Chit-Chat: The Feels

[Yeah No]

1 hour ago, bluegirl147 said:

Years ago my former boss said the n word with an a at the end.  He knew I'm a mother of a biracial son.  He was in a different room when he said it but I heard him.  I yelled out I can't believe you just said that.  He spent the rest of the day apologizing.   There are two apartments above my office and one of the tenants is an older white woman. She came in to pay her rent and randomly said the n word in describing something.   I calmly told her please do not use that word.  She wasn't expecting me to say that and was flustered. She said I didn't mean anything by it and quickly left. During my lifetime this happened a lot.  And a lot of times people get defensive and say they aren't racist.   If you say that word and you aren't racist you are still comfortable enough with racism that you feel comfortable saying it.

I became friends with a woman I worked with in my last job. We never talked about certain subjects so I had no idea how she felt about them. When Trump became president in 2016 she started to become open with some pretty racist opinions about minorities and even Jews. She had no idea that I was part Jewish. I politely told her that I was not a Trump supporter and left it at that. I didn't want to get into a confrontation with her because she was also a client of my husband's at that time and I didn't need to cause any issue with that for him. But I didn't pursue the relationship after that. She still calls every now and then to say hello but that's it. She used to complain to me that all her family and friends were not Trump supporters and I think after she found out I was not one either she backed away slowly. It's sad because neither one of us needed to lose a friend. I have never told her about my ethnicity. It's too emotional for me. 

42 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

People can feel and believe whatever they want but you are right about your son perhaps hearing something and repeating it.  This is why I think people need called out for things that are bigoted/racist.  Doesn't have to be confrontational but people need to know what they believe is offensive and hurtful to other people. Sometimes you can change someone for the better.

Back in the '60s when I was in the single digits, my great uncle, a Sicilian American born in 1908 would at times spew very misogynist views about how "the woman is less than the man" and "the man is above the woman". She and my grandmother were used to rolling their eyes and tuning him out when he got on a tear with that because other than this he was very beloved in the family and in many ways a decent, kind soul.

Well, when I got old enough to understand his rants my mother put her foot down and told him she would not tolerate that kind of talk in her house in front of me. She told me not to listen to him and eventually had a big argument with him (which if you know anything about Sicilians was pretty loud and volatile) and kicked him out. They didn't talk for months, but after that he never uttered another word about that ever again. And she made sure she told me not to listen to him, that he was old fashioned and stuck in his ways, and not to allow any man to talk that way to me in the future. Wise words from my mom from almost 60 years ago, which I took to heart. It's really sad that we still have to have this kind of situation.

[peacheslatour]

Remember when conservatives told us we were fear mongering when we said they would implement a national abortion ban? Well, here it is.

 

H.R.722 - To implement equal protection under the 14th article of amendment to the Constitution for the right to life of each born and preborn human person.

[Dimity]

3 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

H.R.722 - To implement equal protection under the 14th article of amendment to the Constitution for the right to life of each born and preborn human person.

What are the rules surrounding making amendments to the Constitution?

My quick google search seems to indicate there is no way this would pass and it would take years to even get to a point where it still doesn't pass.  Which begs the question of WHY are they doing this? 

[Lugal]

10 minutes ago, Dimity said:

What are the rules surrounding making amendments to the Constitution?

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Article V

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.

https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/article-5/

There have been 11,000 proposed amendments to the Constitution but only 27 have passed.

H.R.722 isn't a constitutional amendment but it looks like they are trying to cloak it in constitutional trappings.

[peacheslatour]

16 minutes ago, Dimity said:

What are the rules surrounding making amendments to the Constitution?

My quick google search seems to indicate there is no way this would pass and it would take years to even get to a point where it still doesn't pass.  Which begs the question of WHY are they doing this? 

The cruelty is the point. Remember how many times they tried to get rid of the ACA? The answer is 70. From Wikipedia-

After the July 27, 2017 vote on the Health Care Freedom Act, Newsweek "found at least 70 Republican-led attempts to repeal, modify or otherwise curb the Affordable Care Act since its inception as law on March 23, 2010."

[Eri]

43 minutes ago, Dimity said:

What are the rules surrounding making amendments to the Constitution?

My quick google search seems to indicate there is no way this would pass and it would take years to even get to a point where it still doesn't pass.  Which begs the question of WHY are they doing this? 

It's been mentioned before but, the only way to get the Constitution amended would be to either pass both houses of Congress by a 2/3rds majority, or via 2/3rds of the state legislatures passing a resolution calling for a constitutional convention (which hasn't happened at the federal level since 1787).

Ahh @Lugalbeat me to it lol Thanks!

It's just distractions. More fear to sow to the masses so they're confused and upset. More chaos so that it clogs up the courts and disrupts existing services somehow. They pulled these same tactics in 2017 and again in 2022 after Roe v Wade. I wish we didn't have to relive this again but here we are.

Panic is the goal. Despair, anything that leads to resigned acceptance, is what they want. The material effects can't be ignored, but the moment people feel too beaten down to resist it is the moment they actually win. So please take care, and do whatever you need to do to keep yourself grounded 🫶

Edited Yest. at 05:11 PM by Eri

[heatherchandler]

1 hour ago, Yeah No said:

That's another thing - a boy embracing feminine things back when I was a kid and even today might open him up to worse than just hate and ridicule, especially from other boys, but bullying and getting beat up or worse. That extreme hatred never existed toward female tomboys.

It's a tough decision to make whether the risk of that is worth taking. I wouldn't want to be a child or a parent today and have to make it.

My youngest son is extremely confident and walks around with a pink water bottle with a duck on it, and doesn’t give a F.  I don’t know where he gets his confidence but I’m glad he has it.  No one has ever said a thing to him and if they did he would not care.  I think maybe times have changed a little.  Again it may be where we live.  

 

1 hour ago, PRgal said:

I've tried.  I think my dad gets it now, but who knows whether he'll remember?  I think my OWN grandmother's shame on her lack of education (this is my dad's mom.  My dad is unsure whether it's because of war or because she was a concubine's child.  It's not because she's female since her older (half) sister has two degrees.  Middle class girls, at least middle class daughters of main wives would have gone to high school in 1930s China.  My great-grandfather was a journalist).  I looked up when Japan invaded China and it was in 1937.  This means my grandmother was 10 or 11.  She would have finished Grade 4, maybe 5.  I think her sister barely graduated from high school and only got her degrees AFTER the war.  But without an elementary education, my grandmother wouldn't have been able to do that.  After the war, she got married and had kids.  No time to go to night school to even finish elementary school, let alone go to high school!

My grandma said the most inappropriate, racist stuff and I tried very hard to get her to stop but in the end, she was never going to change.  You may just need to accept that your dad thinks the way he thinks and that’s it, and you can accept him or not.  Changing an older person’s mind is a fool’s journey.  I did tell my kids to ignore her racist talk, it was a good lesson for them that there are people with closed minds who will spout crap.

[Is Everyone Gone]

At work, a bunch of MAGAs have all assumed I'm MAGA and talk to me daily about how much they love Trump. They think I'm MAGA because they think Chinese people are conservative.

But what I'm seeing a lot of is this idea that Trump is only going to help the "deserving." Deserving = white, Christian, Republican, from a red state. 

[peacheslatour]

7 minutes ago, heatherchandler said:

My youngest son is extremely confident and walks around with a pink water bottle with a duck on it, and doesn’t give a F.  I don’t know where he gets his confidence but I’m glad he has it.  No one has ever said a thing to him and if they did he would not care.  I think maybe times have changed a little.  Again it may be where we live.  

 

My grandma said the most inappropriate, racist stuff and I tried very hard to get her to stop but in the end, she was never going to change.  You may just need to accept that your dad thinks the way he thinks and that’s it, and you can accept him or not.  Changing an older person’s mind is a fool’s journey.  I did tell my kids to ignore her racist talk, it was a good lesson for them that there are people with closed minds who will spout crap.

See this is the thing some people don't seem to get. If your child sees someone different than them or their family, it's an excellent opportunity to have a discussion with them about the wide world and all the diverse, wonderful things in it.

[fastiller]

A good friend of mine -a white woman- has three children, all are Black, one of whom would care for her late mother when she was in the throes of dementia.  Mum came out with some awful racist crap in her last months (when she was still able to speak but her filter had dropped due to dementia).  Friend's son (the care-giver) just shook his head and said 'my grandmother sure is racist!'  Friend's father would say this crap even w/o 'benefit' of dementia.  Friend's two sisters each had kids w/ Puerto Rican / Chinese-American fathers.  Their father (kids' grandfather) would say 'why can't I just have a white grandchild?'

[peacheslatour]

Update-

 

 The post sparked outrage, prompting Fort Worth ISD School Board President Roxanne Martinez to address parents’ concerns. “Please be assured that we are taking this situation very seriously and are committed to resolving it as quickly as possible,” she said.

The district, where two-thirds of the student body is Hispanic and over one-third are English language learners, stated that the teacher would not return to the classroom while the investigation is underway. Interim Superintendent Karen Molinar also reassured families that the district would continue “supporting all families.”

[PRgal]

21 minutes ago, Is Everyone Gone said:

At work, a bunch of MAGAs have all assumed I'm MAGA and talk to me daily about how much they love Trump. They think I'm MAGA because they think Chinese people are conservative.

But what I'm seeing a lot of is this idea that Trump is only going to help the "deserving." Deserving = white, Christian, Republican, from a red state. 

Maybe for some older boomers (or older) who weren’t raised in this part of the world!!  I get the people who lived through the Cultural Revolution or even the Chinese Civil War.  And assuming you’re of Chinese heritage, happy Year of the Snake!! 🐍 🧧

[Dimity]

19 minutes ago, fastiller said:

Mum came out with some awful racist crap in her last months (when she was still able to speak but her filter had dropped due to dementia). 

While it's possible she was saying what she would have said without benefit of a filter it's also possible that the dementia turned her into the kind of person she never was.  One of my Dad's closest friends was the sweetest, gentlest man you would ever meet, but the form of dementia he developed turned him into a violent person who needed to be put into full-time care for his own protection as well as those around him.  The absolute last person you would ever expect to be afraid of 😔.

[PRgal]

1 hour ago, Dimity said:

If the Felon in Chief actually manages to annex Canada I look forward to him trying to deal with our official bilingualism and with Quebec.  Good look oh great orange one.

And thank you to those who did my homework for me.  Disheartening, but not unexpected after all I guess 😔.

Quebec would secede immediately.  I don’t think Americans realize that Canada has an official language policy!  Then again, most don’t know anything about us.  Especially our stricter immigration policies relying on points.  That’s how my parents came here. 

[peacheslatour]

12 minutes ago, Dimity said:

While it's possible she was saying what she would have said without benefit of a filter it's also possible that the dementia turned her into the kind of person she never was.  One of my Dad's closest friends was the sweetest, gentlest man you would ever meet, but the form of dementia he developed turned him into a violent person who needed to be put into full-time care for his own protection as well as those around him.  The absolute last person you would ever expect to be afraid of 😔.

My dad was a brilliant man and an athlete. We used to say all he needed to make a very good living with just a pen and a phone. He made enough money to retire at 55, my mom at 45. They spent the next 30 years traveling and living the good life. When he got Alzheimer's he was like a child. A sweet, baffled child. It's a terrible thing and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

[Notabug]

52 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

The cruelty is the point. Remember how many times they tried to get rid of the ACA? The answer is 70. From Wikipedia-

After the July 27, 2017 vote on the Health Care Freedom Act, Newsweek "found at least 70 Republican-led attempts to repeal, modify or otherwise curb the Affordable Care Act since its inception as law on March 23, 2010."

This is also similar to all of the heartbeat laws in individual states that have a clause indicating that termination can be performed after 6 weeks 'if the life of the mother is in danger'.  Yet, all of the legislatures/attorneys involved in these laws flatly refuse to clarify the phrase when asked. Instead, they tell the physicians and their professional organizations that they can decide when that criteria has be met and the state will then take a look at it and decide whether to prosecute.  What this has done is cause many providers of pregnancy termination to leave the state or stop doing terminations in fear that they will be prosecuted.  Leaving the phrase vague results in even fewer abortions than if they clarified because it scares everyone off.

Fact of the matter is, a woman is something like 7 times more likely to die while pregnant than while non-pregnant. So, any abortion technically decreases her risk of death.  But we know that the legislators aren't talking about that.  So, they encourage fear and panic amongst providers in hopes that they simply give up and go away.

These laws have major criminal penalties including massive fines, jail time and loss of license as a consequence. Imagine you are a young physician, just finished training.  You're 30 ish, a time in life when people your age are getting married, buying their first homes and starting a family.  Now imagine you are starting your career with about $200,000 in educational debt; typical for the average young physician.  You are also not self employed, but instead work for a major healthcare system who ultimately decide whether your contract gets renewed or not.  Most young docs don't go into private practice both because they don't have the money/don't want to borrow hundreds of thousands more and because, in many urban areas, there is no choice. While you have malpractice coverage via your employer, that won't provide a dime if you're charged with a crime and many hospitals will simply decline to allow their facilities to be used for terminations in these cases anyway, so you couldn't do it even if you wanted to take the chance.  Taking the chance means paying tens if not hundreds of thousands for a criminal defense attorney and risking going to jail and losing your license if you're found guilty. And, of course, losing your job which means you default on your student loans, lose your house and probably end up bankrupt.  THIS is why so many doctors are fleeing those states and it is exactly what the Republican legislators wanted.  They don't care if women have access to care and they especially don't care if indigent women have access.

12 minutes ago, PRgal said:

Quebec would secede immediately.  I don’t think Americans realize that Canada has an official language policy!  Then again, most don’t know anything about us.  Especially our stricter immigration policies relying on points.  That’s how my parents came here. 

The thing is, those who want to annex Canada don't care what Canadian law says; it is all about them and what they want.  If they take Canada then those French Canadians better start speaking English, dammit!

[Anela]

Democrat wins Iowa Senate seat in district Trump won by 21 points

This was a special election. 

someone also posted on threads, that trump’s disapproval rating is up to 46%. 

[peacheslatour]

1 minute ago, Notabug said:

This is also similar to all of the heartbeat laws in individual states that have a clause indicating that termination can be performed after 6 weeks 'if the life of the mother is in danger'.  Yet, all of the legislatures/attorneys involved in these laws flatly refuse to clarify the phrase when asked. Instead, they tell the physicians and their professional organizations that they can decide when that criteria has be met and the state will then take a look at it and decide whether to prosecute.  What this has done is cause many providers of pregnancy termination to leave the state or stop doing terminations in fear that they will be prosecuted.  Leaving the phrase vague results in even fewer abortions than if they clarified because it scares everyone off.

Fact of the matter is, a woman is something like 7 times more likely to die while pregnant than while non-pregnant. So, any abortion technically decreases her risk of death.  But we know that the legislators aren't talking about that.  So, they encourage fear and panic amongst providers in hopes that they simply give up and go away.

These laws have major criminal penalties including massive fines, jail time and loss of license as a consequence. Imagine you are a young physician, just finished training.  You're 30 ish, a time in life when people your age are getting married, buying their first homes and starting a family.  Now imagine you are starting your career with about $200,000 in educational debt; typical for the average young physician.  You are also not self employed, but instead work for a major healthcare system who ultimately decide whether your contract gets renewed or not.  Most young docs don't go into private practice both because they don't have the money/don't want to borrow hundreds of thousands more and because, in many urban areas, there is no choice. While you have malpractice coverage via your employer, that won't provide a dime if you're charged with a crime and many hospitals will simply decline to allow their facilities to be used for terminations in these cases anyway, so you couldn't do it even if you wanted to take the chance.  Taking the chance means paying tens if not hundreds of thousands for a criminal defense attorney and risking going to jail and losing your license if you're found guilty. And, of course, losing your job which means you default on your student loans, lose your house and probably end up bankrupt.  THIS is why so many doctors are fleeing those states and it is exactly what the Republican legislators wanted.  They don't care if women have access to care and they especially don't care if indigent women have access.

And if the pregnancy doesn't kill her, there is a good chance her partner will.

 

October 21, 2022 – Women in the U.S. who are pregnant or who have recently given birth are more likely to be murdered than to die from obstetric causes—and these homicides are linked to a deadly mix of intimate partner violence and firearms, according to researchers from Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health.

Homicide deaths among pregnant women are more prevalent than deaths from hypertensive disorders, hemorrhage, or sepsis, wrote Rebecca Lawn, postdoctoral research fellow, and Karestan Koenen, professor of psychiatric epidemiology, in an October 19 editorial in the journal BMJ.

[Anela]

When my parents re-married, my dad was temporarily a bigamist, because of a mistake on his divorce papers from his second wife. We found this out, when we were in an airport in Missouri, having flown over from England, with our dog howling in a crate, in another part of the airport, and me trying to calm him down. 

the people in Missouri, were threatening to send my mother back to England, because of that mistake.  It didn’t matter that she’d worked here before, for years, when my parents were first married.  It didn’t matter that us kids had dual citizenship, and were the kids of an American citizen.  They were going to send her back home.  

immigration rules are strict here. A guy I used to know, has a Polish wife, and he said they put her through a lot, and that it was understandable that people would find another way to come here first. She was employed, they both had money. 
 

[Dimity]

 I was just reading about some MAGA losing their minds last week  at the threat of tariffs associated with Colombia.  These great minds said they'd switch to Italian roast coffee in solidarity with the Felon in Chief.  Are we allowed to laugh at this level of stupidity or is that us being elitist?

[Dimity]

And in another example of stupidity that I feel comfortable mocking:

 

[peacheslatour]

Looks like he blinked. From NBC News, Jan. 29, 2025.

 

The White House formally rescinded a controversial memo that had ordered a freeze on federal grants and loans.

The freeze, which had been set to take effect late Tuesday afternoon, was paused Tuesday by a federal judge to give her time to consider arguments challenging its legality.

The memo ordering the freeze had been issued by the Office of Management and Budget.

 

Edited Yest. at 06:30 PM by peacheslatour

[Yeah No]

57 minutes ago, Dimity said:

While it's possible she was saying what she would have said without benefit of a filter it's also possible that the dementia turned her into the kind of person she never was.  One of my Dad's closest friends was the sweetest, gentlest man you would ever meet, but the form of dementia he developed turned him into a violent person who needed to be put into full-time care for his own protection as well as those around him.  The absolute last person you would ever expect to be afraid of 😔.

I sympathize. My father in his last few years became more like a mischievous teenager emotionally. He did not qualify for dementia or Alzheimer's because he could talk clearly about current events, etc. It wasn't even technically cognitive impairment. Other than some mild short-term memory loss, which is normal for a person of around 90 his mind was still sharp. My husband and I could not convince the doctors that he was not the same person in many ways. He would tell fibs, do things behind our backs, not go to his doctor appointments and then lie about it, not bathe enough, etc. Meanwhile before that he was always THE most responsible, clean, conscientious person you'd ever want to meet.

BUT....and here's the big BUT....In spite of all that he still took a dim view of Trump and often would call or write an email to dish about whatever idiocy he was spewing at the moment. He used to call Trump a "dangerous nut". Rest in peace Dad, you're in a better place.

[BetyBee]

As we were checking out at the grocery store today, the cashier started talking about how people with disabilities are suddenly not getting the money they need due to the freeze imposed overnight. She went on to say that she understands that they need to cut off undeserving people. She said that she sees undeserving people go through her line, but this freeze is affecting more people, even people who voted for Trump. I looked at her incredulously and said, "What did you expect? It's going to get worse." I'm sure she is shocked that the leopards are eating her face and the faces of "deserving people". 🙄

[Notabug]

2 minutes ago, BetyBee said:

As we were checking out at the grocery store today, the cashier started talking about how people with disabilities are suddenly not getting the money they need due to the freeze imposed overnight. She went on to say that she understands that they need to cut off undeserving people. She said that she sees undeserving people go through her line, but this freeze is affecting more people, even people who voted for Trump. I looked at her incredulously and said, "What did you expect? It's going to get worse." I'm sure she is shocked that the leopards are eating her face and the faces of "deserving people". 🙄

The fact that she thinks she can tell who is 'deserving' of public assistance based on spending a couple minutes with them in the checkout line is the first hint that she has no idea what she is talking about.

[PRgal]

7 minutes ago, Notabug said:

The fact that she thinks she can tell who is 'deserving' of public assistance based on spending a couple minutes with them in the checkout line is the first hint that she has no idea what she is talking about.

Yep.  I have epilepsy, so you could say that I have a disability (I was even part of an "invisible disability" podcast...until they fired me for being too conservative).  I wonder if she could tell that I DO.  

[Dimity]

27 minutes ago, BetyBee said:

She said that she sees undeserving people go through her line, but this freeze is affecting more people, even people who voted for Trump.

Aside from all else it's interesting that people are assuming that no one who collects benefits could have voted for Trump.  I'd like to believe this to be true but I don't think it is. 

[fastiller]

1 hour ago, Notabug said:

 

The thing is, those who want to annex Canada don't care what Canadian law says; it is all about them and what they want.  If they take Canada then those French Canadians better start speaking English, American dammit!

There, FTFY.

[bluegirl147]

46 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Looks like he blinked. From NBC News, Jan. 29, 2025.

 

The White House formally rescinded a controversial memo that had ordered a freeze on federal grants and loans.

The freeze, which had been set to take effect late Tuesday afternoon, was paused Tuesday by a federal judge to give her time to consider arguments challenging its legality.

The memo ordering the freeze had been issued by the Office of Management and Budget.

 

I feel like Musk ordered the freeze. And once Trump found out his base was mad he rescinded it.  Trump doesn't like his base mad at him.  Remember when he supported vaccines and his base turned on him?  He quickly stopped talking about vaccines after that.

33 minutes ago, Notabug said:

The fact that she thinks she can tell who is 'deserving' of public assistance based on spending a couple minutes with them in the checkout line is the first hint that she has no idea what she is talking about.

It's nobody's business why someone is getting assistance.  And I would think that cashier's boss would not like her judging their customers.

[Ohiopirate02]

2 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

I feel like Musk ordered the freeze. And once Trump found out his base was mad he rescinded it.  Trump doesn't like his base mad at him.  Remember when he supported vaccines and his base turned on him?  He quickly stopped talking about vaccines after that.

Trump doesn't like to lose, and he most likely would have lost this one in court. The Constitution is very clear that Congress holds the purse not the president. If  Trump wants these budget cuts, then he needs to follow procedure and get Congress to do it. Which can easily happen when the next budget is negotiated.

 

I do feel a teensy bit sorry for whichever staffer had to tell Trump about the judge intervening and the likelihood he would lose this fight. But then I remember they chose to work for this administration, and well, fuck em.

[bluegirl147]

3 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

Trump doesn't like to lose, and he most likely would have lost this one in court. The Constitution is very clear that Congress holds the purse not the president. If  Trump wants these budget cuts, then he needs to follow procedure and get Congress to do it. Which can easily happen when the next budget is negotiated.

 

I do feel a teensy bit sorry for whichever staffer had to tell Trump about the judge intervening and the likelihood he would lose this fight. But then I remember they chose to work for this administration, and well, fuck em.

I do agree Trump was most likely told SCOTUS won't have your back on this.

He is like a toddler testing his boundaries.  Let's hope he keeps getting his fingers burned by touching the hot stove.

[Anela]

I’ve just seen it described on threads, as:

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The velociraptors are testing the cage for weaknesses. 

 

[peacheslatour]

4 minutes ago, Anela said:

I’ve just seen it described on threads, as:

 

Then we need a T Rex.

 

[fastiller]

Oh geez.

Oklahoma schools plan to require proof of students’ immigration status

[bluegirl147]

4 minutes ago, fastiller said:

Oh geez.

Oklahoma schools plan to require proof of students’ immigration status

Same state that wants bibles in class rooms.  Do they ever get around to actually teaching?

[PRgal]

23 minutes ago, fastiller said:

Oh geez.

Oklahoma schools plan to require proof of students’ immigration status

Wouldn't this be kind of like international students needing to show their student visa?

[fastiller]

8 minutes ago, PRgal said:

Wouldn't this be kind of like international students needing to show their student visa?

No; this is like a kindergarten kid or a first-grader who was brought over the boarder by her undocumented parents having to prove that she's here legally show her immigration status.

Edited Yest. at 08:40 PM by fastiller
clarity.

[bluegirl147]

1 minute ago, fastiller said:

No; this is like a kindergarten kid or a first-grader who was brought over the boarder by her undocumented parents having to proof that she's here legally.

And we all know they will only ask children who aren't white.

[Dimity]

2 minutes ago, fastiller said:

No; this is like a kindergarten kid or a first-grader who was brought over the boarder by her undocumented parents having to proof that she's here legally.

I'm not sure how it works in the US but here when you register a child in the school you are expected to provide documents regarding their citizenship/immigration status as well as proof of address and immunization.  I don't know what happens if a parent can't provide any of this.

[peacheslatour]

14 minutes ago, PRgal said:

Wouldn't this be kind of like international students needing to show their student visa?

It's more like any kid who isn't lily white and who's last name may end in a vowel has to zeigen Sie mir ihre Papiere, bitte.

3 minutes ago, Dimity said:

I'm not sure how it works in the US but here when you register a child in the school you are expected to provide documents regarding their citizenship/immigration status as well as proof of address and immunization.  I don't know what happens if a parent can't provide any of this.

We never once had to provide citizenship papers for our son when he went to school or anywhere else.

Edited Yest. at 08:46 PM by peacheslatour

[Trini]

11 minutes ago, PRgal said:

Wouldn't this be kind of like international students needing to show their student visa?

No. This is another way to target the undocumented. If you read the article:

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The proposed rule would not prevent students without legal status from enrolling or keep them from attending school. But it would require districts to record the number of students for whom proof of citizenship was not provided and to report those numbers, excluding personally identifiable information, to the Oklahoma state department of education.

The Republican state superintendent, Ryan Walters, the state’s education chief, said the rule was needed to help schools gather information about where to place staff and resources.

“Our rule around illegal immigration accounting is simply that,” Walters said. “It is to account for how many students of illegal immigrants are in our schools.”

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Walters has said he will support efforts by Trump to enforce immigration laws, including by allowing US Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents into Oklahoma schools.

He reiterated that position on Tuesday, saying the department stands ready to share any immigration information it gathers with law enforcement partners.

“If a law enforcement official comes in and asks for information, we’re legally required to provide that information,” he said. “If they come and ask us for certain information, we’ll happily provide that.”

 

[Ohiopirate02]

6 minutes ago, Dimity said:

I'm not sure how it works in the US but here when you register a child in the school you are expected to provide documents regarding their citizenship/immigration status as well as proof of address and immunization.  I don't know what happens if a parent can't provide any of this.

In my state, the school system only asks for proof that a child is old enough to attend and proof that the person signing up the child is legally allowed to do so. Immigration status does not matter. And at least for now, vaccination status.

Edited Yest. at 08:50 PM by Ohiopirate02

[PRgal]

4 minutes ago, Dimity said:

I'm not sure how it works in the US but here when you register a child in the school you are expected to provide documents regarding their citizenship/immigration status as well as proof of address and immunization.  I don't know what happens if a parent can't provide any of this.

That's why I was wondering myself.  Non-Canadian/permanent residents need to provide the school with documents proving they can legally be here (e.g. a work or student visa) in order to enroll their kids in school.  

[Dimity]

1 minute ago, peacheslatour said:

We never once had to provide citizenship papers for our son when he went to school or anywhere else.

Here we had to provide a proof of age to register them in kindergarten, and the proof of age would include a birth certificate, baptismal certificate or permanent resident card.  That kind of thing.  If you are in Canada temporarily or are a refugee there are other documents you would have.  It's not like kids would be turned away if they aren't Canadian but you do have to go through a registration process.

4 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

And at least for now, vaccination status.

This is sticky here.  Technically kids are supposed to be immunized and keep their immunizations up to date (well the parents are expected to do this of course) and at least in theory kids can be kept out of school until they comply.  In reality there are challenges to this all the time and I don't know how strictly this ends up being enforced.

[bluegirl147]

This is yet another way for them to scare immigrants, documented and undocumented. Could you imagine how traumatized a child would be if some ICE agent showed up and removed them from school? We heard how Trump refers to them.  He doesn't care how they are treated.

[Dimity]

Just now, bluegirl147 said:

Could you imagine how traumatized a child would be if some ICE agent showed up and removed them from school?

This would be evil.  But I guess that's where we are now. 

[bluegirl147]

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10 minutes ago, Notabug said:

 

The fact the official says they would of course cooperate with ICE as needed means to me that, although they are claiming the kids will have anonymity; they are more than happy to let ICE know how many non-legal kids are in the schools and will no doubt helpfully provide the officers with their names and locations as requested.

I don't think it's a reach to call them the American version of the Gestapo.  

 

Edited Yest. at 09:10 PM by bluegirl147

[Lantern7]

3 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

Update-

 

Is it bad to hope that this guy was immediately doxxed and chased out of whatever hovel he was living in?

Meanwhile, I hear a few Senators are giving RFK Jr. the business today. Is it sad that the goal is to NOT have that guy in charge of our health, even if it means another Trumpanista in that role that's actively out to ruin us?

[Notabug]

6 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Pence tweeted -

"President Trump was right the first time...Senators, Vote No on RFK Jr.," he captioned the tweet, which has since amassed more than 400,000 views.

Notice he still manages to get "Trump was right" in there. Fucking bootlicker.

I'm ok with Pence doing that if only to keep Trump from turning the statement around on Pence and continuing to attack him.  Keeping Trump out of the way while the grownups handle things is probably the smartest way to go even if it means sucking up to him a little.

[Anela]

2 hours ago, PRgal said:

Wouldn't this be kind of like international students needing to show their student visa?

Last week, in the first raids of adults, they arrested a veteran, and apparently mocked him. Said his veteran’s I.D. wasn’t real.  All because he wasn’t white. 

1 hour ago, bluegirl147 said:

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I don't think it's a reach to call them the American version of the Gestapo.  

 

You are right.  

Edited Yest. at 10:44 PM by Anela