Bookwalkers Only: Dragons Are Coming

[ybrik]

Yeah I have never thought they were going to go more than 3 seasons with this story. However, I thought I heard that some of those other stories may just be future seasons of this show. Like a season four could be another prequel like this season kind of quickly telling the story of the time between the Dance and the beginning of the 1st Blackfyre rebellion.

With what happens with Luke and Visenya, this is why I thought of ending the season with Jace flying towards Winterfell just to give people something positive to look forward to for season 2. 

Speaking of season 2 which characters do you think are a must  for the show to add for next season? Obviously Cregan, Black Ally, Alys Rivers, Daeron, the Freys and Joanna Lannister.

Edited October 8, 2022 by ybrik

[magdalene]

25 minutes ago, ybrik said:

Speaking of season 2 which characters do you think are a must  for the show to add for next season? Obviously Cregan, Black Ally, Alys Rivers, Daeron, the Freys and Joanna Lannister.

Nettles and her dragon Sheepstealer?

Well, I guess they could  call future seasons:

House of the Dragon - Aegon the Conqueror

House of the Dragon - The Blackfyre Rebellion   etc. etc.

Edited October 8, 2022 by magdalene

[Meredith Quill]

So do we think that they'll not follow the GOT mechanic of having ep 9 be the 'big' episode each season then?

[LanceM]

Ryan Condal did say in his interview on Westeros.org that the name of this show is House of the Dragon and not the Dance of the Dragons implying of course that once this story ends they could delve into another era of Targaryen history in future seasons leaving in place the same name of the show. I still think they are going to go to 4 seasons to cover the dance but we shall see.

I am also curious of which of the other successor shows currently in development that they are going to green light next? Personally I wouldn’t mind them leaving Westeros for a bit and go with the Nymeria show. 

Edited October 9, 2022 by LanceM

[magdalene]

What is the Nymeria show?

[Meredith Quill]

17 minutes ago, magdalene said:

What is the Nymeria show?

10,000 Ships

I'd like to see Aegon the Conqueror's story.

[magdalene]

24 minutes ago, SilverStormm said:

I'd like to see Aegon the Conqueror's story.

Yes.  With Henry Cavill playing him.

Once this season finishes we will be waiting a long time for season 2.  They are supposed to start filming season 2 next March.  Season 1 took 10 months to film and I don't think that's counting post-production, special effects, etc.

Edited October 9, 2022 by magdalene

[ursula]

I'd love to see The Hedge Knight's stories. If GRRM ever gets round to writing more. I'd also love to see the Blackfyre Rebellion... but I want to read it first. Fire and Blood is supposed to be in 2 volumes, right? 

Jahearys I and Alysanne's story has great adaptability value. The showrunners could take a leaf from The Crown and play it out over decades, recasting the principal characters every 2 seasons or so. But I don't believe anyone will have the guts to do it properly. The epic love story between brother and sister is all very well to read on page, but it would be disturbing to see on screen. 

Edited October 9, 2022 by ursula

[magdalene]

It seems no Rhaenyra or Daemon in episode 9 at all.  All the episodes spoilers from that source have come true, so I have no reason to doubt this.

The whole episode is the Greens usurping the throne.

[ybrik]

Okay with GRRM confirming we are getting Daron next season, who else do we definitely need to be seeing next season? I am not sure with him also saying this should last four season that it is more or less likely that we get Cregan next season. I think they could do Jace in Winterfell for an episode or two at least to actually allow him to have more of a character on the show. 

I do keep laughing when reading comments about why Alicent’s kids are being played by actors who look a bit older than what their characters should be and seem to already have their own personalities while Rhae’s oldest kids seem to be played by the correct age and really don’t have more character to them at this point. Sure Jace is being given a little bit in the last episode. I have to stop myself from making a comment or joke about them being virtual redshirts. 

I am going to assume they will eventually age up the three youngest of Rhae’s boys either next season or t he one after since they will be more of factor then. 

I am wondering when we will start getting casting information for the next season. I know there had been the Elizabeth Olsen rumors and people speculating that she could be Alys Rivers or more like fans wishing this. Last post I asked if there was someone you want to see next season, now is there a character you want and do you have an actor you want playing them. 

[kassandra8286]

14 hours ago, magdalene said:

It seems no Rhaenyra or Daemon in episode 9 at all.  All the episodes spoilers from that source have come true, so I have no reason to doubt this.

The whole episode is the Greens usurping the throne.

This morning I was just thinking that would probably be the case, since the last episode is called The Black Queen. It makes sense, since in the book days go by before they release the news of Viserys dying. There will be a lot going on with the Greens, so I'm okay with this choice.

Edited October 13, 2022 by kassandra8286
had episode 10 title wrong

[kassandra8286]

11 hours ago, ybrik said:

I think they could do Jace in Winterfell for an episode or two at least to actually allow him to have more of a character on the show. 

I hope so, too, they could have a little mini-arc of him meeting the Starks and having the affair with the northern girl whose name I forgot (Sara?). I really hope they expand the world past KL, Dragonstone, and Driftmark next season, it's getting a little claustrophobic.

11 hours ago, ybrik said:

Sure Jace is being given a little bit in the last episode. I have to stop myself from making a comment or joke about them being virtual redshirts. 

Right? I was thinking they might end this season with Luke's death but if the Blacks won't even appear again until the last episode, they may not have time, it would seem pretty rushed. If the spoiler source is wrong, and they do have a few cutaways to Dragonstone in episode 9, and that episode ends with Rhaenyra finding out about Aegon's coronation and giving birth to her malformed daughter while screaming revenge, they'd have more time for the Black council to scheme and plot in the final episode. If not, I'm not sure what they'd end the season with.

Edited October 13, 2022 by kassandra8286

[magdalene]

I wish there would be something with them in 9 because we are going to have a long wait for the second season.  But the episode starts immediately after Viserys's death and is shock full of the Greens killing everyone loyal to Rhaenyra,  Aegon being crowned, the small folk rioting in the streets. The Greens take Rhaenys prisoner. And there's one kings guard who is loyal to Rhaenyra doing some really heroic stuff. Rhaenyra doesn't even find out her father died until episode 10.

I can post what goes down in 10 if people care to know?

Edited October 13, 2022 by magdalene

[cambridgeguy]

2 hours ago, kassandra8286 said:

I really hope they expand the world past KL, Dragonstone, and Driftmark next season, it's getting a little claustrophobic.

Daemon spends a fair amount of time in the Riverlands, so I'm sure we'll see Harrenhal, everyone's favorite cursed castle.

2 hours ago, kassandra8286 said:

Right? I was thinking they might end this season with Luke's death but if the Blacks won't even appear again until the last episode, they may not have time, it would seem pretty rushed.

I believe that will come in the finale because it will be an explosive moment - the first dragon vs dragon fight.  Of course, it's supposed to take place during a storm, so odds are it will be too dark for us to see anything, but details.

[Meredith Quill]

22 minutes ago, magdalene said:

I can post what goes down in 10 if people care to know?

If you are sure your source is legitimate, sure.

[Constantinople]

33 minutes ago, SilverStormm said:

If you are sure your source is legitimate, sure.

So now legitimacy matters!

I see how it is!

[magdalene]

1 minute ago, SilverStormm said:

If you are sure your source is legitimate, sure.

They were right about the first 8 episodes. So chances are good for the last two too I am guessing.

Rhaenyra learns about her fathers death and the stress makes her go into premature labor.  The baby is still born.  They have a funeral for the little baby girl. Otto arrives with "generous" terms.  Rhaenyra is tempted to take them and she tells Daemon in private about that prophesy. Daemon is furious to learn about this only now.  He has some kind of emotional break down at the beach. (this was the scene Matt Smith filmed on location which was at the time reported on.) 

Jace and Luke volunteer to be envoys on dragon back.  Jace takes the long difficult route to get help from the Starks at Winterfell.  We don't see this, this is for the second  season.  Luke goes to - I can't remember where he goes to - but Aemond and his dragon are there. which results in Aemond murdering Luke.

Daemon tells Rhaenyra that Luke was murdered. She is not taking it well. End of season.

[Meredith Quill]

5 minutes ago, magdalene said:

They were right about the first 8 episodes. So chances are good for the last two too I am guessing.

Rhaenyra learns about her fathers death and the stress makes her go into premature labor.  The baby is still born.  They have a funeral for the little baby girl. Otto arrives with "generous" terms.  Rhaenyra is tempted to take them and she tells Daemon in private about that prophesy. Daemon is furious to learn about this only now.  He has some kind of emotional break down at the beach. (this was the scene Matt Smith filmed on location which was at the time reported on.) 

Jace and Luke volunteer to be envoys on dragon back.  Jace takes the long difficult route to get help from the Starks at Winterfell.  We don't see this, this is for the second  season.  Luke goes to - I can't remember where he goes to - but Aemond and his dragon are there. which results in Aemond murdering Luke.

Daemon tells Rhaenyra that Luke was murdered. She is not taking it well. End of season.

Lucerys goes to the Baratheon's at Storm's End.

Refresh my memory; in the book does she miscarry due to learning that Aegon has usurped her crown or due to learning of the death of Lucerys? Pretty sure it's one of those and not learning of her father's death? I could well be mistaken though.

[Meredith Quill]

The above leads me to the thought; why is the prophecy a big secret to start with? Having only the monarch and the heir know about it is kinda dumb.

I fail to see how it being open knowledge would be a bad thing; some lords will believe and act accordingly, some will not and so ignore it. So.... yeah. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

[magdalene]

6 minutes ago, SilverStormm said:

The above leads me to the thought; why is the prophecy a big secret to start with? Having only the monarch and the heir know about it is kinda dumb.

I fail to see how it being open knowledge would be a bad thing; some lords will believe and act accordingly, some will not and so ignore it. So.... yeah. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

I agree. Viserys had precarious health for a long time and Rhaenyra could have died a number of times in child birth.  Then what?  Daemon should have known about it too - not in the least to prevent him going into a fit about it at the least convenient time.  

Yes, everybody should know.

[Constantinople]

3 hours ago, magdalene said:

Aemond murdering Luke.

That's a strong allegation.

[magdalene]

31 minutes ago, Constantinople said:

That's a strong allegation.

Shrugs. What else would you call it if you kill someone who's running away from  you and doesn't want to fight you?  Somebody much weaker with a much smaller dragon. Yeah, very "cool" and heroic of Aemond. 

[kassandra8286]

5 hours ago, SilverStormm said:

Refresh my memory; in the book does she miscarry due to learning that Aegon has usurped her crown or due to learning of the death of Lucerys?

The former. She was a month away from her due date but her rage and fury upon learning the news sent her into premature labor. The historians imply her rage also caused her daughter to be malformed, and Rhaenyra evidently believed the same, as she vowed revenge on Alicent and her sons for stealing her crown and killing her daughter. And so the dance began.

So if this season ends with Aemond killing Luke, next season will begin with Blood and Cheese. Man, shit's about to get real.

[Lady S.]

1 hour ago, Constantinople said:

That's a strong allegation.

Oh, hardy har har.

The official hbo guide only lists Aegon/Helaena's firstborn son and daughter, which I'm morbidly annoyed about since the Sophie's Choice "son for a son" switcheroo is what really makes Blood and Cheese so shocking and memorable. But now that GRRM's confirmed Daeron still exists, I guess Maelor not being listed isn't hard proof either. 

[ybrik]

11 hours ago, magdalene said:

They were right about the first 8 episodes. So chances are good for the last two too I am guessing.

Rhaenyra learns about her fathers death and the stress makes her go into premature labor.  The baby is still born.  They have a funeral for the little baby girl. Otto arrives with "generous" terms.  Rhaenyra is tempted to take them and she tells Daemon in private about that prophesy. Daemon is furious to learn about this only now.  He has some kind of emotional break down at the beach. (this was the scene Matt Smith filmed on location which was at the time reported on.) 

Jace and Luke volunteer to be envoys on dragon back.  Jace takes the long difficult route to get help from the Starks at Winterfell.  We don't see this, this is for the second  season.  Luke goes to - I can't remember where he goes to - but Aemond and his dragon are there. which results in Aemond murdering Luke.

Daemon tells Rhaenyra that Luke was murdered. She is not taking it well. End of season.

A couple of thoughts about this. It is interesting if true that it is Otto that brings to deal while in the book it is the Maester. Also will we be seeing one of Baratheon girls taunting Aemond or will there be some other reason given for him going after Luke. 

Also I wonder if Jace will get the book Robb/Jayne storyline. He hears the news about Luke at WF and sleeps with/marries Sara Snow. 

12 hours ago, SilverStormm said:

The above leads me to the thought; why is the prophecy a big secret to start with? Having only the monarch and the heir know about it is kinda dumb.

I fail to see how it being open knowledge would be a bad thing; some lords will believe and act accordingly, some will not and so ignore it. So.... yeah. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

I wonder if it is to prevent pretenders coming out trying to claim to be the PTWP. Also maybe to stop people like Rhaegor from actively trying to make it happen. 

[cambridgeguy]

9 minutes ago, ybrik said:

A couple of thoughts about this. It is interesting if true that it is Otto that brings to deal while in the book it is the Maester. Also will we be seeing one of Baratheon girls taunting Aemond or will there be some other reason given for him going after Luke. 

Based on what happened at the dinner Aemond doesn't really need extra motivation to go after Luke - sure, it's the point of no return and guarantees a war, but he doesn't seem like the type to care about keeping the peace.

It's also a miracle that Daemon doesn't kill Otto on the spot - maybe he's elsewhere?  As far as he's concerned Otto has just committed high treason by crowning Aegon over the rightful queen, so he'd be justified in chopping his head off.

[ursula]

23 hours ago, SilverStormm said:

The above leads me to the thought; why is the prophecy a big secret to start with? Having only the monarch and the heir know about it is kinda dumb.

I fail to see how it being open knowledge would be a bad thing; some lords will believe and act accordingly, some will not and so ignore it. So.... yeah. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

They have a literal divine right to rule and keep it to themselves, passing the knowledge through very precarious lines of communication… Viserys could have died in a hunting accident anytime before he chose Rhaenyra as his heir, and that knowledge would have died with him. It’s beyond ridiculous. But that’s what we get when adaptations try to “spice” up things that don’t need spicing. 

[magdalene]

Ok, I just got 100% confirmation - no Rhaenyra  no Daemon in episode 9.

[kassandra8286]

Promo photos from the episode bear this out.

[magdalene]

6 minutes ago, kassandra8286 said:

Promo photos from the episode bear this out.

I think the bells are tolling for the big daddy of the Kings Guard and for my favorite pencil pusher Beesbury.  Killing him is an abomination. A guy like that ought to die peacefully in bed.

So what atrocities is bargain basement Daemon /oops!Aemond going to commit? Him wearing a murder cloak ala his uncle is not ominous at all....

[bunnyblue]

On 10/8/2022 at 2:43 PM, magdalene said:

Do you mean Aemond murdering Luke and cutting his eyes out?

Most of my knowledge of the Dance of Dragons comes from watching HBO's History and Lore on Youtube and reading the character Wikis. Does Aemond really cut out Luke's eyes after killing him?! It takes a certain kind of psycho to desecrate a corpse. 

On 10/5/2022 at 3:49 PM, magdalene said:

They should end with AegonIII and young Viserys unexpectedly reuniting - that was such a touching happy moment for them.

They really should end it on a this somewhat "happy" note. At least in GOT, the Starks, Tyrion, and several fan favorites got relatively happy endings. But the same can't be said for how HotD will have to end. Viewers are about to be put through the emotional ringer, so it would be nice to at least show Aegon, Rhaena, and Baela reunite with their little brother. I think it would also be a good idea to somehow let the casual viewers know that Dany & Jon are descended from Daemon & Rhaenyra's line.

So if the leaks are correct (and they have been so far), this season ends with Luke's death. So next season the big deaths should be Rhaenys and Jace? The Greens better start dying soon to even things out. 

[magdalene]

2 hours ago, bunnyblue said:

Does Aemond really cut out Luke's eyes after killing him?! It takes a certain kind of psycho to desecrate a corpse. 

He does according to some book material. As you probably know the book this show is based on is presented as a history book and the sources quoted in it are rather unreliable and biased.  So this gives the show a lot of leeway in its writing of events. They have already taken advantage of it with the faking of Leonor's death.  They may well soften Aemond a bit for the show just to make him more palatable to some of the audience. Because in the book Aemond is really a straight up psycho who does truly terrible things and then dies young. He's kind of Ramsay level evil.  Daemon does bad shit in the book too but he has swagger and you can tell that GRRM loves that character and is fascinated by him. Even without knowing that GRRM called Daemon his favorite Targ. One can tell.  And the show has humanized Daemon quite a bit through this first season.  So maybe they will soften Aemond a bit for the show too. We will be able to tell in how they choose to present Luke's death.

[cambridgeguy]

12 hours ago, bunnyblue said:

So if the leaks are correct (and they have been so far), this season ends with Luke's death. So next season the big deaths should be Rhaenys and Jace? The Greens better start dying soon to even things out. 

I wouldn't be surprised if season 2 ends with Rhaenyra taking King's Landing to even things out a little.  So goodbye Otto and enjoy your chains Alicent.  In the meantime Aegon would presumably be crippled and in a milk of the poppy haze. 

[Meredith Quill]

It may be a fairly long way off yet, but I'm absolutely relishing seeing the moment when Krispy Kreme gets what will have been a long time coming to him. No glorious or heroic knightly demise for you, asshat.

Disclaimer: It is really awful that children die (from either side).

Much as I may lament Rhaenyra's grisly fate, knowing that Otto Slimetower, Krispy Kreme, Almond, Aegon and Larys all end up paying the ultimate price for their parts in hateful and scheming treachery = totes worth it. Especially knowing that Alicent lives to see everything she conspired to achieve go to shit.

Daemon going out like a fucking absolute BOSS in taking a valuable enemy piece off the board - regrettable but have to say, yup, worth it. 

And only worth it because it's Rhaenrya and Daemon's son who ultimately ends up on the throne.

#TEAMBLACKBABY

[Constantinople]

1 hour ago, SilverStormm said:

It may be a fairly long way off yet, but I'm absolutely relishing seeing the moment when Krispy Kreme gets what will have been a long time coming to him. No glorious or heroic knightly demise for you, asshat.

Leonidas died in exactly the same manner at the end of 300, heroically dying to defend his homeland from tyranny.

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Otto Slimetower, Krispy Kreme, Almond

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...Rhaenrya and Daemon's son who ultimately ends up on the throne

Are you referring to Aegon the Third of His Name, who succeeds to the throne as the heir to Aegon the Second of His Name, thereby acknowledging that Aegon the Second of His Name was the true king and Rhaenyra the usurper?

[Meredith Quill]

3 hours ago, Constantinople said:

Leonidas died in exactly the same manner at the end of 300, heroically dying to defend his homeland from tyranny.

Krispy Kreme WISHES he had the same amount of valor and honour as Leonidas' little finger, bahahahahaha. Leonidas wasn't a dishonourable whiny little whinging bish. No comparison.

3 hours ago, Constantinople said:

Are you referring to Aegon the Third of His Name, who succeeds to the throne as the heir to Aegon the Second of His Name, thereby acknowledging that Aegon the Second of His Name was the true king and Rhaenyra the usurper?

If that idea floats your boat, go with it, heh. He was 'a' king. Just bc someone usurped a throne doesn't mean they deserved it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

[kassandra8286]

4 hours ago, SilverStormm said:

Daemon going out

But does he? Can't wait to see how this plays out on the show, given that his body was never found. 

[Meredith Quill]

29 minutes ago, kassandra8286 said:

But does he? Can't wait to see how this plays out on the show, given that his body was never found. 

I'm assuming worst case scenario and not getting my hopes up, heh.

[magdalene]

14 minutes ago, kassandra8286 said:

But does he? Can't wait to see how this plays out on the show, given that his body was never found. 

  I agree .  The trope no body no death exists for a reason.       

In some ways this story is an up-scale soap opera.  He is exactly the kind of character who might survive the "impossible".       One way or the other - Daemon Targaryan will die because without his dragon and without his sword he would no longer be Daemon Targaryan.      I am not betting on this but there is a chance.  Several weeks ago I watched Josh Horowitz (spelling) interview Matt Smith  and Smith was aware that there was a question mark over his characters fate.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

[Noneofyourbusiness]

28 minutes ago, magdalene said:

In some ways this story is an up-scale soap opera.

Or scaled up, lol.

(dragon joke)

[magdalene]

Big Daddy Kings Guard not dead and walking away surprised me.  They really softened Alicent in episode 9.  Are they going to soften Aemond too?  Some folks in the episode thread have become convinced that Aemond is the nice and decent brother. I saw the trailer and know Storm's End is happening. How could they possibly make that a fair fight? Will they try? Am in the dubious position of wanting the last episode now and not wanting it because after we wait years for the show to come back.

[Cristofle]

4 hours ago, magdalene said:

Big Daddy Kings Guard not dead and walking away surprised me.  They really softened Alicent in episode 9.  Are they going to soften Aemond too?  Some folks in the episode thread have become convinced that Aemond is the nice and decent brother. I saw the trailer and know Storm's End is happening. How could they possibly make that a fair fight? Will they try? Am in the dubious position of wanting the last episode now and not wanting it because after we wait years for the show to come back.

It doesn't look like a fair fight in the preview - Luke's dragon is tiny, especially compared to Vhagar. Also, Luke is under a peace banner, so Aemond essentially commits a war crime when he does it. I'm not sure they're softening Aemond - just making him smarter and more ambitious than Aegon II, which isn't a high bar. Thus far, we haven't seen any indication that Aemond is kind, lol. 

[cambridgeguy]

1 hour ago, Cristofle said:

It doesn't look like a fair fight in the preview - Luke's dragon is tiny, especially compared to Vhagar. Also, Luke is under a peace banner, so Aemond essentially commits a war crime when he does it. I'm not sure they're softening Aemond - just making him smarter and more ambitious than Aegon II, which isn't a high bar. Thus far, we haven't seen any indication that Aemond is kind, lol. 

It's all relative. So far Aemond hasn't been shown to be a rapist, seems to be genuinely fond of his sister, and spends time training instead of slacking off.  He's Daemon 2.0 and a lot of people like the original, so why wouldn't they be fond of his mini-me?

[Meredith Quill]

It's fine imo, Daemon has shown his true colours already, as in the good, the bad and the ugly. Aemond has shown the good and the bad but not the ugly, yet.

ETA: In comparing the two, Daemon has charisma in spades and has shown deep familial love (incest pun not intended heh) and loyalty when it mattered. Aemond has little to no charisma and has only shown any affection for his sister, certainly none displayed for Aegon, Otto or Alicent let alone his father. As for his loyalty, well, he isn't exactly thrilled with his brother becoming king and stated aloud that he deserved it more (a desire Daemon never likewise expressed despite knowing his brother was a weak king - all he wanted was to be his brother's strong right Hand).

[Cristofle]

21 minutes ago, cambridgeguy said:

It's all relative. So far Aemond hasn't been shown to be a rapist, seems to be genuinely fond of his sister, and spends time training instead of slacking off.  He's Daemon 2.0 and a lot of people like the original, so why wouldn't they be fond of his mini-me?

As far as I can see, he doesn't have an ounce of Daemon's charisma (the actor is doing a fine job for the role, but Matt Smith he is not, hence they didn't exactly come off as equals when they stood face to face in the episode before last) so the Daemon 2.0 is falling a little flat for me. But also, Daemon is not kind. Daemon is ruthless. Daemon will kill whoever gets in his way. Plenty of viewers like bad guys, and yes, plenty of them also justify away their actions (never saw the need myself - I can enjoy watching Daemon and acknowledge I am not exactly watching Ned Stark or Jon Snow here). I don't really think the intention of the show is to soften Daemon either, given that they explicitly showed him murdering his wife. So I'm not sure they intend to soften Aemond, especial;y when it comes to this particular crime (killing Luke despite him being under a peace banner and it clearly not being a fair fight, likely more out of old vengeance than any strategic benefit). And ultimately, if it goes anything like the books, Aemond's act will lead to the destruction and death of the only person he really seems to care about, his sister. 

[Dac22]

14 hours ago, SilverStormm said:

ETA: In comparing the two, Daemon has charisma in spades and has shown deep familial love (incest pun not intended heh) and loyalty when it mattered. 

To be fair, that is all open to interpretation. 

For example, both Sara Hess (producer/writer) and Clare Kilner (director) pretty much disagree with the latter part in an interview with The Hollywood Reporter.

They talk about how they are baffled by some takes as Daemon hasn't been shown to be a good partner, brother, or father to anyone on the show up to this point. Hess even agreed with the idea that even all of his benevolent moments were ultimately self-serving. 

Hess also mentioned season two will delve into the nature of his relationship with Rhaenyra which is interesting given it has basically been played up as 'true love' so far in the minds of people. 

Of course, I think one of the showrunners has a different view which shows that not even those involved can absolutely agree.

Edited October 19, 2022 by Dac22

[Meredith Quill]

2 hours ago, Dac22 said:

To be fair, that is all open to interpretation. 

Of course. I'm stating it as my own opinion, not fact. And my opinion remains unchanged regardless of anyone else's, including show-related folks.

[RobertDeSneero]

3 hours ago, Dac22 said:

Hess also mentioned season two will delve into the nature of his relationship with Rhaenyra which is interesting given it has basically been played up as 'true love' so far in the minds of people. 

Maybe he's going to have sex with other women.  Perhaps Mysaria after having her send Blood and Cheese to the Red Keep.

[magdalene]

Here's the article mentioned, so people can read for themselves:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/house-of-the-dragon-matt-smith-daemon-targaryen-crush-1235242470/

I have said from the start that all the folks shipping Rhaenyra/Daemon as a romance novel are in for a rude awakening. In the book it says, "he was both her biggest support and her biggest weakness". Make of that what you will. I think whatever Daemon's feelings for Rhaenyra are it's all motivated by and tangled up in the Targaryan legacy. If Rhaenyra were a Miss Nobody he wouldn't give her a second glance, and if she became inconvenient she'd be another Rhea Royce.   

On the other hand - in this article it's just the opinion of one writer and one director.  Ryan Condal, etc. may have a different view. 

And the show has been playing up the romance angle. They have grand lovers music themes for their love making on the beach, for their marriage vows. There is hand holding and caressing of the baby belly.  Unless these are more things improvised by Matt Smith - the show is writing them this way.

As for the last episode showing a different Daemon. I feel pretty confident predicting their relationship as it was these last 6 years will be over. She'll miscarry their last child together. He'll be pushing aggressively for war.  She will tell him about the prophesy and he will be furious neither Viserys or Rhaenyra told him before.  I am rather uneasy about the "furious" part.  And according to the leaks Daemon is the one who has to tell Rhaenyra Luke is dead. All of this is bound to put a lot of stress on their relationship.

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and then comes nettles. I'll be interested in seeing how they play that part of the story.

As for Aemond, he's not supposed to be charismatic. If he was, the actor wouldnt be doing his job correctly. 

He's a character with mommy issues that overcompensates alot, they added the interesting thing he may or may not have with his sister, but that might be more a case of people shipping them then anything the writers have shown us.