Current Plots Discussion: Actually Today's Episode

[Sandman]

12 hours ago, methodwriter85 said:

My heart broke for Kayla today and the actor who plays Joey is terrible.  Mary Beth was sublime in her scenes outside of the pub and the actor was just there.

I thought that, within his established limits, Lastovic actually did better with that scene than he has in some time. The writing is still terrible, and destructive to Kayla's character, in my view -- Joey was entirely correct: Kayla was engaging emotional blackmail ("You can't go to prison because I won't be able to take it" is not a sentence that puts her child's welfare at the centre of a mother's concerns.). She also treats Joey as if he's a child, telling him that she and his dad are just fine, and everything will be just fine as long as he stays at home. Mary Beth Evans did her best with it, but this material is grossly manipulative -- not least to arrange things so that Steve looks like the mature, responsible parent, and Poor Kayla is a self-indulgently emotional vortex. Ucch. Finally, finally, when she actually listened to her son, Kayla began to act like the rational person we know she is. I don't need to watch this storyline if the ultimately result is to break Steve and Kayla up by turning Kayla into an overwrought squealer. She's never been that way before.

[Apprentice79]

2 hours ago, Sandman said:

I thought that, within his established limits, Lastovic actually did better with that scene than he has in some time. The writing is still terrible, and destructive to Kayla's character, in my view -- Joey was entirely correct: Kayla was engaging emotional blackmail ("You can't go to prison because I won't be able to take it" is not a sentence that puts her child's welfare at the centre of a mother's concerns.). She also treats Joey as if he's a child, telling him that she and his dad are just fine, and everything will be just fine as long as he stays at home. Mary Beth Evans did her best with it, but this material is grossly manipulative -- not least to arrange things so that Steve looks like the mature, responsible parent, and Poor Kayla is a self-indulgently emotional vortex. Ucch. Finally, finally, when she actually listened to her son, Kayla began to act like the rational person we know she is. I don't need to watch this storyline if the ultimately result is to break Steve and Kayla up by turning Kayla into an overwrought squealer. She's never been that way before.

I think that Kayla was desperate for her son and once again, that vile Ava is taking somebody away from her. First her dad and now her miracle baby, Joey.. Plus, she knows her son would be easy pickings for the predators in jail.  I also sense that Kayla is a bit resentful of Steve, once again somebody that is connected to him has wreaked havoc in her life. This story should never have been done.  Josh Griffith did a hatchet job on Joey, by, turning him into a murderer..

Edited August 17, 2017 by Apprentice79

[Sandman]

Not that I disagree that the Ava character is awful, but putting the blame on the murder victim for "taking away" the murderous perpetrator might be putting the cart before the horse, in terms of responsibility. Ava did many destructive, harmful things to Kayla and her entire family. But Ava didn't frame Joey for her murder, nor did she force him to kill her. Joey may have been a miracle baby, but he's no child -- he's (or was going to be) a father himself. Joey is responsible for his own actions. His parents need to recognize that. As the medical professional in the family, Kayla also ought to be the last one who needs any convincing that taking responsibility for his actions, good and bad, is part of what her son needs to be psychologically healthy.

[Silver Raven]

40 minutes ago, Sandman said:

Ava didn't frame Joey for her murder

No, she framed Kayla for her overdose.

It's funny that Bonnie and Hattie just tolerate Anjelica.

Nicole always wears the most outlandish outfits.

I wouldn't mind a Lucas and Chloe repairing.

Fuck you, Brady.

How does Bonnie know Lucas is an alcoholic?

Heh, I knew that dream sequence had to be coming from Bonnie.  :)

Dammit, Lucas.

[teacake]

I don't disagree that Joey is responsible for what he did.  But I do think Ava's antagonism and targeting the family counts for something, and it should add a layer of tragedy to the story that has not been used very well.  The story has become all about getting justice for her, when she never saw justice for anything she did to them, and her goal of ripping them apart, destroying lives, and making them suffer has come true.  Tripp still hasn't had to face and accept what she did to these people.  Him throwing the lie that Steve left Kayla for Ava in Kayla's face has gone totally unanswered (so far).  I think wherever she is, she would be smiling.

The show's fixation on healing by going to prison feels kind of unrealistic to me.  Maybe even irresponsible?  It's good to take responsibility, but weird to act like people often come out of prison in a better place than when they went in.  If this show had any connection to reality, then Kayla is right to mourn Joey's future and he's wrong to imagine that he can pick it up on the other side of a prison term for murder.

I saw some lightness in Lastovic that I hadn't seen for a while, and enjoyed his scenes with Kayla.  The group scenes were not as good, and Lucas Adams looks lost at what to do with the material.

Edited August 17, 2017 by lska

[Star Aristille]

2 hours ago, Sandman said:

Not that I disagree that the Ava character is awful, but putting the blame on the murder victim for "taking away" the murderous perpetrator might be putting the cart before the horse, in terms of responsibility. Ava did many destructive, harmful things to Kayla and her entire family. But Ava didn't frame Joey for her murder, nor did she force him to kill her. Joey may have been a miracle baby, but he's no child -- he's (or was going to be) a father himself. Joey is responsible for his own actions. His parents need to recognize that. As the medical professional in the family, Kayla also ought to be the last one who needs any convincing that taking responsibility for his actions, good and bad, is part of what her son needs to be psychologically healthy.

Steve does know and recognize that.  Until yesterday, it was Kayla who refused to know or recognize it.

[teacake]

5 minutes ago, Star Aristille said:

Steve does know and recognize that.  Until yesterday, it was Kayla who refused to know or recognize it.

Steve recognized that about five minutes ago, though.  Until then, he was the one telling Joey to let him shoulder the guilt, and he was the one who initiated the entire cover up.  For some reason, the writers only decided to make drama out of Kayla needing to accept it, and not Steve.

Edited August 17, 2017 by lska

[DisneyBoy]

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The show's fixation on healing by going to prison feels kind of unrealistic to me.  Maybe even irresponsible?  It's good to take responsibility, but weird to act like people often come out of prison in a better place than when they went in.  If this show had any connection to reality, then Kayla is right to mourn Joey's future and he's wrong to imagine that he can pick it up on the other side of a prison term for murder.

Amen. And the show is so wildly inconsistent about it. Hope shot someone in cold blood but we're supposed to feel badly for her, like she's been injustly imprisoned and deserves to be set free and deserves to have a magical get-out-of-jail-free card in the form of Stefano's millionth resurrection... But Eric should spend months of his life behind bars?

I get that this is fiction and the show is free to take liberties, I just wish they would find a way to do it that had some form of internal logic.

I don't believe for a second that Joey will survive jail. And it makes me very very sad that Kayla, a character I barely know but really enjoy, has to live with knowing some psychotic woman has saddled her with her son who wants her dead or wanted her dead while also in the process taking away her first born.

 

Is it safe to say that Ava is worse than Kristen at this point? I mean I love Kristen in spite of all of her heinous crimes...but it seems like Ava has done just as much if not worse in a shorter period of time.

[Frozendiva]

Joey wouldn't do well in prison. He'd be beaten, attacked, and worse.  Prison really isn't a fix. Right now he is in a prison of his own making. Get out, and get an education and do some real community service. Prison doesn't change a lot of people. Also gives you a record which makes getting a job difficult, travelling difficult, etc.

Wouldn't the Salem Inn ask Mrs. Kiriakis to sign for stuff ordered?

So, Hattie has made the move on Mr. Roman. Surely he would have some idea of how his ex-wife made the moves on him.  He can't figure out that she seems 'off'? Trick her with something about the kids. Anything.

Brady, you are lucky to have Uncle Victor covering for you falling off the wagon.

Adrienne, all you really need to do is go to the prison doctor and show him or her your surgery scars and reconstruction.

Nicole, watch it with Brady. He is giving you some red flags. Pay attention to them. He and his actions/jealousy are what you are facing. Beware.

[Silver Raven]

5 minutes ago, Frozendiva said:

Wouldn't the Salem Inn ask Mrs. Kiriakis to sign for stuff ordered?

Aren't they in the Martin House?

[Frozendiva]

16 minutes ago, Silver Raven said:

Aren't they in the Martin House?

Thought it was a hotel - with the porn channels being available and room service. The Salem Inn and Martin House are probably one and the same.

[Silver Raven]

3 minutes ago, Frozendiva said:

Thought it was a hotel - with the porn channels being available and room service. The Salem Inn and Martin House are probably one and the same.

True.

[Apprentice79]

1 hour ago, DisneyBoy said:

Amen. And the show is so wildly inconsistent about it. Hope shot someone in cold blood but we're supposed to feel badly for her, like she's been injustly imprisoned and deserves to be set free and deserves to have a magical get-out-of-jail-free card in the form of Stefano's millionth resurrection... But Eric should spend months of his life behind bars?

I get that this is fiction and the show is free to take liberties, I just wish they would find a way to do it that had some form of internal logic.

I don't believe for a second that Joey will survive jail. And it makes me very very sad that Kayla, a character I barely know but really enjoy, has to live with knowing some psychotic woman has saddled her with her son who wants her dead or wanted her dead while also in the process taking away her first born.

 

Is it safe to say that Ava is worse than Kristen at this point? I mean I love Kristen in spite of all of her heinous crimes...but it seems like Ava has done just as much if not worse in a shorter period of time.

Stefanie is Kayla's firstborn, Joey is her second child..

[DisneyBoy]

Whoops! Again, I don't know their history well...

After getting a little intrigued by the idea of Roman getting another chance to explore his possible lingering feelings for Doc, boy do I feel stupid. The show is clearly only going to play this up for laughs. That kiss was a little strange, what with Deidre basically blocking the camera from seeing whatever she was doing to Josh.

Should we be grateful?

[Apprentice79]

12 minutes ago, DisneyBoy said:

Whoops! Again, I don't know their history well...

After getting a little intrigued by the idea of Roman getting another chance to explore his possible lingering feelings for Doc, boy do I feel stupid. The show is clearly only going to play this up for laughs. That kiss was a little strange, what with Deidre basically blocking the camera from seeing whatever she was doing to Josh.

Should we be grateful?

Yes, we should be grateful.. Deidre does not have chemistry with fauxman, had it been Wayne as Roman, hell yeah.. I will never forget the scene of Marlena giving Roman a handjob at that restaurant..lol Who knew that Marlena could be a freak...

[Star Aristille]

2 hours ago, Apprentice79 said:

I will never forget the scene of Marlena giving Roman a handjob at that restaurant..lol Who knew that Marlena could be a freak...

When did that happen?!

[Apprentice79]

42 minutes ago, Star Aristille said:

When did that happen?!

It was during the time that Roman and Marlena came back from the dead respectively and the triangle with John was about to start or in the midst of it.

[Star Aristille]

5 minutes ago, Apprentice79 said:

It was during the time that Roman and Marlena came back from the dead respectively and the triangle with John was about to start or in the midst of it.

Clip or something?

[Apprentice79]

18 minutes ago, Star Aristille said:

Clip or something?

You would have to look it up on youtube, if it is still there. They have been purging videos of Days off of it.  Look up the John/Marlena/Roman triangle. Isabella was dead and Kate in the form of the wonderful Deborah Adair was there..

Edited August 18, 2017 by Apprentice79

[DisneyBoy]

Was today Roman's birthday or something? He got more action today than he's had in the last 5 years combined!

I did not see that kiss from Kate coming. Felt extremely random, but kudos to the actors for pulling it off a little bit. I'm guessing Kate kissed him to be sympathetic towards him...? It still seems a little out of character for Kate. I mean she does know he just got kissed by Marlena right?

And then we have Eric admitting he's still in love with Nicole! Yay! But at the same time that feels a little fast for me. I guess I just would have liked them to take their time getting to the point where he's admitting it. Why would he admit this to Chloe of all people? This also seems like a lousy time to start telling anybody he's in love with Nicole if both he and Nicole know Brady already thinks they're having an affair...

Loved Nicole's attitude towards Brady and his idiotic accusations. I was really hoping she would just look him over and say that after the way Deimos treated her, she can't be in another relationship with someone who's jealous and toxic. I'm crossing my fingers that she dumps him so they can both start acting like themselves again.

I can roll with this idea that Abigail relates to Andre because they're both trying to get through the stigma of being considered mentally ill. If they had been writing from that angle from the beginning, I could almost understand why Abigail would trust Andre to help her flee Salem.

Tell me, did Abigail ever cross paths with Andre back when he was a serial killer?

I still think it was that waiter who killed Deimos. This entire murder mystery is kind of pointless considering we don't miss the person who's dead and every character is getting a very flimsy reason to believe themselves to be the murderer. Chad shouldn't have even been arrested and neither should have Sonny, so I can't particularly cheer that they're finally out of jail. They never should have been there in the first place without evidence.

I wish Drake was playing these scenes with a lot more Melancholy and regret. If they're going to have the character just sort of sadly except that Marlena has ended their relationship, shouldn't he look like he's utterly devastated? I'm not sure if Drake is playing this a little less intensely because the whole story line is supposed to be a bit of a lark, or if he himself is disengaged from the material...

I would think, if they are trying to conceal the fact that Chloe is pregnant, that this would be the one time they wouldn't put Nadia in a tight fitting dress. Having her go around with a sort of mini trench coat tied around the waist would have probably easily hid that bump. Right now it's totally on display and you can easily see Nadia trying to swing her purse in front of it.

Where they chem testing Chloe and Eric? I didn't think so at first, but then Eric kept smiling so much.

Edited August 18, 2017 by DisneyBoy

[Star Aristille]

5 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

I can roll with this idea that Abigail relates to Andre because they're both trying to get through the stigma of being considered mentally ill. If they had been writing from that angle from the beginning, I could almost understand why Abigail would trust Andre to help her flee Salem.

Tell me, did Abigail ever cross paths with Andre back when he was a serial killer?

No, she never did.  So she had no way of knowing about that past of his directly.  But I'm sure she was told by various members of the Bradys and Hortons.

While we're on Andre, his barb-throwing at Julie was much appreciated, if only for two reasons: a.) people are still allowed to hate him and remember his past in Salem, and b.) we're allowed to be reminded that Julie can be greatly hypocritical at times.

5 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

Loved Nicole's attitude towards Brady and his idiotic accusations. I was really hoping she would just look him over and say that after the way Deimos treated her, she can't be in another relationship with someone who's jealous and toxic. I'm crossing my fingers that she dumps him so they can both start acting like themselves again.

Same here.  Let's face it.  Brady shouldn't be with any woman until he gets over these issues of paranoia and insecurity that he has.  Granted, he has reasons for having them, but he needs to work through them on his own before he really gets into another relationship.

That said, I am actually proud of him for being honest with Nicole about his suspicions of Eric killing Deimos, although I don't believe he did for a second, but finding the amulet is kind of damning reason for him to think that he did.  I think that final shot of Nicole holding the amulet indicates that she did, and that Eric might've been helping her cover it up.

5 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

Where they chem testing Chloe and Eric? I didn't think so at first, but then Eric kept smiling so much.

I could get with this.  Greg and Nadia had a good, easy chemistry in those scenes and might work well together.

Speaking of chemistry tests, are they considering restarting Roman and Kate?  If nothing else, it'd give Roman (and Josh) something else to do.  Especially with Andre's rather ominous look of jealousy at the end of today's episode.  I could definitely get into that, too, since I enjoyed them together before.  Josh and Lauren haven't seen to have lost their chemistry from before.

Actually, this was a better episode than I've ever seen before.

Edited August 19, 2017 by Star Aristille

[Silver Raven]

Brady is always such an ass around women.  He always acts so entitled and pressing ownership claims. Nicole needs to dump his ass.

Has Josh ever played Roman when he was with Marlena?

No, Julie, you're the bottom feeder of Salem.  Loved the Andre/Julie comments to each other.

Boy, Chloe's making the rounds of the men in Salem.

So professional photographer Eric Brady has his pictures developed at a drugstore instead of developing them himself?

Gee, Paul and Sonny kissed.  Carlavati is here.

Damn, Roman was really coming on to Kate there.  Time to bring back Rex and Cassie?

[Star Aristille]

59 minutes ago, Silver Raven said:

Has Josh ever played Roman when he was with Marlena?

Just the one time they had sex while being held captive by Andre (whom they then thought was Tony) during the Melaswen/DiMera Castle storyline.  Other than that, no.

[Frozendiva]

12 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

Whoops! Again, I don't know their history well...

After getting a little intrigued by the idea of Roman getting another chance to explore his possible lingering feelings for Doc, boy do I feel stupid. The show is clearly only going to play this up for laughs. That kiss was a little strange, what with Deidre basically blocking the camera from seeing whatever she was doing to Josh.

Should we be grateful?

I was waiting for the chompers to be sucked out and fly across the pub.

Chad, already asking Abigail to remarry you? It's a bit premature.

Nicole, please choose yourself for a bit and dump Brady. He is again showing you who he is and how insecure, paranoid, and needy he is. And that he needs to own you. None of what you have been 'keeping' from him is worth much. Mostly not his business unless you make it so. Maybe Uncle Victor can find him a good therapist.

Julie, why are you around? Shouldn't you be on another cruise by now?

Andre, you are married to Kate in name only. Nice to see her with a decent guy instead of a criminal.

Chloe, do you want Eric? Let him have his own life for a bit. Maybe work on rebuilding your relationship with Nicole.

[Star Aristille]

3 minutes ago, Frozendiva said:

Chloe, do you want Eric? Let him have his own life for a bit. Maybe work on rebuilding your relationship with Nicole.

That one Chloe has been working on.  It was said today that she and Nicole have talked and texted quite a bit since she'd been back in New York.  So I think they actually were working on repairing their friendship off-screen.

[Frozendiva]

11 minutes ago, Star Aristille said:

That one Chloe has been working on.  It was said today that she and Nicole have talked and texted quite a bit since she'd been back in New York.  So I think they actually were working on repairing their friendship off-screen.

Must have missed that - doing laundry, and being sick and congested.

[DisneyBoy]

Well it's not like they took the two seconds necessary to actually have Nicole send Chloe a text or something in the last few weeks.

[YupItsMe]

On 8/18/2017 at 11:00 PM, Frozendiva said:

I was waiting for the chompers to be sucked out and fly across the pub.

Chad, already asking Abigail to remarry you? It's a bit premature.

My thought exactly regarding Roman! :)

It would be really great for Abigail & Chad to take just a moment to breathe before jumping right back into marriage. They need to do a lot of work first.

[Pearl]

On 8/18/2017 at 3:53 PM, DisneyBoy said:

I would think, if they are trying to conceal the fact that Chloe is pregnant, that this would be the one time they wouldn't put Nadia in a tight fitting dress. Having her go around with a sort of mini trench coat tied around the waist would have probably easily hid that bump. Right now it's totally on display and you can easily see Nadia trying to swing her purse in front of it.

Where they chem testing Chloe and Eric? I didn't think so at first, but then Eric kept smiling so much.

 

I thought the dress Chloe was wearing was classy and she looked beautiful. It wasn't skin tight at all. It's the shows job to find ways to hide her pregnancy with better angles or having her stand behind things, but they haven't done that.  She's trying her best to camouflage it, so give the woman a break!

I really liked the Chloe/Eric scenes. Such a beautiful duo,  If that was a chem test, it definitely worked for me.

Edited August 20, 2017 by Pearl

[tribeca]

If Brady was a jealous jerk Nicole may have never remembered what she did.  

Enjoyed kate and Roman scene.   So Andre broke up their marriage ?   Would have thought sammi would be the one.  

[Silver Raven]

Chad: "I want to come home."  Er, Chad, you are home, it's Abigail who isn't home.

Kate and Roman were so wrapped up in each other, they didn't even hear the pub door slamming.

I wonder if they filmed all of these Deimos scenes back when VI was still on the show, or if they brought him back for the scenes.

It's bad enough when they used to have the little advertising slug in the lower corner of the screen, but now they're covering up one third of the screen.  Enough!

[Star Aristille]

7 hours ago, tribeca said:

Enjoyed kate and Roman scene.   So Andre broke up their marriage ?   Would have thought sammi would be the one.  

It was a mix of Andre, Sami, and Kate herself.

Andre's part in it was keeping Roman captive first on Melaswen, and then in the DiMera Castle in Europe (back when they all thought he was Tony).  During this time away, Roman got close with Marlena and slept with her, while Kate got close with John and slept with him.  Both affairs came out and did damage to both couples after their reunions.  Roman and Kate took a big hit, but barely managed to recover, but were on shaky ground.  Marlena took a tumble down her and John's penthouse stairs and lost the baby with which Roman had left her pregnant, got amnesia from the fall . . . and so began the ill-received Alex North storyline.

Kate's part in it was working with Eugenia Willens to drug Sami and Brandon and force them into bed together while they were passed out so they could break up Sami's engagement to Lucas.

Sami's part in it was exposing that very plan by playing the tapes of their phone conversations, which Eugenia had taped in case she needed blackmail material later, at Lucas's birthday party.  That pretty much put the final nail in the coffin of their marriage.

Edited August 22, 2017 by Star Aristille

[JBC344]

2 hours ago, Star Aristille said:

It was a mix of Andre, Sami, and Kate herself.

Andre's part in it was keeping Roman captive first on Melaswen, and then in the DiMera Castle in Europe (back when they all thought he was Tony).  During this time away, Roman got close with Marlena and slept with her, while Kate got close with John and slept with him.  Both affairs came out and did damage to both couples after their reunions.  Roman and Kate took a big hit, but barely managed to recover, but were on shaky ground.  Marlena took a tumble down her and John's penthouse stairs and lost the baby with which Roman had left her pregnant, got amnesia from the fall . . . and so began the ill-received Alex North storyline.

Kate's part in it was working with Eugenia Willens to drug Sami and Brandon and force them into bed together while they were passed out so they could break up Sami's engagement to Lucas.

Sami's part in it was exposing that very plan by playing the tapes of their phone conversations, which Eugenia had taped in case she needed blackmail material later, at Lucas's birthday part.  That pretty much put the final nail in the coffin of their marriage.

I really loved John and Kate when they were a couple.  Their breakup scene when they decided not  to marry one another and that they should go back to Roman and Marlena was so touching and poignant.  The mixed feelings of having Marlena and Roman be alive after mourning their deaths while clearing Kate's things out of the penthouse she and John lived in as a couple.  I get that John and Marlena are always end game but I would have liked to see John and Kate stay together longer after everything they went to in establishing their relationship.  They had a real strong connection.

I remember a couple years later when John "died" at the end of the Colleen/Santo storyline and it was Kate's voice that woke him from his coma not Marlena's.

Pleasantly surprised that they are acknowledging the history.

[Star Aristille]

Ah, two more things to talk about today.

I actually really liked how well they did the flashbacks as Nicole finally recalled that she killed Deimos.  Everything between her and Deimos after this entire past year of knowing each other just bubbled up and exploded.  You can tell that Arianne went for it, playing a drugged-up Nicole who was reacting to everything that was going on, and every revelation and taunt that Deimos was throwing at her.  Vincent played those scenes well, too.  Even Eric Martsolf stepped it up as Brady watched Nicole recall everything.

And on another note, thank GOD that John found out everything today, and that he found Marlena.  Is this the quickest amount of time in daytime history that a doppelganger has been found out?  Or has another soap had one get found out even sooner?

5 minutes ago, JBC344 said:

I really loved John and Kate when they were a couple.

One of my biggest titter-worthy moments when they were together was when Kate was giving John a back massage, and he loudly declared that it was giving him piloerection, at which point Kate reacted with horror, thinking he was talking about something that didn't include the "pilo."  Then, John clarified that he meant goosebumps, and Kate was relieved.

One of the few times Reilly actually did something that made me laugh.  Especially given that it was his normally-humor-free writing.

[Sandman]

1 hour ago, Star Aristille said:

And on another note, thank GOD that John found out everything today, and that he found Marlena.  Is this the quickest amount of time in daytime history that a doppelganger has been found out?  Or has another soap had one get found out even sooner?

Yeah -- ten minutes of tailing "Doc" was all it took! I kind of love that dumb Hattie thinks that locking them both in the padded room is enough to keep John and Marlena from foiling her "plans" -- like the Salem Sanitarium has some sort of Double-Occupancy Crazy Plan. Also, why is Bonnie (or as I'm thinking of her, Naydrienne, 'cause no way anybody's fooled by her non-impersonation) salting Miss Piggy's game by making a play for Mr. Dimples herself? Does this mean the whole ridiculous revenge plan is going to be wrapped up in record time? I sincerely hope so.

I'm surprised that Sonny and Paul already had a bedroom scene -- but I'm sure I'm not the only one who called "double wedding!" as soon as Sonny said he had a question for Sparkle. (I thought Sparkle's response to the question was surprisingly genuine. I don't usually get more than a big shiny grin from Sean, but I thought there was a nice emotional colour there. But by god I hope that's the last we'll see of Sonny Corleone and his monstrous overuse of hair product -- because, no. I like Freddie Smith fine, but trying to play Sonny as some sort of emerging mobster is entirely beyond his powers. And also the plot point was stupid.) Did Abigail really try to psych Chad out by pretending to refuse him on the grounds of her marriage to Dario? And then try to accuse him of lacking a sense of humour about it? WTF? That is COLD. I don't know who wrote that, but it was a wretched idea. I was thinking that Flynn and Miller were having some nice chemistry, but now I'm thinking Chad might just be too good for her (again). You best be careful, woman! You think you're the only person in Chad's life who could come back from the dead? Chad's pretty sentimental for a Dimera. (I'm kidding. Mostly.)

Speaking of contrived and worthless ideas, Jawn actually punched Ex-Commissioner Grampa Mumbleteeth in the jaw? Is he insane? Does he want us not to be able to understand a syllable that man says at all?

I guess Nicole's confession/realization is supposed to be on the level, but I feel another lame twist coming.

Oh, and I'm supposed to believe and/or care that André is experiencing jealousy over Kate? Wh ...y? Wrinklestiltskin is an evil, psychopathic serial murderer troll! Just stop, show.

Edited August 22, 2017 by Sandman

[Star Aristille]

14 minutes ago, Sandman said:

Also, why is Bonnie (or as I'm thinking of her, Naydrienne, 'cause no way anybody's fooled by her non-impersonation) salting Miss Piggy's game by making a play for Mr. Dimples herself?

Actually, Bonnie is into Lucas just as much as Adrienne is.  It's part of Anjelica's plan that Bonnie gets with Justin, dumps him, leaves him heartbroken, and opens the way for Anjelica to pick up the pieces.  So the "reunion" with Justin is just an act on Bonnie's part.

[Sandman]

Thanks. I guess I skimmed over that part. And, apparently, also the part where that plan makes any particle of sense. (Sorry, Anjie, baby, but it's just laborious and mostly pointless -- too many unknown variables.) This is almost Jawn-plans-to-trap-Kristen-by-sleeping-with-her levels of nutso. Why do all these nefarious plans have to be so ornate and yet so brainless?

Edited August 22, 2017 by Sandman

[Star Aristille]

Just now, Sandman said:

Thanks. I guess I skimmed over that part. And, apparently, also the part where that plan makes any particle of sense. (Sorry, Anjie, baby, but it's just laborious and mostly pointless -- too many unknown variables.)

Hattie and Bonnie both said the same thing a week or so back.  Or at least they asked her what sense that made.

[Sandman]

We don't notice them refusing to participate, though. Forgive me if this another product of my itchy FF-finger, but what does Bonnie get out of it? Dumb Hattie gets another crack at Roman, but what's in it for Bonnie, other than the get-out-of-jail-free card, and the spending spree on Adrienne's tab?

Edited August 22, 2017 by Sandman

[Star Aristille]

32 minutes ago, Sandman said:

Forgive me if this another product of my itchy FF-finger, but what does Bonnie get out of it? Dumb Hattie gets another crack at Roman, but what's in it for Bonnie, other than the get-out-jail-free card, and the spending spree on Adrienne's tab?

Her freedom from prison, and a chance to ingratiate herself into the Kiriakis mansion, where she can get close to Victor and steal him from Maggie, the way she blamed her for stealing Mickey from her.  Basically, a chance at revenge for Bonnie.

Edited August 22, 2017 by Star Aristille

[Sandman]

Thanks again! Hmm. Still not that interested in Bonnie.

[tribeca]

Bonnie can have Lucas and Adrienne and Justin can get back together.  That's my plan LOL.  

[Sandman]

I'm sure Lucas would be more or less okay with that plan. It might help if he stayed drunk, though. (What, like that's a worse plan than Anjelica's brainstorm of absurdities?)

[Frozendiva]

Does Bonnie have a back-up plan in case Victor doesn't want her? She is better off with someone like Lucas.

Hattie wants Roman who wants Kate who wants who knows. The plan, though interesting, has too many variables and too many wildcards to come out as hoped.

Chad, it is a bit premature to ask Abby to remarry you. Maybe both stay single for six months. Abs can get some mental health counselling and treatment and be in a better place to make a life decision. Her treatment of him is a sample of more that will be coming. Run, Chad, and find someone better. Surely someone new and fabulous can move to Salem or you can meet someone online or on a business trip.

Sonny, please wash your hair. Again, be in a committed relationship with Paul and don't rush in to marriage.

Nicole is just the jailbird of the week? Given what Deimos did say to her while she was drugged up, she certainly had the motive.  Revenge by buying off another judge? Couldn't that judge have come forward to say he/she was being blackmailed? 

Nice to see that John found Marlena. Hopefully his cell phone is still with him and fully charged and can get decent reception.

[Sandman]

7 minutes ago, Frozendiva said:

Sonny, please wash your hair. Again ...

Actually, I think this is pretty good advice even if we stop right there. Though I fully support the whole "how about trying not to rush into marriage, hmm?" theme you're building there, Frozendiva.

It seems to me that E-CGM Roman had an affectionate, if somewhat overly sentimental look on his face as he was (presumably) thinking about Kate. She could do worse -- and currently is.

[A.J.]

2 hours ago, Sandman said:

I hope that's the last we'll see of Sonny Corleone and his monstrous overuse of hair product -- because, no. I like Freddie Smith fine, but trying to play Sonny as some sort of emerging mobster is entirely beyond his powers.

Please, please let this happen soon.  That look on him is atrocious. 

[JBC344]

Wait, does Bonnie really think she is going to steal Victor from Maggies as Adrienne?  That makes completely no sense.  I understand the revenge against Maggie because of Mickey but Victor doesn't even like Adrienne.  I can understand Bonnie going after the Kiriakis money but not through "stealing" Victor. 

You think she would just take Adrienne's money or find a way to steal Justin's before she dumped him.

[DisneyBoy]

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She's trying her best to camouflage it, so give the woman a break!

LOL, she did definitely look beautiful and a baby bump is nothing to be ashamed of. I just mean that the Wardrobe Department could have easily done the work for her by giving her a little jacket with a belt that covered that area.

This show often fails the actresses when it comes to playing up the most flattering parts of their bodies. Remember when Laura came back last fall? She was in these impossibly tight ill-fitting Mom Jeans that just made it clear how much her figure had changed since she was last on the show. It seems like almost everything Judi Evans was given to wear for the last few years was a punishment of some sort. I really loved the blue sweater/dress number she was wearing last week with the gray circles on the bottom. Definitely one of her best looks. I guess this is more for the fashion thread though!

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Andre's part in it was keeping Roman captive first on Melaswen, and then in the DiMera Castle in Europe (back when they all thought he was Tony).  During this time away, Roman got close with Marlena and slept with her, while Kate got close with John and slept with him.  Both affairs came out and did damage to both couples after their reunions.  Roman and Kate took a big hit, but barely managed to recover, but were on shaky ground.  Marlena took a tumble down her and John's penthouse stairs and lost the baby with which Roman had left her pregnant, got amnesia from the fall . . . and so began the ill-received Alex North storyline.

 ...this is so weird. Just yesterday I was watching a clip online - for the first time - of John and Marlena and Roman and Kate's vow renewals where Roman declared to the entire room that Marlena was pregnant just after she fainted. It's clear from the clip that he had impregnated her, but I had no clue how that had happened. Before I even have to ask, here you wonderful guys are offering me the answer! I love this community.

(Also interesting because I didn't know that Josh's Roman had ever actually been romantically involved with Marlena. I figured that was all only back in the Wayne days.)

I missed most of the episode today so I won't be able to make lengthy comments. It was nice to see Sonny and Paul in bed but I'm still not feeling them as a couple. Them getting engaged feels like it's coming out of nowhere even though they have supposedly been dating for months. I feel like we missed all of the major relationship milestones somehow. Of course, since the show decided that Paul and Sonny had this elaborate backstory that we never got to see play out, I can't help but wonder if this relationship was always going to be doomed because the audience would never get the chance to see them fall in love together for the first time.

Did the flashback show Nicole murdering Deimos? I really have a hard time believing it was her.

John being locked in the padded cell with Marlena means absolutely nothing. All he would have to do is yell really loudly and some orderly would probably immediately notice that a man's voice was coming from "Hattie's" cell and they'd be freed.

I am also baffled as to why Andre would care whether or not Kate still has feelings for Roman. Isn't the whole point of him marrying Kate to further cement his bonds with Chad and the New DiMera's? I thought the whole point of him sucking up to everybody and being nice was so that he could later stab them in the back. Am I supposed to believe he genuinely is BFFs with Abigail and he's deeply in love with his wife and jealous that she might be cheating on him?

If it's just a pretense, let it be a pretense.

As much as I like Judi, I don't really see Bonnie playing Adrienne so much as Judi playing Adrienne as a slightly shiftier Adrienne.

Deidre and Judi are really giving me a deeper appreciation for the incredible subtleties Eileen Davidson brings to all of her doppelgangers.

Does anyone else think that the rooms at the Martin House are butt ugly? I know some of them are sets from the Greece storyline, but the designer really should have lost the columns and thrown some fresh paint on those walls. It looks like they're still in some weird cheap European hostel. There's just no style to the Martin House at all except in the living room and foyer (wherever it vanished to...)

[Star Aristille]

5 minutes ago, DisneyBoy said:

LOL, she did definitely look beautiful and a baby bump is nothing to be ashamed of. I just mean that the Wardrobe Department could have easily done the work for her by giving her a little jacket with a belt that covered that area.

(Also interesting because I didn't know that Josh's Roman had ever actually been romantically involved with Marlena. I figured that was all only back in the Wayne days.)

Did the flashback show Nicole murdering Deimos? I really have a hard time believing it was her.

John being locked in the padded cell with Marlena means absolutely nothing. All he would have to do is yell really loudly and some orderly would probably immediately notice that a man's voice was coming from "Hattie's" cell and they'd be freed.

Didn't the scenes get taped after Nadia was back from her last maternity leave?  I'm pretty sure she'd have had her baby by then.  Why is everyone so sure of a baby bump?

What happened in the castle was the only time Roman and Marlena were romantically involved while Josh was playing Roman.  And even then, it was only because they thought they would never see John and Kate again.  But when they finally escaped, the only things on their minds were getting back to them.  They didn't give each other a second (romantic) look after that.

Yes, it did.  Nicole had the knife and plunged it into Deimos while they were fighting over it.  Unless something else is revealed, then for now, it looks like she is the actual culprit.

As for the last one . . . I'm pretty sure that Hattie will think of that and try something to stop that from happening, too, before she leaves the sanitarium.

[JBC344]

11 minutes ago, Star Aristille said:

Didn't the scenes get taped after Nadia was back from her last maternity leave?  I'm pretty sure she'd have had her baby by then.  Why is everyone so sure of a baby bump?

What happened in the castle was the only time Roman and Marlena were romantically involved while Josh was playing Roman.  And even then, it was only because they thought they would never see John and Kate again.  But when they finally escaped, the only things on their minds were getting back to them.  They didn't give each other a second (romantic) look after that.

Yes, it did.  Nicole had the knife and plunged it into Deimos while they were fighting over it.  Unless something else is revealed, then for now, it looks like she is the actual culprit.

As for the last one . . . I'm pretty sure that Hattie will think of that and try something to stop that from happening, too, before she leaves the sanitarium.

I think that Roman was happy to get back to married life with Kate but I think he would of also been ok with the idea of he and Marlena being back together and pregnant with a new child.