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Jon Chu won the Critics Choice Award for Best Director. Wicked also won Critics Choice Awards for Best Production Design and Best Costume Design...

‘Wicked,’ ‘Emilia Pérez’ and ‘The Substance’ Lead Critics Choice Awards, but ‘Anora’ Nabs Best Picture: Full Winners List
By Michaela Zee   Feb 7, 2025
https://variety.com/2025/film/news/critics-choice-awards-2025-winners-list-1236300265/ 

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Meanwhile, “Wicked” director Jon M. Chu, who wasn’t nominated in the Academy Awards’ best director category, beat out several Oscar nominees to win the best director honor at the Critics Choice Awards. “I’m going to win that Oscar!” Chu said jokingly on stage.
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BEST DIRECTOR 
Jacques Audiard – “Emilia Pérez” 
Sean Baker – “Anora” 
Edward Berger – “Conclave” 
Brady Corbet – “The Brutalist” 
Jon M. Chu – “Wicked” (WINNER)
Coralie Fargeat – “The Substance”
RaMell Ross – “Nickel Boys”
Denis Villeneuve – “Dune: Part Two” 
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BEST PRODUCTION DESIGN 
Judy Becker, Patricia Cuccia – “The Brutalist” 
Nathan Crowley, Lee Sandales – “Wicked” (WINNER)
Suzie Davies – “Conclave” 
Craig Lathrop – “Nosferatu”  
Arthur Max, Jille Azis, Elli Griff – “Gladiator II”  
Patrice Vermette, Shane Vieau – “Dune: Part Two”  
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BEST COSTUME DESIGN 
Lisy Christl – “Conclave”  
Linda Muir – “Nosferatu”  
Massimo Cantini Parrini – “Maria”  
Paul Tazewell – “Wicked” (WINNER)
Jacqueline West – “Dune: Part Two”  
Janty Yates, Dave Crossman – “Gladiator II”

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Cynthia Erivo has an incredible singing voice. I think someone here has an axe to grind. 

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There was no requirement that this role be played by a black actress. Erivo is a Tony Award winner and one of the more acclaimed musical actresses of her peer group.

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I saw this last night and was absolutely blown away.  And, as a singer, am baffled as to how anyone could disparage Cynthia Erivo’s performance (aside from one really ugly reason).  Both Erivo and Gra

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Wicked won the SDSA Award for Best Comedy/Musical Design...

Set Decorators Society of America Awards: Full list of winners includes 2 for ‘A Complete Unknown’
Denton Davidson    February 7, 2025
https://www.goldderby.com/article/2025/set-decorators-society-of-america-awards-winners-list-a-complete-unknown/ 

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Best Comedy/Musical Design
Deadpool & Wolverine — set decoration by Naomi Moore & Imogen Lee with production design by Raymond Chan
Kinds of Kindness — set decoration by Amy Silver with production design by Anthony Gasparro
Nightbitch — set decoration by Ryan Watson with production design by Karen Murphy
Wolfs — set decoration by Melissa Levander with production design by Jade Healy
[winner]Wicked — set decoration by Lee Sandales with production design by Nathan Crowley

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Wicked won the AARP Movies for Grownups Award for Best Screenwriter...

AARP Movies for Grownups Awards: ‘A Complete Unknown’ Wins Best Picture
BY KIRSTEN CHUBA   FEBRUARY 8, 2025
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/aarp-movies-for-grownups-awards-a-complete-unknown-1236130928/ 

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Best Screenwriter
Jacques Audiard, Thomas Bidegain, Nicolas Livecchi (Emilia Pérez)
Jay Cocks and James Mangold (A Complete Unknown)
Winnie Holzman and Dana Fox (Wicked) (WINNER)
Peter Straughan (Conclave)
Denis Villeneuve and Jon Spaihts (Dune: Part Two)

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Wicked won the Artios Award for Big Budget Feature Comedy...

Casting Society’s 2025 Artios Awards Winners Include ‘Wicked,’ ‘Conclave,’ ‘Hacks’ and ‘Shogun’
By Beatrice Verhoeven   February 12, 2025
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/casting-society-2025-artios-awards-winners-1236134787/ 

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BIG BUDGET FEATURE COMEDY

WICKED: PART I: Bernard Telsey, Tiffany Little Canfield. Associate Casting Director: Ryan Bernard Tymensky. Location Casting Director: Tamsyn Manson

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Wicked won an ADG Award and two MUAHS Awards......

Art Directors Guild Awards: ‘Wicked’, ‘Nosferatu’, ‘Conclave’ Take Top Film Prizes; ‘Fallout’, ‘Shogun’ Among TV Winners – Full List
By Erik Pederson   Feb 15, 2025
https://deadline.com/2025/02/art-directors-gulid-awards-2025-winners-list-1236291154/ 

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FANTASY FEATURE FILM
Wicked
Production Designer: Nathan Crowley


‘Wicked,’ ‘The Substance,’ ‘The Penguin’ and ‘Palm Royale’ Among Make-Up and Hair Stylists Guild Winners
By Beatrice Verhoeven   Feb 15, 2025
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/make-up-and-hair-stylists-guild-winners-2025-1236137030/ 

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Best Period and/or Character Make-Up
Wicked
Frances Hannon, Alice Jones, Nuria Mbomio, Johanna Nielsen, Branka Vorkapic
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Best Period and/or Character Hair Styling
Wicked
Frances Hannon, Sarah Nuth, Sim Camps, Gabor Kerekes

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Wicked won 2 BAFTA Awards (Costume Design and Production Design)...

BAFTA Film Awards: ‘Conclave’ (Best Film), ‘The Brutalist’ (Best Director and Actor) Win Four Each 
By Georg Szalai   Feb 16, 2025
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/bafta-awards-2025-winners-list-film-1236136679/ 

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Costume Design
BLITZ Jacqueline Durran
A COMPLETE UNKNOWN Arianne Phillips
CONCLAVE Lisy Christl
NOSFERATU Linda Muir
WICKED Paul Tazewell
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Production Design
THE BRUTALIST Judy Becker, Patricia Cuccia
CONCLAVE Suzie Davies, Cynthia Sleiter
DUNE: PART TWO Patrice Vermette, Shane Vieau
NOSFERATU Craig Lathrop
WICKED Nathan Crowley, Lee Sandales

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Something I've noticed while listening to the song Popular on my phone is how good Ariana is.  There's so much going on in the scene to look at that I missed, or didn't appreciate, some of the vocal choices she made.  I did hear some people say that she was trying too hard to be Kristen Chenowith, and I can kind of hear that in this particular song, but I still give her props for how well she played the role.  

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Wicked won 2 NAACP Image Awards...

NAACP Image Awards: ‘The Six Triple Eight’ Wins Outstanding Motion Picture; Keke Palmer Named Entertainer of the Year
By Angelique Jackson, Michaela Zee   Feb 22, 2025
https://variety.com/2025/film/awards/naacp-image-awards-2025-winners-list-1236312345/ 

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Outstanding Soundtrack/Compilation Album
“Wicked: The Soundtrack” (Republic Records)
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Outstanding Costume Design (Television or Motion Picture)
“Wicked” – Paul Tazewell (Universal Pictures)

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Wicked won a MPSE Golden Reel Award for Music Editing...

‘Dune 2,’ ‘Wicked’ Among Sound Editors’ Golden Reel Award Winners
By Carolyn Giardina   Feb 23, 2025
https://variety.com/2025/artisans/news/mpse-sound-editors-golden-reel-awards-2025-winners-1236315019/ 

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Outstanding Achievement in Music Editing – Feature Motion Picture
Wicked
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Supervising Music Editors
Jack Dolman
Catherine Wilson
Supervising Vocal Editor
Robin Baynton

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‘Wicked’ and ‘Agatha All Along’ Take Home Top Honors at ICG Publicists Awards
By Jazz Tangcay   Feb 28, 2025
https://variety.com/2025/artisans/news/icg-publicists-awards-2025-winners-list-1236322947/ 

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Maxwell Weinberg Award for Motion Picture Publicity Campaign
“Bad Boys: Ride or Die” – Sony Pictures Entertainment
“Beetlejuice Beetlejuice” – Warner Bros. Pictures
“Deadpool & Wolverine” – Marvel Studios / Walt Disney Studios
“Emilia Perez” – Netflix
“Gladiator II” – Paramount Pictures
“The Strangers: Chapter 1” – Lionsgate Films
“Wicked” – Universal Pictures (WINNER)

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‘Wicked,’ ‘Emilia Perez,’ ‘What We Do in the Shadows’ Among ACE Eddie Winners
By Carolyn Giardina   March 14, 2025
https://variety.com/2025/artisans/news/ace-eddie-awards-2025-winners-list-1236334670/ 

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BEST EDITED FEATURE FILM (Comedy, Theatrical)
“Anora” – Sean Baker
“Challengers” – Marco Costa
“A Real Pain” – Robert Nassau
“The Substance” – Coralie Fargeat, Jérôme Eltabet, Valentin Féron
WINNER “Wicked” – Myron Kerstein, ACE

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Finally saw it on Peacock this weekend. I enjoyed it for the most part. I forgot about Kristin and Idina's cameo's so was pleasantly surprised by that.

I don't consider myself to be slow to figure things out in general but watching the movie was the first time I realized that it is NessaRose that Dorothy's house lands on. I was kind of outraged when I figured that out, I like Nessa!

I knew what CE was bringing to the table and she did not disappoint. But I was pleasantly surprised by AG, she was really good.

I've only see the play once and have no recollection of Act 2, so will be interested to see what happens when Part 2 is released.

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I just finished watching on Peacock and it was both over the top and pretty enjoyable. The ending scenes with Elphaba “turning wicked” in defying the Wizard and escaping are pretty spectacular. I may end up buying the Blu-ray in part because many of the musical elements were great. I never saw the stage play and didn’t know all the details though I’ve seen Defying Gravity performed a few times

Ariana was pretty over the top as a ditzy Glinda but she was pretty good over all and Cynthia just killed it

Did the Wizard know Elphaba before given the way he greeted her or was he overly familiar with her initially because he was already aware of her and had already conspired with Madame Morrible to bring Elphaba to him and unlock the special book?

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My 9 year old forced me to watch this with her over spring break and I’m glad I did! I thought this was really great and it was giving me Harry Potter vibes in a good way. Ariana looks way better in this than in real life so I was happy to see that (she’s very hard to look at on the red carpet, etc). I read the book a long time ago so had a gist of the backstory here but was still confused in parts and a lot of that is my fault since I was working on a crossword puzzle while watching. 
SO- Galinda was “bad” and Elphaba was “good” but somehow that switches by the time we get to The Wizard of Oz? The Wizard has always been a bad guy? I’m confused and now have to rewatch. 
Loved all the dancing and most of the musical numbers. The high pitch singing just doesn’t work for me even though I think it was done well. Elphaba (Cynthia) was a stand out for me. 

In my mind while watching I kept trying to tie everything in to The Wizard of Oz (I’ve been a fan since I was little-own the collector Barbie Dolls, had the 1980’s lunch box when I was a kid and just recently visited Land of Oz at Beech Mountain- glad I did because Hurricane Helene came through and did a number on it). 

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45 minutes ago, Spartan Girl said:

I take it from this you haven’t seen the stage show, so I’ll just say all will be revealed in act 2.

Yes- I’ve only read the book over a decade ago. 
I get that there will be a part two but this first part felt like it only left more questions. At least with Harry Potter it felt like a problem was introduced and solved while also introducing a new plot point for the next movie/book. This just felt like a big, “wait, what?” movie to me. 

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On 2/1/2025 at 6:48 PM, MadyGirl1987 said:

It's a dramatic musical, the drama and music is what people are going for, not a flying monkey chase during the climatic scene of act one.

Yes. This was my biggest problem with the movie. The scene felt like it went on a bit too long. 

On 3/28/2025 at 9:58 AM, DanaK said:

Did the Wizard know Elphaba before given the way he greeted her or was he overly familiar with her initially because he was already aware of her and had already conspired with Madame Morrible to bring Elphaba to him and unlock the special book?

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The Wizard is Elphaba's biological father. 

@Mountainair I would save yourself the time and either wait until next year when Part 2/Act 2 is released or read a synopsis of the stage musical. 

1 hour ago, Mountainair said:

At least with Harry Potter it felt like a problem was introduced and solved while also introducing a new plot point for the next movie/book.

This is because until the final book, each Harry Potter book was 1 movie. It told a complete story as the author intended. 

For people who have seen the musical, breaking up Wicked into two movies isn't a problem because we know the story, where everything is going, and how it all fits together. For people unfamiliar with the musical, it's a bit of a problem. It does not tell a complete story. 

When I first heard the run time was over 2 and a half hours, I was very worried about what they had done to pad the story and that they had added things because they could. I was concerned the movie would feel long and like it was taking forever. I was wrong. The movie absolutely zipped along.  

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The Oscar contenders with the most to gain during CinemaCon this year
Christopher Rosen   March 28, 2025
https://www.goldderby.com/article/2025/cinemacon-preview-oscar-contenders/

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Wicked: For Good (Universal)
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Why it matters: Wicked: Part One was an unqualified success, earning over $742 million worldwide and scoring 10 Oscar nominations, including Best Picture, Best Actress for Cynthia Erivo, and Best Supporting Actress for Ariana Grande, with two wins (Best Costume Design and Best Production Design). So it goes without saying that expectations are high for Wicked: For Good, the musical adaptation’s finale. However, it remains to be seen how audiences and awards voters will respond to the film’s second act, which is often cited as the weaker portion of the musical. Are Erivo and Grande guaranteed second Oscar nominations for playing the same parts? Will Wicked strike a chord with audiences again? Or maybe those questions are moot because director Jon M. Chu thoroughly nailed Wicked: Part One.


Amazon, Ad Strategies, and Superman: What to Expect From 2025's 'Normal' CinemaCon
Cinema United president Michael O'Leary previews this year's event
By Ethan Alter   March 28, 2025
https://www.adweek.com/convergent-tv/cinemacon-2025-michael-oleary-amazon-superman/ 

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He’s also eager for Universal to unveil the gravity-defying marketing materials behind Wicked: For Good, the second half of the studio’s blockbuster Broadway adaptation.

“We had a presentation for the first part last year, and it was staggering the amount of thought they put into it,” O’Leary recalls. “It was amazing to watch them preview their global campaign.”


WICKED: FOR GOOD - First Theatrical Poster For Universal's Sequel Spotted At CinemaCon
By Mark Cassidy   Mar 28, 2025
https://sffgazette.com/fantasy/movies/wicked-for-good---first-theatrical-poster-for-universals-sequel-spotted-at-cinemacon-a8760#gs.kqj3x1 

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Universal and director Jon M. Chu's Wicked sequel, which was recently re-titled Wicked: For Good, is set to take flight this November, and the first poster has been spotted in the wild at CinemaCon.

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CinemaCon 2025: Every New Universal Pictures Announcement
By DF Writers   April 2, 2025
https://discussingfilm.net/2025/04/02/cinemacon-2025-universal-updates/ 

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Wicked: For Good

Release Date: November 21, 2025.
Directed by Jon M. Chu.
Screenplay by Winnie Holzman & Dana Fox.
Based on Wicked by Stephen Schwartz & Winnie Holzman.
Produced by Marc Platt & David Stone.
Main Cast: Cynthia Erivo, Ariana Grande, Jeff Goldblum, Michelle Yeoh, Jonathan Bailey, Ethan Slater, & Marissa Bode.

Exclusive Footage Description: At Universal Pictures CinemaCon 2025 panel, Ariana Grande, Cynthia Erivo, Jon M. Chu, and Marc Platt showed attendees a new trailer for Wicked: For Good. The trailer begins with Cynthia Erivo’s Elphaba confronting Ariana Grande’s Glinda on the balcony of her new home in the Emerald City before cutting to a retro Universal Studios logo. Cynthia Erivo’s take on “No Good Deed” blasts as we are shown Elphaba starting a revolution in the land of Oz. She writes “The Wizard Lies” in the sky as she flies on her broom, and the Wizard threatens Elphaba.

The trailer then transitions into Ariana Grande and Cynthia Erivo’s new take on “For Good” — there are brief flashes of Glinda’s wedding sequence, walking the floor covered in flying lights mirroring Jon M Chu’s famous Crazy Rich Asians shot. We never see her face, but we are also shown glimpses of Dorothy and her companions on the yellow brick road as well as talking to the Wizard. In a key moment, Jonathan Bailey’s Fiyero points his gun at Ozian soldiers and hands Elphaba her broom. The chorus of “For Good” ramps up as Elphaba and Glinda hold hands and talk about their friendship.

In a big climactic sequence, Elphaba confronts the Wizard in his chamber with her broom before a final shot of her zooming away from the flying monkeys cutting to the Wicked: For Good title card. 


Wicked: For Good, Jurassic World: Rebirth, M3gan 2.0 And More At CinemaCon 2025’s Universal Pictures And Focus Features Panel - Live Blog
By Jeff McCobb   April 2, 2025
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April 2, 2025 at 8:28 PM
It's time for Wicked: For Good! The orchestra is playing music from that iconic soundtrack, and the audience can't wait to hear who they will be introducing to the stage...
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April 2, 2025 at 8:35 PM
Cynthia Erivo and Ariana Grande are in the building! They're both in black, looking elegant as hell, and take time to thank the conductor by name before introducing Jon M. Chu to take the stage with them. Chu exclaims that this is the third year in a row they have closed this panel, and "thank God it worked out!"

We found out that after the success of the film, Wicked has become the hottest show on Broadway, again, and the highest-grossing Broadway musical of all time. John M. Chu jokingly complains about not receiving any back end, and says he must "get the hell back to LA to finish the film." However, they can't leave without showing us something new...
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April 2, 2025 at 8:44 PM
We just saw "the first look anywhere in the world" at Wicked: For Good! It opens on Elphaba visiting Glinda discretely on her balcony, with the good witch saying, "Elphaba Thropp, just come in before the monkeys spot you."

Largely set to the track For Good, the trailer featured Prince Fiyero hunting Elphaba, but also an intimate moment between them where he spoke of how much he'd changed. He also turns his gun on The Wizard, and throws Elphaba her broom in support. I got goosebumps, the crowd cheered... what else can I say? Wicked: For Good will be released on November 21 of this year.
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April 2, 2025 at 8:46 PM
As the panel ends, the orchestra begins breaking down their set up and congratulating one another on the show. It really was one for the books. ....

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Wicked is a finalist for a 2025 Hugo Award...

2025 Hugo Award Finalists
April 3, 2025
https://seattlein2025.org/wsfs/hugo-awards/2025-hugo-award-finalists/ 

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... The 2025 Hugo Awards, the Lodestar Award, and the Astounding Award will be presented on Saturday evening, August 16, 2025, at a formal ceremony at Seattle Worldcon 2025.
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Best Dramatic Presentation, Long Form

  • Dune: Part Two, screenplay by Denis Villeneuve and Jon Spaihts, directed by Denis Villeneuve (Legendary Pictures / Warner Bros. Pictures)
  • Flow, screenplay by Gints Zilbalodis and Matīss Kaža, directed by Gints Zilbalodis (Dream Well Studio)
  • Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga, screenplay by George Miller and Nick Lathouris, directed by George Miller (Warner Bros. Pictures)
  • I Saw the TV Glow, screenplay by Jane Schoenbrun, directed by Jane Schoenbrun (Fruit Tree / Smudge Films / A24)
  • Wicked, screenplay by Winnie Holzman and Dana Fox, directed by Jon M. Chu (Universal Pictures)
  • The Wild Robot, screenplay by Chris Sanders and Peter Brown, directed by Chris Sanders (DreamWorks Animation)

610 ballots cast for 217 nominees, finalists range 80 to 219

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On 3/29/2025 at 5:32 PM, Sarah 103 said:

For people who have seen the musical, breaking up Wicked into two movies isn't a problem because we know the story, where everything is going, and how it all fits together. For people unfamiliar with the musical, it's a bit of a problem. It does not tell a complete story. 

That's fair, but I enjoyed Wicked pt 1 as a story in its own right, far more than Dune pt 1. And I say this as someone who doesn't know the Wicked story, book or stage show, and who has read Dune. But I came to the Dune movies late and watched them one after another just a couple of months ago. I would have been so mad if I watched Dune pt 1 in theaters, whereas I felt pretty satisfied with Wicked pt 1.

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‘Wicked: For Good’ Trailer: Ariana Grande and Cynthia Erivo Put Glinda and Elphaba to the Test in Dazzling First Footage From Sequel
By Andrés Buenahora   Jun 4, 2025
https://variety.com/2025/film/news/wicked-for-good-trailer-ariana-grande-cynthia-erivo-sequel-1236208527/ 

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Per the official logline, the second film — “set in the Land of Oz, before and after Dorothy Gale’s arrival from Kansas” — will “cover the events of the musical’s second act, following Elphaba and Glinda’s friendship being put to the test as they embrace their new respective identities as the Wicked Witch of the West and Glinda the Good Witch of the North, and how the consequences of their actions will change all of Oz forever.”

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The lasting high of Jonathan Bailey
Bridgerton viscount. Wicked prince. Shakespearean king. As one of Britain’s most in-demand actors kicks off a blockbuster summer with Jurassic World: Rebirth, he’s still feeling the awe of it all
By Olivia Ovenden   June 5, 2025
https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/jonathan-bailey-cover-interview-2025 

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Awe was not in short supply on the many sets of Wicked, one of which included a field of nine million tulips planted in Norfolk to create a technicolour field of flowers. The surrealness of the surroundings was not lost on Bailey. “Being slightly off the M1 in Munchkinland, with Ari [that’s Ariana Grande to you and I] singing a beautiful mezzo soprano, and then seeing cars pulling up on the hard shoulder trying to record it,” he says. “And then seeing men in the sky, [which] turned out to be microlights and drones. It was like Independence Day.”

At the time Bailey had been bouncing between filming the third season of Bridgerton and the Showtime drama Fellow Travelers, about the McCarthy-era “lavender scare” (the persecution of homosexual employees within the US government). He joined Wicked having done only three days of rehearsals. “I remember having four hours to learn how to do a dance move. I did it with Ari, headbutted her, and was like, ‘Gotta go!’” he says. “I think she might have even headbutted me, but it was a meeting of minds, literally.”

Wicked director Jon M Chu had cast him as Fiyero after a ridiculous audition tape Bailey sent of himself half in costume, spinning around on a chair backstage in a theatre dressing room. “You have to be a specific type of person, especially a man, to be able to say ‘OK, this is the ladies’ movie, and I’m going to support them in that journey,’” Chu tells me. “And yet when he’s looking at his character, which could just be seen as a silly character, he had so much depth.”

Bailey only did two and a half weeks of the Wicked press tour, which with each passing interview and new reading of the now infamous “holding space” interview, crept toward the unhinged. “You can’t really gauge the scale of it, even when people say it’s big,” he says. He came home and told his friends things that had happened, and, “Yeah,” they would say, cutting him off, “we already saw that.” His big takeaway from the press tour was: thank the Lord for Jeff Goldblum, who kept him laughing and also told him he’d have a great time in the Jurassic Park universe. “We’ll see how it goes, but there might be a few films down the line where me and him can appear in Jurassic together,” Bailey says. “Dr Ian Malcolm and Dr Henry Loomis on a night out.”
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There is a recurring trick in the second act of a Jonathan Bailey performance. He did it in the second season of Bridgerton, as the cocksure Viscount Anthony met his match and fell in love. The same front-footedness and ego is how he initially played his Wicked character Prince Fiyero, only for doubt and sadness to creep in when he realises he’s picked the wrong girl. “Elphaba awakens him when she says, ‘Otherwise you wouldn’t be so unhappy,’” Chu says of Bailey’s transformative scene in the film. “You can see his whole face change: it’s like black and white to colour.”
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... Bailey has been sent the music for Wicked: For Good, which will be released in November, though he declines my request to play it out loud on the move. “It’s darker, and I’ve got a sense it’s going to go there politically as well,” he says of the next film. “Fiyero’s arc really kicks off and he literally is transformed by the end.”

Though the first film stuck closely to the original stage show, the musical’s shorter second act has allowed space (“held” space?) for them to add new details into the sequel. “There really is lots of new stuff,” he says.

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“When [Fiyero] leaves with Elphaba and they go to her lair where she’s staying – on stage you just accept that she’s living in a pit of dry ice, but in the film it’s really beautifully realised and thought out by the departments and Cynthia and me.”

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There’s also a lot more richness to Galinda and Fiyero’s relationship too, says Bailey, emphasising what the character gives up in order to follow his heart. We pass through a cloud of weed smoke and judgement from three teenagers, who fall silent as two people in their mid-30s walk past enthusiastically discussing Wicked. Bailey keeps going as we start climbing a flight of stairs to cross over another bridge:

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“Fiyero sacrifices and utilises his power and control and command of the army…”

But then he starts to laugh. “I can’t believe we’re talking really earnestly about this.”

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I know the light's off and everyone's left, but I finally saw it, darn it, so I'm chiming in!

First off, I am a theatre person who's... um... a self-admitted non-fan of this musical. I hated what they did to the book, and how they essentially pithed the depth, darkness, and richness of the book and awkwardly twisted it into a trite little girlpower journey. But hey, I liked "Defying Gravity," so there's that.

But! I thought this was just okay, although it had some absolutely gorgeous moments. So just a few thoughts, although I am in the minority on most.

My main takeaways:

Oh, my God, the length! Two and a half hours (plus 10 minutes of credits)? It was interminable. So many numbers just felt overlong and self-indulgent. I get that this was bloated out of all recognizability to make it a two-parter for more $$, but the worst part is, it damages an already weak musical book (not the novel) and structure. The story is about individuality and the fight against fascism and conformity but most of that is irrelevant here -- we get a few Talking Animal references and way too many "isn't Galinda cute and narcissistic?" moments. And my main issue with at least half of the songs is there is no inherent growth within the songs themselves. They start and end in virtually the same place, just saying the same things over and over again. So why do they all have to be 5+ minutes? Jeebus.

My cuts for length would have been:

  • No One Mourns the Wicked needed to be half as long. Maybe a third. I thought it would never end.
  • Dear Old Shiz needed to be a few stanzas and done. See above.
  • The Wizard and I needed to be streamlined. We just did not need those endless minutes. The point was there in the first few stanzas, sheesh.
  • Dancing Through Life was lovely, but again, I got the point. Stop dancing at some point.
  • One Short Day should have been a brief into then done. Cut everything with Chenoweth and Menzel (sorry). It was just pandering and went on forever, adding nothing to the story (even the "Grimmerie" foreshadowing is foreshadowing something we are literally going to find out 5 minutes later).
  • And good lord, why did they chop up "Defying Gravity" so badly? The one number everyone knows and loves from the show? And they chop it up and intersperse it with pointless chase/action scenes and utterly shut down all of the song's desperate momentum. Although yes, I thought Erivo did a fantastic job with the song itself.

While it was most evident in the hatchet job on "Defying Gravity," the movie has a terrible habit of stopping songs, inserting big chunks of action or scenery, then finishing the songs, adding to the feeling that the songs just keep going and going and going.

It's possible to streamline a musical, include the Good Stuff, and still get the point across -- see also Burton's Sweeney Todd. Even if some of the cuts were painful ("The Ballad of Sweeney Todd!"), they were necessary, done with the blessing of Sondheim himself, and resulted in an incredibly tight story that MOVED.

Chu drags out everything, including the visuals. Yes, the movie looks great overall. Great costumes and sets. But I also felt that it is overstuffed and exhausting. Every frame is filled with twinkly lights or visual clutter. And Chu is so visibly in love with his visuals and crowds and other scenes that he just lingers... and lingers... and lingers. Again, it adds to that slow ponderous feel for me. So much of this could have been cut and the movie would have benefited so much. Look at the opening flashback. Cut it in half. Or the opening Shiz scene, which takes forever to establish characters and situations (and why not just have Elphie and Nessa show up without the needlessly complicated "she doesn't go to school here" stuff?). Or look at the Galinda scene where she's sort of just weirdly dancing around the hallway in love with herself. For God's sake, cut it. Does it add to our knowledge of her in any way? Is it even visually interesting? No.

Body Positivity/Representation stuff -- Why are the few overweight women in the movie presented to be the only openly unattractive/ugly people? We get such great representation here otherwise on color, disability, etc. So why is the fat bullying girl still presented that way? Teeth, makeup, everything? She's a cliched mean ugly fat person right out of JK Rowling. (So to a lesser degree is Miss Coddle, and Keala Settle is gorgeous IRL.)

As far as the story, what they did to the original book is a travesty, just like with the musical itself. Gone is the rich complex humanistic and political stuff about bigotry and fascism and we just get a few blink-and-you-miss-it mentions of Talking Animals surrounding a cotton-candy school musical.

The good stuff:

Cynthia Erivo and Ariana Grande were terrific both in performance and sounded absolutely vocally stunning. Speaking as a trained singer, I already knew how amazing Cynthia was, but I had no idea Grande had that kind of range. She was terrific. (Also, anyone who thinks for some godforsaken reason that Cynthia Erivo can't sing or act needs to see "I'm Here" from "The Color Purple," or listen to her quiet, absolutely glorious version of "When You Wish Upon a Star." The control, the lightness, the crystalline vibrato -- it's gorgeous.

Erivo is not only a wonderful singer, she has the rare gift of restraint. She's not overdoing the melisma and she knows how to sing a song to tell a story, how to make the song move and build, and she doesn't fire off every rocket in the first few bars (my main issue with people like Whitney Houston).

Chills -- Elphaba's moment at the dance gave me chills. Gorgeous scene. I also got a few with "Defying Gravity" even though the movie really massacred the number. Jeff Goldblum was great. The supporting cast was good, especially Jonathan Bailey, Marissa Bode (great to see them cast a disabled actress in the role). Peter Dinklage was okay, but I don't know what is up with that man and his inability to do a consistent English accent. At least this one was different from his absolutely horrific accent on Game of Thrones (he literally does some kind of "invented" accent on that show where he twists his vowels in the middle). This one was more traditional High English/posh at least. And his singing was really decent here! (Much better than in "Cyrano," even though I love it beyond the telling, where he basically just carries a tune.)

Anyway. I didn't think this was a bad movie. I just thought it was a bloated, mediocre, overlong mess with a few superb moments. Although I did laugh out loud at all the parents who went and bought the book for their little girls without even reading it first and were consequently horrified. (I love the book and think it's gorgeous, brilliant, and brave, but it is NOT a book for little girls.)

On 11/26/2024 at 5:00 AM, Spartan Girl said:

That’s your opinion. While I haven’t seen the movie yet (going on Wednesday) but I have listened to the film soundtrack, and I thought Cynthia did beautifully.

Agreed 1000%.

On 11/29/2024 at 7:56 PM, arc said:

So, I've never seen the stage show, or even listened to any of the songs before this besides "Defying Gravity", or read the book. So I'm going in ignorant. But to me, the plight of the animals in Oz felt only lightly sketched in, and the enemies-to-friends arc for Elpheba and Glinda felt a little too long and yet just had an abrupt turn at the Ozdust. And what was Fiyero about? Maybe he plays a bigger role later? If this was a standalone movie, I'd say all his scenes were filler.

You're right about all of this. Although Fiyero works better within the story as a whole. His character suffers most with them chopping it in half here.

On 12/1/2024 at 1:47 PM, SeanC said:

I wouldn't say there's padding, there's things to make the sequences more cinematic. Stage and screen having different rhythms.

Based on this film, even if you were to make some cuts, I don't see how you could do the whole musical as one movie without it approaching four hours.

There have been many terrific stage-to-film musical adaptations, so I think it was possible for this to have come in at a full one-movie story at a tight 2.5 or even 2 hours. Padding/bloating out the first half of the show into 2.5 hours alone just felt unforgivable to me.

I was bored through almost all the songs by the second halves because they just felt so pointlessly extended. I wish Winnie Holzman and Dana Fox had taken some lessons from John Logan, who adapted "Sweeney Todd" for film, from Bill Condon, who did "Chicago," or even from Ernest Lehman on "The Sound of Music" (which arguably improved on the original show).

On 12/12/2024 at 5:21 AM, iarwain said:

Yes, they very easily could have fit this into one movie, and it would have been a superior product.  As it is, they padded it out, and this worked to the detriment of several of the scenes and songs.  All this IMO, of course.

You're not alone. I agree.

On 12/31/2024 at 10:48 PM, Slovenly Muse said:

Like, Ariana Grande did a great job with Galinda, but I didn't feel like there was much TO that character. I felt like I really "got" her fake-nice Regina George vibe right away, and got a bit impatient with the amount of time spent reinforcing what we already knew about her. She had a lot of songs, but she didn't really have much of an arc or inner journey, you know what I mean? Meanwhile, almost NO character development or focus was given to Fiyero and even less to Nessa (crossing my fingers for more in part 2), and the whole conflict with the animals was so vague! Why did people want to stop the animals from talking? What were they afraid of specifically? What problems was Oz experiencing that the wizard was blaming on the animals? (How had they never invented cages before? Are ALL animals sentient? What do the people eat? What do the ANIMALS eat? Some of them are carnivorous!) It all felt very hand-wavy.

(Aside: That goat professor was totally trolling Galinda, right? He had NO problem pronouncing any other words with similar sounds. He was doing it on purpose, right?)

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I kind of felt the same about the visuals. They were creative and interesting, the costumes especially were beautiful, but everything was a bit TOO neat and bright and colourful, and the world didn't really feel lived-in. I know a lot of the effects and sets were practical (all those real tulips, for example), but the overall look was too shiny and clean, and it ended up looking more plastic than the Barbie movie somehow. (And then the bad CGI thrown in at times - Elphaba's giant flapping cape drove me to distraction with how fake it looked all through Defying Gravity.) I wasn't surprised when I saw the visual effects were done by Industrial Light & Magic. That's how they felt: Industrial. There was some human messiness and warmth missing from that intensely polished final look. But again, having said that, I still enjoyed it!

I don't know. I feel like I'm doomed to always want more from this concept than its iterations will give me. Maybe the Broadway show is the sweet spot, and it's just my luck that I'll probably never see it (big shows like that don't really come to my area). In any case, I'll definitely watch part 2 when it comes out, and I AM looking forward to seeing where it all goes! Glad fans of the show seem to be enjoying it! If it can make its intended audience happy, then I guess it's doing it right.

One of the reasons I love the book (and I know we differ on that) is that its main plot is truly the bigotry and horror of what is happening to the Talking Animals. It's definitely a fight against fascism front and center and in a way that changes very few of the original Oz elements -- just sees them through a different lens, which I love. The musical removes most of that and makes the story about the misfit nerdy girl who becomes friends with the prom queen. It's like turning Cabaret into a story of a plucky girl who wants to be a star. Removing all the complex foundation trivializes the story so badly.

I also agree with you on the look of the film and the "shiny" effects and vistas and people. It took away from the feeling the world was actually lived-in, and director Chu compounded this for me by stuffing every frame with people, details, fripperies, etc. Just too much stuff.

On 1/1/2025 at 9:50 AM, Spartan Girl said:

Saw it for the second time and despite having been out for a month and moved to the smaller auditorium, it was still packed.

I’ve only just realized that Fiyero’s lanky limbed fancy footwork in “Dancing Through Life” greatly resembles

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The Scarcrow’s! Nice foreshadowing, choreographers! Well played!

 

Keeping it vague: I will always hate this unforgivable plot change from the book (one of two huge changes to the ending). 

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I was actually horrified when I found out the ending of the musical. I actually couldn't believe they would do that. Revolutions are not happy things, and not everyone makes it out. Most importantly, the entire point of the book is the ending and that we know where the story goes. It's meant to be a tragedy; it always was.

(A playwright friend of mine knows Maguire and evidently his attitude is -- while he dislikes what they did to his book, he really likes the house the musical paid for. So he has the last laugh.)

On 2/1/2025 at 3:48 PM, MadyGirl1987 said:

I didn't like how they adapted "Defying Gravity" in the film. Breaking it up for action scenes of Elphaba flying robbed robs it of it's strength. You loose the build-up which gives the final part of it's song power. Messing with the flow of the song was the only major problem of the movie, and it was unnecessary. The song is powerful enough with an action scene. This isn't an action movie where people go for action-packed scenes. It's a dramatic musical, the drama and music is what people are going for, not a flying monkey chase during the climatic scene of act one.

100% this. This bothered me so much. There I was, waiting for the one song from the show I actually like, and then they chop it up into little pieces with lots of weird action setpieces! So many monkeys! So much chasing! Aghghgh.

On 3/29/2025 at 5:32 PM, Sarah 103 said:

For people who have seen the musical, breaking up Wicked into two movies isn't a problem because we know the story, where everything is going, and how it all fits together. For people unfamiliar with the musical, it's a bit of a problem. It does not tell a complete story. 

When I first heard the run time was over 2 and a half hours, I was very worried about what they had done to pad the story and that they had added things because they could. I was concerned the movie would feel long and like it was taking forever. I was wrong. The movie absolutely zipped along.  

But it isn't a movie just for the people who saw the show. It's not supposed to be fan service; it's supposed to be a coherent piece of art on its own. Chopping an already weak adaptation in two just further emphasizes how little story there is to it, and leaves the audience confused. The heroine is finally doing something, and she -- flies away? Okay.

I wish I had felt like it zipped along. For me it took me 3 separate sittings just to finish the movie.

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iarwain

iarwain

7 hours ago, paramitch said:

While it was most evident in the hatchet job on "Defying Gravity," the movie has a terrible habit of stopping songs, inserting big chunks of action or scenery, then finishing the songs, adding to the feeling that the songs just keep going and going and going.

Agree with you there, and I will try to make this the last time I say this:  I really think they should have kept Wicked to one movie instead of trying to stretch it out to two.  It damaged some of the songs as you noted, especially Defying Gravity.  

I also agree with most of the rest of what you said, except that the musical was my favorite form of the story.  I thought the book was interesting, but I didn't love it, so I was fine with the condensed down musical version.  Normally I am a big proponent to sticking to the source material, so that's a bit of an unusual statement from me.

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10 hours ago, paramitch said:

There have been many terrific stage-to-film musical adaptations, so I think it was possible for this to have come in at a full one-movie story at a tight 2.5 or even 2 hours. Padding/bloating out the first half of the show into 2.5 hours alone just felt unforgivable to me.

I was bored through almost all the songs by the second halves because they just felt so pointlessly extended.

None of the songs other than "One Short Day" and  "Defying Gravity" were presented in any sort of extended format compared to the musical. What the movie primarily did was flesh out the stuff happening in between the songs to account for differences between film and theatre.

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iarwain

2 hours ago, SeanC said:

None of the songs other than "One Short Day" and  "Defying Gravity" were presented in any sort of extended format compared to the musical. What the movie primarily did was flesh out the stuff happening in between the songs to account for differences between film and theatre.

Maybe, but Defying Gravity was butchered.  But does that mean One Short Day became One Long Day?  😊

Keywestclubkid

Keywestclubkid

On 6/8/2025 at 12:41 AM, paramitch said:

I know the light's off and everyone's left, but I finally saw it, darn it, so I'm chiming in!

First off, I am a theatre person who's... um... a self-admitted non-fan of this musical. I hated what they did to the book, and how they essentially pithed the depth, darkness, and richness of the book and awkwardly twisted it into a trite little girlpower journey. But hey, I liked "Defying Gravity," so there's that.

But! I thought this was just okay, although it had some absolutely gorgeous moments. So just a few thoughts, although I am in the minority on most.

My main takeaways:

Oh, my God, the length! Two and a half hours (plus 10 minutes of credits)? It was interminable. So many numbers just felt overlong and self-indulgent. I get that this was bloated out of all recognizability to make it a two-parter for more $$, but the worst part is, it damages an already weak musical book (not the novel) and structure. The story is about individuality and the fight against fascism and conformity but most of that is irrelevant here -- we get a few Talking Animal references and way too many "isn't Galinda cute and narcissistic?" moments. And my main issue with at least half of the songs is there is no inherent growth within the songs themselves. They start and end in virtually the same place, just saying the same things over and over again. So why do they all have to be 5+ minutes? Jeebus.

My cuts for length would have been:

  • No One Mourns the Wicked needed to be half as long. Maybe a third. I thought it would never end.
  • Dear Old Shiz needed to be a few stanzas and done. See above.
  • The Wizard and I needed to be streamlined. We just did not need those endless minutes. The point was there in the first few stanzas, sheesh.
  • Dancing Through Life was lovely, but again, I got the point. Stop dancing at some point.
  • One Short Day should have been a brief into then done. Cut everything with Chenoweth and Menzel (sorry). It was just pandering and went on forever, adding nothing to the story (even the "Grimmerie" foreshadowing is foreshadowing something we are literally going to find out 5 minutes later).
  • And good lord, why did they chop up "Defying Gravity" so badly? The one number everyone knows and loves from the show? And they chop it up and intersperse it with pointless chase/action scenes and utterly shut down all of the song's desperate momentum. Although yes, I thought Erivo did a fantastic job with the song itself.

While it was most evident in the hatchet job on "Defying Gravity," the movie has a terrible habit of stopping songs, inserting big chunks of action or scenery, then finishing the songs, adding to the feeling that the songs just keep going and going and going.

It's possible to streamline a musical, include the Good Stuff, and still get the point across -- see also Burton's Sweeney Todd. Even if some of the cuts were painful ("The Ballad of Sweeney Todd!"), they were necessary, done with the blessing of Sondheim himself, and resulted in an incredibly tight story that MOVED.

Chu drags out everything, including the visuals. Yes, the movie looks great overall. Great costumes and sets. But I also felt that it is overstuffed and exhausting. Every frame is filled with twinkly lights or visual clutter. And Chu is so visibly in love with his visuals and crowds and other scenes that he just lingers... and lingers... and lingers. Again, it adds to that slow ponderous feel for me. So much of this could have been cut and the movie would have benefited so much. Look at the opening flashback. Cut it in half. Or the opening Shiz scene, which takes forever to establish characters and situations (and why not just have Elphie and Nessa show up without the needlessly complicated "she doesn't go to school here" stuff?). Or look at the Galinda scene where she's sort of just weirdly dancing around the hallway in love with herself. For God's sake, cut it. Does it add to our knowledge of her in any way? Is it even visually interesting? No.

Body Positivity/Representation stuff -- Why are the few overweight women in the movie presented to be the only openly unattractive/ugly people? We get such great representation here otherwise on color, disability, etc. So why is the fat bullying girl still presented that way? Teeth, makeup, everything? She's a cliched mean ugly fat person right out of JK Rowling. (So to a lesser degree is Miss Coddle, and Keala Settle is gorgeous IRL.)

As far as the story, what they did to the original book is a travesty, just like with the musical itself. Gone is the rich complex humanistic and political stuff about bigotry and fascism and we just get a few blink-and-you-miss-it mentions of Talking Animals surrounding a cotton-candy school musical.

The good stuff:

Cynthia Erivo and Ariana Grande were terrific both in performance and sounded absolutely vocally stunning. Speaking as a trained singer, I already knew how amazing Cynthia was, but I had no idea Grande had that kind of range. She was terrific. (Also, anyone who thinks for some godforsaken reason that Cynthia Erivo can't sing or act needs to see "I'm Here" from "The Color Purple," or listen to her quiet, absolutely glorious version of "When You Wish Upon a Star." The control, the lightness, the crystalline vibrato -- it's gorgeous.

Erivo is not only a wonderful singer, she has the rare gift of restraint. She's not overdoing the melisma and she knows how to sing a song to tell a story, how to make the song move and build, and she doesn't fire off every rocket in the first few bars (my main issue with people like Whitney Houston).

Chills -- Elphaba's moment at the dance gave me chills. Gorgeous scene. I also got a few with "Defying Gravity" even though the movie really massacred the number. Jeff Goldblum was great. The supporting cast was good, especially Jonathan Bailey, Marissa Bode (great to see them cast a disabled actress in the role). Peter Dinklage was okay, but I don't know what is up with that man and his inability to do a consistent English accent. At least this one was different from his absolutely horrific accent on Game of Thrones (he literally does some kind of "invented" accent on that show where he twists his vowels in the middle). This one was more traditional High English/posh at least. And his singing was really decent here! (Much better than in "Cyrano," even though I love it beyond the telling, where he basically just carries a tune.)

Anyway. I didn't think this was a bad movie. I just thought it was a bloated, mediocre, overlong mess with a few superb moments. Although I did laugh out loud at all the parents who went and bought the book for their little girls without even reading it first and were consequently horrified. (I love the book and think it's gorgeous, brilliant, and brave, but it is NOT a book for little girls.)

Agreed 1000%.

You're right about all of this. Although Fiyero works better within the story as a whole. His character suffers most with them chopping it in half here.

There have been many terrific stage-to-film musical adaptations, so I think it was possible for this to have come in at a full one-movie story at a tight 2.5 or even 2 hours. Padding/bloating out the first half of the show into 2.5 hours alone just felt unforgivable to me.

I was bored through almost all the songs by the second halves because they just felt so pointlessly extended. I wish Winnie Holzman and Dana Fox had taken some lessons from John Logan, who adapted "Sweeney Todd" for film, from Bill Condon, who did "Chicago," or even from Ernest Lehman on "The Sound of Music" (which arguably improved on the original show).

You're not alone. I agree.

One of the reasons I love the book (and I know we differ on that) is that its main plot is truly the bigotry and horror of what is happening to the Talking Animals. It's definitely a fight against fascism front and center and in a way that changes very few of the original Oz elements -- just sees them through a different lens, which I love. The musical removes most of that and makes the story about the misfit nerdy girl who becomes friends with the prom queen. It's like turning Cabaret into a story of a plucky girl who wants to be a star. Removing all the complex foundation trivializes the story so badly.

I also agree with you on the look of the film and the "shiny" effects and vistas and people. It took away from the feeling the world was actually lived-in, and director Chu compounded this for me by stuffing every frame with people, details, fripperies, etc. Just too much stuff.

Keeping it vague: I will always hate this unforgivable plot change from the book (one of two huge changes to the ending). 

  Reveal spoiler

I was actually horrified when I found out the ending of the musical. I actually couldn't believe they would do that. Revolutions are not happy things, and not everyone makes it out. Most importantly, the entire point of the book is the ending and that we know where the story goes. It's meant to be a tragedy; it always was.

(A playwright friend of mine knows Maguire and evidently his attitude is -- while he dislikes what they did to his book, he really likes the house the musical paid for. So he has the last laugh.)

100% this. This bothered me so much. There I was, waiting for the one song from the show I actually like, and then they chop it up into little pieces with lots of weird action setpieces! So many monkeys! So much chasing! Aghghgh.

But it isn't a movie just for the people who saw the show. It's not supposed to be fan service; it's supposed to be a coherent piece of art on its own. Chopping an already weak adaptation in two just further emphasizes how little story there is to it, and leaves the audience confused. The heroine is finally doing something, and she -- flies away? Okay.

I wish I had felt like it zipped along. For me it took me 3 separate sittings just to finish the movie.

So you admit you hated it before you saw it i mean i guess there is that .. and you would change and chop the songs while griping that it was changed and chopped already from the book ..

 

 

im just gonna say you knew this wasn't for you why waste your time ..

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