S02.E10: Aftermath

[hacerry]

I just watched the second preview on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YZzL3Ufxu8

... Oh TC, don't go down THAT path. I know it's a small slide, but that's a path with a very slippery slope, friend. Sad face. :-(

 

However, the same preview clip also gets me excited for some tense, possibly tearful TC / Jordan moment(s). Yeah, probably just one... that's okay. My fan-wank head-cannon says that the entire season finale will be TC / Jordan based, so I can wait happily. :D

Edited April 20, 2015 by hacerry

[ShortyMac]

Isn't that soldier guy Topher was treating protected by HIPAA? So he couldn't tell the wife his HIV status.

[thuganomics85]

Oh, T.C.  I've been liking you much more this season compared to the last, but, come on, dude.  Even you should have known that having a baby can change things, so maybe you should actually talk to your baby's mother/girlfriend first, before re-buying your motorcycle.  I'm not going to say he automatically should be allowed to drive cycles again (I have no idea if motorcycles are more dangerous then cars or not), but that was still inconsiderate of him.  Only reason I'm not too upset, because I feel like the show was with me, since they pretty much had Topher all "Dude, that is a bad idea!" about it.  I feel like, 9 times out of 10, the show tends to have him be the voice of reason.  A small moment, but I did like how he also gave Jordan a supportive pat on the back, before their little spat.  I like that he is a good friend to both of them, and he lets them handle their own issues in the end, but will voice his opinion and even pick a side.

 

So, last week, we've got a doctor faking a prescription and taking drugs.  This week, we've got a doctor blackmailing a surgeon to perform an operation.  Granted, that guy seemed like a huge jerk, but this is a line I wish the show quit crossing.  I just don't care for seeing the doctors bending or breaking the rules this much.  Yeah, yeah, I get it: drama and everything, but I'm getting a bit tired of it.

 

Drew's save from last week puts him out in the public, and it freaks him out.  Thankfully, Rick comes back and tells them they can be together again, if Drew starts coming out of the shadows/closet more.  He take a nice step by doing an interview with Rick, so hopefully we'll see Drew slowly be more willing to not be so scared about his personal life.  That said, I don't blame him for getting pissed about what that homeless guy did.

 

The stuff with Jordan/Krista was kind of silly, but it has it moments.  I don't blame the vet assistant dude for being a little bit attracted to them.  Saving lives is a turn-on!

 

Glad we got some Topher-centric stuff, and Ken Leung shined as always.  Ragosa didn't do much, but I always enjoy it when those two characters work together. Interesting over how they handled the cheating reveal, with Ragosa not sure if he could ever forgive something like that, but Topher was more forgiving.  Makes sense, I guess, since Topher seems to be close to both of them, and he seemed to understand how lonely and hard it can be for both parties.

 

Next week: what did you do, Scott?  What did you do?!!

[DeLurker]

Isn't that soldier guy Topher was treating protected by HIPAA? So he couldn't tell the wife his HIV status.

The woman was engaged to the guy, so not yet the wife. And I would think so about the HIPAA, but since she needed to be told her blood tested positive when she donated I just blew right over that.

Jordan is the worst TV crier. So so bad at it.

Edited April 21, 2015 by DeLurker

[Kat]

TC is seriously the worst. In all aspects, personally and professionally.

Re: HIPAA violation with Topher - if this was real, the doctor would advise the fiancé of her condition. The end. Topher would have a separate conversation with the soldier then mention that it's possible that the fungal meningitis happened because of a suppressed immune system because of HIV. Also? "Bio-shrapnel" Ewwwww!

I think I alarmed everyone in my household with my screaming of "JUST KISS HIM!!!" as Drew and Rick were talking.

But seriously, I really need Drew and Rick back together for good.

Edited April 21, 2015 by Kat

[Good Queen Jane]

I understand the need to compress time lines to tell a story, but the brain tumor segment was just too much. The girl had a tumor removed from her brain (sucked through her nose? I never saw Derek on Grey's Anatomy do that, but okay) and then less than four hours later she has a lap band surgically inserted?! And all under the direction of her emergency room physician? The story would have worked better for me if they had just stop with the discovery of the tumor.

 

And while I'm complaining about things taking me out of the story, couldn't they have had Jordan and Krista coming back from the conference instead of being on the way there? I kept worrying about Jordan not showing up for her talk not to mention why they were traveling so late since conferences are rarely held at night. Minor stuff, I know, but still distracting.

[SonofaBiscuit]

Okay...Jill Flint's acting during the motorcycle confrontation scene with TC (at the end of the episode) was just atrocious.  It was seriously bad, and at first I thought it was a joke or something, and she was going to burst out laughing in the middle of her hormonal rant.  So...yeah...that majorly took me out of the scene there at the end.  

 

I started watching at the very end of the first season, so I have no idea how Rick was injured, and I think that I missed most of whatever happened to their relationship, but I like the two of them together.  Plus, I have lots of goodwill for the two men built up from Brendan Fehr's days on Roswell and Luke Macfarlane's time on Brothers and Sisters. 

[DeLurker]

Okay...Jill Flint's acting during the motorcycle confrontation scene with TC (at the end of the episode) was just atrocious.  It was seriously bad, and at first I thought it was a joke or something, and she was going to burst out laughing in the middle of her hormonal rant.  So...yeah...that majorly took me out of the scene there at the end. 

The best part of that scene was Topher.

[Aliconehead]

 

 

SONOFABISCUIT, ON 21 APR 2015 - 07:32 AM, SAID:

Okay...Jill Flint's acting during the motorcycle confrontation scene with TC (at the end of the episode) was just atrocious.  It was seriously bad, and at first I thought it was a joke or something, and she was going to burst out laughing in the middle of her hormonal rant.  So...yeah...that majorly took me out of the scene there at the end.

 

The best part of that scene was Topher.

Thats not saying much.  The best part of most scenes is Topher

[Kat]

 

I started watching at the very end of the first season, so I have no idea how Rick was injured, and I think that I missed most of whatever happened to their relationship, but I like the two of them together.  Plus, I have lots of goodwill for the two men built up from Brendan Fehr's days on Roswell and Luke Macfarlane's time on Brothers and Sisters.

RIck was injured and had to have his leg amputated after his platoon was in a bus accident on their way home to the base from a 1 yr deployment in Iraq. He and Drew had both been Captains in the Army and very much in the closet, although living together for years.

 

If you get the chance I'd recommend watching the episode from the season 1 where Drew and Rick's relationship is exposed. Super powerful and one of the best written and acted episodes this show has produced.

 

 

I understand the need to compress time lines to tell a story, but the brain tumor segment was just too much. The girl had a tumor removed from her brain (sucked through her nose? I never saw Derek on Grey's Anatomy do that, but okay) and then less than four hours later she has a lap band surgically inserted?! And all under the direction of her emergency room physician? The story would have worked better for me if they had just stop with the discovery of the tumor.

This is my main complaint for all hospital-based shows! Grey's Anatomy is the biggest offender, and "Night Shift" is usually fairly okay about it (although they spend way more time in the field doing an EMTs job than real ER docs would do), but last night's ep absolutely stretched the plausibility to ridiculous limits.

That kind of brain surgery takes HOURS. Gastric bypass takes HOURS! We're only talking about a 12 hour period here folks - IRL that girl wouldn't have even been out of recovery, much less awake and vomiting etc. ANYWAY...***fan wank fan wank***

 

 

Do local TV stations often do on-camera interviews in bars?

At 8:30 in the morning?!! Yeah, that was dumb.

Edited April 21, 2015 by Kat

[starri]

Do local TV stations often do on-camera interviews in bars?  I can understand that they might have wanted to save money and shoot it on an existing set, but why not do it in the hospital?

 

I understand that we were supposed to read Jordan's freakout as a lovely cliched pregnant lady hormone-fest, and maybe it was just that it was poorly written, but Jill.  Flint.  Is.  A.  Terrible.  Actress.

 

Regarding HIV and HIPAA:  if I remember my medical ethics class right, if one partner has HIV, there's a duty to prevent that partner from harming the other, but I think there's an intermediate step where you have to give the first person the option of being the one who tells.  And I swore I was going to stop nitpicking the medicine because this show is not a documentary, and they have been a lot better this season, but if the girlfriend/wife had seroconverted at New Years, four months is a very short amount of time for her to not only expose Topher's friend, but to have him develop cryptococcosis.

[saber5055]

So does this show have a Seizure Of The Week now? Because every episode someone has a seizure. Enough already.

 

And the lap band surgeon is doing lap band surgery in the middle of the night? Please.

 

And all of a sudden an emergency patient HAS to have lap band surgery RIGHT NOW or she will overeat and die? The heck? Patients way bigger than she was wait, plus have to go through the training. Because getting a lap band doesn't mean you quit wanting to overeat. How many gastric bypass/lap band people do you know who put all the weight back on? Yeah, that's right.

 

Those gals need to get better cell phones. Where in the heck would you be where there is no reception anywhere for miles and miles? And yeah, driving to the conference in the middle of the night. Again: The heck?

 

All I could think of was, I hope they pour lots of antibiotics into that motorcycle guy after he's been stuffed with a kid's balloon and a bunch of other junk. Including the unwashed hands and breathing of both women who lugged him into the back of an unclean car.

 

Jordan's ending hormonal scene would have been more realistic if she had some hormonal breakdown during the motorcycle crash scenes. But no, she saves it up for TC. Hated it and her for it. And the motorcycle guy was a KID? He looked the same age as Jordan, he was no pre-schooler. Jordan was all about having to call his mom when the guy most likely has a wife.

 

TC is all of a sudden Mr. Nice Guy this go 'round. What's up with that? No more Mr. Badass?

 

I was really uncomfortable with Rick's interview being about his "partner" and not how and what Rick did what he did. And I completely appreciate Rick's wanting privacy. Not every Good Sam has the ego that needs to go public, and I respected Rick wanting to keep his life private. Of course the show wanted to make an anvil out of his being gay, but to me that has nothing to do with people wanting to be left alone.

Edited April 21, 2015 by saber5055

[Aliconehead]

 

I was really uncomfortable with Rick's interview being about his "partner" and not how and what Rick did what he did. And I completely appreciate Rick's wanting privacy. Not every Good Sam has the ego that needs to go public, and I respected Rick wanting to keep his life private. Of course the show wanted to make an anvil out of his being gay, but to me that has nothing to do with people wanting to be left alone.

Rick (the boyfriend) wanted to be out, Drew (the doctor) wanted privacy.  While I agree that not everyone wants to be overt with their sexuality, Rick (the boyfriend) felt that Drew was still have in the closet.  Kenny also agreed.  He left the choice up to Drew, be completely out or find a new guy. You do not have to be overt, but to me it seemed like Drew was ashamed of his sexuality.  YMMV though.

[LittleIggy]

So does this show have a Seizure Of The Week now? Because every episode someone has a seizure. Enough already.

 

I always look forward to the moment when the patient who is doing fine after the treatment/surgery suddenly seizes, goes into cardiac arrest, etc. Better yet if it happens right after the patient has been chatting happily with the staff or a loved one. ;-)

[starri]

Rick (the boyfriend) wanted to be out, Drew (the doctor) wanted privacy.  While I agree that not everyone wants to be overt with their sexuality, Rick (the boyfriend) felt that Drew was still have in the closet.  Kenny also agreed.  He left the choice up to Drew, be completely out or find a new guy. You do not have to be overt, but to me it seemed like Drew was ashamed of his sexuality.  YMMV though.

OTOH, it was rather abrupt to have Rick, who last we saw, was a mess and didn't want to be anywhere near Drew, to return after five-ish episodes cleaned up and so confident.  It's not a bad thing, because honestly, had Luke MacFarlane showed up at my workplace with his heart out like that, I would have dropped trou immediately (or at least fucking kissed him, Drew).  And I never really got the impression that Rick was hiding:  when he was losing his leg, he reach out to Drew for comfort and didn't seem to care what anyone else thought.  I guess expecting emotional authenticity is a little much.  I mean, we're lucky the show has corrected from "completely ridiculous" to "somewhat ridiculous."

 

Also, didn't TC roll up to Naomi's quinceanera on a motorcycle?

[saber5055]

Rick (the boyfriend) wanted to be out, Drew (the doctor) wanted privacy.

 

 

Gah, I totally mixed up Rick and Drew. Thanks for clarifying for me Aliconehead. What I meant to say is, IMO it's okay for DREW to want to be private about his heroics and I was uncomfortable that the interviewer talked about Drew's "partner" (RICK!) who wasn't even there during the shooting. Yeah, I know, Drew was still "maybe" half in the closet, but everyone at his work and in his army group knew about him being gay so who cares about anyone else. Why do people want to dwell on sexuality anyway?

 

I hate PDAs of any kind. And Rick and Drew had broken up, so they were partners (again? really?) for what ... maybe five minutes before that interview? I think they had a lot to talk over before doing an interview. I still admire "heroes" who do not need the ego feed of doing interviews. So, bottom line: Drew, I'm disappointed in you.

[dargosmydaddy]

 

 

Do local TV stations often do on-camera interviews in bars?

At 8:30 in the morning?!! Yeah, that was dumb.

This is the same bar that was willing to host a last-minute quinceanara ... it's apparently quite the place...

 

 

I hate PDAs of any kind. And Rick and Drew had broken up, so they were partners (again? really?) for what ... maybe five minutes before that interview? I think they had a lot to talk over before doing an interview. I still admire "heroes" who do not need the ego feed of doing interviews. So, bottom line: Drew, I'm disappointed in you.

I saw that as Drew both responding to Kenny's advice to be a role model, and to Rick's challenge to be truly out together. Yes, he wanted to avoid the limelight, but I think he did the interview for the right reasons, not to be a fame whore. It did happen quickly (like everything else on the show including the medicine...) but it's not like Drew and Rick have known each other for five minutes. They've been a couple for a long time before the break up (which only lasted like, what? a month or two?). And as far as PDA's go, holding hands on camera is pretty mild.

[Aliconehead]

My issue with Drew's PDA issues is that he does not seem to have that problem with Krista. Drew is more affectionate with Krista than he was with his boyfriend.

I too saw the interview as two fold, 1) putting a stop to the harassment to news was inflicting on him and 2)dragosmydaddy stated, being an out and proud role model Amanda showing Rick he is committed. Perceptions can't change with out people willing to be the role models.

[saber5055]

It did happen quickly (like everything else on the show including the medicine...)

 

 

Sometimes I forget that these tv shows take place in a time-space continuum not in harmony with the real world. I have to remember that and quit harping about it. But then gee, what's the fun in that?

 

ETA: I forgot to add that another irk with this show (okay, so I'm going to continue harping) besides the Seizure Of The Week is that each week there is a patient who has a person with him/her who throws such a tizwad when the patient starts flatlining that one of the DOCTORS has to stop administering to the dying person to escort the crazy person out of the door. What's up with that?

Edited April 22, 2015 by saber5055

[DeLurker]

My issue with Drew's PDA issues is that he does not seem to have that problem with Krista. Drew is more affectionate with Krista than he was with his boyfriend..

Drew 's affection with Krista seemed spot on in my experience. Had a couple of friends who weren't out in high school & college. They were very comfortable and affectionate with their female friends. Getting comfortable being affectionate with a boyfriend in public took some doing once they came out.

[hacerry]

Also, didn't TC roll up to Naomi's quinceanera on a motorcycle?

Yeah, totally the same moto-ped. (The engine noise sounds really tinny and toy-ish to me, so maybe my hearing is going. But I can't in my right mind call it a motorcylce. Sorry; personal nitpick.)

I briefly wondered about that too.I'm thinking that these were another episode-out-of-order. But now that I'm talking about it.... Be right back. ;)

[dargosmydaddy]

On a completely different note, maybe Jordan should stop attending conferences, or at least ones that require her to be driving on deserted highways after dark. Between this and the coyote episode, it always turns into something crazy. Though I do enjoy the random MacGuyver-ing medicine they get to preform in said situations, unrealistic as it may be.

[sinkwriter]

 

Jordan's ending hormonal scene would have been more realistic if she had some hormonal breakdown during the motorcycle crash scenes.

 

I didn't mind it happening then because (generally speaking) hormonal scenes often happen when you least expect them, sometimes over the seemingly most trivial of things. It was clichéd, but I did laugh because her rant was just so ridiculous and nonsensical and TC's face was so "WTF, you crazy person?" that it amused me.

[DeLurker]

Jordan's ending hormonal scene would have been more realistic if she had some hormonal breakdown during the motorcycle crash scenes. But no, she saves it up for TC. Hated it and her for it. And the motorcycle guy was a KID? He looked the same age as Jordan, he was no pre-schooler. Jordan was all about having to call his mom when the guy most likely has a wife.

She's an ER doctor, so I'd expect her to be able to keep it together during the crash scenes.    I'll begrudgingly give them credit on this one.

 

I always look forward to the moment when the patient who is doing fine after the treatment/surgery suddenly seizes, goes into cardiac arrest, etc. Better yet if it happens right after the patient has been chatting happily with the staff or a loved one. ;-)

We really need to start ranking the quality of the seizures - a Seizure Quotient from 0 - 10. 

 

I thought this one was laughably bad - flopping on the elevator floor like a fish out of water.  I'd give it 2 on the SQ but a 7.5 on the AQ (Amusement Quotient)

[Ohmo]

One thing I haven't seen mentioned is whatever's up with Topher.  The Dubai trip is obviously going to become a "thing."  That's not a spoiler.  The writers were hinting the heck out of that.  There was also that weird conversation between Topher and Michael when they were talking about the special ops guy who was diagnosed with HIV.  Topher was saying that he empathized with the troops and he didn't cheat on Janet, but I felt he was alluding to something else that was unsaid.  I will be very annoyed if the writers screw up Topher's marriage.  Regosa's already divorcing his wife, and I love the thought of Topher/Janet.  I realize that not every marriage is a happy, well-functioning, traditional one, but THEIR marriage happens to be a happy, well-functioning, traditional one.  It works for them, and it works in the context of the show.  There's no need to "rock the boat" to make it something it doesn't have to be.

 

IOW, Writers, do not screw with the awesomeness that is Topher!  Thank you.

[dargosmydaddy]

 

One thing I haven't seen mentioned is whatever's up with Topher.  The Dubai trip is obviously going to become a "thing."  That's not a spoiler.  The writers were hinting the heck out of that.  There was also that weird conversation between Topher and Michael when they were talking about the special ops guy who was diagnosed with HIV.  Topher was saying that he empathized with the troops and he didn't cheat on Janet, but I felt he was alluding to something else that was unsaid.

I thought it had something to do with the money he was sending in the other episode? The kid he is helping to support after the father was tortured to death?