Chit-Chat: The Feels

[peacheslatour]

Just now, Ohiopirate02 said:

IMHO, they still would have voted the way they did even if they knew. They don't care about anything outside of their bubble, and as long as Trump's policies do not pierce that bubble, they will continue to not care. 

What shocks me the most is that Gen Z males are turning to the right in record numbers. I would imagine most of them grew up with working mothers and so many of them have fallen into this Joe Rogan/Andrew Tate black hole, they really hate women. I just don't get it.

[Ohiopirate02]

14 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

Yep. Too many men just still can't get over their perceived threats to their masculinity. I have said before that the whole freakout over transgender women in sports is just the age old, "But what if I get beat by a GIRL?!?1" with a new face. 

That freak out is also deeply rooted in racism. More often than not, the trans athlete is a WOC, and it's the 4th or 5th place athlete who puts up the most fuss about losing to a transwoman.

[Palimelon]

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What shocks me the most is that Gen Z males are turning to the right in record numbers. I would imagine most of them grew up with working mothers and so many of them have fallen into this Joe Rogan/Andrew Tate black hole, they really hate women. I just don't get it.

Google "why are gen z males turning to trump"...apparently, this isn't a new thing, if the article dates are something to go by, as there are quite a few articles going back months.

[Is Everyone Gone]

Can confirm this. I work with kids who are almost all immigrants and POC. Andrew Tate and Joe Rogan are hugely popular. Many girls want to be trad wife influencers. Its shocking.

[Ohiopirate02]

Just now, Palimelon said:

Google "why are gen z males turning to trump"...apparently, this isn't a new thing, if the article dates are something to go by, as there are quite a few articles going back months.

It's also a worldwide issue. 

[Annber03]

5 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

That freak out is also deeply rooted in racism. More often than not, the trans athlete is a WOC, and it's the 4th or 5th place athlete who puts up the most fuss about losing to a transwoman.

Absolutely. It's just a nasty mix of some of the worst attitudes towards women and minorities as a whole. 

[oliviabenson]

I ate my weight in candy today. What a awful day. 

[Ohiopirate02]

2 minutes ago, Is Everyone Gone said:

Can confirm this. I work with kids who are almost all immigrants and POC. Andrew Tate and Joe Rogan are hugely popular. Many girls want to be trad wife influencers. Its shocking.

The girls want to be trad wife influencers because they are ignorant of how much work being a trad wife is and also how much work being an influencer really is. All they see is a beautiful woman in a beautiful house puttering around and want that.

[Palimelon]

Interestingly enough, most of the ire seems to be directed at transgender women athletes...you rarely hear cases about transgender male athletes.

[Soapy Goddess]

9 hours ago, Yeah No said:

The biggest problem with Kamala is that she didn't hit enough of a nerve. Maybe she didn't have enough time to achieve that or maybe she just didn't have the ability to do that so well.

Bingo!

[Annber03]

2 minutes ago, Palimelon said:

Interestingly enough, most of the ire seems to be directed at transgender women athletes...you rarely hear cases about transgender male athletes.

Because at the end of the day, being a man is clearly the most important thing. 

[shapeshifter]

2 hours ago, Annber03 said:

That's the most infuriating part of all of this for me. None of this would even be an issue at all if he'd been permanently barred from ever being allowed to run again after January 6th, or after being declared a convicted felon. January 6th should've been the end of his political career. Full stop. It sure as fuck would've been for any other politiician. 

I seem to recall reading in the NY Times that there some rulings against him and sentencings that judges put on hold until after the election that could still prevent him from taking office on January 20? 
I could look it up, but better to just wait and see if it's mentioned in the media at large. 
I'm pretty sure Biden could order the release of the recently publicized Epstein Papers that are choc full of trump, but that sounds like a can of worms in every way possible.

[Palimelon]

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I'm pretty sure Biden could order the release of the recently publicized Epstein Papers that are choc full of trump, but that sounds like a can of worms in every way possible.

Probably because if might have to include people from his own party and/or donors to his party.

[Annber03]

1 minute ago, shapeshifter said:

I seem to recall reading in the NY Times that there some rulings against him and sentencings that judges put on hold until after the election that could still prevent him from taking office on January 20? 
I could look it up, but better to just wait and see if it's mentioned in the media at large. 

Lord, that'd be wonderful if that were the case. I'm obviously not going to hold my breath on that happening, but...yeah. 

[BetyBee]

Horrible outcome. I've made some changes today. I deleted my FB account. I don't really follow any MAGAs anymore, but I have been wanting to delete it forever and only kept it going because my Mom loved FB. She passed away last year. I just don't feel safe there and it's boring! I have unfollowed all of the fundie "influencers" everywhere, even on snark sites. It's not fun to see them gloating over their orange god's success. I needed a new hobby anyway, lol. I love to read, so reading books should keep me busy. Also talking to friends and my husband. I listen to a lot of political podcasts, but it's too soon to get back to that. I guess I'll up my streaming of shows. My heart breaks for the people of Ukraine and Eastern Europe (Putin wants their countries) and I fear for the Palestinian people - for the whole world actually. 😭

[Ohiopirate02]

4 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

I seem to recall reading in the NY Times that there some rulings against him and sentencings that judges put on hold until after the election that could still prevent him from taking office on January 20? 
I could look it up, but better to just wait and see if it's mentioned in the media at large. 
I'm pretty sure Biden could order the release of the recently publicized Epstein Papers that are choc full of trump, but that sounds like a can of worms in every way possible.

He does need to be sentenced for those state of NY charges he was found guilty of earlier this year. The judge postponed sentencing until later this month or next month. I hope and pray the state and judge do not back down and follow through on this. I can't imagine them being willing to postpone sentencing until January 2029. 

[peacheslatour]

13 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

The girls want to be trad wife influencers because they are ignorant of how much work being a trad wife is and also how much work being an influencer really is. All they see is a beautiful woman in a beautiful house puttering around and want that.

And as soon as the bloom is off the rose, their husbands will dump them for a younger model and they'll be left with no money, no marketable skills and no future.

Edited November 6 by peacheslatour

[nokat]

5 hours ago, SeanBug said:

So he could do this "eliminate political opponents with no repercussion" thing. 

 

He has been all about eliminating the internal threat. That is you. You are the threat.

[Ohiopirate02]

1 minute ago, BetyBee said:

Horrible outcome. I've made some changes today. I deleted my FB account. I don't really follow any MAGAs anymore, but I have been wanting to delete it forever and only kept it going because my Mom loved FB. She passed away last year. I just don't feel safe there and it's boring! I have unfollowed all of the fundie "influencers" everywhere, even on snark sites. It's not fun to see them gloating over their orange god's success. I needed a new hobby anyway, lol. I love to read, so reading books should keep me busy. Also talking to friends and my husband. I listen to a lot of political podcasts, but it's too soon to get back to that. I guess I'll up my streaming of shows. My heart breaks for the people of Ukraine and Eastern Europe (Putin wants their countries) and I fear for the Palestinian people - for the whole world actually. 😭

I deleted my Twitter this morning. I'm only holding on the FB because that is where a lot of my family is. I am refusing to make doomscrolling a habit. I will instead retreat into the world of fiction.

[SeanBug]

1 hour ago, PRgal said:

I'm still saying they're not encouraged/allowed to share (and that telling them they should be happy that they're guys is nowhere CLOSE to enough and in fact, very dismissive and insulting) and I'm sticking to it.  

 

@SeanBug:  But how many MORE female doctors do you know versus male RNs?  Female elementary school teachers vs. guys, especially at the lowest grades?  What about preschool?

I don't work in healthcare so I don't interact with a lot of male RNs, but here is actual data:

As of 2023, men make up about 12.6% of registered nurses (RNs) in the United States, which is a higher percentage than at any other time in history. This is an increase from 7% in 2008. 

I'll assume boys make this decision when they are older, not when they're in elementary school.   I can't speak to the male toxicity of fathers, or other male role models who tell boys that's a girl's job. 

As far as teachers

Female elementary teachers: Approximately 89% 

Male elementary teachers: Around 11% 

Men are leaving teaching probably due to the low salary.  In strong union states, the percentage of male teachers is higher.  We just had a VP candidate who had been a high school teacher and coach, so if anything that's a good sign for boys wanting to pursue that career. 

 Let's get back to the issue at hand, the election of Donald Trump. Talking about men and their roles in society, we'll save for another day.

1 minute ago, nokat said:

He has been all about eliminating the internal threat. That is you. You are the threat.

No I was talking about Biden. Someone upthread asked if Biden couldn't use that presidential immunity ruling from SCOTUS. 

[Ohiopirate02]

1 minute ago, peacheslatour said:

And as soon as the bloom is off the rose, their husbands will dump them for a younger model and they'll be left with no money, no marketable skills and no future.

Yep, but they refuse to see it. I do think one of the reasons why we are regressing as a country is because we do not have a touchpoint to those bad times anymore. 

[Palimelon]

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I am refusing to make doomscrolling a habit

I'd like to, but then I'd miss memes like this:

"I've just turned off the news and put on a serial killer documentary to relax".

I mean, I shouldn't have laughed at that, but I did.

[Annber03]

8 minutes ago, BetyBee said:

I deleted my FB account. I don't really follow any MAGAs anymore, but I have been wanting to delete it forever and only kept it going because my Mom loved FB. 

Maybe I should do that, too. Certainly not like I'm on there as it is. 

[kittykat]

29 minutes ago, oliviabenson said:

I ate my weight in candy today. What a awful day. 

Right.  Halloween pity candy ftw.  

The irony of taking a huge step towards fascism on Guy Fawkes Day was not lost on me.

[oliviabenson]

17 minutes ago, BetyBee said:

Horrible outcome. I've made some changes today. I deleted my FB account. I don't really follow any MAGAs anymore, but I have been wanting to delete it forever and only kept it going because my Mom loved FB. She passed away last year. I just don't feel safe there and it's boring! I have unfollowed all of the fundie "influencers" everywhere, even on snark sites. It's not fun to see them gloating over their orange god's success. I needed a new hobby anyway, lol. I love to read, so reading books should keep me busy. Also talking to friends and my husband. I listen to a lot of political podcasts, but it's too soon to get back to that. I guess I'll up my streaming of shows. My heart breaks for the people of Ukraine and Eastern Europe (Putin wants their countries) and I fear for the Palestinian people - for the whole world actually. 😭

Hugs to you. 

[Soapy Goddess]

2 hours ago, lookeyloo said:

I just can't be friends or associate with anyone who voted for him.

Isn't that just another form of prejudice?

[peacheslatour]

32 minutes ago, oliviabenson said:

I ate my weight in candy today. What a awful day. 

I made a chocolate cake with chocolate ganache frosting and ate my weight in coffee ice cream. The cake is for when my husband comes home. Poor boy was very distraught this morning. We usually don't eat these things but I wanted to keep busy, it helps me to not dwell.

[lookeyloo]

Just now, Soapy Goddess said:

Isn't that just another form of prejudice?

Sure - why not. Except it is on the basis of their views, not on something they were born as.  Views can be changed.  I'm sure we all have biases or prejudices for one thing or another.  It doesn't have to be on ethnicity, race, gender, religion, etc.

[peacheslatour]

4 minutes ago, lookeyloo said:

Sure - why not. Except it is on the basis of their views, not on something they were born as.  Views can be changed.  I'm sure we all have biases or prejudices for one thing or another.  It doesn't have to be on ethnicity, race, gender, religion, etc.

Exactly. People can't change their skin color, their sexuality or their nation of birth. They certainly can change their attitudes and beliefs.

[oliviabenson]

14 minutes ago, kittykat said:

Right.  Halloween pity candy ftw.  

The irony of taking a huge step towards fascism on Guy Fawkes Day was not lost on me.

I did get  treats after Halloween for cheap. 

Edited November 6 by oliviabenson

[SeanBug]

44 minutes ago, oliviabenson said:

I ate my weight in candy today. What a awful day. 

I was briefly cheered up by a video taken at the Indpls airport. Taylor Swift was here last weekend so there are tons of fans waiting to fly home. 

The pianist in the concourse was asked by a group of young women if he knew any Taylor Swift songs, and he played Love Story. The girls started singing and a huge crowd walked over and joined in. It was like something out of a movie. 

And the only reason I know Love Story is because it's in one of my favorite episodes of The Bear, when Richie leaves Forks after having a great night. 

Tomorrow will be better. And the next day will be better. As Kamala Harris said a little while ago, when it's the very darkest is when all the stars are visible. 

Don't let this break us.  

[Anela]

53 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

What shocks me the most is that Gen Z males are turning to the right in record numbers. I would imagine most of them grew up with working mothers and so many of them have fallen into this Joe Rogan/Andrew Tate black hole, they really hate women. I just don't get it.

If you look up people like Nick Mercs, Adin Ross (big streamers, multi-millionaires), Faze Banks, who owns an esports company called Faze (most of them are not the greatest guys), you'll see one way they're getting boys and young men. Too many kids and guys will go into a woman's stream, and tell them to get in the kitchen, and you don't want to hear some of the things they say to girls and women who play video games with people they don't know. I turn off the mic and chat, a lot. Trump did a stream with Adin Ross.

46 minutes ago, Is Everyone Gone said:

Can confirm this. I work with kids who are almost all immigrants and POC. Andrew Tate and Joe Rogan are hugely popular. Many girls want to be trad wife influencers. Its shocking.

Yep. they think they will marry rich, and be Emily Mariko (who seems to be in a good marriage, not a trad-wife, but she became famous thanks to a food reel she posted to tiktok). Those women can make a lot of money through their social media, and I remember some husbands quitting their jobs to work with them. same with some OG mommy bloggers, or food bloggers. But then they aren't dependent on their husbands. 

42 minutes ago, Palimelon said:

Interestingly enough, most of the ire seems to be directed at transgender women athletes...you rarely hear cases about transgender male athletes.

yeah, I've noticed that, too. Cis women and little girls are weaponized, when it comes to trans girls, or women. That's what we're good for, aside from putting ourselves in danger, having babies. 

9 minutes ago, Soapy Goddess said:

Isn't that just another form of prejudice?

No. Those are boundaries. Healthy ones. 

[babyhouseman]

I'm in NC. Upper class white people, not just poor people, just don't like anyone different. Also, religion is strong here,  Southern Baptists especially. A SB minister said Trump represents his platform of being pro life. Trump's not perfect, but God uses villains in the Bible to make a point. That's what this holy man said. The minister in his forties so he's not elderly.

[RealHousewife]

10 minutes ago, oliviabenson said:

I did get  treats after Halloween for cheap. 

Same. Cheap Halloween candy is so satisfying. 

[Is Everyone Gone]

Another thing is I heard a teacher (very pro-Trump) telling a student who was worried that her immigrant parents would be deported:

"Don't worry, she won't be deported, because she's a good immigrant. Only bad immigrants will be deported."

The teacher himself is an immigrant and a POC. I was shocked. But it's a big talking point among Latinos for Trump that they're good immigrants and Trump is only going after "bad" immigrants. 

"Good" immigrants are from Cuba or Venezuela, "bad" immigrants are from Central America or Haiti. The "good" immigrants identify as white, even if they don't look white at all. "Bad" Central American immigrants are mestizo, which is a big deal among a certain type of person.

[Palimelon]

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Cheap Halloween candy is so satisfying

Hah. I posted a video of Ina Garten in the Barefoot Contessa thread where she says something similar.

[shapeshifter]

2 minutes ago, Anela said:

If you look up people like Nick Mercs, Adin Ross (big streamers, multi-millionaires), Faze Banks, who owns an esports company called Faze (most of them are not the greatest guys), you'll see one way they're getting boys and young men. Too many kids and guys will go into a woman's stream, and tell them to get in the kitchen, and you don't want to hear some of the things they say to girls and women who play video games with people they don't know. I turn off the mic and chat, a lot. Trump did a stream with Adin Ross.

Yep. they think they will marry rich, and be Emily Mariko (who seems to be in a good marriage, not a trad-wife, but she became famous thanks to a food reel she posted to tiktok). Those women can make a lot of money through their social media, and I remember some husbands quitting their jobs to work with them. same with some OG mommy bloggers, or food bloggers. But then they aren't dependent on their husbands. 

yeah, I've noticed that, too. Cis women and little girls are weaponized, when it comes to trans girls, or women. That's what we're good for, aside from putting ourselves in danger, having babies. 

Wow. A lot of this seems to me like a reboot of the 1950s and 60s. If the parallel stays the course, a lot of the young wives will eventually get advanced college degrees and change political course. So, hurray, there's hope. Not in my lifetime, but for my 2 tiny grandsons who are being reared by 2 all-in coparents to be respectful of everyone.

 

[Palimelon]

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Trump's not perfect, but God uses villains in the Bible to make a point.

So...God is using Satan's cabana boy to bring about his vision on earth?

 

[Annber03]

Just now, Is Everyone Gone said:

Another thing is I heard a teacher (very pro-Trump) telling a student who was worried that her immigrant parents would be deported:

"Don't worry, she won't be deported, because she's a good immigrant. Only bad immigrants will be deported."

The teacher himself is an immigrant and a POC. I was shocked. But it's a big talking point among Latinos for Trump that they're good immigrants and Trump is only going after "bad" immigrants. 

"Good" immigrants are from Cuba or Venezuela, "bad" immigrants are from Central America or Haiti. The "good" immigrants identify as white, even if they don't look white at all. "Bad" Central American immigrants are mestizo, which is a big deal among a certain type of person.

First off, wow, the idea that person is a teacher is...horrifying. On so many levels.

Second, yep, this is what I've been hearing, too. "Oh, this'll affect those OTHER people. Not me." 

They're in for a hell of a rude awakening, is all I can say. 

22 minutes ago, Soapy Goddess said:

Isn't that just another form of prejudice?

No. Alngside the other reasons above as to why that comparison doesn't work, Trump supporters aren't some persecuted group, contrary to what they want to believe. They complain all the time about other groups playing "the victim card" and yet I've never seen a group of people more eager to act like they're the poor, put upon victims. 

[shapeshifter]

6 minutes ago, Palimelon said:

So...God is using Satan's cabana boy to bring about his vision on earth?

IIRC, it's more like using the villians to make the wayward heroes "straighten up and fly right" (quoting my Mom, who never read a Bible, so maybe Shakespeare).
Also IIRC, I think in the end, after the biblical heroes turned over a new leaf, they get to smite the biblical villains. 
This really would work as a TV series. 

Edited November 6 by shapeshifter

[Is Everyone Gone]

11 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

First off, wow, the idea that person is a teacher is...horrifying. On so many levels.

Second, yep, this is what I've been hearing, too. "Oh, this'll affect those OTHER people. Not me." 

They're in for a hell of a rude awakening, is all I can say. 

Another thing is that the Latinos for Trump often say that they immigrated "the right way" and were "escaping communism." It's a real concern and I dont see the problem becoming better for Democrats, if a large portion of immigrants can listen to all the nativist rhetoric and think "eh, but he's not talking about ME."

[shapeshifter]

5 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

this is what I've been hearing, too. "Oh, this'll affect those OTHER people. Not me." 

2 minutes ago, Is Everyone Gone said:

Another thing is that the Latinos for Trump often say that they immigrated "the right way" and were "escaping communism." It's a real concern and I dont see the problem becoming better for Democrats, if a large portion of immigrants can listen to all the nativist rhetoric and think "eh, but he's not talking about ME."

Based upon a close relationship, I suspect there are many such converts to trumpism who do so out of fear of being labeled as the enemy, which can have impact on employment and otherwise.

[Annber03]

2 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

Based upon a close relationship, I suspect there are many such converts to trumpism who do so out of fear of being labeled as the enemy, which can have impact on employment and otherwise.

That explanation probably makes the most sense to me out of all of them. 

It'll still clearly not work out for them, mind, but the fear of being labeled as the enemy is understadable to some degree. 

[Is Everyone Gone]

18 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

Based upon a close relationship, I suspect there are many such converts to trumpism who do so out of fear of being labeled as the enemy, which can have impact on employment and otherwise.

I have thought about that.

I have also wondered if it's a bit of a class thing. They feel like by joining the Trumpers, they're no longer the "other" and they're mainstream Americans.

[meep.meep]

At least you guys don't have to work for him.  Schedule F is headed my way.

[Soapy Goddess]

26 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

Trump supporters aren't some persecuted group, contrary to what they want to believe. They complain all the time about other groups playing "the victim card" and yet I've never seen a group of people more eager to act like they're the poor, put upon victims. 

And yet their candidate was almost assassinated twice. I'd count that as be victimized, or as DJT being the victim.

[bluegirl147]

2 minutes ago, meep.meep said:

At least you guys don't have to work for him.  Schedule F is headed my way.

This isn't getting talked about enough.  This could make things even worse. 

6 minutes ago, Is Everyone Gone said:

I have thought about that.

I have also wondered if it's a bit of a class thing. They feel like by joining the Trumpers, they're no longer the "other" and they're mainstream Americans.

I do think there are people who thought it's just easier to go along with him.  Not realizing they won't be protected.

[Annber03]

No, it's fragility, plain and simple. Anyone who gets that upset about transgender people in sports, it's because they have very fragile, narrow ideas of what it means to be a man or a woman. 

[Palimelon]

Are There No Athletes Assigned Female at Birth Who Transitioned and Competed in Men's Sports?

[Annber03]

5 minutes ago, Soapy Goddess said:

And yet their candidate was almost assassinated twice. I'd count that as be victimized, or as DJT being the victim.

Except it wasn't someone from the left who went after him. It was the culmination of his own hateful, violent rhetoric and easy access to guns coming back to bite him. The same shooter who went after him in the first attempt killed a man at the same rally and he showed absolutely zero compassion for him and never spoke of him. He literally doesn't care if his own supporters die (we saw that firsthand during COVID, when so many of his supporters were getting sick and dying after attenting his maskless rallies). 

So no. Not victimized. Every president has threats against them. We've literally had four presidents in our history who were actually killed. This is, unfortunately, nothing new, and he's not some special or unique case here. 

Edited November 7 by Annber03