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"I Love You. I Love You". Olivia and her long-distance boyfriend rendezvous in Arizona for a romantic getaway. It's lights, camera, action for the Plaths as they help Moriah shoot a music video. As Veronica gets to know Kim, she quickly learns its Kim's way or the highway.

Who was it who wondered how long before they turned again Veronica? 

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2 hours ago, surfgirl said:

It may have been me? I'm sure Veronica will become the next Olivia because it seems Kim feels that she can boss around girlfriends like her daughters. 

I think several people have wondered about Veronica becoming the next Olivia.

I am debating on how to react to Micah's reaction if it happens.

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9 minutes ago, Gharlane said:

I am debating on how to react to Micah's reaction if it happens.

THIS!   Now that he's back into the Worldwide KIM Appreciation Society, who knows  what will happen.  Ethan doesn't seem to be so easily swayed (in any direction), but the other kids seem to bend toward the last compliment whispered in their ears.

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WOW. Now even new "family members" who don't know her are ragging on Olivia. Methinks you're the mean girl, Veronica. You had what? a one-second encounter with her?

I thought Barry meant Kim is a narcissist and was so happy he said it. Nope. What a dense wuss.

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Given the choice of spending time with Olivia or Veronica, a choice I am so very glad not to have, I'd pick Olivia every single time.  I really find Veronica strange, and somewhat unpleasant.  The Plaths had Olivia for at least five years to knock around, and speak about badly, and they did it all the time, particularly Kim, who thought her to be a bad "worldly" influence on the other siblings.  Has Kim, in the mini skirt with all the make-up, looked in the mirror lately, or watched the program, to realize that she isn't a great role model or influence  on her younger kids?

Veronica met Olivia one time, but she thought it was enough to talk about her as being a narcissist while interacting with a real narcissist, Kim.

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Tonight was probably the best episode rhis season only because we saw Olivia's new boyfriend and it made me very happy for her to see her in what looks like a very normal, healthy relationship. I'm so happy she found a nice guy and I hope it lasts for them. 

The rest was borimg AF with the freak show known as The Family Plath.

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I felt drowsy after ten minutes of watching this one.

  • At first I thought Olivia's big reveal was that she's dating "Mr. Beast". Thankfully it was someone nicer.
  • I couldn't have cared less about Moriah's music video. Once again, some vague things were said about her latest breakup. Does she think she's Taylor Swift?
  • Barry and Veronica bond over narcists in their lives. Surprisingly, it was Olivia for the two of them. Whut? 
  • Kim is still talking about Barry meeting Ken someday, but Barry seemed to say that it had already happened and was uneventful.
  • Lydia wanted a "shot of chocolate milk" at the bar. How precious. 🙄
  • The family has a surprise party for Moriah and Micah (because he was expecting it to be his! Criss cross double cross!). Kim tried to boss Veronica around and Moriah's HEBEL tattoos always make me cringe.
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Hey, did you guys know Kim really wanted Ken to be there?!?  She only mentioned it a hundred times...Guess she wanted to show off that sexy blue minidress.

Perhaps I've been watching the 90 Day franchise too much but I keep expecting Veronica to speak with a Russian accent each time she opens her mouth.

I was thrown when Barry mentioned Olivia as the narcissist in his life.  My mind went, "Who in the world is Olivia?"  Then I realized he was talking about his former daughter in-law.  That is so far from what I see on my TV, I didn't even put it together at first.  I think I was reeling that he didn't mention Kim.  *Sigh*

So is Moriah now opening for Taylor Swift?  Bless her heart, she is the first person in the entire universe to have had her heart broken by a cad.

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When Barry talked about knowing a narcissist, I was wondering if he'd finally figured out Kim's pathology.  But, no, it's his former daughter in law who is not so much a narcissist as she is a self-involved navel gazer these days.  Olivia may grow out of it, Kim never will.

Kim's complaint that Barry won't talk with her about Ken was typical Kim.  Why in heaven's name would her ex want to hear about her current partner?  And what was it she thought he needed to know?  I presume Kim was going to tell him that Ken was better in bed and was disappointed to discover that he just doesn't care.  The world revolves around Kim.

I wasn't so impressed with Olivia's new guy and agree with her sister in the preview; they're moving very fast.  Even though she was married for a number of years, Olivia is just 25 and has never had a dating life. Jumping from marriage with the first guy who showed an interest to an exclusive schmoopy romance with the second seems like a bad idea to me. I get the impression that she is leaving California and going to DC to be near him, maybe live with him.  Meanwhile, he's a professional dog walker(?) which sounds like he's probably living in his mother's basement.  And Olivia continues to be some sort of destination wedding photographer which seems like is only a real job because of her minor fame from the show and won't last.  The fact that his sister, who lives in DC, hired Olivia to come from California to photograph her wedding makes me think that sis is a fan of the show and thought it would be cool for a reality TV personality to be at her wedding.  It also makes me think the accidental meeting with the new boyfriend wasn't accidental at all.

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45 minutes ago, albarino said:

I was thrown when Barry mentioned Olivia as the narcissist in his life.  My mind went, "Who in the world is Olivia?"  Then I realized he was talking about his former daughter in-law.  That is so far from what I see on my TV, I didn't even put it together at first.  I think I was reeling that he didn't mention Kim.  *Sigh*

#MeToo

And then for Veronica name the same person was quite a shocker to me. Bitch, you only saw Olivia for a couple minutes at a wedding she was photographing!

 

27 minutes ago, Notabug said:

I wasn't so impressed with Olivia's new guy and agree with her sister in the preview; they're moving very fast.  Even though she was married for a number of years, Olivia is just 25 and has never had a dating life. Jumping from marriage with the first guy who showed an interest to an exclusive schmoopy romance with the second seems like a bad idea to me. I get the impression that she is leaving California and going to DC to be near him, maybe live with him.  Meanwhile, he's a professional dog walker(?) which sounds like he's probably living in his mother's basement.  And Olivia continues to be some sort of destination wedding photographer which seems like is only a real job because of her minor fame from the show and won't last.  The fact that his sister, who lives in DC, hired Olivia to come from California to photograph her wedding makes me think that sis is a fan of the show and thought it would be cool for a reality TV personality to be at her wedding.  It also makes me think the accidental meeting with the new boyfriend wasn't accidental at all.

I thought Brandon lived in NYC and walked dogs as a side-hustle, but I might have nodded off or was looking intently at the clock on the wall.

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Didn't get to watch until this morning. Not much to say though. 

Olivia and Brendan both seem like young teenagers in their first relationships. Not sure how much of it was ordered by production, how much was edited, etc., but I tried to remind myself that (at least for her), this is the first healthy relationship she's been in, so she's learning much later. 

Moriah, still fucking tone-deaf. 

Lydia, dances terribly, and the patron saint of Plathville could only order a shot of chocolate milk, and next week, we get to see her not want to sing a song because it goes against what she believes. Yay. 

So, the Jolly Green Giant and Barry bonded over hating Olivia, even though she had only met her one time, in passing, at a wedding? This girl thinks she's such a genius that she can diagnose narcissism after a passing moment at an event...not as smart as she thinks she is, so she may fit in with this bunch of dumb fucks really well. 

Who am I forgetting? Ethan always looks sad. Hard when your actions have consequences, huh? 

Kim has a boyfriend. Not sure if you all knew that, but I feel like she's more obnoxious talking about him than Olivia is with the DC Dog Walker. 

Did I mention that Moriah really can't fucking sing? And that Lydia can't fucking dance? Not sure if the other daughter is as bad as her; I wasn't paying that much attention. 

OH! Kim said, "We haven't told Micah to go slow or go fast with his relationship." She's still pulling the strings on all her kids' relationships. Too bad she wasn't present enough to save Moriah from that married guy she was riding, huh? 

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Moriah’s whole video was just so cringe worthy. I think she really believes herself to be a deep thinker whose music will give her world wide fame. Her delusional family apparently backs her beliefs. This is not kindness to her.
When the show inevitably ends the kids are still going to be uneducated people with no idea how to make their own way in the world.
 

Veronica obviously realized that the way to ingratiate herself into the family was to badmouth Olivia , a woman she met for one minute. 🙄

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1 hour ago, Gharlane said:

I thought Brandon lived in NYC and walked dogs as a side-hustle, but I might have nodded off or was looking intently at the clock on the wall.

I could've missed it, too, but the only job they mentioned was the dog walking.  
And I thought they said DC, but, once again, this show doesn't hold my attention all that well.

Moriah's video was cringe-worthy bad.  She has a terrible reedy thin voice that isn't on pitch half the time and, based on the couple songs we've heard, has minimal talent as a songwriter.  There is no way she has a future as a singer/songwriter.  I presume Barry/Kim raised all their girls to think in terms of being stay at home wives and mothers and didn't even allow them to consider career paths.  But, now the whole bunch has broken with their fundie background, the girls are not going to be getting married by 20 and are going to need a way to support themselves but have no skills whatsoever.  Then again, the boys were always expected to work and Kim let Ethan fiddle around with old cars rather than learning to read well, so the guys didn't fare much better.

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3 hours ago, JayDub1987 said:

Kim said, "We haven't told Micah to go slow or go fast with his relationship." She's still pulling the strings on all her kids' relationships. Too bad she wasn't present enough to save Moriah from that married guy she was riding, huh? 

I'm surprised she wasn't there giving them instructions!

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I just about choked on my gum when Veronica announced she and Barry found common ground because they've both been affected by narcissistic people. AND she states she's referring to Olivia, because "she calls them as she sees them"!

I kept saying, "Hello, has everyone forgotten Kim's name?" And Barry is so controlling, arrogant, and condescending. He believes he's smarter than everyone around him. 

I hope Olivia makes bank this season and never needs to interact with any Plath.

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6 hours ago, Notabug said:

wasn't so impressed with Olivia's new guy

Omg this is the amazing guy she’s been talking about?  I thought she wanted someone sophisticated, erudite, mature?  This guy is a goober wearing my grandma’s heart shirt.  And sorry.. he’s ugly.

And he’s a dog walker!  🤣

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Almost forgot, and nobody has mentioned this gem yet, when Ethan (was it Ethan?) said he'd rather not have to Kim running around in her mini skirts, said with a smirk. That, combined with the vigorous dunking in the water tank game where Micah was determined to dunk Kim, makes me think these kids - at least the ones who've been exposed to the outer world more - harbor deep resentment towards their narcissistic mother.

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As much as she annoys me, I don't mind Moriahs song. I enjoy songs based upon lyrics first, then melody. She sings of experience, and it's certainly a lot better than some other songs I've reviewed.

Not too keen re: video (for the same reasons as the above posts.)

Am I the only one who wants to see Kim get a revenge "Karen shakedown" for her crap attitude towards Olivia?

Watching Kim show Mariah how to perform a sexy move while wearing an outfit that barely covers her looming bottom, yet Olivia was too worldly.? I just wish someone objective would just point this out in a talking heads.

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4 hours ago, JayDub1987 said:

 

OH! Kim said, "We haven't told Micah to go slow or go fast with his relationship." She's still pulling the strings on all her kids' relationships. Too bad she wasn't present enough to save Moriah from that married guy she was riding, huh? 

It just speaks to Kim's level of delusional narcissism that she seems to think that it is up to HER to tell Micah and his girlfriend how to proceed and that they will follow her instructions without question.

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18 minutes ago, heatherchandler said:

This guy is a goober wearing my grandma’s heart shirt.  And sory.. he’s ugly.

And he’s a dog walker!  🤣

Aww, I like this guy. And I'm impressed she's not swayed by materialistic posessions or surroundings. For all we know, he could be a trust fund kid, who'sa nerd like Olivia? I like the way he's presently treats her, which is 180 from Ethan. She deserves a mate's attention. 

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2 hours ago, Chalby said:

Aww, I like this guy. And I'm impressed she's not swayed by materialistic posessions or surroundings. For all we know, he could be a trust fund kid, who'sa nerd like Olivia? I like the way he's presently treats her, which is 180 from Ethan. She deserves a mate's attention. 

Considering how often Olivia brags about her overseas travels and lives in very expensive cities like LA while traveling back and forth to Minnesota and elsewhere multiple times a year; I think it is pretty clear that she is quite materialistic. She also rented an Air B'B in Sedona, probably the most expensive part of the Phoenix area although production probably paid for it. Perhaps she thinks she's got the financial thing covered with the money she gets from the show.  Or maybe the dogwalker is secretly wealthy like they are in Hallmark movies.

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45 minutes ago, Chalby said:

Aww, I like this guy. And I'm impressed she's not swayed by materialistic posessions or surroundings. For all we know, he could be a trust fund kid, who'sa nerd like Olivia? I like the way he's presently treats her, which is 180 from Ethan. She deserves a mate's attention. 

Same here! I find Olivia very beautiful, physically speaking, and I assumed this guy would be like model beautiful, but he was just an average nice looking bloke who is utterly in love with Olivia and wants to support her dreams and make her happy. He is everything Ethan was not. I love that about him. And so what if he is a dog walker, what's wrong with that? She doesn't seem to be looking for someone who can support her as she has her own healthy wedding photog business which she can live anywhere and still do. I love that she isn't with some uber professional douchebro who is looking for a quick 15 minutes of famewhoredom. This guy seems genuine and lovely and I am so glad she has found someone who is a NORMAL person who also shares some of her thoughts but does not have to be 100% aligned on all matters.  Again, he is everything Ethan is not, and that is a very good thing! I wish them well.

BTW, I loved how Moriah shows up to he own music video taping and says, "Im just winging it, I don't have anything prepared...", which is so this family. Like someone else will pick up the pieces for you. Maybe that's typical thinking in a huge family? I have no idea, or maybe it's just Moriah being her lazy self that we've always seen.

Count me on on wanting to tell Veronica to STFU and not speak Olivia's name ever.

ETA: I wish we could watch Ethan watching this episode, watching Olivia be so happy with another man. He deserves to sit through that and watch what it looks like to communicate with a partner like a normal person.

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Just when I was having soft feelings for Barry because Kim is such a bitch to him, he starts bashing Olivia. Yep Barry is still that unfeeling bastard he was before. 
I like Olivia and get new guy. Micah and Veronica are a joke. There’s something not right with either of them. 

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16 hours ago, JeanJean said:

WOW. Now even new "family members" who don't know her are ragging on Olivia. Methinks you're the mean girl, Veronica. You had what? a one-second encounter with her?

Well, according to Veronica, Olivia walked past and "bumped" Veronica with her shoulder.  So my gosh, no wonder Veronica is taking Barry's side. 

Honestly I wanted to reach through my screen and smack Barry's duhhhh look off his face, and then Veronica's smirk.  Meanwhile, somewhere in Sedona, Olivia is climbing into a bathtub with her man, so....  

 

1 hour ago, Chalby said:

Watching Kim show Mariah how to perform a sexy move while wearing an outfit that barely covers her looming bottom, yet Olivia was too worldly.? 

💯

Kim: Moriah!  You should take your stiletto and shove it into this guy's heart, that would make a statement!

Barry, Micah, Isaac, Ethan: 😳

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1 hour ago, Chalby said:

I just about choked on my gum when Veronica announced she and Barry found common ground because they've both been affected by narcissistic people. AND she states she's referring to Olivia, because "she calls them as she sees them"!

Did I hear them say they spent three hours bad-mouthing Olivia?

 

1 hour ago, heatherchandler said:

OMG this is the amazing guy she’s been talking about?  I thought she wanted someone sophisticated, erudite, mature?  This guy is a goober wearing my grandma’s heart shirt.  And sorry.. he’s ugly.

I have no problems with Brendan but I remember thinking "Are they allowed to sell that t-shirt to men?" when I first saw him. 😀 I noticed on Reddit that there is wild speculation about this turning into a Lifetime Channel movie but have no idea how people are jumping to that conclusion. 🤷‍♂️

 

21 minutes ago, surfgirl said:

BTW, I loved how Moriah shows up to her own music video taping and says, "I'm just winging it, I don't have anything prepared...", which is so this family. Like someone else will pick up the pieces for you. Maybe that's typical thinking in a huge family? I have no idea, or maybe it's just Moriah being her lazy self that we've always seen.

Yeah, I noticed her just "wining it" but wondered if the producer they hired had already storyboarded it and this was an attempt to make the Plaths look spontaneous and creative.

 

22 minutes ago, surfgirl said:

I wish we could watch Ethan watching this episode, watching Olivia be so happy with another man. He deserves to sit through that and watch what it looks like to communicate with a partner like a normal person.

Maybe there will be an "extra footage" special edition of this ep? 😏

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8 minutes ago, Kendra143 said:

I like Olivia and get new guy. Micah and Veronica are a joke. There’s something not right with either of them. 

I canNOT put my finger on what it is, either.  I have commanded my daughter to hurry up and get caught up on this season so she can weigh in.  Veronica looks at Micah like he's a complete stranger that she's been asked to pose with for a commercial, and if Stockholm Syndrome were a facial expression, Micah's nailed it.

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4 minutes ago, laurakaye said:

I can NOT put my finger on what it is, either.  I have commanded my daughter to hurry up and get caught up on this season so she can weigh in.

For some reason, I expect Veronica to speak in a Russian or Slavic accent.

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1 hour ago, surfgirl said:

Same here! I find Olivia very beautiful, physically speaking, and I assumed this guy would be like model beautiful, but he was just an average nice looking bloke who is utterly in love with Olivia and wants to support her dreams and make her happy. He is everything Ethan was not. I love that about him. And so what if he is a dog walker, what's wrong with that?

There is absolutely nothing wrong with being a dog walker as long as he is able to support himself independently on whatever his income might be.  The average dog walker in the US makes about $20 an hour.  That's $41, 600 a year before taxes.  Most dog walkers are self employed, so he would need to pay FICA and health insurance in addition to federal and state and local income taxes out of that.  I presume he would also need some sort of liability insurance in case a dog got away and was hit by a car or if a dog bit someone while he was walking it. 

In other words, Brandon would have a tough time supporting himself with that income and certainly renting Air B'n B's in Sedona would not be in his budget.

The average rent for a studio apartment in DC is $1800, that would be well over half of his take home pay, hence my thinking that he's living in his mom's basement or in some other situation where someone else is paying the bulk of the rent.

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1 hour ago, Gharlane said:

For some reason, I expect Veronica to speak in a Russian or Slavic accent.

She kinda reminds me of Natasha in the old Rocky cartoons even though she really doesn't look much like her.

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2 hours ago, Notabug said:

There is absolutely nothing wrong with being a dog walker as long as he is able to support himself independently on whatever his income might be.  The average dog walker in the US makes about $20 an hour.  That's $41, 600 a year before taxes.  Most dog walkers are self employed, so he would need to pay FICA and health insurance in addition to federal and state and local income taxes out of that.  I presume he would also need some sort of liability insurance in case a dog got away and was hit by a car or if a dog bit someone while he was walking it. 

In other words, Brandon would have a tough time supporting himself with that income and certainly renting Air B'n B's in Sedona would not be in his budget.

The average rent for a studio apartment in DC is $1800, that would be well over half of his take home pay, hence my thinking that he's living in his mom's basement or in some other situation where someone else is paying the bulk of the rent.

Dog walkers in high COL areas can make 6 figures if they have a lot of clients. I think it's unfair to assume he's living below poverty level.

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22 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Dog walkers in high COL areas can make 6 figures if they have a lot of clients. I think it's unfair to assume he's living below poverty level.

I found US government data on the average income of dog walkers and those are the numbers I shared.  Yes, he might be an elite, high end dog walker to the stars, but that was not my impression of him.  He could also be making far less than the average income for dogwalking.  Maybe we'll find out in future episodes; but he just didn't seem all that invested or ambitious about his career to think that he would've done the hustling necessary to get to the top of the heap.

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1 hour ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Dog walkers in high COL areas can make 6 figures if they have a lot of clients. I think it's unfair to assume he's living below poverty level.

You, madam, are correct, but then you usually are! xo

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44 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

Can someone remind me what Kim does for a living? 

A naturopath, a choreographer (now with a music video credit), and a showgirl? Tugboat captain?

 

4 hours ago, Notabug said:

She kinda reminds me of Natasha in the old Rocky cartoons even though she really doesn't look much like her.

Put a blonde wig on Natasha and it's pretty close...in Cartoon World.

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23 hours ago, JeanJean said:

I thought Barry meant Kim is a narcissist and was so happy he said it. Nope. What a dense wuss.

I did too! 

Is Barry still under the spell  of the "Mini-skirted" (trademark ETHAN) Momma?  I need Barry to meet a strong wonderful woman who has watched this series from Day One--who is smart, educated, and has common sense--who finds him an interesting work in progress.  Perhaps SHE can help Barry see Olivia's transformation--which ain't over yet.   Bobby Clanton, "Just a Dream," 1958.

Speaking of Kim's blue knit frock, what caused that belted look below her belly and all around...like pantyhose rollin', rollin', headin' toward her legbones?

 

 

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3 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

Can someone remind me what Kim does for a living? 

Same thing Barry and Ethan and Olivia and Moriah and Micah do; pretend to have real jobs while actually receiving the bulk of their income from appearing on a reality TV show.

 

 

5 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Dog walkers in high COL areas can make 6 figures if they have a lot of clients. I think it's unfair to assume he's living below poverty level.

I doubt that the above average money that they might make would come anywhere near the excess expenses that come with residing in a high COL area.  There’s plenty of data out there showing that while people living in expensive places earn more but it doesn’t make up for the extra living expenses they have.  I’d like to see some data on who these dog walkers are who are making 6 figures and just how many of them really exist.

Also, $41000 a year is well above the poverty level for a single person.  It just isn’t enough to afford much more than a very basic lifestyle.

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Yeah, I get how the TLC money might be nice, but I can’t imagine it would pay all that much…especially their show.  I would think some of the larger stars of TLC got better checks, but now days….hmmm……not Plathville cast members. But, Idk.   Perhaps, they cut a good deal.  I don’t keep up with ratings anymore, but it doesn’t seem to be a top show.  
 

At one point, I think the cast of Little People Big World and Sister Wives did ok.  Things change.  90 Day is the new popular franchise and friom what I’ve read on that, their pay is very low.  Shocking when you consider the humiliation they bring on themselves.  

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8 hours ago, Notabug said:

Also, $41000 a year is well above the poverty level for a single person.  It just isn’t enough to afford much more than a very basic lifestyle.

Very basic.  I’m assuming he isn’t shopping at high end stores, we see his style ie heart shirt.

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