Chit-Chat: The Feels

[Absolom]

1 hour ago, tres bien said:

Trump’s appeal apparently was his “strong “ stance on border security, immigration reform and low inflation. He thinks he won a mandate.

Border security was an issue with many people I know.  We lived through the times of having people fall sick in our driveways during crossing.  My family needed to move due to the high traffic through our neighborhood.  I still would never vote for Trump, but it is of high importance to many people in this area.

[bluegirl147]

54 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Yes, truly a man of the People. The salt of the earth who understands the problems of the working class, small town, average American.

 

A lot of his voters aspire to that.  They think that represents success.  

While I do believe there are voters genuinely concerned about stronger border control for too many voters border security is code for keeping brown people out so white people don't lose their majority. He might have supporters who aren't racists but they don't mind he is a racist.

 

[tres bien]

4 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

I find candidates like Trump and Vance and MTG and Boebert a deep insult.

And I would rather listen to a talking head academic than people like Hannity and Ingram and now Gaetz with his new gig.

I really have to question the voters of CO that voted for Bobert after she changed districts knowing she’d probably loose in her original district 

There were at least half a dozen republicans running for that seat. All longtime residents of the district some holding public office. But yet they rejected them for her 

[peacheslatour]

2 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

A lot of his voters aspire to that.  They think that represents success.  

While I do believe there are voters genuinely concerned about stronger border control for too many voters border security is code for keeping brown people out so white people don't lose their majority. He might have supporters who aren't racists but they don't mind he is a racist.

 

That's is becoming hilariously/painfully apparent, depending on what is important to people. With Musk calling American workers "r*******", telling the MAGA folks to "go fuck themselves" and just the other day, laying off hundreds of workers in Texas, whom he will presumably replace with H1 B workers form Asia and now Trump has backed him on all of it. I don't think the anti-immigration people are getting what they thought they were voting for.

[Dimity]

1 minute ago, tres bien said:

There were at least half a dozen republicans running for that seat. All longtime residents of the district some holding public office. But yet they rejected them for her 

THIS.  The issue isn't why aren't people voting for Dems, the issue is why are people voting for people like her.  And not just in a "oh well I always vote Republican so I'll hold my nose and do it" but in a deliberate "whee look who we get" kind of way.

2 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

and just the other day, laying off hundreds of workers in Texa

Wow, I hadn't heard about that.  He really doesn't care does he?  He knows he holds all the cards.  He's the president whether Trump acknowledges it openly or not.

[bluegirl147]

20 minutes ago, tres bien said:

I really have to question the voters of CO that voted for Bobert after she changed districts knowing she’d probably loose in her original district 

There were at least half a dozen republicans running for that seat. All longtime residents of the district some holding public office. But yet they rejected them for her 

I've said for a long time as bad as some of these politicians are the people who vote for them are just as bad.

20 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

That's is becoming hilariously/painfully apparent, depending on what is important to people. With Musk calling American workers "r*******", telling the MAGA folks to "go fuck themselves" and just the other day, laying off hundreds of workers in Texas, whom he will presumably replace with H1 B workers form Asia and now Trump has backed him on all of it. I don't think the anti-immigration people are getting what they thought they were voting for.

Trump only cared about MAGA as a conduit to what he wanted.  Money and power. He doesn't need their votes anymore.  He is always going to do what benefits him.  Or Musk.

 

[Dimity]

2 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

He doesn't need their votes anymore

Those in congress right now would do well to remember this.  Trump is not going to get to run again,  he is going to run out the clock hoping he won't end up in jail at the end of his term.  And in the meantime he will go on his vengeance tour and make decisions  (correction follow orders) that will benefit himself and his cronies. 

Those in congress who want to stay in elected positions need to make decisions going forward that please voters not Trump.  I wonder how many will have the nerve to stand up to the schoolyard bully.

[Ohiopirate02]

18 minutes ago, Dimity said:

Wow, I hadn't heard about that.  He really doesn't care does he?  He knows he holds all the cards.  He's the president whether Trump acknowledges it openly or not.

Elon loves his foreign workers because they will put up with his bullshit in ways American citizens will not. They are beholden to Elon since their visa gets revoked if/when they quit or get fired. I believe they also cannot unionize.

[peacheslatour]

5 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

Elon loves his foreign workers because they will put up with his bullshit in ways American citizens will not. They are beholden to Elon since their visa gets revoked if/when they quit or get fired. I believe they also cannot unionize.

Yep, they'r indentured servants who can neither quit, look for other work, unionize or expect any kind of a living wage. A month or so ago, he asked for people to come to work for DOGE, 80 hours a week FOR FREE. They came in droves.

[Dimity]

13 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

They came in droves.

It will be interesting to see how long they stay.  Rich zealots running the country.  Well isn't that just peachy.

[Annber03]

5 hours ago, tearknee said:

"If you don't know, find out" did not work too well for the Yes campaign in Australia in the referendum they had in October '23. Because the floating voters saw it as another condescending and deep insult. Not to mention that the last thing that most people want to see on TV is another 'talking head' academic.

Again, is it a "talking head acdemic" thing to tell people to find out more about things like the ACA, or to learn who's actually running in the very elections that are going on? I wouldn't exactly say so. If people think they're being condescended to by being told to find out who's actually running in an election, that sounds like a personal problem on their end. 

And if people in Australia, or Britain, or anywhere else in the world, felt the same way about being told to look up the most basic information regarding elections, again, that's not our problem, that's kinda theirs. We're not talking about doing deep research dives here or heady readings of various topics, we're talking about knowing who's freaking running for presdient, or learning that the Obamaacare you're (general "you're) always railing against is also the very same healthcare you don't want to lose. 

Like, really, this is not hard. And it doesn't require being an "intellectual elitist" to understand it. 

[nokat]

48 minutes ago, Dimity said:

Those in congress right now would do well to remember this.  Trump is not going to get to run again,  he is going to run out the clock hoping he won't end up in jail at the end of his term.  And in the meantime he will go on his vengeance tour and make decisions  (correction follow orders) that will benefit himself and his cronies. 

Those in congress who want to stay in elected positions need to make decisions going forward that please voters not Trump.  I wonder how many will have the nerve to stand up to the schoolyard bully.

A lot of Trump bootlickers have gone down. He tosses those who aren't useful anymore. 

[nokat]

17 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

Again, is it a "talking head acdemic" thing to tell people to find out more about things like the ACA

I've learned about it, and use it. I got so irritated with people calling it obamacare and turning their noses up. Good luck to those that voted against ACA and medicare, and social security.

I wanted health care to be available to everyone, but I'm just a libtard.

[Dimity]

22 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

Like, really, this is not hard. And it doesn't require being an "intellectual elitist" to understand it. 

Bottom line for me in terms of the US election is it doesn't take an "intellectual elitist" to understand that voting for a man who tried to overthrow the last election might just be a really bad idea.

[bluegirl147]

A big problem is being intelligent is considered elitist.  There is nothing wrong with being smart.  But Republicans have demonized it.  Especially the ones who have Ivy League educations.   And having truly dumb people like Trump and Miss Bobble Head continue to get rewarded doesn't help.

[nokat]

3 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

A big problem is being intelligent is considered elitist.  There is nothing wrong with being smart.  But Republicans have demonized it.  Especially the ones who have Ivy League educations.   And having truly dumb people like Trump and Miss Bobble Head continue to get rewarded doesn't help.

Being knowledgeable has become a slur. 

[Anela]

3 hours ago, 27bored said:

Without getting too meta here, I did want to weigh-in on this topic as well. And again, in this election post-mortem I have to admit something that I know isn't going to win me any brownie points with my ideological side, but I've found it to be true to a big extent:

The Left can be way more difficult to deal with than the Right a lot of the time, and in many ways it's easier to be a liberal Democrat around a bunch of Republicans than vice versa.

See, I think this is mostly an NYC/LA/DC talking point. Where you have people who moved from one of the flyover states to the Big City either for college or for work, and you're surrounded by all these smart, progressive, college-educated people whom you just click with. Talking about and shooting the shit about politics is easy because you're mostly on the same page with most issues. But then, when you go back home during the holidays, you're confronted with the fact that 1) your extended family and many people in your hometown did not go to college**, 2) loyally watch FOX News (or keep it on in the background, kind of like how people do with MSNBC), and 3) they're just as game to spout talking points and can't see why any reasonable person wouldn't see it their way. And believe it or not, you can sort of get out of practice with conversing with these people because they're not part of your social circle and you can mostly avoid them online by either blocking or avoiding certain outlets. At most you may just have to hold the phone while your mom or dad rambles on about hating Democrats or "Wokeness" or whatever, but that's...kind of what you wind up doing with your parents on many topics you're not trying to talk about. So it's not a big deal. Thanksgiving dinner? Christmas dinner? Different story.

After a few triggered holidays, you start looking for excuses to either not go home or try to find any way to avoid talking about politics. 

I think those of us on the Left don't realize how condescending we can come across at times. It's not that there's anything intrinsically condescending about progressive ideology, it's the way progressives present their ideas that we wind up co-opting as our general disposition. We can understand how Uncle Frank who is just loud and wrong about stuff can be irritating, right? Yeah, there's a Big City Liberal condescension that's also pretty annoying. Time they hear an opinion they don't like, they turn into Jon Stewart and Bill Maher with the clapback. And you have to remember that what might fly on an "entertainment show" or cable news panel doesn't necessarily work around the kitchen table. 

And I think one of the reasons Trump made such in-roads with virtually every demographic is not because he's such a great man, but because so many people have been alienated over 1-2 issues that don't track with the Democrats' platform. I have a friend (who's a Democrat) who posted a several weeks before the election that liberals need to 1) remove their pronouns from their bios/work correspondence (unless you're trans), 2) stop talking about reproductive rights as if it's a federal issue, 3) do not even entertain the idea of "family-friendly drag shows, and 4) stop calling people who want to deport illegal immigrants "xenophobes", and he got raked over the coals. His point was that these things make us look more "fringe" than we can afford going into an important election. 

I'd forgotten he even said that until I saw stories about AOC dropping the pronouns from her Twitter/X bio after the election. 

I still believe what I believe, but I have to be honest, I've softened a bit to the right-wing people in my life and in general. In my experience it's way easier to converse with them, debate, and disagree without getting yelled at, cursed at, name-called or blocked/banned. Usually when I'm faced with that type of reaction, it's one of the handful of times I pipe up about dissenting with the left (whom I mostly agree with). Go figure. 

**btw: I wanted to mention that I wasn't emphasizing going to college as a way to talk down about anybody from an intellectual standpoint. I'm just saying you meet different people, you get exposed to different points or view and ideologies, and you learn to think critically (and hopefully how to form a cogent argument) in college. You come to learn to expect and respect that trait in others...not realizing there's a whole world of people who don't. 

But I’ve been mostly shit on by republicans.  By MAGA.  I’m too tired to talk about it.  

[PRgal]

14 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

A big problem is being intelligent is considered elitist.  There is nothing wrong with being smart.  But Republicans have demonized it.  Especially the ones who have Ivy League educations.   And having truly dumb people like Trump and Miss Bobble Head continue to get rewarded doesn't help.

Which is why schools are horrible now.  And why even to many faculty, having a "different" opinion is demonized.  It was to an extent 20-something years ago when I was an undergrad, but it's even more extreme now.  My son is only in Grade 1 where school means figuring out how to pronounce tricky words, addition, subtraction, learning about the seasons, etc...they do learn about differences in fact or opinion, of course, but it's more in line of "my favourite food is pizza" being an opinion and tomato sauce is red being fact (we can't even get into pizza is made from wheat anymore because there's gluten free crust and keto crust!).

ETA:  what I mean by hating everyone/anyone who isn't like you would be like pizza HAS to have pepperoni and anyone who DOESN'T like pepperoni is not my friend.  Which means I can't be that person's friend.  

Edited Wednesday at 08:07 PM by PRgal

[Anela]

Also, abortion is a federal issue.  I’m not going to cave for “pronouns in bio!” Idiots, when that isn’t an argument.  And the few people I know who enjoyed being told they were “sensible democrats” by ultra-MAGA, were the ones who voted for him in 2020, and I’m guessing this year, too.

[nokat]

When it became your body, my choice, I got so angry. How have incels taken over?

I had access to birth control, which I used so I didn't have to make a choice, but I certainly do not judge.

Edited Wednesday at 08:18 PM by nokat

[bluegirl147]

4 minutes ago, Anela said:

Also, abortion is a federal issue.  I’m not going to cave for “pronouns in bio!” Idiots, when that isn’t an argument.  And the few people I know who enjoyed being told they were “sensible democrats” by ultra-MAGA, were the ones who voted for him in 2020, and I’m guessing this year, too.

Sorry not sorry but I hold 2016 Trump voters and Dems who stayed home responsible for the Dobbs decision.  Everyone knew he was going to appoint Justices who would overturn Roe.

 

2 minutes ago, nokat said:

When it became your body, my choice, I got so angry. How have incels taken over?

Trump and Musk too would have been incels if they hadn't been born rich. It's not like their looks or personality would draw women.

[peacheslatour]

17 minutes ago, PRgal said:

Which is why schools are horrible now.  And why even to many faculty, having a "different" opinion is demonized.  It was to an extent 20-something years ago when I was an undergrad, but it's even more extreme now.  My son is only in Grade 1 where school means figuring out how to pronounce tricky words, addition, subtraction, learning about the seasons, etc...they do learn about differences in fact or opinion, of course, but it's more in line of "my favourite food is pizza" being an opinion and tomato sauce is red being fact (we can't even get into pizza is made from wheat anymore because there's gluten free crust and keto crust!).

ETA:  what I mean by hating everyone/anyone who isn't like you would be like pizza HAS to have pepperoni and anyone who DOESN'T like pepperoni is not my friend.  Which means I can't be that person's friend.  

I'm sorry but I don't want to date, be friends with or spend any time with people who consider people of color dirty, lazy animals, want to strip women of their rights and if you think they're going to stop with abortion, I have news for you. I've seen several Republican lawmakers declare that they aim to outlaw contraception, marital rape laws and no-fault divorce. We'll be back to the first half of the twentieth century when women weren't allowed to own property, apply for credit accounts or even further back, take away our right to vote altogether. There is a war on women going on right under our noses and if we don't wake up, it will be over.

[bluegirl147]

4 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

I'm sorry but I don't want to date, be friends with or spend any time with people who consider people of color dirty, lazy animals, want to strip women of their rights and if you think they're going to stop with abortion, I have news for you. I've seen several Republican lawmakers declare that they aim to outlaw contraception, marital rape laws and no-fault divorce. We'll be back to the first half of the twentieth century when women weren't allowed to own property, apply for credit accounts or even further back, take away our right to vote altogether. There is a war on women going on right under our noses and if we don't wake up, it will be over.

Amen sister. 

There is a reason we are seeing so many "Trad Wife" influencers.  They want young women to want to be subservient and totally dependent on their husbands.

[peacheslatour]

4 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

Amen sister. 

There is a reason we are seeing so many "Trad Wife" influencers.  They want young women to want to be subservient and totally dependent on their husbands.

Yep and then after they crank out a few kids and aren't as "sweet" as they once were, their husbands will dump them for a younger model an Mrs. Tradwife will find herself with no job skills, no financial independence or education. 

[PRgal]

19 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

I'm sorry but I don't want to date, be friends with or spend any time with people who consider people of color dirty, lazy animals, want to strip women of their rights and if you think they're going to stop with abortion, I have news for you. I've seen several Republican lawmakers declare that they aim to outlaw contraception, marital rape laws and no-fault divorce. We'll be back to the first half of the twentieth century when women weren't allowed to own property, apply for credit accounts or even further back, take away our right to vote altogether. There is a war on women going on right under our noses and if we don't wake up, it will be over.

One is allowed to agree to disagree.  And I disagree on the tradwife situation even though I would not use that term (see my point on Bree Drummond and the like).  Stay at home mothers are not a bad thing.  Doing housework is not a bad thing.  Most tradwives are tradwives because they choose to, not because their husbands make them.  Or their fathers (heck, even mothers, because in many cultures, it's the MOM who rules the house (especially the daughters), and the ones who judge/criticize their children's decisions of potential spouses.  Or what makes a good spouse.  Depending on culture, education level of both sexes may matter.  Heck, even the SCHOOL they went to, down to the degree(s) and job they hold). 

ETA:  As for my personal views on abortion, it's the woman's right to choose.  However, I've heard very stories of very premature babies being born and the hospitals not resuscitating them because they did not meet the minimum 24 weeks.  At the same time, they were also not considered stillborn.  

Edited Wednesday at 08:51 PM by PRgal

[tres bien]

People want to believe once a law’s passed that’s it let’s move on. Wrong. Not anymore. We saw it during Trump’s Supreme Court justice’s hearings. The all lied. The dems knew but some dems (Diane Feinstein) didn’t give a fuck. Even my husband insisted as far back as 2011 that Roe could never be overturned even though in our crazy neighbor South Dakota there were whispers. Didn’t go well between the two of us 😏

Just because abortion rights don’t affect you or your family or friends it still affects everyone. It’s stripping people of their rights. I’m already bracing for what will happen to gay rights 

[nokat]

15 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Yep and then after they crank out a few kids and aren't as "sweet" as they once were, their husbands will dump them for a younger model an Mrs. Tradwife will find herself with no job skills, no financial independence or education. 

I remember getting told to never rely on a man. Have your own assets in order.  
Also your own career.

[bluegirl147]

21 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

 

For me there is a difference between a stay at home wife/mother and a trad wife.  SAHM is a choice that works (hopefully) for families. Trad wives are selling the illusion that staying home is what is best. There is that condescension that if you aren't "traditional"  you are living your life wrong.  And funny how you never see Trad Wives struggling to pay their family's bills.

[peacheslatour]

7 minutes ago, PRgal said:

One is allowed to agree to disagree.  And I disagree on the tradwife situation even though I would not use that term (see my point on Bree Drummond and the like).  Stay at home mothers are not a bad thing.  Doing housework is not a bad thing.  Most tradwives are tradwives because they choose to, not because their husbands make them.  Or their fathers (heck, even mothers, because in many cultures, it's the MOM who rules the house (especially the daughters), and the ones who judge/criticize their children's decisions of potential spouses.  Or what makes a good spouse.  Depending on culture, education level of both sexes may matter.  Heck, even the SCHOOL they went to, down to the degree(s) and job they hold). 

ETA:  As for my personal views on abortion, it's the woman's right to choose.  However, I've heard very stories of very premature babies being born and the hospitals not resuscitating them because they did not meet the minimum 24 weeks.  At the same time, they were also not considered stillborn.  

Anecdote is not data. My mom went the whole homemaker route, she got her MRS degree, married a Yale man and after 5 or 6 years went back to work. She didn't glorify what she did nor did she consider it a calling. She owned several business' all of them successful. And you're right, nobody forced her to stay home with me until I started school, she was lucky they could afford it. I guess what bugs me most about the Tradwife movement is that there are very few Tradhusbands. I've seen too many guys with no money, no education, a crummy job who want a bangmaid who works full time. pays for half of everything, does all the housework and childcare and be ready with dinner on the table in a teddy hot to trot.

[nokat]

1 minute ago, tres bien said:

People want to believe once a law’s passed that’s it let’s move on. Wrong. Not anymore. We saw it during Trump’s Supreme Court justice’s hearings. The all lied. The dems knew but some dems (Diane Feinstein) didn’t give a fuck. Even my husband insisted as far back as 2011 that Roe could never be overturned even though in our crazy neighbor South Dakota there were whispers. Didn’t go well between the two of us 😏

Just because abortion rights don’t affect you or your family or friends it still affects everyone. It’s stripping people of their rights. I’m already bracing for what will happen to gay rights 

Oh yeah, first the women, then LGBTQ+. The hatred doesn't stop.

[27bored]

1 hour ago, bluegirl147 said:

A big problem is being intelligent is considered elitist.  There is nothing wrong with being smart.  But Republicans have demonized it.  Especially the ones who have Ivy League educations.   And having truly dumb people like Trump and Miss Bobble Head continue to get rewarded doesn't help.

I don't think Republicans have cornered the market on demonizing intelligence. As a matter of fact, I think both parties get a lot of mileage on political ignorance. One of the reasons I'm loathe to talk about politics with either side is because I usually have to spend too much time "prosecuting a case" instead of simply sharing my opinion. After having to tell people "facts are facts" and "that's not actually what was said" and "hang on, let me bring up Google so I can show...", I start checking out entirely. Again, this happens on both sides.

42 minutes ago, Anela said:

Also, abortion is a federal issue.  I’m not going to cave for “pronouns in bio!” Idiots, when that isn’t an argument.  And the few people I know who enjoyed being told they were “sensible democrats” by ultra-MAGA, were the ones who voted for him in 2020, and I’m guessing this year, too.

Abortion is not a federal issue. Each state is free to pass its own policy on abortion, and many of these state-level referendums have passed. 

I didn't ask but I think the pronouns thing is mostly a "one band one sound" issue. Meaning, I've heard seen liberals kind of roll their eyes at the pronouns in people's bios because it signals that you're One Of Those People. When it comes to national elections, I think Democrats have to learn how to play to the center and part of doing that is by telling the radical lefties to turn it down for awhile. 

[peacheslatour]

21 minutes ago, 27bored said:

I don't think Republicans have cornered the market on demonizing intelligence. As a matter of fact, I think both parties get a lot of mileage on political ignorance. One of the reasons I'm loathe to talk about politics with either side is because I usually have to spend too much time "prosecuting a case" instead of simply sharing my opinion. After having to tell people "facts are facts" and "that's not actually what was said" and "hang on, let me bring up Google so I can show...", I start checking out entirely. Again, this happens on both sides.

Abortion is not a federal issue. Each state is free to pass its own policy on abortion, and many of these state-level referendums have passed. 

I didn't ask but I think the pronouns thing is mostly a "one band one sound" issue. Meaning, I've heard seen liberals kind of roll their eyes at the pronouns in people's bios because it signals that you're One Of Those People. When it comes to national elections, I think Democrats have to learn how to play to the center and part of doing that is by telling the radical lefties to turn it down for awhile. 

Then you have states that offer bounty's on women who try to leave the state, want to track their menstrual cycles, stop them at the state lines. It doesn't end at the state level. My own state was subpoenaed by Texas to turn over any medical records of women who had come here for abortions. Of course our Atty. General told them to fuck right off, But they will use the courts, their statehouses and even try to overturn mandates ( and I'm not talking Trump "mandates") from the voters like in Kansas and Ohio.

Edited Wednesday at 09:24 PM by peacheslatour

[Anela]

44 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Yep and then after they crank out a few kids and aren't as "sweet" as they once were, their husbands will dump them for a younger model an Mrs. Tradwife will find herself with no job skills, no financial independence or education. 

See Lara Trump drinking Trump wine, as her toddler cries beside her: https://www.instagram.com/wordclown/reel/C-F4myROgKq/  if she believes this is the job she was put on this earth to do, why did she post that video? 
 

24 minutes ago, 27bored said:

I don't think Republicans have cornered the market on demonizing intelligence. As a matter of fact, I think both parties get a lot of mileage on political ignorance. One of the reasons I'm loathe to talk about politics with either side is because I usually have to spend too much time "prosecuting a case" instead of simply sharing my opinion. After having to tell people "facts are facts" and "that's not actually what was said" and "hang on, let me bring up Google so I can show...", I start checking out entirely. Again, this happens on both sides.

Abortion is not a federal issue. Each state is free to pass its own policy on abortion, and many of these state-level referendums have passed. 

I didn't ask but I think the pronouns thing is mostly a "one band one sound" issue. Meaning, I've heard seen liberals kind of roll their eyes at the pronouns in people's bios because it signals that you're One Of Those People. When it comes to national elections, I think Democrats have to learn how to play to the center and part of doing that is by telling the radical lefties to turn it down for awhile. 

It WAS a federal issue, and that status never should have changed.  We voted to have abortion rights enshrined into our constitution in 2023, and the GOP who have a grip on our State, are STILL fighting it.  

project 2025 is also still a thing.  They want the ban enforced federally, for the entire country.  

11 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Then you have states that offer bounty's on women who try to leave the state, want to track their menstrual cycles, stop them at the state lines. It doesn't end at the state level. My own state was subpoenaed by Texas to turn over any medical records of women who had come here for abortions. Of course our Sect. General told them to fuck right off, But they will use the courts, their statehouses and even try to overturn mandates ( and I'm not talking Trump "mandates") from the voters like in Kansas and Ohio.

Exactly.  They want medical records from out-of-state.  They want to track anyone who could get an abortion. One state recently put forth the idea of charging women with the death penalty, if they get an abortion. I think Texas did that before, too.  

Edited Wednesday at 09:26 PM by Anela
Project 2925 wouldn’t be a worry for any of us. Typo.

[PRgal]

19 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Anecdote is not data. My mom went the whole homemaker route, she got her MRS degree, married a Yale man and after 5 or 6 years went back to work. She didn't glorify what she did nor did she consider it a calling. She owned several business' all of them successful. And you're right, nobody forced her to stay home with me until I started school, she was lucky they could afford it. I guess what bugs me most about the Tradwife movement is that there are very few Tradhusbands. I've seen too many guys with no money, no education, a crummy job who want a bangmaid who works full time. pays for half of everything, does all the housework and childcare and be ready with dinner on the table in a teddy hot to trot.

I suppose I need to expand my circle a bit because almost everyone I know personally (GenXers, Xennials and true millennials, anyway) has at least a bachelor’s degree and has spent some time in the workforce.  I have a few acquaintances without but they all went to trade school and have good paying jobs.  I don’t know about their debt situation, I mean, it’s not something we talk about…..school is more affordable in Canada, so I don’t think they’re worrying too much about repaying their student loans if they still have any.  It’s mostly mortgage and car payments. 

[Anela]

1 hour ago, PRgal said:

Which is why schools are horrible now.  And why even to many faculty, having a "different" opinion is demonized.  It was to an extent 20-something years ago when I was an undergrad, but it's even more extreme now.  My son is only in Grade 1 where school means figuring out how to pronounce tricky words, addition, subtraction, learning about the seasons, etc...they do learn about differences in fact or opinion, of course, but it's more in line of "my favourite food is pizza" being an opinion and tomato sauce is red being fact (we can't even get into pizza is made from wheat anymore because there's gluten free crust and keto crust!).

ETA:  what I mean by hating everyone/anyone who isn't like you would be like pizza HAS to have pepperoni and anyone who DOESN'T like pepperoni is not my friend.  Which means I can't be that person's friend.  

I don’t hate everyone who isn’t like me.  I have seen that a lot from MAGA.  

[Dimity]

1 hour ago, PRgal said:

Which is why schools are horrible now. 

My grandkids and their parents would disagree with this. 

[tres bien]

Ah yes then we have the ever despicable Ron DeSantis who has allowed the banning of books, tried to outlaw drag shows, eliminated AP courses from high schools (AP African American studies but not AP German!), put a six week abortion ban in place that the voters were not able to overturn because it required 60% if the voters but it only got 58% oh yeah and sued Disney only for Disney to win and now turn around and pay Trump millions.
When the fuck does it end.

I get very worked up about FL for a million reasons because part of my precious life is spent living there while in MN the rest of the year I don’t have to think about these kooks 

[Anela]

3 minutes ago, tres bien said:

Ah yes then we have the ever despicable Ron DeSantis who has allowed the banning of books, tried to outlaw drag shows, eliminated AP courses from high schools (AP African American studies but not AP German!), put a six week abortion ban in place that the voters were not able to overturn because it required 60% if the voters but it only got 58% oh yeah and sued Disney only for Disney to win and now turn around and pay Trump millions.
When the fuck does it end.

I get very worked up about FL for a million reasons because part of my precious life is spent living there while in MN the rest of the year I don’t have to think about these kooks 

And yet we’re told that democrats are the problem. 
Ohio gop tried to enact a new law requiring 60% of the vote to pass new laws, instead of 50%+. Luckily, that one didn’t pass. They were trying to get ahead of our vote on abortion. 

Edited Wednesday at 09:34 PM by Anela

[bluegirl147]

Having body autonomy shouldn't be dictated by what state you live in.

I think a lot of Republicans were shocked by how much outrage there was over repeating Roe. And even more shocked when states like Ohio and Kansas passed laws to keep it legal.   They always underestimate how unpopular their policies on social issues are. And when they find out just how hated they are they ignore that and push for more cruel and punishing laws.  

Edited Wednesday at 09:42 PM by bluegirl147

[PRgal]

13 minutes ago, Dimity said:

My grandkids and their parents would disagree with this. 

Well, you often either have to be lucky enough to live (be able to move to) a good catchment area or be lucky to get into a good school.  French immersion application season and the wait to find out whether your child is placed in the immersion school of choice is stressful for parents in circle who aren’t sending their kids to private schools. And for us private school parents, the application and assessment (for kindergarten, this includes a group play session for the kids and interview with the parent(s)) is crazy itself as well.  
 

ETA:  French immersion starts in JK in the TDSB (Toronto District School Board).  I realize this can vary depending on jurisdiction, even within Ontario. 

Edited Wednesday at 09:45 PM by PRgal

[JustHereForFood]

3 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

That's is becoming hilariously/painfully apparent, depending on what is important to people. With Musk calling American workers "r*******", telling the MAGA folks to "go fuck themselves" and just the other day, laying off hundreds of workers in Texas, whom he will presumably replace with H1 B workers form Asia and now Trump has backed him on all of it. I don't think the anti-immigration people are getting what they thought they were voting for.

I hope this is not forgotten in the next debate about who is dismissive of white uneducated people.

 

56 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

Amen sister. 

There is a reason we are seeing so many "Trad Wife" influencers.  They want young women to want to be subservient and totally dependent on their husbands.

I wonder how much of this is just people not wanting to work and that mindset being normalized so much lately. I grew up with the general idea that everybody has a job, unless they are disabled or have any temporal reason for a break, like parental leave or illness, short sabbatical, or unless they can't find a job. Do I like it? No, but that is the reality, people need to work, otherwise how would the society function? But now so many left-leaning young people seem to think that that is some capitalistic trap (LOL, as if the working conditions weren't much worse before capitalism) and even that people are somehow entitled to receive basic income from the government without having any job (I wonder where do they think the government get that money).

I wonder if there are young women who grew up around this entitled mindset and now simply see an opportunity to get there in being stay at home wives. (Maybe my perception is different because stay at home wives were not a thing in my country due to decades of socialism when everybody had to have a job - funny how many people on the left ignore that that was one one of the principles of leftist ideology.)

[tres bien]

A lot of Republicans may have been shocked that Roe was overturned but apparently not enough. I don’t see where they paid a price. They literally won the lottery in 2024

[peacheslatour]

6 minutes ago, tres bien said:

A lot of Republicans may have been shocked that Roe was overturned but apparently not enough. I don’t see where they paid a price. They literally won the lottery in 2024

What they did not expect was Musk. I have seen so many tweets to the effect that they feel totally bamboozled by Leon's plans to bring in workers from overseas to take the jobs American workers feel entitled to. I don't think the tariffs are going to lower any prices, on the contrary, prices will go up. No, I wouldn't call it winning any more than it was last time.

[Absolom]

1 hour ago, PRgal said:

ETA:  As for my personal views on abortion, it's the woman's right to choose.  However, I've heard very stories of very premature babies being born and the hospitals not resuscitating them because they did not meet the minimum 24 weeks.  At the same time, they were also not considered stillborn.  

Who does that?  Our local hospital resuscitates 22 weekers and they live.  They have a high chance of a lifelong impairment, but not all are impaired.

[DXD526]

With all this TradWife talk, what I'd like to know is, how do they pay the bills? Their husbands must have great jobs. Who can support a family on one salary these days? Wives started going to work not because of 'women's lib,' but because families needed the money. They do now more than ever. Are employers going to give men huge increases in pay, so their wives can afford to stay home?

If not, I don't know how this is supposed to work.

[PRgal]

16 minutes ago, Absolom said:

Who does that?  Our local hospital resuscitates 22 weekers and they live.  They have a high chance of a lifelong impairment, but not all are impaired.

This came from a woman I spoke with who was looking for a surrogate and to share her story.  She lived in Toronto.  She said she and her husband begged and said pleaded but the hospital said they couldn’t do it.  Maybe I misremembered the number of weeks she was along but that was the story.  Their baby lived a few minutes.  

Edited Wednesday at 10:40 PM by PRgal

[fastiller]

8 minutes ago, DXD526 said:

With all this TradWife talk, what I'd like to know is, how do they pay the bills? Their husbands must have great jobs. Who can support a family on one salary these days? Wives started going to work not because of 'women's lib,' but because families needed the money. They do now more than ever. Are employers going to give men huge increases in pay, so their wives can afford to stay home?

If not, I don't know how this is supposed to work.

They monetize their TradWife status. IDK how influencers make money, but I'd imagine TradWives have a similar revenue stream.

[tearknee]

2 hours ago, nokat said:

Being knowledgeable has become a slur. 

No isn't. Most people don't go to university and the last thing tertiary-educated postgrads are is ordinary people.

[Ohiopirate02]

1 minute ago, DXD526 said:

With all this TradWife talk, what I'd like to know is, how do they pay the bills? Their husbands must have great jobs. Who can support a family on one salary these days? Wives started going to work not because of 'women's lib,' but because families needed the money. They do now more than ever. Are employers going to give men huge increases in pay, so their wives can afford to stay home?

If not, I don't know how this is supposed to work.

The tradwife influencers are all actually working. Quality content requires planning, research, filming, editing, and scheduling. They just pretend they are not. And this goes for all kinds of content creators. A lot of them also have family money that funds their lifestyle that they never acknowledge. 

The rest of the tradwives either found a husband with money or live in poverty. A lot of them also have a side hustle typically a MLM business. Part-time jobs are also acceptable for some. It depends on their theology and their level of cognitive dissonance. 

[peacheslatour]

5 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

The tradwife influencers are all actually working. Quality content requires planning, research, filming, editing, and scheduling. They just pretend they are not. And this goes for all kinds of content creators. A lot of them also have family money that funds their lifestyle that they never acknowledge. 

The rest of the tradwives either found a husband with money or live in poverty. A lot of them also have a side hustle typically a MLM business. Part-time jobs are also acceptable for some. It depends on their theology and their level of cognitive dissonance. 

And there's always Only Fans.