S01 - 1999, ICQ and Beepers

[AnimeMania]

S01.E07: The End of the World as We Know It

Alice goes to a New Year's Eve Y2K party to support her friend; Kat finds a new mystery about her father, while Del reveals an old secret about him that's troubled her.

Premiere Date: Sunday, March 5, 2023      9pm     Hallmark 

[stonehaven]

I want to go back to be there for my Mom but first I gotta make out with my almost boyfriend in the basement. Ahh...to be young and hormonal. 

After the watching the stupidest episode of Equalizer, this was another good one. It wasn't funny but a good look into how everyone coped with Jacob's disapearance.

Glad to see Kat and Aice try to reach each other in present day and Del reaching out to Alice to show her something she loves in pottery was nice. 

[Crs97]

I wondered if Alice would tell Colton that Kat thinks they blame her for Jacob’s disappearance.  Elliott continues to be a delight.  Del continues to leave me half-annoyed/half-compassionate towards her.

Are we close to a season finale?  Husband will not survive a cliffhanger.

[Daff]

8 hours ago, Crs97 said:

I wondered if Alice would tell Colton that Kat thinks they blame her for Jacob’s disappearance.  Elliott continues to be a delight.  Del continues to leave me half-annoyed/half-compassionate towards her.

Are we close to a season finale?  Husband will not survive a cliffhanger.

I wondered that as well because it seemed like Alice lingered as if she wanted to broach the subject. No telling how he would have reacted, however, seeing as how Braaady practically threw her out of the house the night Jacob disappeared. 

[Daff]

Jacob can’t be found, Colton starts sneaking around, money is disappearing. I don’t know, Pollyanna here is thinking more along the lines of a private detective or search specialist rather than an illicit affair. Up to the day Jacob disappeared, Del and Colton only bickered about little household stuff. Sad that Colton, Del, and Cat each withdrew into their own narcissistic grief. It’s as if they never touched each other again. 

[Woopwoopkitty]

I don’t think Colton was cheating.  I'm thinking Money was spent on psychics, PI’s or maybe a ransom for info, none of which led anywhere.

if Colton died 3 months after Jacob that would be end of January and this episode was New Years.  So there’s a month of build up to that event over the next few episodes,I think they advertised 4 remaining.

[Crs97]

Why wasn’t Brady with Kat on New Years Eve?

[Daff]

1 hour ago, Crs97 said:

Why wasn’t Brady with Kat on New Years Eve?

Where’s his posh school? I think he only visited when he could stay longer, mostly in summer. 

[RedInk]

On 3/3/2023 at 3:26 PM, Daff said:

He might have followed her to the pond, but as far as we know, no male has ever time traveled.

I’m really not smart enough to ever wrap my head around time travel plots, so please correct my logic, but here goes:

Time seems to progress on a basically linear path in this alternate timeline. When you jump in the pond in 2023, you’re always transported to 1999/2000 (or at a time a little later than your most recent visit). But when you jump in the pond in 99/00, you wind up exactly where we are in 2023. So if Jacob entered the pond in 1999, he should appear as a child - exactly as he was - in the present day, correct? So we’d be looking for a kid to appear about exactly where the story is in 2023. And if he were to then be encouraged to jump back in, he would be able to relive his life with his family, as though he’d only been missing a few months? I’m confused, but that seems right. 

Edited March 6, 2023 by RedInk

[Bort]

Yeah, that’s how the show has illustrated the time travel thus far. And everything that has happened has occurred with no changes. For instance, Jacob's bicycle that was inexplicably found at the carnival turns out to be there because adult Kat rode it over.

Adult Kat watched Jacob walk into the house and I’m speculating that he came back out and decided to follow her, right into the pond. Except if that’s the case, where is he Present Day? It’s not like he would be lost, he knows his home property, wouldn’t he have shown up at the house?

[Guest]

45 minutes ago, RedInk said:

I’m really not smart enough to ever wrap my head around time travel plots, so please correct my logic, but here goes:

Time seems to progress on a basically linear path in this alternate timeline. When you jump in the pond in 2023, you’re always transported to 1999/2000 (or at a time a little later than your most recent visit). But when you jump in the pond in 99/00, you wind up exactly where we are in 2023. So if Jacob entered the pond in 1999, he should appear as a child - exactly as he was - in the present day, correct? So we’d be looking for a kid to appear about exactly where the story is in 2023. And if he were to then be encouraged to jump back in, he would be able to relive his life with his family, as though he’d only been missing a few months? I’m confused, but that seems right. 

Possibly. They can do almost anything. They could say that the initial time travel is always backward or that the person thoughts influence where they end up or that there is some guiding force determining where you end up. It’s not linear since one day in the present can be one day in the past or can be months. 

They focused a lot on Kat and Alice always being there in the past which wouldn’t be consistent with Jacob finding his way back to the past. 

[RedInk]

30 minutes ago, Dani said:

Possibly. They can do almost anything. They could say that the initial time travel is always backward or that the person thoughts influence where they end up or that there is some guiding force determining where you end up. It’s not linear since one day in the present can be one day in the past or can be months. 

They focused a lot on Kat and Alice always being there in the past which wouldn’t be consistent with Jacob finding his way back to the past. 

You’re right. I guess what I was saying is when you jump from 2023 to the past, you never go to a time earlier than your last jump. Time progresses forward. So Alice never winds up in 1998, for instance, but she did advance a bit to 2000. And when you jump from the past, you wind up in 2023, right where you left it. This is just what we’ve been shown from the mother/daughter. So if it’s like a direct portal or tunnel from one time to another, Jacob would be in 2023 now…or soon. The only really wonky thing is that there’s a gap in the past (Alice goes months between visits when it’s only been days) but not the future. When she returns to the present, she’s been gone for the exact amount of days she was traveling. I feel like that has some purpose. OR…it’s all just magic hand waving and Del’s a witch from the 17th century and Jacob’s in Narnia 😜

Edited March 6, 2023 by RedInk

[Guest]

27 minutes ago, RedInk said:

You’re right. I guess what I was saying is when you jump from 2023 to the past, you never go to a time earlier than your last jump. Time progresses forward. So Alice never winds up in 1998, for instance, but she did advance a bit to 2000. And when you jump from the past, you wind up in 2023, right where you left it. This is just what we’ve been shown from the mother/daughter. So if it’s like a direct portal or tunnel from one time to another, Jacob would be in 2023 now…or soon. The only really wonky thing is that there’s a gap in the past (Alice goes months between visits when it’s only been days) but not the future. When she returns to the present, she’s been gone for the exact amount of days she was traveling. I feel like that has some purpose. OR…it’s all just magic hand waving and Del’s a witch from the 17th century and Jacob’s in Narnia 😜

The gap is why I suspect they are going with a nebulous guiding force than any direct portal from one point to another. The first time Alice skipping months she concluded the pond was deciding when to send her. I wonder what that means for Jacob but him showing up in the present and sent back seems too simple and goes against what they’ve already established. 

[redpencil]

The big difference between Kat/Alice and Jacob is that they're from 2023. He's not. So would he go to the future (for him)? Or would he go to sometime in the past (for him)? Kat/Alice don't go to the future. But even aside from that, they've somewhat tried to imply (I think Elliott said something along these lines at some point) that the pond sends them where they're "supposed" to go. So it's not necessarily a neutral actor.

Edited March 7, 2023 by redpencil

[peachmangosteen]

On 3/5/2023 at 11:30 PM, Crs97 said:

Are we close to a season finale?  

It's on March 26th (1 hour earlier than usual), so there's 3 episodes left.

15 hours ago, Dani said:

Possibly. They can do almost anything. They could say that the initial time travel is always backward or that the person thoughts influence where they end up or that there is some guiding force determining where you end up. It’s not linear since one day in the present can be one day in the past or can be months. 

 

11 hours ago, redpencil said:

But even aside from that, they've somewhat tried to imply (I think Elliott said something along these lines at some point) that the pond sends them where they're "supposed" to go. So it's not necessarily a neutral actor.

Yea, I think they've mentioned the possibility that the lake chooses where to send you a couple times so I think that's probably what they're going with.

[Daff]

All the speculation above is interesting, and leads me to this question: If Jacob had gone to the pond, what could he possibly need to travel back in time to observe or rectify? 
Also, I watched the intro to episode one again, after seeing how long, black, and curly Del’s hair was in the 90s. The woman running is wearing long white nightwear, she’s barefoot, and we only see her back and side (never her face). But that sure looks like Del’s pre-grey hair. And what could that woman possibly have done in 1814 to cause men with guns to be chasing her down?

[bybrandy]

On 3/6/2023 at 8:42 PM, redpencil said:

The big difference between Kat/Alice and Jacob is that they're from 2023. He's not. So would he go to the future (for him)? Or would he go to sometime in the past (for him)? Kat/Alice don't go to the future. But even aside from that, they've somewhat tried to imply (I think Elliott said something along these lines at some point) that the pond sends them where they're "supposed" to go. So it's not necessarily a neutral actor.

I think Jacob went to some other time. I doubt the future because Hallmark isn’t a go into the future kind of channel.  
 

We think Colton died, died right?!  And the hat he’s not going to pop up in 1814?  

 

I don’t think Colton is having an affair. But I don’t think he’s just looking for Jacob either. Because he could tell Del he was doing that. They could do that together. Maybe he can’t access the sinkhole but he knows about it and he’s hiring shady people to help him work it out. 
 

 

[Daff]

7 hours ago, bybrandy said:

think Jacob went to some other time

Logically, that’s a possibility, and given what we know it would only be within the environs of Port Haven and the pond. It would be a real shocker if he turned out to be a geriatric inhabitant of the town. 

[Crs97]

7 hours ago, bybrandy said:

We think Colton died, died right?!  And the hat he’s not going to pop up in 1814?

That was a car accident with a grave so I assume they have a body and he’s really dead.

[SnarkySheep]

On 3/8/2023 at 8:29 AM, Crs97 said:

That was a car accident with a grave so I assume they have a body and he’s really dead.

Unless of course it was one of those deals where the body was burnt/otherwise unidentifiable for some reason, and as it was Colton's truck, it was just reasonable to assume he was the driver.

IMO Colton really did die. But if they somehow find Jacob, the future they knew might be averted. Adult Kat stays near home, Colton remains alive, etc. It would be an entirely different timestream.

[Crs97]

Just now, SnarkySheep said:

Unless of course it was one of those deals where the body was burnt/otherwise unidentifiable for some reason, and as it was Colton's truck, it was just reasonable to assume he was the driver.

IMO Colton really did die. But if they somehow find Jacob, the future they knew might be averted. Adult Kat stays near home, Colton remains alive, etc. It would be an entirely different timestream.

Good point.  Wouldn’t that mean Alice wouldn’t exist?

[Bort]

Kat seemed to already be pretty enamored of Brady. That part probably would’ve played out the same.

[Simba122504]

Of course the father wasn't having an affair. This is Hallmark after all and it's not that kind of show. He was going to meet up with someone he thought could help find Jacob. He used all of the family's money on it. Alex doesn't have chemistry with Spencer and the time travel relationship with Nick is creepy.  

[AnimeMania]

S01.E08: Lovefool

When an old friend returns, Alice realizes her relationship has no future, while Kat is shocked by family secrets; Del tries to take a chance with Byron.

Premiere Date: Sunday, March 12, 2023      9pm     Hallmark 

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, AnimeMania said:

When an old friend returns, Alice realizes her relationship has no future,

[Aliconehead]

So I am guessing that the woman at the funeral is Kat. I am glad that Alice got a little closure with what happened with Nick.  

Del is a pain.  But I do wish she would find out about the prime traveling pond. What if in order for them to fix the past all 3 Laundry’s women need to work together

[SonofaBiscuit]

I am also thinking that the woman crying at Colton’s funeral will turn out to be Kat. I really really hope that Kat or Alice don’t end up causing the accident that kills Colton. (The preview shows him swerving, like he’s trying to avoid something in the road).

Please 🙏🏻 let this be the end of Nick and Alice. Unfortunately, it appears they may be trying to pair Alice with the guy who cooked her a meal this episode. I don’t care about Alice’s love life, and he has a girlfriend.

That was a very good first kiss for Kat and Elliott, and his “WHAT?!” exclamation as she ran off was hilarious, LOL.

[Daff]

Kat climbing into Colton’s truck creeped me out. I screamed-“check the date first!”

12 hours ago, SonofaBiscuit said:

I am also thinking that the woman crying at Colton’s funeral will turn out to be Kat. I really really hope that Kat or Alice don’t end up causing the accident that kills Colton. (The preview shows him swerving, like he’s trying to avoid something in the road).

Assuming either or both went back to prevent the accident, yes, that would be the worst. 
I don’t like Byron. Before this episode, I was thinking maybe he was grown up Jacob, but no matter when he might have traveled to, he was certainly old enough to remember his name. If he had been adopted or fostered, I don’t think he’d tolerate a name change.

[bybrandy]

On 2/28/2023 at 9:39 PM, Simba122504 said:

Kat brought Jacob home, so where did he go? I love and hate the time travel  genre.  
 

I think he saw someone or something out in the yard and chased it into the pond?  The dog?  Maybe also What Colton swerves to avoid?   
 

There is some reason they are making sure Del and bland newspaper man didn’t kiss and the choices are: He’s Jacob but he’d have to have amnesia not to recognize names or his house which hasn’t changed in all these years, Colton isn’t dead and they want to save the first kiss for Colton to see it, or he was responsible for Colton’s death/ or Jacob’s disappearance and we don’t get the first kiss until we have learned that. 
 

I feel like we are supposed to be rooting for Kat and Eliot, but I don’t get that feeling about Del and bland newspaperman… he’s just so bland. 

[Crs97]

Eliot is awesome.  His “What” stole the show.

[Daff]

5 hours ago, bybrandy said:

He’s Jacob but he’d have to have amnesia not to recognize names or his house which hasn’t changed in all these years,

I thought that, too, but he didn’t grow up in Port Haven. Although, appearing out of nowhere, in the past, he might have been adopted out of the area, but, again, at his age, I don’t think he would have accepted a name (first) change and most probably would remember his former surname. Regardless, the “I want to kiss you” scene was very cringeworthy.

[Crs97]

I think Byron is way too old to be Jacob.

[Guest]

32 minutes ago, Crs97 said:

I think Byron is way too old to be Jacob.

I don’t think it’s him but I think the suggestion is that Jacob went back in time a couple of decades and stayed in that time aging normally from there before returning to Port Haven. If he did go through the pond he could show up at any age.

6 hours ago, bybrandy said:

There is some reason they are making sure Del and bland newspaper man didn’t kiss and the choices are: He’s Jacob but he’d have to have amnesia not to recognize names or his house which hasn’t changed in all these years, Colton isn’t dead and they want to save the first kiss for Colton to see it, or he was responsible for Colton’s death/ or Jacob’s disappearance and we don’t get the first kiss until we have learned that. 

I think it’s just to show she’s not ready to move on. 

I want them to explain what happened too Jacob in a non-tragic but really don’t want them to go to far into soap opera territory. 

[Crs97]

2 minutes ago, Dani said:

I think the suggest is that Jacob went back in time a couple of decades and stayed in the time aging from there before returning to Port Haven. If he did go through the pond he could show up at any age.

Ah, that makes sense.  I am never good with time travel plots, though so far I’ve managed to follow this one.

[redpencil]

It had not occurred to me that the woman at the funeral might be Kat until reading it here, but that makes perfect sense and is likely to be the case. I too hope Kat or Alice is not the cause of Colton's accident. That would feel too dark for Hallmark (how would they ever get over that?), so I'm holding out hope it's something else that causes him to swerve.

[Crs97]

Doesn’t Eliot keep saying that they can’t change the past?  I hope that means their being there can’t cause the accident.  Time travel rules make my head hurt.

[Guest]

32 minutes ago, Crs97 said:

Doesn’t Eliot keep saying that they can’t change the past?  I hope that means they’re being there can’t cause the accident.  Time travel rules make my head hurt.

He does but that doesn’t mean they don’t cause the accident. It just means that whatever they did before is what they will do now. Like with the bicycle. Kat trying to save Jacob led to her creating the mystery of the bike. So Kat could in her attempt to save her father result her being the cause of the wreck that kills him. I hope they don’t go that way but it would make sense. 

I wouldn’t count on what Elliot is saying to be fact (although he may know something we don’t since he’s the only one aware in both time periods) because shows that do time travel plots tend to break their own rules repeatedly. 

[Daff]

12 hours ago, Crs97 said:

I think Byron is way too old to be Jacob.

If Jacob went back in time, as the above poster noted, he could have emerged in any time-long ago enough for him to be in his 80s, 90s, or even in the cemetery now.

[Daff]

8 hours ago, Crs97 said:

Doesn’t Eliot keep saying that they can’t change the past?  I hope that means their being there can’t cause the accident.  Time travel rules make my head hurt.

 

7 hours ago, Dani said:

He does but that doesn’t mean they don’t cause the accident. It just means that whatever they did before is what they will do now. Like with the bicycle. Kat trying to save Jacob led to her creating the mystery of the bike. So Kat could in her attempt to save her father result her being the cause of the wreck that kills him. I hope they don’t go that way but it would make sense. 

I wouldn’t count on what Elliot is saying to be fact (although he may know something we don’t since he’s the only one aware in both time periods) because shows that do time travel plots tend to break their own rules repeatedly. 

I think this is an error in writing. What they may have intended was, “You SHOULD’NT change the past.” Unforeseen and unintended consequences may result. The example was stated earlier by Elliot (Alice eliminating her own existence). Other examples have been shown in various time travel stories, mostly involving changing major national or even global events. Just think: Prime Directive.

[RedInk]

9 hours ago, redpencil said:

It had not occurred to me that the woman at the funeral might be Kat until reading it here, but that makes perfect sense and is likely to be the case. I too hope Kat or Alice is not the cause of Colton's accident. That would feel too dark for Hallmark (how would they ever get over that?), so I'm holding out hope it's something else that causes him to swerve.

I’m afraid it is someone from the past that causes him to swerve, mainly because it’s a clip they show repeatedly, and I can’t think of a reason his death scene would be filmed if it weren’t crucial to the plot. Of course if we stick to the “we can’t change the past” rule, it could be a fakeout, and he dies in a different accident later. 

I’ve been making a lot of false assumptions based on this being a Hallmark show, but this series breaks from the formula quite a bit. It reminds me of when I watched the first season of “You” on Lifetime - I couldn’t convince anyone to check it out because of the Lifetime stigma, and I’m having the same issue here. I tell people this one is different, but no one believes me 😜

Edited March 14, 2023 by RedInk

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Daff said:

I think this is an error in writing. What they may have intended was, “You SHOULD’NT change the past.” Unforeseen and unintended consequences may result. The example was stated earlier by Elliot (Alice eliminating her own existence). Other examples have been shown in various time travel stories, mostly involving changing major national or even global events. Just think: Prime Directive.

I disagree. What Elliot is saying is exactly what I would expect from a science teacher. The belief that if time travel is possible you would be unable to change your own past because to do so would create a paradox that could never be resolved. Alice eliminating her own existence wouldn’t just be an unintended consequence but it would make it so she couldn’t go back to erase her own existence creating an unstable time loop. 

Where Alice and Kat are part of a stable time loop. They can’t change the past because they were always there. Everything they try to do to change the past is what they already tried and either failed or will inadvertently create the very thing they are trying to change. They may throw all that out the window but it seems to be what they are going with for now. 

[SnarkySheep]

Someone on Reddit was kind enough to share some screenshots, which I will post here for anyone who hasn't seen them and is interested...

Here's the Landry family record book:

Here's the letter Kat received, with the enclosed photo:

[Daff]

So who do you suppose are: Stephen, Cassidy, Sadie, and Taylor Landry? If Colton has a brother, why have we never heard of/seen him?

[Notabug]

31 minutes ago, Daff said:

So who do you suppose are: Stephen, Cassidy, Sadie, and Taylor Landry? If Colton has a brother, why have we never heard of/seen him?

If they are Colton's siblings, it is weird that they're names are listed intermingled with Delilah and Kate's.  It seems like Stephen would have to be Colton's brother since he is listed between Colton and Delilah.  Presuming they're listed by age, it would seem he would be their contemporary.

Meanwhile, Cassidy is listed just below Delilah but above Kat.  Her name is indented as is Kat's, so she is perhaps part of Kat's generation as are Sadie and Taylor since they're under Kat and also indented.  Cassidy doesn't have a maiden name listed as Delilah does, so she must be a direct descendant and not Stephen's wife.

I vote for Stephen being Colton's brother and having 3 children who all carry his last name.  However, it makes no sense that there is no listing of a wife for him.  Maybe this is laying out the mystery for season 2.

[SnarkySheep]

57 minutes ago, Notabug said:

I vote for Stephen being Colton's brother and having 3 children who all carry his last name.  However, it makes no sense that there is no listing of a wife for him.  Maybe this is laying out the mystery for season 2.

I agree that Stephen is indeed probably Colton's brother, as he is listed after Colton but before Del.

That said, if the kids are his, why no mention of a wife/partner?

Interestingly, Kat's marriage to Brady is also not listed, just the birth of Alice. 

Can Cassidy, Sadie and Taylor possibly be miscarried/stillborn children of Del and Colton? Some people do name them and the dates fit. They also explain why there's a fairly significant age gap between Kat and Jacob. 

 

 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, SnarkySheep said:

Can Cassidy, Sadie and Taylor possibly be miscarried/stillborn children of Del and Colton? Some people do name them and the dates fit. They also explain why there's a fairly significant age gap between Kat and Jacob. 

Seems unlikely since there is no dates of death but the space was left for it to be added. The brother’s kids could be adopted or there are older siblings and partners listed on the previous page. 

[SnarkySheep]

Colton's memorial booklet:

Edited March 15, 2023 by SnarkySheep

[Bort]

The family book is neat but each name could use a parenthetical that says who they are in the family (i.e. child of X). A simple list of names is so vague, how do they know who was who in the previous generations that are long dead?

[Notabug]

20 minutes ago, kariyaki said:

The family book is neat but each name could use a parenthetical that says who they are in the family (i.e. child of X). A simple list of names is so vague, how do they know who was who in the previous generations that are long dead?

A simple family tree like most people have in their family Bible would do the trick.

I think the other names have to be living children of either Colton or Stephen and, since there has been no suggestion that Del has other kids or Kate has other siblings; they have got to be Stephen's.

[Daff]

2 hours ago, SnarkySheep said:

Can Cassidy, Sadie and Taylor possibly be miscarried/stillborn children of Del and Colton?

There are no death dates below the names (thank goodness). DsOB are blurry, except for one in ‘95. So, yes, the idea that Stephen is a brother and the others are his children is likely. The funeral program was interesting, but a better artifact would be the obituary, as it usually lists “survived by”. Unfortunately, scatter-Kat got herself fired.