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10 minutes ago, RadioGirl27 said:

And, yeah, at least Morpheus looks hot. But it seems he is going to interact with Belle and Rumple, so ugh.

I'm sure he'll interact with other people as well, but Belle does make sense considering she's under a Sleeping Curse. I wouldn't put it past Rumple to cut a deal with Morpheus to wake Belle in return for Storybrooke privileges. Rumple's been selling Storybrooke to the highest bidder starting from Regina to the Snow Queen to Hyde. Plus I also read somewhere that both Belle and Rumple filmed for episode 1. She'll probably be  awake by the end of the episode. 

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Anyone clamoring for Aladdin and Jasmine should know that Eddie hates Jasmine. 

Oh, no! Really?? Let's see ... She ruined Regina's life when she refused to export perfume to the Evil Queen's kingdom. 

I too am disappointed we're not getting Sinbad and Sheherezade. But at least we get Morpheus!

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When everyone realized Rumple and Regina weren't coming back, they had a big celebration and put on a cloaking spell so they can never be found or contacted ever again.

Curio
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At least someone is freaking out over Emma's darkness. Keep giving a shit, Hook! You're pretty much the only one who does...

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HER GRANDMA IS EMMA! Are they being serious with this?

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8 minutes ago, Curio said:

How did you hear about this? I mean, it's so totally random that I'd believe he'd say it, but still.

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Kitsis, however, may not be cool with incorporating some of the more modern Disney characters, like Princess Jasmine from Aladdin. Horowitz called him out for not liking her, and all he would say about that was "she didn't return my phone calls." Hmm, playing coy looks good on him.

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What is there to even hate about Disney's Jasmine? That's so random, Edward.

When can the actual good sword fighters on the show actually get to sword fight? Captain Hook and Charming are supposed to be amazing swordsmen, and we barely get any scenes with them having sword fights that last longer than 3 seconds. I want an epic Montoya vs Dread Pirate Roberts kind of sword fight.

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I wonder, if Jasmine and Aladdin bring in good ratings, will ABC consider keeping them on as regulars/semi-regulars going into the future? They did it with Captain Hook, Belle, and partially with Robin Hood and Will.

Definitely not if Jasmine and Aladdin get a conclusion as a reunited couple.  Happy couples are not wanted on this show.  They haven't even brought Philip back once.

Hook, Belle and Robin were all brought in as love interests.  Even Will eventually became a love interest.  So the only way they would do this is if Aladdin is made into Zelena or Regina's love interest, which wouldn't bode well for Jasmine.

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Rumsy4

Rumsy4

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15 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

They don't need love interests, they have each other. 

If you know what I mean ... sorry. :-p

I know you think it unlikely Regina will get another LI, but I feel it is inevitable in this kind of Show. At most ONCE has two seasons left, and I feel the writers are bound to bring a new LI for Regina sooner than later. Maybe the writers had not originally envisioned writing a romance for Regina, and regret caving in to Lana's request for one. If that is the case, I will be surprised, but impressed, if they decided to keep Regina single until the end of the Show. 

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That was Mr. Hyde talking.

Tut tut. Did the evil Snow White convince you to drink the Jekyll Juice?

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Shanna Marie

Shanna Marie

21 minutes ago, Camera One said:

That was Mr. Hyde talking.

You were a different person back when you posted it, so you can't be blamed.

I get the impression that they're interested in developing the sisterly relationship between Zelena and Regina (now that they have their memories of that one day they spent together as kids and it changes everything), and they only seem able to develop one relationship at a time. They couldn't seem to write scenes between Regina and Robin while Regina and Zelena were working things out, so they may hold off on the romance for a while.

I know that the scene of Emma possibly being stabbed is probably meant to be shocking, considering that Hook has to console Henry, but since they can heal any wounds with the wave of a hand, that takes away the drama. Either Emma can just heal herself or Regina can do it for her (most likely).

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Curio

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Here's my totally-not-going-to-happen-because-I-never-get-my-way theory:

The writers finally took notice of the valid criticisms that their flashbacks are getting trite and boring, so the sword fight between Emma and the black cloaked person is actually a flashforward fight between Regina and Emma. The Big Shocking Reveal™ will be that it's Regina under the cloak, not Evil Queen Regina. That's why no one is running to aid Emma because Henry is probably all, "You can't hurt either of them! They're both my moms! Let them hash out their issues on their own! Everybody listen to me because I'm a 13-year-old boy!" Because Morpheus plays a large role in the premiere, the writers will make the audience think it's just a dream at first, but the bigger End Game Reveal is that it's a flashforward (because A&E can't stop stealing from Lost) to the end of the season. This is also why Lana was shown practicing sword fighting because she and Emma will be dueling at some point in the premiere or an upcoming episode.

Thus begins Season 6: The Season of Flashforwards.

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12 minutes ago, Curio said:

The writers finally took notice of the valid criticisms that their flashbacks are getting trite and boring, so the sword fight between Emma and the black cloaked person is actually a flashforward fight between Regina and Emma.

And then that means that Hook having a left hand in the photos means it's not just a rehearsal shot or a dream, it's a clue! He gets his hand back somewhere along the way.

It would actually be interesting if they did this, though I'm sure that it would be one of those things where it's not what we think it is, and there's some reason that Regina and Emma are fighting other than Regina being evil. Like, it's all a setup to draw out the villain, and that's why Hook is holding Henry back rather than rushing to Emma's aid -- he's in on it and doesn't want Henry to screw up the plan.

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YaddaYadda

I think it's a vision that Emma has of the fight and ultimately getting stabbed. Because she's had a vision before of Red the monster killing her mother even though all she saw was something jumping on Snow as opposed to something killing Snow. She jumped to that conclusion.

That being said, I looked at some of the pictures that were taken by the set goers, and in the ones where they filmed in front of the Town Hall, there's a shot of Emma holding that stunt gun, she is looking at her hand and looks worried. I think her magic might have gone wonky somehow.

In the ones of Hyde and Regina, Regina looks like she is using magic on Hyde, and there's a reaction shot of him where he's sort of doubled over before he grabs her by the neck and starts strangling her.

We know from season 5 finale that Hyde is immune to magic. He absorbed Zelena's fireball, but was knocked out by the wand when Snow zapped him with it. A friend of mine thinks that maybe him absorbing magic into himself is what's making him that strong that he needs two people to cuff him, take him to the squad car even though he just hit the windshield of a car.

What has me sold on Emma's vision is the last scene that was filmed with JMo in Steveston. She comes out of Granny's alone and she looks shaken up. So if she's inside Granny's with her family and she sees herself sword fighting, and losing, I can see why she would be pretty shaken up. Dreams are easily dismissed, but something that happens to her while she's wide awake, that might be the reason she might seek Archie out, to try and make sense of whatever that was.

The sword fight training that Lana recorded is interesting. Because unlike Emma, Regina will be using magic, and it fails. Not only is the person she's fighting against still standing, but she gets disarmed too a few moments later, so her magic did not affect her opponent overmuch. 

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Curio

Curio

12 minutes ago, Shanna Marie said:

It would actually be interesting if they did this, though I'm sure that it would be one of those things where it's not what we think it is, and there's some reason that Regina and Emma are fighting other than Regina being evil. Like, it's all a setup to draw out the villain, and that's why Hook is holding Henry back rather than rushing to Emma's aid -- he's in on it and doesn't want Henry to screw up the plan.

My memory is fuzzy of Season 2...wasn't there an episode where Snow gave Regina a test to see if she'd stab her with a dagger when Snow released Regina from her jail cell? And when Regina failed the test and stabbed Snow, it didn't hurt her because she used a special blade or something? Am I totally making this up?

Maybe it will be the same thing here. Regina will "stab" Emma and make it look like she's dead to appease the Big Bad, but they'll use the same magical blade technique as the other episode. Oh wait, that requires continuity. Never mind.

Shanna Marie

Shanna Marie

22 minutes ago, Curio said:

My memory is fuzzy of Season 2...wasn't there an episode where Snow gave Regina a test to see if she'd stab her with a dagger when Snow released Regina from her jail cell? And when Regina failed the test and stabbed Snow, it didn't hurt her because she used a special blade or something? Am I totally making this up?

I remember something like that, but I don't remember exactly why it didn't work -- or was it because Rumple had already cast the spell that kept Regina from being able to directly hurt Snow? There was some spell like that, since that was the reason Snow let Regina go. She figured it was okay if Regina couldn't hurt her as long as they were in that world.

If it is a vision of Emma's, I wonder if that's part of how they first learn that the Evil Queen is around -- Emma has the vision of fighting Regina, everyone dismisses it, even Emma, and they don't realize that it's actually a clue about the Evil Queen. It will be yet another case of someone being criticized for daring to say Regina might be wrong, them being proved right, but still being treated like they're in the wrong. See: the end of 3A when Emma knew something was wrong with Henry, and she was accused of being jealous of Regina.

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My memory is fuzzy of Season 2...wasn't there an episode where Snow gave Regina a test to see if she'd stab her with a dagger when Snow released Regina from her jail cell? And when Regina failed the test and stabbed Snow, it didn't hurt her because she used a special blade or something? Am I totally making this up?

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I remember something like that, but I don't remember exactly why it didn't work -- or was it because Rumple had already cast the spell that kept Regina from being able to directly hurt Snow?

Yeah, that did happen and Rumple did cast that spell over Snow and Charming. That was meant to be the catalyst for Regina wanting to cast the Dark Curse.

Souris

Souris

4 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

What has me sold on Emma's vision is the last scene that was filmed with JMo in Steveston. She comes out of Granny's alone and she looks shaken up. So if she's inside Granny's with her family and she sees herself sword fighting, and losing, I can see why she would be pretty shaken up. Dreams are easily dismissed, but something that happens to her while she's wide awake, that might be the reason she might seek Archie out, to try and make sense of whatever that was.

Hmm. Possibly. My spec was that Emma comes out of Granny's and then encounters the hooded figure. Her family runs up when she's fighting. I seem to remember seeing a set spoiler that they run up while Emma is fighting.

I do think that maybe Emma does seek out Archie because of the dreams/visions.

Shanna Marie

Shanna Marie

38 minutes ago, Writing Wrongs said:

Regina couldn't hurt Snow or Charming in their land, hence the curse. But apparently that doesn't cover ripping hearts out. ;)

I think the heart ripping/cricket down the shirt incident happened before that spell, since it happened after the war was won and that happened when Snow was still in Bandit mode -- or are you talking about when it was done to cast curse 2? Maybe curse 1 negated that spell. Or it didn't count when they asked for it. Or the writers forgot about it.

I'm not sure I could stomach rewatching the episode in question to see why the stabbing didn't work, but I'm sure they could easily invent a blade that causes a fake wound. It's been on the shelf next to that gauntlet all along.

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Serena

The stabbing didn't work because Rumple had cast a curse that made Regina unable to harm Snow and Charming. I distincly remember it because it made me so mad that they would let her go, because she was perfectly able to hurt other people and Snow, having seen the village she mass-murdered, was completely aware that she would, too. It was such a stupid plot, because all Regina had to do was say, "Hey, come here and surrender yourself to me, otherwise I'll kill this random kid." and she would have won.

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Rumsy4

Rumsy4

3 hours ago, Serena said:

The stabbing didn't work because Rumple had cast a curse that made Regina unable to harm Snow and Charming. I distincly remember it because it made me so mad that they would let her go, because she was perfectly able to hurt other people and Snow, having seen the village she mass-murdered, was completely aware that she would, too. It was such a stupid plot, because all Regina had to do was say, "Hey, come here and surrender yourself to me, otherwise I'll kill this random kid." and she would have won.

Taking this to the All Season's thread.

Shanna Marie

Shanna Marie

Well, Aladdin did all that stealing stuff on land, then the genie granted him a ship, and he took to the seas, becoming known as his alter ego, Sinbad. Only it turns out that the genie was really Rumple, manipulating him to find some magical gizmo he thought he might need to find Bae. Meanwhile, Jasmine ran away from her oppressive life in the palace, only to find herself captured and married to a sultan, so she had to spin fabulous tales to keep him entertained in order to keep herself alive. The magical gizmo Rumple wants is in that sultan's palace, and Aladdin/Sinbad will rescue Jasmine. All in flashbacks in one episode. That's how this show rolls.

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1 minute ago, Souris said:

Based on pics from today's filming, looked like one of those steampunk airships from the Land of Untold Stories crashed in the SB forest.

That picture was pretty cool. Love the imagery. But then I'm a big steampunk fan.

I want Hook to get to sail on an airship. It seems like something he would get into, and he has some experience with flying ships.

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14 hours ago, Shanna Marie said:

I want Hook to get to sail on an airship. It seems like something he would get into, and he has some experience with flying ships.

See, this is why the show has so much more potential to be cool if it takes place outside of Storybrooke. If this season started out in the Land of Untold Stories, we could have gotten several steampunk episodes where Hook could have flown an airship, Snow could have upgraded her bow and arrow set to a more steampunkish crossbow (goggles required, of course), and Charming and Hook (and now I guess I have to include Emma and Regina in the list of "competent sword fighters"...sigh) could have dueled against the Three Musketeers.

I suppose Hook could still sail an airship in Storybrooke if they fix that one up, but when's the last time anything cool like that actually happened in Storybrooke?

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Souris

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I'm excited the real Jolly Roger is in Steveston! This is the first time they'll have used the real ship in forever. (I realize it's an assumption that the ship is in Steveston for filming, but c'mon, why else would she be there?) She left her home port yesterday.

It must be pretty pricey to get the real ship up there. They were supposed to use it for the Dark Swan/Hook "date" last year, but budget precluded it so they did it inside in studio instead.

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Shanna Marie

Shanna Marie

9 minutes ago, Souris said:

I'm excited the real Jolly Roger is in Steveston! This is the first time they'll have used the real ship in forever.

I was so excited about the news. Those shots in "The Crocodile" were utterly gorgeous when the ship was out at sea.

By the way, did you know you can book trips to sail on "Lady Washington"?

Souris

Souris

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24 minutes ago, Shanna Marie said:

I was so excited about the news. Those shots in "The Crocodile" were utterly gorgeous when the ship was out at sea.

By the way, did you know you can book trips to sail on "Lady Washington"?

I did, but being on the opposite of the country, it does me little good, alas!

Pic of the ship in Steveston!

Apparently they told the girl on set that they weren't using it for filming today or tomorrow -- but I think that is probably untrue (unless they're filming in secret early Thursday). They're not going to sail that ship up to Steveston NOT to film on it. It's due back in Washington for tours on the 22nd.

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CCTC

Is the new guy Craig Horner from the old Legend of the Seeker?  I miss those old syndicated series from the 80's and the 90's, Legends of the Seeker, Hercules, Xena (esp when it did not take itself too seriously), Lost World etc.  They were nice popcorn fantasy and/or adventure shows that the networks had stopped doing by then.  In a way Once fits in with those shows.

Curio

Curio

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59 minutes ago, RadioGirl27 said:

Now, for episode 2, we have Regina the Greatest Swordfighter ever

Well, this really doesn't come as much of a surprise at this point. Mary Sues tend to be irrelevantly over-skilled.

Regina is a great horseback rider. Regina can pull white magic out of her ass. Regina can mayor better than Snow can. Regina is an amazing baker. Regina is great at making magical potions. Regina is better at locating Emma's baby blanket than Hook. Regina can use powerful magic. Regina can sword fight like a semi-pro, even though it doesn't make sense that she'd need to practice a physical defense skill like that because her default is to always use her magic. Oh, but let's retcon that she can't dance...that'll be her one flaw.

The only saving grace in the spoilers roundup is that it seems like Regina might be losing some of her magical skills. Thank goodness. If she truly split herself in two, the Evil Queen Regina should keep most of the magic because the majority of the magic Regina uses is dark magic. Actually, nearly all of her magic seems to stem from using darker magic. Oh god, we're going to revisit Regina using white magic again, aren't we?

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