeted that he meant his character, not him personally, but CH never RTed it or published the clarification, even though he basically smeared a whole group of fans.

[theOAfc]

19 minutes ago, lemotomato said:

What's unforgivable to me about CH was the incident when he published the Tyler Ritter "death threat from Olicity fans" quote without context, even though in the video his tone was clearly joking. Ritter tweeted that he meant his character, not him personally, but CH never RTed it or published the clarification, even though he basically smeared a whole group of fans.

Chirs also made a whole article calling Felicity hypocritical for not telling Dig about Barry erasing Sara. Of course he didnt say anything about Barry himself needing to say that.

[lemotomato]

12 minutes ago, theOAfc said:

Chirs also made a whole article calling Felicity hypocritical for not telling Dig about Barry erasing Sara. Of course he didnt say anything about Barry himself needing to say that.

I'm OK with a difference of opinion. I'm not OK with unprofessional/irresponsible reporting, like Carissa Pavlica being rude to EBR and how Chris wrote up the Ritter interview.

[statsgirl]

What I can't stand about Carissa Pavlica is that she is still insisting at TV Fanatic that she's not anti-Felicity.  Pure hypocrisy.

11 hours ago, Midnight Lullaby said:

Maybe they thought it would be cool to make the audience think she might be up to something only to reveal she was good all along..too bad people have to empathize with that character to care and the most interest I saw was people wondering where her story was going, not about her as a person. And her story went nowhere.

Yeah, I bet that's what happened. They were so busy patting themselves on the back for introducing a shady character but trikcing the audience by having her turn out to be good after all, they forgot we know about Chehov's gun. The Chase reveal was great because they set him up as a good guy but the set-up for Susan was too strong and they never showed her being a good person or having any doubts about investigating Oliver.

[thegirlsleuth]

If they had shown Susan crusading to make the city better in a way that accidentally brought her into conflict with Oliver and Thea, that would have worked.  Later she and Oliver could have struggled with the ethics of dating each other when they both were trying to make the city better.  Instead they chose to make her personally antagonistic to Thea and unethical in her journalism practices.

The best villains and anti-heroes are characters where they want the same thing as the hero, but go about it in a different/warped way.  They are doing it with Chase and if they had done it with Susan, it would have worked.  Sadly, they are bad writers.

[statsgirl]

@thegirlsleuth, What are you talking about?  Susan crusading to make the city better?  Trying to work out the ethics of dating the mayor? What is this show you speak of?  Friday Night Lights?

[bijoux]

[BkWurm1]

Looking at that picture with "Cisco" in his sneakers and "Nate" in sturdy boots and "Felicity" in strappy heels in an episode where they are running around fighting aliens, I suddenly fantasized about all the men in the show having to wear heels while trying to save the day.  They'd probably need to hire stunt feet to do the filming. 

[GHScorpiosRule]

5 minutes ago, BkWurm1 said:

Looking at that picture with "Cisco" in his sneakers and "Nate" in sturdy boots and "Felicity" in strappy heels in an episode where they are running around fighting aliens, I suddenly fantasized about all the men in the show having to wear heels while trying to save the day.  They'd probably need to hire stunt feet to do the filming. 

HAH! Laura Holt could do it with her eyes closed! No Stunt Feet Required!???

[Delphi]

Well this is a fun hiatus decision. 

 

[Midnight Lullaby]

I don't find that look all that flattering but I can understand the need to do something fun and different after months of having to keep the same look..it would probably drive me crazy after a while..

[tv echo]

MG must have extra time on his hands this week - from https://marcguggenheim.tumblr.com/ ...

sleeplessnightsofthinking asked:
On behalf of (most of) the Arrow subreddit, I'd like to say thanks for such a stellar 5th season so far. 517 may have been one of the best eps ever. Fingers crossed it continues into season 6. PS: Black Siren redemption arc please and thanks.
Thank you so much!

verdantqueen52 asked:
Hi Marc! I really enjoyed the crossover episodes this year, especially the Oliver and Thea scenes on Arrow. A few months ago, a special signed crossover scriptbook was auctioned for a worthy cause and the article mentioned there was a very small print run of the books. Any plans to sell or auction these scriptbooks, either signed or unsigned? I'd love to get one.
Those were something I made for the various writers who wrote on the crossover.  Russ asked for a poster to auction off, but we didn’t really have one, so I gave him an extra copy.

she-ran-away-in-her-sleep asked:
Hi Marc! I have a career question for you. I'm currently an editor/writer for a magazine but I've always been interested in screen writing/ working in the television industry -- do you have any pointers? Do I need to move to NY or Cali asap? Do I need to pay my dues and get coffee for producers first (do you need someone to get your coffee for you!?)? Any advice is much appreciated and thank you for bringing my favorite show to life every week :)
It absolutely helps to be in Los Angeles, I’m not gonna lie to you.  (I’m less sure about the benefit of living in New York.)  That said, I wouldn’t make the move until you feel you’re ready.  I spent five years in Boston honing my craft before making the move out west.
As far as advice, I typically say that there’s no substitute for reading a lot – even bad scripts are educational – and writing a lot.
Good luck!

christinastahl asked:
Thanks for all the hard work your doing and why did kill felicity in legends of tommarrow
The scene was originally conceived without Felicity.  We wanted to see the Darhk-controlled Sara and Amaya kill A HERO.  We talked about a variety of people – e.g. Diggle – but it occurred to me that we might never get another chance to put Felicity in a mask.

meandmynerd asked:
Hi Marc, so no know if this has been asked before.....Will get to know Felicity ended up staying in the loft when it looked like she was moving out? Thanks.
Are you talking about 416?  Those boxes were filled with Oliver’s stuff.

olicitywillriseee asked:
even comic book fans think they are being catered to this season. they are saying they have you by your balls...
Impossible.  My wife doesn’t really read comics.

blackcanarydinah asked:
First, I just want to say Dinah (Juliana) is amazing and she's an amazing Black Canary and I hope we get to see more of her. Second, does Sara (Lance) have a middle name and do you know what it is? Season 5 is amazing!
So glad you like Dinah/Juliana.  We love her, too.
Sara DOES have a middle name.  In my perfect world, it’s my daughter Sara’s middle name.
And thanks for the kind words!

disneyfreaklove asked:
Since your view of Susan is completely different from how everyone else perceived her, how did you mean for her to come across?
As a woman who liked Oliver and started a relationship with him.

mrsoliverjonasqueen-love asked:
Marc, my good man! Congrats on Trollhunters and the new X-Men comic book. You're so busy, is it possible for you to hand off your Arrow responsibilities to a show runner who knows how to write for a 23-episode season, prioritizes characters over plot and doesn't relish making his lead character into a crayon-eating idiot, who doesn't take away the relevant POV of the lead female character just to appease haters and doesn't hate and mock female fans? #AskingForAFriend
I love this post so much.

splitsunshine asked:
Have you watched Big Little Lies? Exceptional show that really understands how to write female characters. I recommend it.
I haven’t watched it yet.  But I’m a huge David E. Kelley fan.
That said, I’m gonna watch for fun.  I already know how to write female characters.  :)

thebeautifulli-e asked:
I have one more question because Tumblr Marc is a lot more fun to talk to. When are we getting that sizzle reel?
My wife says the same thing.
We’re working on the sizzle reel, but there’s a scene that doesn’t film until next week that I want to put in it. :)

girlmeetsolicity asked:
You realize your "jokes" aren't funny right? You just end up offending everyone and looking like an asshole. At some point you would think you would stop.
I don’t think you speak for everyone.

splitsunshine asked:
Songs can have different meanings and I actually did know it's about the divorce. He sang it to Alexa trying to get her to sleep after a bad fight between him and his wife ;). For me, I imagine Lullabye playing in the background as he puts his daughter to sleep, then leaves to risk his life to protect the city. I see it more as Oliver knowing he could die and leave her behind, but still going out to save the city nevertheless.
Okay, your Billy Joel knowledge has me liking you a lot more.  :)

Edited April 7, 2017 by tv echo

[bijoux]

8 minutes ago, tv echo said:

she-ran-away-in-her-sleep asked:
Hi Marc! I have a career question for you. I'm currently an editor/writer for a magazine but I've always been interested in screen writing/ working in the television industry -- do you have any pointers? Do I need to move to NY or Cali asap? Do I need to pay my dues and get coffee for producers first (do you need someone to get your coffee for you!?)? Any advice is much appreciated and thank you for bringing my favorite show to life every week :)
It absolutely helps to be in Los Angeles, I’m not gonna lie to you.  (I’m less sure about the benefit of living in New York.)  That said, I wouldn’t make the move until you feel you’re ready.  I spent five years in Boston honing my craft before making the move out west.
As far as advice, I typically say that there’s no substitute for reading a lot – even bad scripts are educational – and writing a lot.
Good luck!

 

*bites tongue*

[lemotomato]

6 minutes ago, tv echo said:

thebeautifulli-e asked:
I have one more question because Tumblr Marc is a lot more fun to talk to. When are we getting that sizzle reel?
My wife says the same thing.
We’re working on the sizzle reel, but there’s a scene that doesn’t film until next week that I want to put in it. :)

That's going to be a packed sizzle reel, if it's going to cover episodes 19-23. 

[Cleanqueen]

reading some of these questions is making me cringe, I really don't understand the need to be rude. It's not hard to be critical without sounding like a first grade douche. 

17 minutes ago, lemotomato said:

That's going to be a packed sizzle reel, if it's going to cover episodes 19-23. 

Yeah I am shocked the one in season 3 was just episode 19 and 20. 

[lemotomato]

25 minutes ago, Cleanqueen said:

reading some of these questions is making me cringe, I really don't understand the need to be rude. It's not hard to be critical without sounding like a first grade douche. 

Yeah I am shocked the one in season 3 was just episode 19 and 20. 

If they're going to include so many episodes, I hope it's an actual sizzle reel (~2 minutes) rather than an extended promo, which was what the season 3 319-320 one was (1 minute). The season 4 sizzle reel from NYCC covered 6 episodes in 2 minutes.

[Cleanqueen]

3 minutes ago, lemotomato said:

If they're going to include so many episodes, I hope it's an actual sizzle reel (~2 minutes) rather than an extended promo, which was what the season 3 319-320 one was (1 minute). The season 4 sizzle reel from NYCC covered 6 episodes in 2 minutes.

Yeah I expect to be long as well. I think even more recent season 5 one was 2-3 mins long and covered up to episode 6

[thegirlsleuth]

1 hour ago, tv echo said:

mrsoliverjonasqueen-love asked:
Marc, my good man! Congrats on Trollhunters and the new X-Men comic book. You're so busy, is it possible for you to hand off your Arrow responsibilities to a show runner who knows how to write for a 23-episode season, prioritizes characters over plot and doesn't relish making his lead character into a crayon-eating idiot, who doesn't take away the relevant POV of the lead female character just to appease haters and doesn't hate and mock female fans? #AskingForAFriend
I love this post so much.

Ok, which one of you is this?  The "crayon eating" comment makes me think it is one of you.

[tv echo]

[BkWurm1]

5 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

HAH! Laura Holt could do it with her eyes closed! No Stunt Feet Required!???

Yes but actress Stephanie Zimbalist has commented about the life long foot problems she's had because of running around in her heels in Remington Steele. 

Edited to add:  I tried finding the actual quote she gave but when I googled her name and feet and hurt, all I got were links to foot fetish sites, lol.  

Edited April 7, 2017 by BkWurm1