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5 minutes ago, paulvdb said:

It appears that that press release was wrong. Apparently Amazon dropped the whole season at once yesterday so all episodes are available.

Ha, well that uncomplicated things a bit!

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The writing is still uneven and contrived in places. Yet, the overall story is solid. So I'm in for the long haul now.

Always love me some gay shit. Never love all the mentions of the god damn Loch Ness Monster, but it's the early 80s, no way around it.

Alex does still act like a teenager, but that probably is in character when growwing up with such an overbearing father, who you can't even escape when you go to work.

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God damn Loch Ness monster!

Wondering why the guy in the HVA is supressing part of the dossier and so doing tries to provoke a nuclear war. He better have damn good reasons that include a death wish.

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Seeing the historical footage on TV spliced in just highlights how very few people on this show have time period apropriate hair styles. "The americans" did a lot better with this, if you exclude Kerri Russel.

On 30.7.2015 at 10:39 AM, albaniantv said:

Another odd or out of character behavior was how hostile Martin's mother seemed to be to having the Stasi administrator (her former prof) to lunch--was that supposed to signal us that he is Martin's father? 

I don't think he's Stasi. The Stasi was the internal covert agency of the DDR. He should be HVA. And yes, I think he's Martins father.

 

On 30.7.2015 at 11:12 PM, Ruby25 said:

It's kind of hard to see what the possible set-up would be for a second season at this point, if everyone knows Martin is the mole now. Unless he somehow becomes a double agent or something.

I mean they were stretching it anyway. That nobody missed the real Moritz for this long seems a bit far fetched.

 

On 30.7.2015 at 9:26 AM, gpgurl50 said:

Things are getting tense!  I love it.  I don't know what outcome Martin was realistically expecting.  I guess he wasn't really thinking.

If our home country is about to be wiped out by a nuclear attack, wouldn't you try anything to prevent that, even if the odds are increadibly bad?

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This really lacked explaination as to why Martin's father wanted to turn the whole of germany into glass. Or are we to believe that he really was that dumb?

I hope Alex isn't dead. Guess I'm not going to bed anytime soon. Will have to watch the next episode first.

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On ‎20‎/‎10‎/‎2018 at 3:29 AM, Miles said:

I think that is a big misread of the situation. He isn't a villian, he's just somebody trying to keep his country save and make a better life for his family. He isn't like Philip and Elisabeth killing people left and right.

He is deceiving everyone around him with the ultimate aim of bringing down the West German State. I'm not denying he's doing it for the right reasons, but that sounds pretty villainous to me (and yes, I would say the same about the Jenningses, or James Bond when he acts against foreign governments).

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I’m so happy we’re finally getting season 2 this week, but I wish the listings weren’t still calling the show “Deutschland 83.”  

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So Martin's father had no other motivation than being a complete dumbass for almost turning europe into glass. The writing on this show sometimes... Also he just got demoted for omitting crucial details from reports and thus almost causing WW3? Wow, the soviets are really forgiving these days.

I'm afraid that we might never find out what happened to Alex and his family. The story might just not go there this season, or ever again. I hope it does. Last seasons vliffhanger would be a horrible thing to end on.

It will take a while for me to get used to Anke Engelke as a hard hitting numbers-woman who wants to recapitalize the DDR, seeing that she is usually in comedic roles, being one of the best comedians out there.

The capetown escapades weren't that great. Still love the characters. but the story is a bit lackluster.

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Why can't any TV writers give the poor gays a break? First they all get the god damn loch ness monster and then they get blown up by terrorists.

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I adore Alex, and his portrayer, Ludwig Trepte. He looks great this season!

Martin is always getting himself into quasi-romantic scrapes. Like my sister says Martin IS the honey trap.

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One thing I have NOT missed about this show is their tendency to use white subtitles over white or light colored backgrounds.

Part of me was thinking Martin, you dumbass, don't believe anything that your aunt promises you! But the other part of me knew he couldn't resist the temptation of being able to see Max.

So that book is the 80s German version of 50 Shades of Grey?

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I really like how they mapped out the ideological dissonance, and moral ambiguities all the players are engaging in.  

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I really liked having Alex back and am curious where they go with the character/story..

 

  I am not sure about the rest of what I have seen so far.  I like that they are in Southern Africa as in 1986 it was a source of so much conflict in the West/world and one I like to learn about.  I think they are trying to make Aunt Lenore out to be the "sexy ingénue" which, while the actress is  good, it doesn't fully fit her character -- she should be more of the plotter/planner she was  in the first season - its more fitting.   I like the Berlin scenes a little better right now, and wish I could get more into the African conflict/storyline, but I can't.

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Damn, Lenora is COLD! She just left Martin bleeding on the side of the road in Angola. That's your FAMILY! *smh*

Great episode! All the action in the refiinery in Angola was great. And that tableau of the soldiers and Gary grabbing for the money, then shooting each other over it - don't know if I have ever seen anything like that on TV before. 

Also loved learning that Alex is in med school. But wow - finding out his father was shot when Alex tried to shoot himself...just did not see that coming.

I'm loving this season so far!

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I love how much this show continues to surprise me. I didn't think we'd see Roberto again, but kudos to his resourcefulness in following Lenora all the way to that hotel.

Martin's storyline was a bit confusing in this ep, but Jonas Nay has really nailed how much Martin has changed over the previous three years. 

This Gary Banks character is going to be like Rasputin, isn't he?

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Loving the action but I’m also confused. Why is Martin so valuable? And why does the dentist want Martin and Leonora? 

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8 hours ago, Maire said:

Loving the action but I’m also confused. Why is Martin so valuable? And why does the dentist want Martin and Leonora? 

Martin is valuable because several major intelligence agencies (CIA, MI-6) wanted him captured after he revealed the Able Archer exercise at the end of season 1. That's why his father had him hidden away in Angola.

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Martin is valuable because several major intelligence agencies (CIA, MI-6) wanted him captured after he revealed the Able Archer exercise at the end of season 1. That's why his father had him hidden away in Angola.

Thank you Gillian. I thought I was missing something beyond that.

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On 10/28/2018 at 4:53 AM, ElectricBoogaloo said:

One thing I have NOT missed about this show is their tendency to use white subtitles over white or light colored backgrounds.

OMG this is so annoying. I also don't really like the rollout of this season. Fridays and Saturdays at midnight? And I watch using the SundanceTV app which only keeps each ep up for a couple of weeks so I can't binge it. If they were going to make this difficult, why bother paying for the rights anyway?

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I realize Walter's actions in S1 were incredibly stupid but I think the actor who plays him is great. I'm also enjoying Walter's Operation Love Boat scheme. So Germany had its own version of the Love Boat series? Was it a fantasy type drama series like the one on ABC here or a docu soap type of show? They haven't made that clear.

Anett climbing up the East German bureaucratic hierarchy seems to me to be patently ridiculous but maybe that's just me. The show does seem to have fun with the concept, though, by having her sometimes sport a Gidget-y pony tail sharply aided by the characterization of the highly capable actress who plays her.

Was it thrown out in S1 that Max might have actually been fathered by Thomas and not Martin? Or was Thomas just an amour of Anett's in S1? Damn, there was too much time between seasons.

Love seeing the terrific actress who played the landlady in Babylon Berlin pop up in this as the uncorruptible doctor. At first I wondered how the hell she'd be able to get out of East Germany but then remembered her brother is Thomas so she'll find a way to do it for her and her family, after all.

The little boy who plays Roberto is wonderful. I was highly suspect of this aspect of the storyline but he has brung it and then some.

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27 minutes ago, TimWil said:

So Germany had its own version of the Love Boat series? Was it a fantasy type drama series like the one on ABC here or a docu soap type of show? They haven't made that clear.

Das Traumschiff is a drama series like Love Boat. According to the German Wikipedia page for the series Love Boat was one of the inspirations for the series. It seems to still be airing two or three new episodes per year.

32 minutes ago, TimWil said:

Was it thrown out in S1 that Max might have actually been fathered by Thomas and not Martin? Or was Thomas just an amour of Anett's in S1? Damn, there was too much time between seasons.

Martin's mother asked Annett about it in an episode in the first season. Annett answered that Martin was the father.

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7 hours ago, Yeah No said:

Best episode so far this season.  What didn't it have?

It didn’t have Lenora, dammit!

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Question:

Why would a person from the DDR be referring to their hometown as “Chemnitz,” when it was called “Karl Marx Stadt” at the time?

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I've never seen a toilet used as a phone before.  That was a new one on me.  With all these episodes being shown so close together I'm having a hard time keeping up.  Thank goodness for Comcast's "On Demand" because I can see them in HD even though the Sundance Channel isn't broadcast in HD on Comcast. 

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I really love how this season ended.  With the DDR so mired in shady dealings that compromised their lofty ideals, Martin making the tough choice to stay and be a father (as opposed to absconding to the West with Max) was an amazing act of defiance.  He stuck it to his dad, to Lenora, the Stasi, his baby-mama, and is still standing.  No small feat for anyone living in his country.

I do feel bad for Brigitte Winkelmann, though.  She got everything she wanted BUT Martin.  Their reunion in ‘89 should be interesting.

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16 hours ago, revbfc said:

I do feel bad for Brigitte Winkelmann, though.  She got everything she wanted BUT Martin.  Their reunion in ‘89 should be interesting.

I hope we don't have to wait another 3 years to see that.....

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Thank you, Hulu, for introducing me to this show now that The Americans is over!  (Ok, I'm like 3 years behind, but it's new to me because I was clueless before).

Anyway.  I'm relying entirely on the subtitles, but I quickly got used to them.  

Not sure how I feel about Lenora.  I understand she believes in her cause and thinks that the West is going to annihilate East Germany if she doesn't do her part to stop it , and she also thinks this will get her sister a kidney transplant ... but she just straight up kidnapped her nephew and could get him killed!   If he gets killed on this very dangerous mission, I doubt her sister is going to care so much about getting that new kidney, she probably would've rather spent more time with her son.

I like Martin.  He's handling the situation as well as can be expected, I guess, although trying to call Annet ... hoo boy.  If they didn't need him so badly, the East German spies would have killed him ASAP after learning about that little stunt.    

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Just finished season 2 ("Deutschland 86"), and I LOVED it. Just a few of my random thoughts on this season:

  • Martin opting to stay in the East and get to know his son, Max makes sense. But it irks me to see Annett prosper in any way.
  • I'm so glad Martin helped to reunite Tina and her daughters. Fritzi Haberlandt did such a great job as Tina. She was one of my MVPs of this season. 
  • Loved Comrade Hartmann and his poet's soul. His reaction to Rocky Horror Picture Show was priceless.
  • While Annett continues to annoy me, I was glad to see the show lean in to her evilness. Can't wait to see how she takes the wall coming down in 1989.
  • There wasn't enough Alex this season, but what I did see of him, I really enjoyed. Ludwig Trepte is just so good in this role. He was great playing Alex as the naif in season 1, and he was even better portraying the more grown up Alex this season. I wish Alex and Tim could have been happy together.
  • Lenora and Frau Netz coming face to face in that interrogation room was delicious.
  • Speaking of Frau Netz, who knew she contained such multitudes!
  • I didn't really get into the Brigitte character, or her relationship with Martin. She felt more like a plot device than a real character. Loved the actress, though.
  • Good on Rose for taking out Gary. I was dreading where he would turn up next.
  • Rose was also one of my favorite additions this season. Love love love Florence Kasumba.
  • Tischbier remains as shady as ever, and I love it! 

Finally, I feel like Jonas Nay really came into this own this season. He had to carry so much of the show, and he did a superb job.

I hope the wait for Deutschland 89 isn't too long.

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On 12/31/2018 at 7:54 PM, Gillian Rosh said:
  • Loved Comrade Hartmann and his poet's soul. His reaction to Rocky Horror Picture Show was priceless.

On a quirkiness level Comrade Hartman was my most MVP this season. I loved him in the penultimate episode as he was freaking out about the radiation levels being too high while everyone else gaslighted him.  He knew his scientific instruments were telling him something was very, very clearly wrong, he knew by history that the accident he could see the evidence of could be covered up, meanwhile everyone else was seeing nothing out if the ordinary and acting like he is mad. The poor man was cracking up. And then the subtle flip, when the Russians admitted the truth about Chernobyl, to Walter asking him about the safety of the refreshments he was about to serve. It was excellent and it made my blood run cold to watch. I have vague memories of the time and my parents being worried, especially about my newborn brother and how best to feed him when the radioactive cloud came over us in Ireland.

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