S07.E13: Hello, Goodbye

[GHScorpiosRule]

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Brianna works to thwart a treacherous plan that endangers her family. A surprise encounter brings new understanding to Roger's journey in the past. Ian and Rachel take a big step in their relationship.

Edited Friday at 06:16 PM by GHScorpiosRule

[FnkyChkn34]

1 hour ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

 

 

I think the correct description is:

Brianna works to thwart a treacherous plan that endangers her family. A surprise encounter brings new understanding to Roger's journey in the past. Ian and Rachel take a big step in their relationship.

[Salacious Kitty]

30 minutes ago, FnkyChkn34 said:

I think the correct description is:

Brianna works to thwart a treacherous plan that endangers her family. A surprise encounter brings new understanding to Roger's journey in the past. Ian and Rachel take a big step in their relationship.

Yes, that's what my guide says. 

[GHScorpiosRule]

30 minutes ago, FnkyChkn34 said:

I think the correct description is:

Brianna works to thwart a treacherous plan that endangers her family. A surprise encounter brings new understanding to Roger's journey in the past. Ian and Rachel take a big step in their relationship.

Thanks. I just went to IMDb and copied what was there. I will update.

[LoveLeigh]

I am lost.... if Roger's father was never found and Roger found him in the past and sent him back to the present, doesn't that change Roger's entire life story?

[LoveLeigh]

I have to admit all of this time traveling has me very confused with regard to the characters from the past going forward in time. 

[Jodithgrace]

I don’t think that Roger’s father survived the trip through the stones. If he had, Roger wouldn’t have been raised by his uncle and therefore wouldn’t have met Claire and Brianna.  First of all, he didn’t have any gemstones, and it probably wasn’t one of the holidays during which the stones are extra potent. If he were found, dead, near where his plane went down, nothing in Roger’s history would change. I think the flash Roger had of his father and himself in a shelter was a memory from before his father went off to war. 
 

So now Brianna and the kids are together. At least now Roger will be heading home, realizing that wherever Jemmy is, it’s not in  1739. That Rob Cameron is a slippery devil, isn’t he?

[AZChristian]

14 minutes ago, Atlanta said:

You're going to have to clue me in on that. Is that actor a veterinarian on a different show?

Yes. He plays James Herriott on All Creatures Great and Small.

[DoctorAtomic]

I can't watch on my usual Monday night because I'm going to on the road. I'm coming in hot on Friday night!

I really wish this thinking, reasoning Roger had been around since the start. Long time to wait for him to become interesting. And tbh to Bree, we're not dealing with a criminal mastermind. Kill the guy and take your chances. Which she basically did. Other than the guy's house, there's not much else where he could be hidden. I'm glad they found Jem and resolved the plot, but I don't need it dragged out with Rob on the loose again. I don't care enough. They should have ended it with him being arrested. 

Nice to see Jamie have the decency to show concern that Lord John is on the lam and marked for death. Not that he can do much about it now, but there better be a big apology coming. 

I was with Claire on being 'moved' during the wedding. Great scene all around though. Again though, with a room that huge, too much cutting. I thought William was going to storm in. Speaking of, he can be angry all he wants. He's on the losing side.

How did Jerry get back into 1739 if he didn't have a gem the first time? 

 

[DoctorAtomic]

1 hour ago, Jodithgrace said:

I don’t think that Roger’s father survived the trip through the stones. If he had, Roger wouldn’t have been raised by his uncle and therefore wouldn’t have met Claire and Brianna.  First of all, he didn’t have any gemstones, and it probably wasn’t one of the holidays during which the stones are extra potent. If he were found, dead, near where his plane went down, nothing in Roger’s history would change. I think the flash Roger had of his father and himself in a shelter was a memory from before his father went off to war.

Roger gave Jerry a gemstone that he bought from the Tinker. At the end, when Roger finally grew an analytical brain and said, 'you know, I actually thought of my father when we went through the stones. I think we were sent her to help him;' similarly, Jerry may have not thought of his wife, and, perhaps, thought, 'oh, that guy was nice but kind of weird. I do hope he finds his son though.'

My wild speculation is that, no, Jerry couldn't have come back to 1944 whenever because Roger already met Bree and Claire and all that. Instead, in thinking of Roger's son, he went to 1980 and is going to pop up near the dam. 

I'm calling it, so you all have to give me props if I'm right. 

The tell for me was that Roger said the Prime Minister was Thatcher and who the queen was. 1980 isn't too too much different than 1945. Jerry would be able to find a road and walk into town. He'd be able to either hear Thatcher's name on the radio, say if someone picks him up to give him a ride, or read it in a newspaper. They still had newsstands in 1980. 

Edited Saturday at 04:15 AM by DoctorAtomic

[Ziggy]

2 hours ago, Jodithgrace said:

I don’t think that Roger’s father survived the trip through the stones. If he had, Roger wouldn’t have been raised by his uncle and therefore wouldn’t have met Claire and Brianna.  First of all, he didn’t have any gemstones, and it probably wasn’t one of the holidays during which the stones are extra potent. If he were found, dead, near where his plane went down, nothing in Roger’s history would change. I think the flash Roger had of his father and himself in a shelter was a memory from before his father went off to war. 
 

So now Brianna and the kids are together. At least now Roger will be heading home, realizing that wherever Jemmy is, it’s not in  1739. That Rob Cameron is a slippery devil, isn’t he?

I am also guessing that Roger's father did not survive the trip through the stones.  It's possible that he simply went to a different time, but Roger did tell him to think of his wife.  It seems we are led to believe that thinking of someone (or something?) can help you sort of tell the stones which time you want to go to.

He did have a gemstone, though.  Roger handed it to him at the last minute.  He bought it off that tinker when he and Buck were asking around.

Edited Saturday at 05:22 AM by Ziggy

[Ziggy]

1 hour ago, DoctorAtomic said:

How did Jerry get back into 1739 if he didn't have a gem the first time?

I was wondering that, too.  Maybe he was wearing a ring or something?

1 hour ago, DoctorAtomic said:

or read it in a newspaper. They still had newsstands in 1980. 

Like Marty McFly!

1 hour ago, DoctorAtomic said:

Roger gave Jerry a gemstone that he bought from the Tinker.

Oops, just noticed that you already mentioned the gemstone from the Tinker.

[mythoughtis]

Roger’s glimpse of JW in a  remembered memory at the end tells you where he ended up.  At the air raid where Roger’s Mom died.   Since Roger has no memories of him beyond that, and no memories of him other than that …. 

 

 

Edited Saturday at 11:44 PM by mythoughtis

[BitterApple]

16 hours ago, mythoughtis said:

Roger’s glimpse of JW in a  remembered memory at the end tells you where he ended up.  At the air raid where Roger’s Mom died.   Since Roger has no memories of him beyond that, and no memories of him other than that …. 

 

 

I'm totally confused. If Roger's father died in the air raid, why was Roger led to believe he was K.I.A.? Was the memory something that actually happened or wishful thinking? Or did Roger's father make it back and that moment in the subway was before he resumed his assignment in the war? I'm going to have to rewatch, lol. 

Is Ian growing in his hair? I hope so because the Mohawk cosplay has become a bit ridiculous. He spent a few years there, not half his life. 

I love how nobody is even trying to find Lord John, but they're still crashing in his fancy house. 😅

I never thought I'd day this, but I'm more interested in the Roger timeline and where it's all going than I am in the Revolution. 

 

[DoctorAtomic]

I'm interested in Roger too because the show is actually something about time travel and they're talking about it. 

How about Lord John having an alias and accent all teed up?

If dishrag William basically had his own episode (and didn't even take up the anal offer), I want one for Lord John. Although I think Jamie being a general resolves this all in the end. 

I think the memory Roger talked about is an actual memory before Jerry crashed as was missing. After they showed the memory, Roger said to Buck 'I thought I'd have a flood of memories, but I don't remember anything except that.' It sounded to me that the memory already existed before N Jerry went into the stones, so he definitely didn't return to the 1940s. Because I'm still saying he went to 1980.

There's no way they'd spend all that screen time on Roger musing about time travel for literally the first time ever and not pick up that plot point. 

 

[taanja]

23 hours ago, DoctorAtomic said:

There's no way they'd spend all that screen time on Roger musing about time travel for literally the first time ever and not pick up that plot point. 

 

I actually appreciate when a character ponders how the stones/time travel works.  Because I am mainly confused about how it all functions.

But my question -- how did Buck go forward in time? How could he possibly imagine 200 years in the future?

Because everybody else seems to go to the past. (Except, of course, Bree and Roger because they were specifically from the future and could imagine/picture it when going through the stones to return to their own time)

[AZChristian]

1 hour ago, taanja said:

I actually appreciate when a character ponders how the stones/time travel works.  Because I am mainly confused about how it all functions.

But my question -- how did Buck go forward in time? How could he possibly imagine 200 years in the future?

Because everybody else seems to go to the past. (Except, of course, Bree and Roger because they were specifically from the future and could imagine/picture it when going through the stones to return to their own time)

 

1 hour ago, taanja said:

But my question -- how did Buck go forward in time? How could he possibly imagine 200 years in the future?

Maybe the portal is set for 200 years, and if you enter from the early years, you end up in modern times and vice versa. 

Buck said in the show he heard the buzzing from the stones and went to investigate, leaving his wife and children nearby.  His thoughts would likely have been on his "family" which might explain why he ended up near Roger s home.  The next thing Buck knew after approaching the stones was that there were "huge carriages" buzzing by him.  He couldn't imagine 200 years in the future, any more than Claire could imagine day-to-day life 200 years in the past.  

I don't know . . . just a guess.

[DoctorAtomic]

I mean, essentially, the stones work because plot. I'm a realist. 

Technically, going forward if you were born in the past shouldn't work based on the entire show until Jemmy could. 

Maybe he has future DNA. Buck going forward thinking of family is as good a reason as any. Roger said he thought he was meant to go back to 1739.

Maybe it's better if the stones have some mystery. Or their bloodline is unique. That's fine too. 

If Jem went forward, and Buck, then do can Jerry. 

 

[Cdh20]

On 12/22/2024 at 9:59 AM, DoctorAtomic said:

 

How about Lord John having an alias and accent all teed up?

 

 

Having an alias seems like a Jamie Fraser move!