S02.E08: The Brothers That Care Forgot

[ElectricBoogaloo]

Rebekah, who has spent months away living a normal life with baby Hope, finds herself on the run when she realizes Esther has uncovered her whereabouts. Convinced that Vincent and Kaleb would be powerful allies in his fight to take down Esther, Klaus sets a plan in motion to turn his brothers against their mother. Meanwhile, Hayley is conflicted when she and Jackson stumble upon an ancient ritual that would get their werewolf packs out from under Esther’s control, but would require her to make a tremendous sacrifice. Elsewhere, Rebekah is concerned when she notices something is off with Elijah. Finally, Davina takes matters into her own hands by turning to dark magic, and Cami finds herself at the center of Esther’s dangerous plan.

 

Promo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5YD9_zkh3g

 

Clips:

http://youtu.be/EA2NnkwsfMw

 

http://youtu.be/LcdhPD5zq7I

 

http://youtu.be/ZFV5bzZaggM

 

Inside the episode:

http://youtu.be/ATEDZ5yZrbY

[bluebonnet]

I wonder if it ever dawned on Esther that putting her children in mortal bodies opens up the possibility for an endless supply of first born children.  

[Lila82]

I'm shocked that Klaus isn't jumping at the chance to put Rebekah in Cami's body, because then he could have sex with his sister without them actually being related.  I guess the writers don't watch their own show, because if they did, they'd have seen the ridiculously inappropriate chemistry and complete lack of boundaries between the siblings, and done everything in their power to keep Klaus's sister and love interest in separate corners. 

 

More to the point: Elijah has always been charming, but he just got really interesting. The writers have teased his dark side across both shows and we've seen bits and pieces of it, but never in way where he's battling for his humanity.  I'm intrigued.  

 

Jackson would be infinitely more tolerable with a hair cut.   

 

Davina is drawing closer to joining Tami Taylor and Bow Johnson as the female characters I want to be when I grow up.   

[Artsda]

Loved seeing Rebeckha again!

 

Also I like the Hailey/Jackson story and them getting engaged for their pack. I prefer Hailey in the wolf story than the mooning over Elijah. That relationship feels so forced. 

 

Davina's such a spoiled brat. She needs to be slapped and put in her place, does she even know what she's after Klaus for at this point? Lock her back up in the church.

[Morrigan2575]

Great episode, all of the storylines worked.

I loved the Elijah/Hope/Rebekah reunion, so beautiful. It was wonderful seeing Rebekah again, I hope she sticks around for a few episodes. Poor Elijah, Esther's torture has really messed him up. At the same time, it's really nice to see a different side to Elijah, Daniel G is such a great actor, it will be nice to see him let loose. I also like the idea of swapping roles/personalities between Elijah and Klaus.

I had a mini freak out when they revealed Cami as a vessel, I don't know which idea was sicker, Cami as a vessel for Esther or Rebekah, that is messed up.

For once I found the Werewolf story interesting, I don't care about the romance and I'm going to detest the inevitable triangle. However, the idea of this new wolfpack is interesting. I think Jackson being on True Blood has helped, I seem to like him better now .

I'm glad they made Finn's actor a series regular, this guy is great, I really wasn't impressed with his cameo at the end of last season but he's really grown into the role

[Lady Calypso]

I really liked this episode. First off, Josh and Aiden? Squee. Cutest romance I've seen on this show, and on TVD. Now, if anything bad happens to either one of them, I will be furious. I still expect Aiden to die and have Josh's little heart break. I wish we could see more Josh as a vampire, though. For a supernatural, we don't see him use his abilities much. I don't mind seeing more of his human side, but I'd love to see him just zipping around with his vamp speed. 

 

I knew Davina was gonna ditch Josh, though, when she invited Aiden over. I love their friendship, but I feel bad for Josh. He's being pushed to the side for Kol. Well, kind of. I think Davina was more thinking about Klaus, but this Kol/Davina romance? I'm still not loving it. But yay for Davina getting the one up on Klaus again. Too bad he can't just stay gone.

 

Of course Cami's gonna get Rebekah in her body. I don't think Leah Pipes is great enough to embody Rebekah, though. Leah's not the worst actress, but she's not Claire Holt good. I'd rather Esther accidentally jump into Cami's body. I think Cami being Esther would still suck, but be better than Rebekah. But I guess if Marcel/Rebekah is still a thing, and Marcel/Cami is too....

 

I love this Elijah storyline. I think it's very intriguing and I've always wanted to see Elijah unhinged. I know this could partially be because of Daniel having to film Saving Hope at the same time as this show, but it's still a very welcoming storyline. I loved his reunion with Rebekah and Hope. The three did look like a happy little family. I love how Rebekah noticed something was wrong and snapped his neck the moment she knew what.

 

Yay for Finn's actor becoming a series regular. That means Finn's staying for some unknown reason at the moment. Now, I have to wonder about Kol/Daniel Sharman and if he's gonna jump back into his original body (assuming Esther has been keeping it for *enter reason here*.) 

 

So, the  werewolf storyline? Gotta admit, I skipped the wolf meeting scenes entirely. I figured they would become engaged because of Elijah ignoring Hayley and Hayley wanting to help the pack. If the ceremony actually works? That remains to be seen.

 

I do like how Klaus went 'screw that' and went right for Plan F (put Finn in the coffin...AGAIN) once he realized Elijah wasn't doing well. Finn's pleas not to go in were actually not great to hear. Dude's been stuck in a box for 900 years and now he has to go back in, but alive this time. Also, Finn telling Klaus about Dahlia? Perfect. I'm just waiting for Freya to make her appearance (if she hasn't already...). 

Edited November 26, 2014 by jessied112

[AlliMo]

This show is really firing on all cylinders this season. I look forward to it every week.

 

I actually found Klaus to be an absolute delight tonight. While he's maddening at times, in the hands of a lesser actor actor he could be nothing more than a caricature. Joseph Morgan gives him so much dimension.

[HunterHunted]

I'm shocked that Klaus isn't jumping at the chance to put Rebekah in Cami's body, because then he could have sex with his sister without them actually being related.  I guess the writers don't watch their own show, because if they did, they'd have seen the ridiculously inappropriate chemistry and complete lack of boundaries between the siblings, and done everything in their power to keep Klaus's sister and love interest in separate corners. 

Despite peeping on her kids from the otherside, Esther seems to have no idea about her children's psychosexual fucked upness. Does it really make sense putting Rebekah into the body of a woman both Klaus and Finn are attracted to? Klaus has had the sketchiest boundaries with Rebekah for a thousand years.

[rue721]

I wonder if it ever dawned on Esther that putting her children in mortal bodies opens up the possibility for an endless supply of first born children.

 

Why doesn't Team Monster try to use this issue to sell Finn on the idea of joining them to defeat Dahlia and get Freya back for Esther? I think it's pretty convincing that they'd need to keep their immortal bodies and hold off Esther through that mission (for Esther's own benefit, since she'd get her firstborn back). More convincing than that they're a bigger threat to Finn than Esther is, anyway. I'm not even convinced of that, and Esther *murdered* Finn, so I really doubt he'd ever think they're more dangerous/nuts/whatever than she is.

 

I guess the writers don't watch their own show, because if they did, they'd have seen the ridiculously inappropriate chemistry and complete lack of boundaries between the siblings, and done everything in their power to keep Klaus's sister and love interest in separate corners.

 

I think Esther/the writers chose Cami *because* of the inappropriate chemistry and relationships?! Finn apparently vetted Cami by asking prying questions about whether she and Klaus have a ~thing~ and by going out for drinks with her himself, and then told his mother that she was the right vessel for Rebekah because she's "perfect."

 

Though I didn't understand Finn's point about how Cami's also a good vessel because Klaus "would never hurt her." Klaus is already not trying to fuck up Esther's, or Kol's, or Finn's vessels, and I doubt he'd be trying to flat-out *kill* Rebekah anyway, right? What is Esther thinking he'd even do to Rebekah's vessel in any case? I guess it could just be a "fail safe" kind of plan in her eyes, but it seems like a better bet that someone would hold off on murdering his own sister than that he would hold off on murdering some random friend/crush anyway, right?

 

I actually don't even mind her crazy "jump into new bodies" plot, but why's she always got to be so insulting. It's always in this backhanded "does she even realize what she's implying?" way that nobody can even call her on, too. She's so aggravating.

 

More to the point: Elijah has always been charming, but he just got really interesting. The writers have teased his dark side across both shows and we've seen bits and pieces of it, but never in way where he's battling for his humanity.  I'm intrigued.

 

Agree completely! Elijah's preternatural composure has always creeped me out, so I'm loving how this storyline is shaping up. Though I admit that I laughed at his FREAK OUT!!1! over some coffee staining his sleeve. Next time, he should just ask for some seltzer water, I mean jeez a new stain like that is totally fixable, nbd. Anyway, I'm delighted that he's finally getting a character-driven storyline, it seems like he's mostly been relegated to being someone's love interest or #2/backup or a plot device.

 

Thinking about it, isn't this SL also a much better version of Stefan's "ripper" SL on TVD? What if we end up seeing a better re-do of all TVD's worst storylines? That would actually be kind of fun. I guess this show really is about redemption.

 

Davina's such a spoiled brat. She needs to be slapped and put in her place, does she even know what she's after Klaus for at this point? Lock her back up in the church.

 

I like her, at least she has spirit. She cracked me up with that smile after she'd goaded Klaus into drinking her blood and he was passing out behind her. Also, I felt very irritated on her behalf when she woke him up and he was like, "I really lost?!" all smarmy. Yeah, you did, dumbass, now go do your work so she can go back to killing you.

 

Also, Klaus should feel embarrassed that like 95% of his friends and family in this world were sitting there with his paralyzed body ten feet away from them and none of them gave a single shit, to the point that even he knew that the only reason he'd been revived was to do some chore or something for them. Maybe in his head is a similar magical oubliette/Red Door as Elijah had, only unlike Elijah, it's not memories of all his crimes hidden away in there, it's memories of all the times he embarrassed the hell out of himself. Maybe if Esther busted *that* open, Klaus would finally develop a sense of shame.

 

First off, Josh and Aiden? Squee. Cutest romance I've seen on this show, and on TVD. Now, if anything bad happens to either one of them, I will be furious.

 

Josh about killed me with that speech to Aiden and that little tug at his collar. How sweet can a person get? I would like to imagine that after Josh called for Davina and they realized she wasn't in the loft, they decided that she could wait a while and they hooked up. If I were Aiden, that would have been my vote for what to do next, anyway.

 

I am scared that now that they're turning out to be a happy romance, something is going to break them up. What with Jackson's whole spiel to Hayley about how if the alphas of a pack marry, it has to be a real marriage, and Aiden being Jackson's #2 in the pack, I'm worried that something is going to happen to *Jackson.* What if Jackson dies, and either Aiden becomes Alpha but has to have a marriage of convenience with Hayley (and poor Hayley, too, in that case) or has to agree to never become Alpha so that someone else can step up and marry her?

 

Though honestly, I don't know why the marriage has to be forever in any case. Can't it just be until they defeat Esther and can use the rings again?

 

Finn's pleas not to go in were actually not great to hear. Dude's been stuck in a box for 900 years and now he has to go back in, but alive this time.

 

I agree, that was horrible! My heart broke for Finn, I don't think he deserves that. His loyalty to Esther might be misguided, but it comes from a good place, and COME ON she's his mother. I don't even understand what Klaus expects him to do, Finn's not going to suddenly not love her because his brother told him she sucks. Also, Finn not just telling Klaus he'd go along with Team Monster and then double-cross them, or just betray Esther without much of a struggle, makes it seem like he has more integrity than most of the family, tbh. He'd probably be a good asset, but too bad Klaus is *the worst* at recruitment, apparently. What's even the point of trying to scare him by confirming that Klaus/Team Monster is really as horrible and untrustworthy as he'd thought? Isn't that going to send him right into Esther's arms? (Oh, and btw -- so happy about the actor becoming a regular! He's fantastic and has really transformed the character imo).

 

Oh, that reminds me of something I actually didn't like about this episode:  Kol seriously is just ~sad~ that he's the odd man out in the family? No way. He seems more like he wants some space from them and feels suffocated. I couldn't buy the bonding scenes between him and Klaus, not even because Kol and Klaus have so much water under the bridge, but because I just cannot believe for a second that those characters would ever like each other at all. Klaus is a control freak, and Kol is independent and likes being a free agent -- what relationship could they possibly have? Kol must be playing Team Monster. Though to be fair, they seem like they're being idiots. Did they ask for *any* proof that he was going to be loyal to them, or did they just take him at his word once he said OK? If they just were taking him at his word, then I really don't see why he *wouldn't* say yes to them, they told him they'd torture him if he said no!

 

Also, I thought it was interesting that they brought up when Kol was killed and burnt to a crisp in the Gilbert house, because like an hour before that happened, didn't he try to straight up murder Rebekah? Kol is not a sentimental person, I highly doubt he gives much of a shit whether his family loves him or not tbh.

 

Speaking of Kol, though, his scenes with Marcel were way more enjoyable than I would have expected. The characters really did seem like they had history and surprisingly enough, I could actually see them getting along (and working together) very well. Also, I was very happy to see that Marcel had more of a role in this episode altogether! I've missed him. Is he trying to drive Davina away for some reason, though? He's on mighty thin ice to be treating her like he is and not even making an effort to win her over or charm her, imo.

Edited November 25, 2014 by rue721

[driedfruit]

Though I didn't understand Finn's point about how Cami's also a good vessel because Klaus "would never hurt her." Klaus is already not trying to fuck up Esther's, or Kol's, or Finn's vessels, and I doubt he'd be trying to flat-out *kill* Rebekah anyway, right? What is Esther thinking he'd even do to Rebekah's vessel in any case? I guess it could just be a fail safe kind of plan in her eyes, but it seems like a better bet that someone would hold off on murdering his own sister than that he would hold off from murdering some random friend/crush anyway, right?

 

Maybe since Rebekah's Original body is immortal she'll just hop back into it if the vessel dies, which would be a good motive for Klaus to kill the vessel. My guess is Esther needs to white oak the empty bodies and let them burn to ash if she wants the last three Originals to truly remain mortal. This would actually make sense, given how Klaus used to body hop regularly back on TVD.

 

I also couldn't buy the bonding scenes between him and Klaus, not even because Kol and Klaus have so much water under the bridge, but because I just cannot believe for a second that those characters would ever like each other at all. Klaus is a control freak, and Kol is independent and likes being a free agent -- what relationship could they possibly have?

 

 

Really? I thought TVD made it obvious that Klaus flip-flopped between enjoying Kol's company (they were drinking buddies a couple of times, weren't they) to wanting to strangle him. Which is pretty ordinary as most people's relationships go with a younger brother, especially a rather obnoxious one. It doesn't mean they don't have anything in common. If anything, personality wise, Klaus and Kol are the most similar.

 

Also, I thought it was interesting that they brought up when Kol was killed and burnt to a crisp in the Gilbert house, because like an hour before that happened, didn't he try to straight up murder Rebekah? Kol is not a sentimental person, I highly doubt he gives much of a shit whether his family loves him or not tbh.

 

That's only after Rebekah held the dagger to his heart, and I doubt he was really going to use the stake. Seemed more like he was trying to scare her so he could avoid getting daggered and stuffed in a box. Besides, his only reason for being back in Mystic Falls was to hang out with Rebekah and help her torture the gang (that's as close to a show of love as you get with this family).

 

Edited November 25, 2014 by driedfruit

[ElectricBoogaloo]

Oh, good. Megalomaniac Klaus is back with his "if you continue to defy me" threats.

 

I loved how delighted Davina looked as soon as Josh said he was dating someone. She looked so happy for him. But as soon as she said to invite him over, I knew she was going to use it to her advantage and sneak out. Pay attention, Josh!

 

What in the hell was going on with Jackson's hair tonight? I felt like I was watching a sitcom from the 90s. All he needed was a flannel shirt. I guess the denim jacket was an acceptable substitute.

 

I like having Finn chained up only because whenever he is shown entering a scene or room, he is always hurrying like an actor who is late for his cue. I know it was cruel for Klaus to put Finn back in his coffin, but I laughed. Am I going to hell for that? Finn is truly delusional if he thinks that Esther giving up Freya means that she loves her children. Yeah, she loved them so much that she gave one of them up. Klaus is an idiot to think that he can talk Finn into trusting him instead of Esther. Finn still loves his mother A LOT. He isn't just going to join Team Klaus, especially if his only motivation is Klaus telling him things that he already knows. 

 

When Marcel told Kol, "First you messed with Davina and now you want to bring Rebekah into this," I thought he was going to bring up how Kol made him watch that macabre play when he was a kid. His only beef with Kol is screwing with the girls in his life?

 

Gawd, Phoebe Tonkin's pronunciation is driving me crazy. In addition to her usual "woof" (wolf), we now have crezzent instead of crescent.

 

When Davina relented and woke Klaus up and he said, "You need me, don't you?" I wish she had said, "I don't, but Rebekah and Cami do." Klaus, please. Davina doesn't need you.

 

I'm shocked that Klaus isn't jumping at the chance to put Rebekah in Cami's body, because then he could have sex with his sister without them actually being related.  I guess the writers don't watch their own show, because if they did, they'd have seen the ridiculously inappropriate chemistry and complete lack of boundaries between the siblings, and done everything in their power to keep Klaus's sister and love interest in separate corners.

Ha, I laughed way too much at this. It's funny because it's true!

 

I'm totally onboard with dark Elijah because I feel like he has always had so much self control and composure that if he ever snapped, he would be a complete mess. I just don't want them to make him into Ripper Stefan 2.0 because we've already been down that road before. I'd rather he become more like Angelus, delightfully evil and reveling in it.

 

I knew something was wrong with Elijah when he had stains on his cuff. Regular Elijah wouldn't stand for that. You know that old Elijah always has a spare shirt stashed somewhere just in case! Thank goodness Rebekah noticed something was wrong (even before she found all the bodies).

 

Kol is the brother I feel the most sorry for right now. He knows that Esther is just using him as a means to an end. He knows Klaus has daggered him out of pure crankiness in the past. Whatever family loyalty exists, he does not have have Elijah and Rebekah trailing after him like puppy dogs as Klaus does. He has always been portrayed as just wanting to live his life but he keeps getting dragged back into his family's schemes.

[driedfruit]

This show is great, the only weak parts for me were the werewolf storyline. I had to skip past the last few scenes, there were too many scenes and I couldn't muster a single bit of interest. 

 

Kol/Marcel/Klaus (+Davina) is a much more fun alternative to the triangle we got last season with Rebekah. Kol is such a welcome new character, his motives are always up in the air and yet I buy he is somewhat genuine about wanting to be a part of his family. Possibly even about romancing Davina. On the other hand, I don't doubt for a second that he would screw over everybody if it suited him, and if he felt like it. He has become my favorite character on the show. But I would love him 10x more if Nate was the one playing him. 

 

I'd be more pissed about Finn if I didn't know the actor is now a regular. I wonder who will free him (Klaus?) and what's next for him. 

 

I like Elijah's new plot. And I hope this means Klaus will be on his own for a while, and that he will forge a closer relationship with Finn and Kol in the long run. 

 

Davina is too much of a Mary Sue. At this rate she is going to kill Dahlia with a snap of her fingers. I couldn't roll my eyes hard enough at her getting the best of Klaus. If it's this easy to get rid of him, why hasn't he been freaking killed already by the 100s of seasoned witches he has met over the past 1000+ years? So stupid. 

 

Looks like I was right about Rebekah getting Cami's body. I guess Finn didn't like her that much if he knew, all along. 

 

I'm excited to see how the Esther/Mikael reunion will go. I want them all to sit down for a family dinner for the holidays, is that too much to ask?

[rue721]

I thought TVD made it obvious that Klaus flip-flopped between enjoying Kol's company (they were drinking buddies a couple of times, weren't they) to wanting to strangle him. Which is pretty ordinary as most people's relationships go with a younger brother, especially a rather obnoxious one. It doesn't mean they don't have anything in common. If anything, personality wise, Klaus and Kol are the most similar.

 

I believe the "bonding" on Klaus's part, he's a sap for his family. Also, he was tugging his own heartstrings in that conversation with Kol, he basically attributed all his own fears/insecurities to his brother. How it looked to me was that Klaus was going on about how Kol must feel lonely and unloved, identified with "Kol's" feelings and got all verklempt, Kol played that out by not flat out telling Klaus that it wasn't true and getting *slightly* teary-eyed, and Klaus totally crumbled. That seems plausible to me, though. If Klaus had that conversation with *Mikael* (heh) I think there would be a chance he'd crumble.

 

Like Marcel said, though, Kol always has an angle (he was *very* quick when he had to protect himself from Mikael, for example), and Klaus dropped that particular opportunity right in Kol's lap. I think Kol saw a chance to get out of the hot seat when Klaus got weepy about ~family~ and took it. I don't believe that Kol really feels the way that Klaus was trying to attribute to him. Not in general, and definitely not for Klaus in particular, who threatened him with endless torture *that day* and who he clearly has a grudge against (for the daggerings, at the least). *After* the ostensible bonding between them, when Klaus was lying dead/comatose, Kol said they should wake him because they could use "the bastard." A few episodes back, when he saw Klaus for the first time after coming back to life, he made a bunch of dog jokes about him, too. Afaik, the only other person who talks at all like that (aside from Klaus, lol) is Mikael. Even Davina didn't go there in this episode when she was trying to get Klaus to bite her and was using Mikael's words to goad him.

 

(I noticed this because it always turns my stomach when Mikael talks about Klaus like he's an animal or calls him things like "cur," and it really bothered me when Kol did that, too. It's not about this show/characters in particular, I just always associate that kind of "comparison" with hate speech irl, and even in a totally different/fictional context like this, I find it revolting. Things like comparing people to beasts or dogs on the show always sounds to me like a censored/"teen drama" euphemism for slurs. Same thing when Mikael talks about things like "erasing" people, imo it's pretty clear what real life associations that's supposed to bring up. This isn't a complaint, I think the show does a good job suggesting very ugly things without getting too ugly itself, and like that it has such a light touch. But yeah, I'm not that likely to forget when a character starts making dog jokes, lol).

 

Anyway, Kol has talked a lot (esp to Davina) about how his family are a bunch of lunatics and about his resentments against various members, but I don't think I've really heard him talk about them with any love since he's been back as a witch. Just contempt, resentment, anger, etc. He especially seems to hate Esther and Klaus, so I would actually expect him to play them off each other, which imo is what he looks to be doing now.

 

That's only after Rebekah held the dagger to his heart, and I doubt he was really going to use the stake. Seemed more like he was trying to scare her so he could avoid getting daggered and stuffed in a box. Besides, his only reason for being back in Mystic Falls was to hang out with Rebekah and help her torture the gang (that's as close to a show of love as you get with this family).

 

YMMV, but I thought he really was trying to murder her. How I saw it was that he wanted to stop Silas from rising and when she threatened to stop him with the dagger, he didn't even think twice about killing her.

 

Kol comes off to me like a legit sociopath. He lied to his mother and Davina without blinking, each time he's been in danger he's just calmly cut a deal and been completely practical, he waved off 1000 years of mass murder to Davina as "youthful indiscretions" and seemed to feel absolutely no remorse, he's been very successful worming his way into Davina's affections and did a pretty amazing job of turning around his circumstances in this episode, he doesn't seem to miss any of the vampires he'd sired who died when he was staked or really anyone in particular at all. It's smaller stuff, too, like how he was having fun terrorizing kid!Marcel with that Shakespeare play whereas his brothers enjoyed actually nurturing/teaching Marcel or how he enjoyed toying with Matt similarly in front of Rebekah back on TVD. He just doesn't seem to me like he gives a single fuck. I think Kol does what's convenient for Kol. That's not to say I dislike him, I actually enjoy him being on the show a lot, he's funny and clever. I just don't think he can be trusted for a second and I also just don't believe that he ultimately gives a shit about any of the Mikaelsons or really anyone except himself.

 

I don't think Klaus is a sociopath, I think he's just crazy.

 

He's mellowed out a lot this season, though (too much for my taste, frankly). Tbh, Hope has had such a ridiculously positive influence on basically her entire family and particularly on Klaus, that I do sort of wonder whether she's long for this world. Oh jeez, thinking about it, Elijah better not burp the baby, it could become a bloodbath.

 

ETA:

 

Maybe since Rebekah's Original body is immortal she'll just hop back into it if the vessel dies, which would be a good motive for Klaus to kill the vessel. My guess is Esther needs to white oak the empty bodies and let them burn to ash if she wants the last three Originals to truly remain mortal. This would actually make sense, given how Klaus used to body hop regularly back on TVD.

 

Good call. Tbh what I would be worried about, if I were Esther, is putting Rebekah into Cami, staking/burning Rebekah's Original body, and then having someone turn Cami. Since, once Cami is killed and goes into transition, what happens to Rebekah? She's floating around in the ether? Or, if Rebekah would pop into another body automatically, whose body?

Edited November 25, 2014 by rue721

[Kaboom 2.0]

Not cool, Klaus, shoving Finn back in the box while still in chains. I doubt Finn will ever truly turn on his mother but I still love that Kol will always roll with the punches, cut deals, tell someone what they want to hear, anything to get his way and get out of whatever scrape he's currently in. I heart that little troublemaker SO much.

 

Cheers to Rebekah for noticing Elijah's coffee stain. On anyone else a coffee stain is a meh, an oops. On the fastidious, elegant Elijah, a coffee stain is DEFCON1. Their little family reunion was so cute though.

 

Josh and Aiden, how I heart you two. Davina vs Klaus was fantastic. I don't think the show is positioning her to be the strongest witch evah unless she somehow absorbs power from another quite-strong witch currently on the show. Or that witch's sister. Hm.

 

Although I LOL'd at the quote above about the possibility of Rebekah in Cami's body being the show's excuse for finally having Klaus and Rebekah "to there," please, for the love of Jebus, do NOT put Rebekah in Cami's body. PLEASE. LP Is not that good an actress imho to portray Rebekah. I would prefer Esther body jumping into Cami's body and having Klaus struggle not to kill his mother.

 

The current wolves, er, woofs SL? Meh. I'm just hoping Aiden doesn't get killed when something inevitably goes wrong.

[driedfruit]

Kol comes off to me like a legit sociopath. He lied to his mother and Davina without blinking, each time he's been in danger he's just calmly cut a deal and been completely practical, he waved off 1000 years of mass murder to Davina as "youthful indiscretions" and seemed to feel absolutely no remorse, he's been very successful worming his way into Davina's affections and did a pretty amazing job of turning around his circumstances in this episode, he doesn't seem to miss any of the vampires he'd sired who died when he was staked or really anyone in particular at all. It's smaller stuff, too, like how he was having fun terrorizing kid!Marcel with that Shakespeare play whereas his brothers enjoyed actually nurturing/teaching Marcel or how he enjoyed toying with Matt similarly in front of Rebekah back on TVD.

 

I don't agree that Kol is that black or white, or that he can be diagnosed with a human psychiatric condition. Sure he's impulsive and cruel and delights in killing humans, but so does Klaus and every other vampire in TVD verse save for a few. When has Rebekah ever shown remorse for her kills? Or Klaus? Or Marcel? And I've yet to see vamps care much about their sire lines (even Finn has completely forgotten the so called love of his life). And Kol's manipulation is a family trait. Which one of them isn't? As a mortal now, Kol's situation's got a lot harder and he's been using his brain extra hard these days. He reminds me of Katherine Pierce more than anyone, who definitely wasn't a completely emotionally deficit psycho. 

 

And I'd also disagree about his motives regarding young Marcel. The Hamlet play was more reckless and a sign of how utterly desensitized he was to violence than anything. He seemed surprised when Elijah objected because in Kol's mind they were having a good time. If he really wanted to scare Marcel there were more direct and effectively terrifying ways of doing it. 

 

While I don't think Kol has warm and cuddly feelings towards his family, it does seem like he has had a soft spot for Rebekah and he does seem weirdly attached them despite his assertion for independence. Otherwise why come back to Mystic Falls to hang out with his sister? Or why stand up to Klaus when he was tearing into her? And why help Klaus spy on Jeremy and do his dirty work with Elena and Demon that time in Boston? 

 

 

I don't think the show is positioning her to be the strongest witch evah unless she somehow absorbs power from another quite-strong witch currently on the show. Or that witch's sister.

 

Lame. But I wouldn't put it past the show since with no Bonnie around Davina's gonna have to pick up the slack quick fixes for everything. Her endless supply of magic potions is the first step. 

[Gwen-Stacys]

Lame. But I wouldn't put it past the show since with no Bonnie around Davina's gonna have to pick up the slack quick fixes for everything. Her endless supply of magic potions is the first step. 

I would agree, accept she doesn't always get a spell right. They've shown her praticing spells multiple times before getting them right. I think she's just a Hermione Granger type who doesn't mind studying and actually likes working hard. Not to mention, she has a goal in mind: taking Klaus  out without taking Josh and Marcel with him. And, unlike Bonnie who never really got a complete handle on her magic, she's been a practicing witch her entire life. She's more on the level of Luke and Liv who can stop cars with the raise of a hand....but she studies and has access to rare magical items/books as well as Kol who's teaching her new things.

 

Oh my word, I can't say enough how much better this show is than TVD! Mainly because they don't forget that their characters have family and loved ones outside of the people they screw. With how old they are, the Originals has the potention to go on Young and the Restless or All My Children  years. There's so much story to be told with them and their family relationships so complex and twisted, yet you can see the warmth there. You can see the love they have (or had) for each other.

[bluebonnet]

For some reason, the CW broadcasts so terribly in my area.  It's super annoying.  Grr.

 

I really loved this episode.  It says a lot about this show that one (major) plot line and character can be so horrible yet the show is still so amazing and enjoyable.  The only plot this week that I could do without was the wolf stuff.  I thought I liked it, but after watching online with a better picture, I realized it was really sort of bad. Hayley really is not good for this part.  There's the accent thing, not the way she pronounces certain words (I'm from the south and our wolf often sounds like woof), but that it's inconsistent.  It's getting more and more noticeable, as though she can't even be bothered to try.  The other thing driving me crazy about Hayley is just the way she moves.  She swings her arms and shoulders in this weird hulking way that looks absurd and her gait has become so affected.  It's becoming comical and I'm not liking it.  I'm also growing tired of her lack of chemistry with other members of the cast.  

 

I also feel like there are too many holes in the werewolves background.  How did these particular wolves grow up hearing all about the myths and legends of their clan when these particular wolves were in wolf bodies for nearly all of their lives?  Not only in wolf bodies but deep in hiding.  I think maybe the annoyances I have with the werewolves in general is making it harder to suspend disbelief as easily as I can with other plots.  

 

The sibling dynamic is just so fascinating.  I love it.  I cackled with glee when it was revealed that Cami was to be a vessel for Rebekah.  The writers always tease this completely inappropriate brother/sister relationship and though I know some might find the idea reprehensible, I really like how much more disturbingly entertaining it makes the Mikaelson family.  They have the worst boundaries ever, lol.  

 

Love Davina.  She's so spunky and caring, yet not offering up her life at the drop of a hat like Bonnie does.  

[rue721]

I think maybe Klaus pulled an Esther on how he chose to deal with Finn and Kol? Esther imprisoned her elder son (Elijah) so that he'd be tortured by his memories, and she dangled the chance of a loving family in front of her younger son (Klaus). Klaus imprisoned Finn in the coffin where he'd be tortured by remembering that he'd spent 900 years in there, and he dangled the chance of a loving family in front of Kol. I don't think that those tactics are going to work even as well on Finn and Kol as they did on Elijah and Klaus, though.

 

Not that I think that Klaus was trying to pull an Esther. In reality, I seriously think it was as basic and stupid as:  Finn told Klaus something that he didn't want to hear (that their family has a curse on its firstborns), so Finn got tortured/punished. Kol told/implied to Klaus something that he did want to hear (that he wants to be bff/brothers), so Kol got all smiles and rewarded with an invite to join the party.

 

I don't agree that Kol is that black or white, or that he can be diagnosed with a human psychiatric condition.

 

Yeah, I don't mean a sociopath as an actual diagnosis, because what do I know about that. But I mean a sociopath in that he comes off to me like a cold-blooded mofo and he is not somebody I would be trusting out of sentiment, I can tell you. I'm sorry but I do not see one ounce of love from him toward his family. *Definitely* and specifically not toward Klaus, who I think is being a sentimental fool and really botched the job by welcoming Kol with open arms and driving Finn away, imo the exact opposite of what he should have done. I would not leave anything or anyone vulnerable or that I cared about with Kol for ten seconds, from what I've seen he delights primarily in tormenting others. Unless given a mechanistic reason not to, I think he would play with anyone he could until they broke and then he'd toss them aside and forget them, like an old toy. That's what he did to Matt as soon as Rebekah told him she liked him, and that was what he tried to do to Marcel, and that's what his massacres look like to me. But YMMV, that's going to be based on individual perception and interpretation anyway.

 

I agree that the other characters are more or less horrible people, but they all seem to have real feelings and people they genuinely care about. Kol seems to me like he doesn't. I don't dislike the character, I enjoy him on the show, I like that he's there and I hope they keep him around. I just do not believe for a *second* that that "bonding moment" with Klaus was real, or that he's genuinely "crushing" on Davina, or that he's their ally for any longer than it's personally convenient for him to be.

 

Tbh, he's somebody I think Team Monster should be lulling into thinking he's in good with them, and then trying to plant with false information, knowing that he will try to "sell" that information to either Esther or Mikael (i.e., use it as leverage in a deal with one or both of them), and that way he can hopefully at least be useful in confusing the enemy. They should damn sure not trust him with anything more important or delicate than that, imo (god forbid he finds out that Hope's alive). I always think that kind of game-playing would be fun for the show to do, though, since they have such a large cast and everyone in it is always trying to play politics, but the show never goes that route. Not a complaint, the show's writers are fantastic, so I usually prefer their choices anyway, lol. Plus, I don't know who would even do something like that out of this particular group. Maybe Marcel?

[driedfruit]

But I mean a sociopath in that he comes off to me like a cold-blooded mofo and he is not somebody I would be trusting out of sentiment, I can tell you. I'm sorry but I do not see one ounce of love from him toward his family. *Definitely* and specifically not toward Klaus, who I think is being a sentimental fool

 

I agree with you on Kol not being one that should be trusted. But your point about his relationship with his family simply doesn't jive with what I've seen. At the very least we know that he is very drawn to his siblings, enough to run back to them every time even despite his independent nature and the fact that Klaus can dagger him whenever he likes. If anything, Kol seemed less inclined to stay away from Klaus/Rebekah on TVD than Finn and even Elijah.

 

And Kol had a 1000 years to get rid of Klaus, which would've been in his best interest, yet the furthest he intended to go was to dagger him. He never even tried running off on his own without telling anyone.

 

I also don't think Klaus is an idiot when it comes to Kol. He reads his family rather well and realizes that Kol isn't  trustworthy. It seemed to me like Klaus was sincere about redeeming their relationship over the long run and to go on from there, not that he was jumping in to trust him with things like Hope. And I didn't doubt Kol wanting acceptance from Klaus on some level. His resentment over being left out was pretty evident on TVD with him being livid over how fast Rebekah moved on from his death. Besides, that exchange was tense and awkward, and Kol is rarely awkward when he's playing. Of course he's bound to betray Klaus on a whim at any moment, but that doesn't mean their relationship is non-existent from Kol's end.

 

 

I think she's just a Hermione Granger type who doesn't mind studying and actually likes working hard. Not to mention, she has a goal in mind: taking Klaus  out without taking Josh and Marcel with him.

 

This comparison would ring truer if Hermione took out Voldemort on her own in the Order of Phoenix  by brewing some super special magic potion. But no, Hermione's rise in intelligence and ability was gradual, and done with restraint. She thought of clever things and fixed a lot of problems, but she never came close to single-handedly destroying an immortal monster with a quickie brew. 

 

Davina might not have Bonnie's self-sacrificing, but that just means she's a plot device with a smug attitude. She's more fun than Bonnie, but her snowflake powers cheapen the plot.

Edited November 26, 2014 by driedfruit

[GraceAnne]

Can we start a petition to have at least one family dinner scene every episode?

Heck maybe a new show, " Meals with the Mikaelson"- I would watch the hell out of that show! 

 

While I'm enjoying the "new" Kol, the actor seems so much younger than Nate Buzolic.  I can't seem to correlate the Kol I knew on TVD with the "new" character. It will be interesting to see if the show decides to go back to NB now that his pilot wasn't picked up. It does seem The CW has taking a liking to the actor with the web series.

 

Marcel was awesome this episode!  I enjoy his.. friendship (?)... with Klaus.

 

If I could bother to get interested in the Wolf storyline I would complain about PT pronunciation of every other word or how Jackson's hair is so large it becomes distracting as I try and decide if it's a wig and if so what decade is it from..... unfortunately I have taken to fast forwarding through all those scenes. FYI- the hair is still distracting on FF.

 

 

Of course Cami's gonna get Rebekah in her body. I don't think Leah Pipes is great enough to embody Rebekah, though. Leah's not the worst actress, but she's not Claire Holt good. I'd rather Esther accidentally jump into Cami's body. I think Cami being Esther would still suck, but be better than Rebekah. But I guess if Marcel/Rebekah is still a think, and Marcel/Cami is too....

I'm really perplexed by this development, I mean if it actually comes to fruition.

Let's take out the creepy incest vibe and just deal with the practicalities here- IMO Leah Pipes is not a good enough actress to imitate Claire Holt's character. I barely can stand watching her scenes now, I can't imagine her taking over the role of an actor/character I enjoy is going to help.  I also think I'm not alone in this opinion, so I'm not sure how they think this would be a popular storyline. 

Oh also.... Someone has to save Cami again..... GREAT!

 

 

I actually found Klaus to be an absolute delight tonight. While he's maddening at times, in the hands of a lesser actor actor he could be nothing more than a caricature. Joseph Morgan gives him so much dimension.

I could not agree more, I loved him in every scene! Although, to be fair, he could probably read me the phone book and I would be entertained.

 

 

I agree, that was horrible! My heart broke for Finn, I don't think he deserves that. His loyalty to Esther might be misguided, but it comes from a good place, and COME ON she's his mother. I don't even understand what Klaus expects him to do, Finn's not going to suddenly not love her because his brother told him she sucks. Also, Finn not just telling Klaus he'd go along with Team Monster and then double-cross them, or just betray Esther without much of a struggle, makes it seem like he has more integrity than most of the family, tbh. He'd probably be a good asset, but too bad Klaus is *the worst* at recruitment, apparently. What's even the point of trying to scare him by confirming that Klaus/Team Monster is really as horrible and untrustworthy as he'd thought? Isn't that going to send him right into Esther's arms? (Oh, and btw -- so happy about the actor becoming a regular! He's fantastic and has really transformed the character imo).

This!

While I loved the Finn and Klaus scenes, the actors just sold it, I kept thinking, "Dude, you had him in a box for 900 years, basically because you thought he was a buzz kill.  I wouldn't even pass the salt if I was him!"

This being one of the reasons I loved Finn's line about " has loyalty to you ( Klaus) ever been rewarded?"  So so true my coffin living friend!

Edited November 26, 2014 by GraceAnne

[lion10]

Despite peeping on her kids from the otherside, Esther seems to have no idea about her children's psychosexual fucked upness. Does it really make sense putting Rebekah into the body of a woman both Klaus and Finn are attracted to? Klaus has had the sketchiest boundaries with Rebekah for a thousand years.

 

I wonder if the writers intentionally have their relationship like that or is it just chemistry between Claire Holt and Joseph Morgan?  They remind me a bit of Justin and Alex from Wizards of Waverly Place with all of their inappropriate chemistry.

[RachelKM]

OMG, Davina's fixation on Klaus is tedious.  I love that she continues to hate him in that people are constantly just letting the crap he does go and moving on.  I like that she doesn't have any interest in just being all "bygones" over Klaus killing the boy she loved.  But the myopia with which she pursues him, using Michael, being indifferent to others' plans and how she might affect them, and her getting petulant that Marcel is not on board with her "Must get Klaus" plan, is annoying. I just have to remember she is a teenager and being a myopic brat is sort of her thing.  For instance, I was all "The Fuck?"  when she told Marcel that he didn't know Kaleb the way she did - Bitch, he knows ALL of the originals better than you can hope to.  But then I was all, "Oh yeah, teenager with a crush."

 

Unfortunately, thinking of Davina as a teenager and being a smug asshole about her competence and assured-ness that her plan is the BEST is somewhat problematic for any hope of a Kaleb/Davina ship.  It's weird enough to see adult Millennials involved with people who have actually lived for a millennia,  but it's so much worse with a 15 year old.  At least Cami is an adult, a relatively young one and still a ridiculous match for an original and maybe even Marcel but an adult nonetheless.

 

In other news, HOLY SHIT Elijah!  I had a feeling Esther's messing with his head was leading to Elijah having issues and likely problems with control, but damn.  I did not expect him to go full on ripper.

[Timetoread]

For instance, I was all "The Fuck?"  when she told Marcel that he didn't know Kaleb the way she did - Bitch, he knows ALL of the originals better than you can hope to.  But then I was all, "Oh yeah, teenager with a crush."

 

LOL!  I was thinking the same thing.  I was like, Davina, have you forgotten that for all intents and purposes Marcel is Klaus' son.  It is a very big reason that YOU are still alive - because Klaus knows what you mean to Marcel.  At the same time, it also means that for all intents and purposes, ALL of the originals are like family to Marcel - so yeah, he knows Kol a bit better than you do.  Kudos to the show for those being the next words out of Marcel's mouth.

 

I agree with you, I have been squicked for a while, starting with TVD, over these old vamps with their interests in teenagers.  One thing that I do love about this show is that Marcel doesn't ever look at Davina and see "beautiful woman", he sees a  beautiful CHILD.  Regardless of what tv teaches nowadays, 15 is still a child and you still need supervision.  Marcel is a good dad.

[rue721]

If all the Mikaelson siblings comply with Esther's plan, would that mean that Dahlia would no longer go after Hope? Would that count as them all "dying"? Or do they have to be dead-dead and not just body-hopped-dead?

 

If they are worried that complying with Esther's plan will kill the other vampires in their sire lines, like Marcel (or possibly even Hope?! I don't think she's in Klaus's sire line, but she apparently inherited vampirism from him, so who even knows), then they could just follow through on Davina's de-linking spell idea beforehand. I doubt Esther would be down for that, but they could keep it from her.

 

Hayley would probably still have to stay a hybrid, however, if she wants her pack to keep the hybrid characteristics that she's trying to give them through her marriage. Though, the marriage only has to be through death, right? First off, I don't get that because Hayley's technically already dead. Second off, I don't know if her body hopping would count as her "dying"? Anyway, that doesn't matter w/r/t Dahlia's curse on Esther's descendents anyway -- Hayley shouldn't be a part of that, I wouldn't think, she didn't even marry into the family or anything.

 

Not that I think that Klaus or Elijah are going to be body hopping for *any* length of time, just for the meta reason of those actors being basically the mainstays of the show, but I think that Rebekah and even Hayley might get recast at (least temporarily) through a body-hop. Thinking about it, though, maybe Elijah could get body-hopped for a while, though, too, if DG has to do more Saving Hope filming? That would be ridiculous, though, to have basically everyone recast for a while. I hope that doesn't happen!