S07.E04: Doubted

[Snazzy Daisy]

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When the sister of FBI Behavioral Analysis Unit (BAU) profiler Sydney Ortiz (Lisette Olivera) is the victim of an attempted kidnapping and sexual assault, Sydney seeks help from Isobel and the team in tracking down a meticulous serial offender who leaves no evidence behind.

Air Date: Nov 12, 2024

 

[GiandujaPie]

Is she going to be Scola's new partner? 

[Dowel Jones]

My God, will someone please explain the tortured reasoning that Isobel used to keep Ortiz on as a field agent?  Granted, the other agents have made bonehead moves, but she should be staffing a radar station in Alaska, waiting for the mail to deliver her clothes.  Draw a gun on a guy who is threatening suicide?  "Step back from the rail.  If you try to jump, I will shoot you."

So, because Ortiz works in the basement of the FBI and her sister was attacked, that's good enough to get the FBI involved.  I watch the show every week.  Is that enough of a connection to get the FBI involved with the egg throwing at my house on Halloween?

I bet Isobel is happy to promise to investigate each of those 13 cases.  Write it off on the dead guy, and their closure rate goes way up.  Cynical?  Who, me?

[Andyourlittledog2]

I was afraid of that. I can't stand new woman with stick up her ass who simply needs the right people to train her.  Her personality grates on me and I'm certain this is not the last time we will watch her insist she's right, go her own way, do stupid things because she can't keep perspective.  Dammit, show.

ETA:  And bringing her sister, a victim, in to watch an interrogation and identify the perpetrator?  Whatever happened to a line up or a six pack?  Wouldn't a defense attorney have a field day with that identification?  She identified him because he was arrested as the perp. That it worked out was just a scripted happenstance. In real life that could have/would certainly have gone bad once a case came to court. No one seemed to bat an eye.

I kept repeating 'don't hire her, don't hire her' under my breath but I knew it was hopeless. She's our new spunky new kid with a chip on her shoulder. Ugh.

Edited November 13 by Andyourlittledog2

[shapeshifter]

32 minutes ago, Dowel Jones said:

So, because Ortiz works in the basement of the FBI and her sister was attacked, that's good enough to get the FBI involved.  I watch the show every week.  Is that enough of a connection to get the FBI involved with the egg throwing at my house on Halloween?

The sisters' now-dead father was a mentor/hero/coworker to Isobel, and who was known for excelling by thinking out of the box, and Ortiz' supervisor said she had the same [magical] gift.
In other words, she's an exposition fairy for the episodes when there's too much plot for the time allowed. 
Plus, since they got rid of 3 other partners of Scola's this season, if she doesn't work out, they can dramatically kill her off during the ratings week in the spring (if shows still do that) or shuffle her off to another one of the Fibbie shows (like they did with Scola's baby momma).

Edited November 13 by shapeshifter

[UnknownK]

Pretty sure the new girl was let go already after a few episodes were filmed.

[Netfoot]

The most laughably unbelievable performance as a "profiler" I think I've ever seen.

it was obvious from early that Ortiz would be invited to join the team. As soon as I realized that she was as hard-headed, self-absorbed and insubordinate as... wossname that we just got rid of, I knew she was in.  

[MerBearHou]

7 hours ago, UnknownK said:

Pretty sure the new girl was let go already after a few episodes were filmed.

I hope so.  She is awful and a terrible actor.  Come on show, find a good fit.  

[preeya]

10 hours ago, UnknownK said:

Pretty sure the new girl was let go already after a few episodes were filmed.

I surely hope so, as I can do without this Ortiz character.

ETA: Since she's such a great profiler, they should ship her to Criminal Minds.

ETA #2: I was waiting for Isobel to call upon St. Olivia Benson when she mentioned the NYPD.

Edited November 13 by preeya

[MarylandGirl]

1 hour ago, preeya said:

I surely hope so as I can do without this Ortiz character.

ETA: Since she's such a great profiler, they should ship her to Criminal Minds.

ETA #2: I was waiting for Isobel to call upon St. Olivia Benson when she mentioned the NYPD.

Randomly, in therapy today, I referenced both FBI (my therapist said in my marriage, I'm like the people in the control room on police shows, and I said, "Oh, like FBI?" and he said he didn't watch that one) AND SVU, including mentioning "St. Olivia" (I had to explain).

On episode topic, I also wasn't a fan of the new hire. It seems like a trope on these shows where a potential new person totally messes up, thinks they blew their shot (no pun intended) at the job, then it's like, "You're hired!" I mean, she messed up so many things. Maybe she learned her lesson, but it's doubtful.

Didn't something similar happen with Tiffany in the beginning, too? In a drill they did where, had it been real life, she'd have gotten Scola killed? At least that was just a drill... And she didn't point a gun at someone threatening to jump or go alone to seek out a suspect and end up being held at gunpoint.

[januaryman]

She was easy to look at and not much more. She yanked the phone out of Kelly's hand and challenged Isobel. Did she know she was getting in the elevator with Roy? I thought the last guy who was partner-of-the-week was amusing but he belonged in a different show. 

Opening scenes are getting sleazier - save that stuff for Criminal Minds.

[Snazzy Daisy]

Scola being the 3rd wheel! 😂

A serial rapist in NY with 17 victims under his belt and he is not even in Saint Olivia Benson’s radar? Shocking.

Are we supposed to believe that Ray — a Zach Braff’s doppelgänger couldn’t get a date? 👀

Syd Ortiz isn’t the right replacement. She thinks she’s too smart and she doesn’t listen. She has a lot of growing-up to do before joining any elite team and being in the field. She will disrupt the team dynamic. 
 

[shapeshifter]

54 minutes ago, januaryman said:

Did she know she was getting in the elevator with Roy?

He introduced himself as Roy, but Oritz had not yet learned that he was serial rapist (and now killer) because she sent her phone call to voicemail, which was from her FBI team while they were in the middle of tracking the serial rapist and as she was about to go interview a victim🙄 which was after Isobel had lectured her on "when I say go right; you go right."

And, yes, at that point:

37 minutes ago, Snazzy Daisy said:

She thinks she’s too smart and she doesn’t listen. She has a lot of growing-up to do before joining any elite team and being in the field. She will disrupt the team dynamic. 

However, in the last conversation with Isobel she did display contrition, but blink and you missed it.
So, presumably in the next episode she will have turned over a new leaf. 
But it remains to be seen whether or not she really has had a made-for-TV personality makeover. 

The thing that bothered me was that Roy didn't trigger Ortiz's super spidey instincts. When I was her age and younger, I escaped at least a couple of serial rapists (back before internet). I had good instincts, but these types of predators target victims when they are obviously vulnerable (tired, sick, under duress, etc.) which is why I initially fell into their traps. Ortiz was supposed to have mentalist-type capabilities beyond anything I have, and so she should have tweaked to Roy's being off. She should have sensed something was wrong when she got in the elevator with him, if not before stepping into it. 
This is a writing problem. 
Either she's a super sleuth, or she's not.

Edited November 13 by shapeshifter

[Maverick]

 So glad new agent won't be sticking around.  She has no field experience and nearly blew a case she strong armed Isobel into taking but at the end everyone's like "yay, welcome to the team, awesome to have you!".  Such bs 

[JudgeyMcJudgyPants]

I was honestly hoping she would get killed and that would be then end of her.  The character is insufferable and the actress is not good.  
 

And I’m not a profiler but that serial rapist would never have killed himself. 

[Diana Berry]

She looks like Zendaya which is a compliment.

just bring back Tiffany.

[Netfoot]

Anything but that!

[KeithJ]

Ok, I need some help with the timing here.

When they figured out that the super was the abductor, Scola called Ortiz when she was outside the apartment complex. Of course, she pushed it to voicemail and it was daylight.

The next scene is Scola telling Maggie and Omar that she is not answering.

We then see Jubal and crew watching the surveillance video of Ortiz entering the apartment complex but, it is now dark out. Not getting dark, it is dark. We then see Maggie, Omar, and Scola rolling out in pitch black night.

What was going on here?  Why didn't Maggie, Omar, and Scola roll out immediately after Ortiz declined Scola's call? They knew who the perp was, where he most likely was, and where Ortiz was going.

This makes no sense.