AimingforYoko April 2 Share April 2 (edited) Quote Daredevil is back and races Fisk to stop Muse from killing again. The episode title is MGM's motto. So we've dispensed with Muse, DD's back and now we can get to the main event. Edited April 2 by AimingforYoko 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152718-s01e07-art-for-arts-sake/
Mr. Sparkle April 2 Share April 2 I'm going to be listening to that last song for the next few days. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152718-s01e07-art-for-arts-sake/#findComment-8623230
Raja April 2 Share April 2 Both Daredevil and Kingpin are fully back now. Shooting Luca from ambush wasn't just blackmailing the Police Commissioner. Did Vanessa set up Luca, or did the Kingpin just reverted fully and forgive her, but with a message like he always will? As a man protecting his city he was much more concerned with Daredevil than his the terrorizing serial killer. Certainly someone, probably Powell on his task force will turn before a successful extra legal hit on Matt. Cherry's attitude meant nothing, maybe if we knew him better because he was a Netflix legacy character rather than a new save the money show creation. Since not using the cops from Jessica Jones, Luke Cage and Daredevil that chased the super powered meant that team would not get paid for the original plan of a reboot show. I couldn't buy him or his ex partner Detective Kim siding up to the Mayor 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152718-s01e07-art-for-arts-sake/#findComment-8623254
Morrigan2575 April 2 Share April 2 I think Vaness set Luca up, Fisk knew and was ready for it. Plus the call Vanessa and ask her if she wants me to bring something home for her. I liked the fight scene it was quite Brutal, I don't know what DD used but, it looked like it ripped up Muse's back. I'm sad that Muse was killed after 2 fights, he had the potential to be a truly terrifying villain and the young actor did very well. Hopefully the kid doesn't get typecast after this and Wednesday 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152718-s01e07-art-for-arts-sake/#findComment-8623281
magdalene April 2 Share April 2 This series has been such a let down for me. One lame episode after the other. They ruined the relationship Fisk had with his wife on the good show. Matt and his gf have negative chemistry. I miss Matt's real friends so much - especially Karen. The one excellent scene was between Matt and Punisher several episodes ago and we got Bernthal for what - five minutes? The denouement for the Muse villain was way rushed and beyond lame. I am done. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152718-s01e07-art-for-arts-sake/#findComment-8623325
thuganomics85 April 2 Share April 2 We interrupt your normal comic book hero scheduling for a bit of a detour into Criminal Minds-like territory! The previously segment pretty much gave the game away that the patient was Muse since we never saw him since his initial scene and there wasn't any real reason to show it. They kind of rushed through what I'm guessing was a somewhat significant villain in the comic world, but I am curious to see how that will affect Heather going forward. Not just the whole being captured and forced to shoot him at the end bits: he pretty much admitted that she/her book was the inspiration for his "art." Even if she shouldn't be blamed for the acts of a crazy guy, that has to do a number on one's mind. How much time has passed on this show, because it seems really early for Matt and Heather to be in the "I love you" phase. Their relationship feels like it has barely developed, let alone getting into love territory. Fisk was cracking me up with how he was trying to frame Daredevil as some kind of evil man, who ruined him and his business. Ah, yes, Kingpin! You were just a humble, everyday blue-colored worker that had your life ruined by that pesky vigilante with horns. He even broke people's bones! You would never do that!! Hard to get invested in the fight between Cherry and Kirsten, when I had to pop over to IMDB to even figure out what the characters names are. Knew Luca's plan was going to backfire. Have to think it was all a set-up. Yeah, Vanessa might have cheated on Fisk, and Fisk responds by kidnapping and torturing her lover, but dammit, that's nothing therapy can't fix! No one can replace Wesley, but I'm warming up to Buck as Fisk's new suave, suit-wearing lackey with a gun! I'm kind of hoping this series ends with Powell finding out Matt's secret identity, so he truly realizes just how many times he's got his ass handed to him by this guy! 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152718-s01e07-art-for-arts-sake/#findComment-8623354
dwmarch April 2 Share April 2 The one thing that didn't work for me in this episode in particular was how Daredevil discovered that Heather was going to be the next victim. So while Matt and Heather were making sweet sweet love, Matt gently caressed her face and memorized all the contours... and Muse just so happened to do a painting that was so realistic with its own contours that Matt could run his fingers over it and figure out who it was. We couldn't have just had something else be the giveaway? Her book in audio form paused on Muse's computer or something? No, it had to be a purely visual clue that Matt somehow deciphered with his fingers because he investigates murder scenes the same way he makes love. I also wish he would have just told Heather he was Daredevil at the end of the episode. As if she's not going to figure it out! Daredevil has the same stubble and the same voice as the guy I have been dating for several months but on account of the mask that covers half of his face I have no idea who he is. New leadership position has just opened up at the Tracksuit Mafia! I wish we could have seen a bit more of Luca to establish that he actually had some badass cred but instead we only ever got to see him talking shit. Why did the Task Force have to breach the downstairs door at Heather's office building? Is there no lobby? Do you just walk up a single flight of stairs directly to her office? And does she normally keep this door locked during business hours? Also, are there no other tenants in that building? I know there aren't really any shows that can truly establish the sheer size of the actual NYPD but it always bugs me when the Hollywood NYPD consists of a single detective who gets assigned to every crime scene regardless of location. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152718-s01e07-art-for-arts-sake/#findComment-8623379
KittenPokerCheater April 2 Share April 2 I was hoping that Vanessa would turn on Fisk, at least temporarily, because it would have been a good twist- Lady MacBeth and MacBeth at each other’s throats. And hey, there’s nothing couples counseling can’t fix! I wonder if this will change Heather’s view on Masked Vigilantes.  One just saved her life. Muse was a terrific and terrifying villain. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152718-s01e07-art-for-arts-sake/#findComment-8623522
NeenerNeener April 2 Share April 2 10 hours ago, Morrigan2575 said: the young actor did very well. Hopefully the kid doesn't get typecast after this and Wednesday Yeah, my thought too. Although being typecast as the baby-faced murderer nobody expects is better than not being cast at all. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152718-s01e07-art-for-arts-sake/#findComment-8623535
Raja April 2 Share April 2 10 hours ago, Morrigan2575 said: I think Vaness set Luca up, Fisk knew and was ready for it. Plus the call Vanessa and ask her if she wants me to bring something home for her. Either way I think the power couple is back as Wilson is now back to doing the things that made her fall in love with him. No more need for Heather. I wouldn't stand on any plastic floor covering if I were her. 11 hours ago, Morrigan2575 said: I liked the fight scene it was quite Brutal, I don't know what DD used but, it looked like it ripped up Muse's back. With all the martial arts that Muse had a good taekwondo teacher but as an unwilling child prodigy killed him stood up to the Devil, trained by the Chaste to take on The Hand and veteran of fights against undead ninja and the badass fighters in New York was a joke, right? Perhaps a nod to rust, even with tune up fights against bad cops and bank robbers, or Father Time winning as he always does unless you are an alien super soldier. Daredevil's billy club/nunchuks besides the expanding cable has a grappling hook which allows DD to swing, but slower than Spider-Man the buildings of NYC. 9 hours ago, thuganomics85 said: Fisk was cracking me up with how he was trying to frame Daredevil as some kind of evil man, who ruined him and his business. Ah, yes, Kingpin! You were just a humble, everyday blue-colored worker that had your life ruined by that pesky vigilante with horns. He even broke people's bones! You would never do that!! Hero of your own story on steroids. Beating up Track Suit Mafia small businessmen while later he shoots their CEO in the back of the head. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152718-s01e07-art-for-arts-sake/#findComment-8623555
Orbert April 2 Share April 2 The best relationship on the show is and has always been Wilson and Vanessa. When she texted Luca the address and said he was alone, I was concerned. Things are rough between the Fisks right now, for various reasons, but I didn't want to believe that it had gotten this bad. I was just hoping Luca fucked it up somehow, and didn't see the setup coming, which I'm sure everyone else in the world did. I'm glad Muse is dead. The disturbed young man, misunderstood, tortured by his past as well as his inner demons, fuck him. Another cliché. At least we learned why he could fight so well and hold his own against Matt. The Daredevil mask only covers the top half of his face. Both Heather and Angela now have seen Daredevil up close and heard his voice, and have also seen Matt up close and spoken with him, Heather quite intimately, but neither of them notice that the beard and the voice are exactly the same? That's the part that bugs me. Clark Kent Glasses Syndrome. I just made that up, but I'm pretty sure it's a thing. You don't see it because you "don't expect to" or context or something. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152718-s01e07-art-for-arts-sake/#findComment-8623635
Charlemagne April 2 Share April 2 (edited) 4 hours ago, Orbert said: The Daredevil mask only covers the top half of his face. Both Heather and Angela now have seen Daredevil up close and heard his voice, and have also seen Matt up close and spoken with him, Heather quite intimately, but neither of them notice that the beard and the voice are exactly the same? That's the part that bugs me. Clark Kent Glasses Syndrome. I just made that up, but I'm pretty sure it's a thing. You don't see it because you "don't expect to" or context or something. I think that this is where Matt's blindness does the heavy lifting. Even if there are physical similarities, thinking that a blind man can do what Daredevil does would quash any suspicions for most people. Edited April 2 by Charlemagne 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152718-s01e07-art-for-arts-sake/#findComment-8623878
Raja April 2 Share April 2 2 minutes ago, Charlemagne said: I think that this is where Matt's blindness does the heavy lifting. Even if there are physical similarities, thinking that a blind man can do what Daredevil does would quash any suspicious for most people. On the other hand, people can say a guy from space is impersonating me to steal some candy popcorn. 😉 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152718-s01e07-art-for-arts-sake/#findComment-8623882
Charlemagne April 2 Share April 2 2 minutes ago, Raja said: On the other hand, people can say a guy from space is impersonating me to steal some candy popcorn. 😉 Sure, they can *say* that but, while the existence of aliens, etc. can certainly complicate life in the MCU, it can also be something like this: Identity Fraud is a real thing. People having their accounts hacked is a real thing. But, claiming Identity Fraud or your account being hacked when you screw up doesn't usually hold up to much scrutiny. 😊 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152718-s01e07-art-for-arts-sake/#findComment-8623885
Raja April 2 Share April 2 5 minutes ago, Charlemagne said: Sure, they can *say* that but, while the existence of aliens, etc. can certainly complicate life in the MCU, it can also be something like this: Identity Fraud is a real thing. People having their accounts hacked is a real thing. But, claiming Identity Fraud or your account being hacked when you screw up doesn't usually hold up to much scrutiny. 😊 Have you seen She-Hulk? Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152718-s01e07-art-for-arts-sake/#findComment-8623889
Charlemagne April 2 Share April 2 37 minutes ago, Raja said: Have you seen She-Hulk? I have! But, I think that the example still stands. People are prosecuted for Identity Fraud. People are prosecuted for hacking. But not everyone's claim that their Identity was stolen or that they have been hacked when they have "stepped in it" holds up under scrutiny. I am sure that Jesse Smollet would have used the Skrull defense but, alas, it probably would not have worked for him. 😊😊😊 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152718-s01e07-art-for-arts-sake/#findComment-8623922
tennisgurl April 3 Share April 3 I knew that Heather's client would be Muse, especially after seeing the Previously On, but it was still really intense when he started talking about how Heather helped him "show himself" to the city, poor Heather just trying to go about her work day and this happens. I am sad to see Muse go so quickly, he was a cool villain and the actor was great at being creepy, but with so much going on I can see why they wanted his arc over. I like Heather but it does seem weird that she hasn't picked up that something is up with Matt, not even that he's Daredevil but at least that he's hiding something. Those bruises she saw didn't look like they were just from accidents that can happen to a blind person, it definitely looks like he's been in a fight or six. Fisk's new Wesley seems pretty interesting now that we've seen him more, he made a really good point about letting Daredevil take down Muse himself if he's so invested in taking care of the city, especially as Daredevil isn't targeting him yet, but of course Fisk is more interested in getting rid of Daredevil than actually keeping the city safe, he had to turn this into a photo op for his corrupt cop task force. I respect Fisk a lot more as a crime boss than I do as a politician, at least as a crime boss he's more honest about who he is and isn't trying to re-write his own history about how that mean old masked man destroyed his totally legitimate business and even hurt his workers. He broke bones! As we all know, Fisk would never engage in such behavior. Even Buck was giving him a "sure boss, whatever you say" look during that whole rant. I know that we always have to have someone to tell Matt that he needs to stop being Daredevil, but I feel like one of the most prolific serial killers in American history is an "all hands on deck" sort of situation. Vanessa and Fisk are at least a bit on the same page now, I do hope that they fix their marriage soon, its weirdly sweet when they're together. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152718-s01e07-art-for-arts-sake/#findComment-8625046
paigow April 5 Share April 5 Buck - unlike Wesley - was not forced to be an interpreter for Fisk when Kingpin was already fluent in Mandarin!!! Det. On 4/2/2025 at 1:02 AM, thuganomics85 said: He even broke people's bones! You would never do that!! Fisk would never decapitate anyone by repeatedly slamming a car door on their head.... or dispense spine shattering body slams that require Wolverine surgery to fix.... Mahoney would be much better than Cherry  Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152718-s01e07-art-for-arts-sake/#findComment-8626658
Raja April 5 Share April 5 8 minutes ago, paigow said: Mahoney would be much better than Cherry I was thinking instead of Detective Kim as in the story he was already a supervisor before the Blip and would have more appropriate rank to be in meetings with the P.C. and the Mayor. 15 minutes ago, paigow said: Buck - unlike Wesley - was not forced to be an interpreter for Fisk when Kingpin was already fluent in Mandarin!!! A first run dive on Marvel Buck makes him a mercenary who sometimes goes as Bullet. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152718-s01e07-art-for-arts-sake/#findComment-8626724
tkc April 5 Share April 5 I know Cole North is a name from the comics, but my mind went to Col. Oliver North… remember him? Just saw him on an old episode of JAG! This North looks like he might turn on Fisk down the road… Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152718-s01e07-art-for-arts-sake/#findComment-8626860
Ottis Friday at 01:04 PM Share Friday at 01:04 PM (edited) On 4/2/2025 at 12:04 AM, magdalene said: This series has been such a let down for me. One lame episode after the other. They have taken far too long to get to the point they should have started with, but the Fisk saga has been fascinating. I love the character in these DD shows. On 4/2/2025 at 12:04 AM, magdalene said: I miss Matt's real friends so much - especially Karen. I do miss Karen, and they roll in a variety of stand ins for her who knows who Matt is and try to get him to stop or slow down. I do not miss Foggy. On 4/2/2025 at 1:02 AM, thuganomics85 said: Fisk was cracking me up with how he was trying to frame Daredevil as some kind of evil man, who ruined him and his business. Ah, yes, Kingpin! You were just a humble, everyday blue-colored worker that had your life ruined by that pesky vigilante with horns. He even broke people's bones! You would never do that!! The real world analogy continues. On 4/2/2025 at 9:25 AM, KittenPokerCheater said: I wonder if this will change Heather’s view on Masked Vigilantes.  One just saved her life. I fear we are headed for a J Jonah Jamison path, where we know DD is a good guy but Fisk convinces the world he is a bad guy. I hate that path.  Edited Friday at 01:04 PM by Ottis 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152718-s01e07-art-for-arts-sake/#findComment-8632375
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