S06.E10: Nippy

[PeterPirate]

On 7/28/2022 at 12:50 AM, gallimaufry said:

I believe I read/heard that the script was written before the cast shift was known about.  Even so, I find it difficult to predict how a character we've only spent a few minutes with prior would react to any circumstance.  I don't have a problem thinking either Jeff would need nudging into what is blatantly a trap or a play of some kind.  If anything, I think the script let Gene off lightly by not making it tougher to sucker Jeff in.

Well, I am extrapolating somewhat.  Old Jeff had enthusiasm and confidence.  He also knew he had leverage over Gene ("You'll do better next time.")  I find it hard to believe that all was interested in was hearing "Better call Saul".  

On 7/28/2022 at 12:50 AM, gallimaufry said:

Either way though, I do think the new actor did a magnificent job under difficult and frankly thankless circumstances.

I agree with this.  He had to play second fiddle to Carol Burnett.  If anything I would like to see him get a shot at re-filming the opener to 401.  

Edited July 31, 2022 by PeterPirate

[SimplexFish]

5 hours ago, PeterPirate said:

And that right there is the problem.  Old Jeff would not have been skeptical of Gene's plan.  It would have been the buddy who needed the nudging.  No wonder there is confusion.  

I knew this was going to happen:  

That's not the only example.  Old Lionel on The Jeffersons and Old Becky on Roseanne were awesome characters.  Their replacements acted as if they were just happy to be onscreen.   

I really can't blame the new actor, however.  He played his part the way it was written.  If anything, it was the casting of Carol Burnett as the domineering mother that caused the change.  

THIS!!!  Exactly Mr Pirate!

[ShadowFacts]

It strikes me that the Gene we see now is quite different from the one we first met who was terrified of being recognized, to the point of having a Chuck-like episode that required paramedics. He is waltzing around the mall running cons. He may be over confident in thinking that Jeffy is all locked down, not to mention he may assume incorrectly that he has permanently pulled the wool over Marion's eyes. These 2 Nebraskans may trigger some major karma. He has a history of not anticipating consequences of his scheming (Chuck, Howard). This late in the series, why introduce a couple new characters he scams and just gets away with it?  Been there, done that.

[peeayebee]

9 hours ago, Dev F said:

That's at the beginning of this episode, when Jeff is confronting Gene about homing in on his mom. 

Thanks. That's what I get for watching when I'm three sheets to the wind.

21 minutes ago, ShadowFacts said:

It strikes me that the Gene we see now is quite different from the one we first met who was terrified of being recognized, to the point of having a Chuck-like episode that required paramedics. He is waltzing around the mall running cons. He may be over confident in thinking that Jeffy is all locked down, not to mention he may assume incorrectly that he has permanently pulled the wool over Marion's eyes. These 2 Nebraskans may trigger some major karma. He has a history of not anticipating consequences of his scheming (Chuck, Howard). This late in the series, why introduce a couple new characters he scams and just gets away with it?  Been there, done that.

(bolded part) That's the point, right? We've seen Gene living as anonymous a life as he can. He keeps getting scared he's going to get found out, and then he is, and he decides he's done running away. He comes up with the scam/con and rediscovers his old self, Slippin' Jimmy. With the final shot of him hanging up the Saul shirt & tie we don't know if he's saving it for later, saying goodbye to that persona, just indulging in some nostalgia (which is what I think), but we'll see.

I'm liking this ep more than before simply because I want to see what it leads to.

[Eulipian 5k]

22 hours ago, anoninrva said:

Saul may have just had a bottle of his own in the garish mansion,

The opening teaser of this season highlighted the Stopper, made a point that we should notice it. I don't believe they'd do that for a random bottle top Saul had; it's "their" or Giselle's souvenir from the first seasons.

Though Gene seems to be knocking back a few drinks lately, 🍹 🙂

[scenario]

1 hour ago, ShadowFacts said:

It strikes me that the Gene we see now is quite different from the one we first met who was terrified of being recognized, to the point of having a Chuck-like episode that required paramedics. He is waltzing around the mall running cons. He may be over confident in thinking that Jeffy is all locked down, not to mention he may assume incorrectly that he has permanently pulled the wool over Marion's eyes. These 2 Nebraskans may trigger some major karma. He has a history of not anticipating consequences of his scheming (Chuck, Howard). This late in the series, why introduce a couple new characters he scams and just gets away with it?  Been there, done that.

I think this is a lot of it. When Jeff met Gene the first time, Gene was timid and afraid so that brought out he bully in Jeff. But Gene thought about it and his earlier more self confident self came out and like a classic bully Jeff changed. The bully backing down to a bigger bully. 

[ShadowFacts]

24 minutes ago, peeayebee said:

Thanks. That's what I get for watching when I'm three sheets to the wind.

(bolded part) That's the point, right? We've seen Gene living as anonymous a life as he can. He keeps getting scared he's going to get found out, and then he is, and he decides he's done running away. He comes up with the scam/con and rediscovers his old self, Slippin' Jimmy. With the final shot of him hanging up the Saul shirt & tie we don't know if he's saving it for later, saying goodbye to that persona, just indulging in some nostalgia (which is what I think), but we'll see.

I'm liking this ep more than before simply because I want to see what it leads to.

I think he has to say goodbye to the Saul persona, he can never be that again. He is Slippin' Jimmy, he even has Marco's ring on.  But he's still running away inasmuch as he has to silence Jeffy in an elaborate way so he can continue to evade being ID'd and caught. Or so he thinks.

[Irlandesa]

5 hours ago, PeterPirate said:

Well, I am extrapolating somewhat.  Old Jeff had enthusiasm and confidence.  He also knew he had leverage over Gene ("You'll do better next time.")  I find it hard to believe that all was interested in was hearing "Better call Saul". 

That was a guy on the offense.  Gene/Saul was still in defense mode since running from his old life which we've now learned wasn't that long ago. 

Being found out helped Gene reestablish his equilibrium and he went on offense.  Jeff isn't the same guy because Gene isn't the same guy.  Jeff did not expect to see Gene/Saul simultaneously charming his mother at the kitchen table and sound vaguely threatening.

Old Jeff might have been a little more menacing but nothing we learned in this ep isn't believable of both Jeffs.  I can believe he fell in with a bad crowd.  I can believe he was still not sure what he wanted to do with what he knew.  I can believe he'd be a thrill seeker and unable to resist a score. I can believe he'd be dumb enough to not anticipate the next step. 

[PeterPirate]

1 hour ago, peeayebee said:

With the final shot of him hanging up the Saul shirt & tie we don't know if he's saving it for later, saying goodbye to that persona, just indulging in some nostalgia (which is what I think), but we'll see.

I'm liking this ep more than before simply because I want to see what it leads to.

I've given up trying to predict what will happen, but I still post about what I want to happen.  And I want to see this show end with Kim and Jimmy voluntarily turning themselves in to the authorities.  They are criminals.  They belong in prison.  But I also want to like these people again, which means they have to turn themselves in and not just have the law catch up to them.  

For me the key moment of this episode was when Gene stopped in the hallway and put his head in his hands just after spilling his guts to Frank.  In contrast, after he pulled a similar stunt on the insurance lady, he confidently strode out of the office with an almost malevolent look on his face.  Gene is nowhere near seeking to atone for his actions.  But at least he is facing up to his own reality, and that's a start.   

2 hours ago, SimplexFish said:

THIS!!!  Exactly Mr Pirate!

Thank you!  But I'm just Peter.  Mr. Pirate was my father.  Good ol' Peg Leg Padraig.   

4 minutes ago, Irlandesa said:

That was a guy on the offense.  Gene/Saul was still in defense mode since running from his old life which we've now learned wasn't that long ago. 

Being found out helped Gene reestablish his equilibrium and he went on offense.  Jeff isn't the same guy because Gene isn't the same guy.  Jeff did not expect to see Gene/Saul simultaneously charming his mother at the kitchen table and sound vaguely threatening.

Old Jeff might have been a little more menacing but nothing we learned in this ep isn't believable of both Jeffs.  I can believe he fell in with a bad crowd.  I can believe he was still not sure what he wanted to do with what he knew.  I can believe he'd be a thrill seeker and unable to resist a score. I can believe he'd be dumb enough to not anticipate the next step. 

I agree the change in leverage could explain the change in the demeanor of Jeff.  But I still think Old Jeff would have been thrilled to be pulling a con with the great Saul Goodman.  

Edited July 28, 2022 by PeterPirate

[Eulipian 5k]

20 hours ago, scenario said:

Gene was reading up on football, contributing more to the discussions.

I love how he carried on several conversations without knowing anything about, or even what sport they were talking about. But Jimmy is a slave to his scams so he'll do all the homework to keep it going.

[Eulipian 5k]

On 7/27/2022 at 9:57 AM, Constantinople said:

Much more happens in Granite State than Nippy, and much of it occurs in Albuquerque. It's not just Walt in a cabin alone.

In GS we get our protagonist alone, in an isolated cabin, in an isolated town. Gene is in a pre-pandemic shopping mall, with people to scam interact with. GS did convey the cold much better; that was a tough walk into town for Walt..

[gallimaufry]

10 minutes ago, PeterPirate said:

I've given up trying to predict what will happen, but I still post about what I want to happen.  And I want to see this show end with Kim and Jimmy voluntarily turning themselves in to the authorities.  They are criminals.  They belong in prison.  But I also want to like these people again, which means they have to turn themselves in and not just have the law catch up to them.  

I agree, and this is where their compressed timeframe does work for them as it feels like they could plausibly have Jimmy serve 15 years in prison and still tell the story of his life afterwards.  Age makeup is always a risk but since they've been ageing them down so drastically, ageing them up should be doable - probably more of an issue for Kim than Jimmy.

I wonder though - what would Kim actually be found guilty of?  At minimum, she'd lose her law licence, but as far as we know that's not an issue for her.  There's spiking the photographs but that proof was long since destroyed - just her word for it.  She gained planning approval under false pretences - could this meet the bar of fraud if it was voluntarily stamped by the clerk?  If Kim reveals it, of course, Mesa Verde would pay the price and the lady who was duped would be humiliated.  I assume there was eventually some pushback on the wrong plans but I'm not sure if the source of the confusion would ever have been identified beyond doubt.  Then there are all the lies about Huell and lots of lies by omission - as a couple, they received stolen goods and she perverted the course of justice by concealing a murder.  I'm sure there are a number of crimes she could confess to but a lot of them feel very blurry to me, with no hard evidence that could distinguish this from a fishing expedition.

Also, frankly, I'm not sure Kim needs to do time in the same way.  I get that there's an argument that she should face justice under the law but I don't believe she's soulless and I think Howard's final moments and her willingness to kill a stranger will haunt her to the end of her days and punish her more effectively than a prison term would.  I think there are other, more meaningful, ways that she can atone.

For Jimmy, I think there was always a wedge that came between him and Chuck from the point that Chuck begrudgingly rescued him from prison.  Without that help, he wouldn't have spent miserable and humiliating years trying to earn the respect of a brother who had already written him off and he would probably continue bumbling along, bouncing between sales jobs and light criminality.  I'm not sure if going to prison cleans that slate - we know by now that Jimmy really can't help himself - but it at least offers some penance.

The thing I find a little puzzling though.  609 reframes Jimmy's descent into Saul as a tragedy.  It's a terrible, dehumanising reaction to the loss of Kim.  But 610 (and 405: "quite a ride, huh?"; and 201: "SG was here") show that Jimmy really loved being Saul and misses it.  The love story in the past of the show is really Jimmy and Kim.  The love story of the Saul years appears to be Jimmy McGill and Saul Goodman.  That feels like a rather abrupt twist away from the 90% of the series so far but they could still make it work.  They've always said they wanted to answer the question: "What problem does becoming Saul Goodman solve?"  I guess the Gene-era question is: "What is another solution to the problem besides becoming Saul Goodman?"

[peeayebee]

50 minutes ago, Eulipian 5k said:

I love how he carried on several conversations without knowing anything about, or even what sport they were talking about. But Jimmy is a slave to his scams so he'll do all the homework to keep it going.

Yeah, I loved that, particularly the first conversation where he kept trying to say noncommittal things:

Quote

Frank: So, catch the game last night?
Gene: The game.
Frank: What the hell is wrong with those guys?
Gene: I can't even talk about it.
Frank: Really thought this was the year.
Gene: Yeah, me too.
Frank: You know, Texas wasn't even ranked.
Gene: I know.
Frank: Play-calling was crazy.
Gene: The worst.
Frank: Three downs to make a foot and a half.
Gene: How hard can it be?
Frank: Well, you can't win when Martinez plays like that.
Gene: Martinez. I mean, what's up with him?
Frank: You think something's off?
Gene: Maybe.
Frank: Next week, Oklahoma State.
Gene: The Okies.
Frank: Huh?
Gene: Uh, that's what we called them.

[PeterPirate]

1 hour ago, gallimaufry said:

I wonder though - what would Kim actually be found guilty of?  At minimum, she'd lose her law licence, but as far as we know that's not an issue for her.  There's spiking the photographs but that proof was long since destroyed - just her word for it.  She gained planning approval under false pretences - could this meet the bar of fraud if it was voluntarily stamped by the clerk?  If Kim reveals it, of course, Mesa Verde would pay the price and the lady who was duped would be humiliated.  I assume there was eventually some pushback on the wrong plans but I'm not sure if the source of the confusion would ever have been identified beyond doubt.  Then there are all the lies about Huell and lots of lies by omission - as a couple, they received stolen goods and she perverted the course of justice by concealing a murder.  I'm sure there are a number of crimes she could confess to but a lot of them feel very blurry to me, with no hard evidence that could distinguish this from a fishing expedition.  

I think Kim entered into a criminal conspiracy when she visited Lalo in lockup.  She asked Lalo for information that would help find her husband, thereby assisting him in his quest to help Lalo esacpe a murder charge.  She could be charged with Felony Murder for Howard's death on that basis.  At the very least she was an accessory-after-the-fact for Howard.  I doubt she would face criminal charges for planning the scam against Howard.  But Cheryl could appear at her sentencing hearing and tell her story. 

This is just my opinion.  I'm not a member of the bar, just a graduate of the Jack McCoy School of Law & Order.  (Speaking of which, RIP to Paul Sorvino, who was in the second and third seasons of the original L&O.  His character left the show after he was shot and severely wounded by a criminal played by Mark Margolis.)    

Whether Kim actually goes to prison is less important to me, however.  What I want to see is Kim come clean and take whatever consequences follow.  Jimmy/Saul/Gene hasn't done any of the real work to get himself to the same place, but if he turns himself in because he loves Kim, I will be happy that I watched this show.  

[scenario]

Are any of the bad guy's from BB still alive in the Gene timeline? 

I can see Gene deciding to do the right thing and one of them showing up and killing Gene before he has a chance to come clean. 

[qtpye]

1 hour ago, gallimaufry said:

The thing I find a little puzzling though.  609 reframes Jimmy's descent into Saul as a tragedy.  It's a terrible, dehumanising reaction to the loss of Kim.  But 610 (and 405: "quite a ride, huh?"; and 201: "SG was here") show that Jimmy really loved being Saul and misses it.  The love story in the past of the show is really Jimmy and Kim.  The love story of the Saul years appears to be Jimmy McGill and Saul Goodman.  That feels like a rather abrupt twist away from the 90% of the series so far but they could still make it work.  They've always said they wanted to answer the question: "What problem does becoming Saul Goodman solve?"  I guess the Gene-era question is: "What is another solution to the problem besides becoming Saul Goodman?"

I think after Kim left Jimmy had no more F's to give and went full Saul. There is probably something freeing about no longer giving a damn about trying to live up to the expectations of other people.

However, did Kim love Jimmy or Saul?

Before Howard's death, we see her giving tips on how to be as tacky as possible.

She probably loved both to some degree.

I think the tragedy is some part of Jimmy wants to be a good person. However, he seems not to be able to do it for himself but will do it for someone he loves or respects like Chuck or Kim.

Now that he truly has no one-what will Gene become?

[peeayebee]

17 minutes ago, PeterPirate said:

This is just my opinion.  I'm not a member of the bar, just a graduate of the Jack McCoy School of Law & Order.  (Speaking of which, RIP to Paul Sorvino, who was in the second and third seasons of the original L&O.  His character left the show after he was shot and severely wounded by a criminal played by Mark Margolis.)    

Wow. No way would I remember Mark Margolis shooting Paul Sorvino in that ep.

5 minutes ago, scenario said:

Are any of the bad guy's from BB still alive in the Gene timeline? 

Good question. Doesn't seem like any of them survived.

[Eulipian 5k]

Kim has no legal exposure, except from her guilt. Howard's body will NEVER be found, neither Kim nor Jimmy know where he, Lalo, or the Lab is. Howard is not connected to the Lab in any way.

Saul is wanted for money laundering, not murder, or drug dealing, the murderers and drug dealers are all dead so who could "rat" Gene out and for what crime?

The Howard file will remain open for ~10 years and become the subject of an award winning documentary by Marshall Joseph "Joey" Dixon, shot with the "good" camera.

[Cinnabon]

21 minutes ago, Eulipian 5k said:

Kim has no legal exposure, except from her guilt. Howard's body will NEVER be found, neither Kim nor Jimmy know where he, Lalo, or the Lab is. Howard is not connected to the Lab in any way.

Saul is wanted for money laundering, not murder, or drug dealing, the murderers and drug dealers are all dead so who could "rat" Gene out and for what crime?

The Howard file will remain open for ~10 years and become the subject of an award winning documentary by Marshall Joseph "Joey" Dixon, shot with the "good" camera.

Agree - law enforcement is no doubt much more concerned about finding Jesse, who does have bodies linked directly to him (amongst many other violations). As they should be.

[Constantinople]

45 minutes ago, scenario said:

Are any of the bad guy's from BB still alive in the Gene timeline? 

I can see Gene deciding to do the right thing and one of them showing up and killing Gene before he has a chance to come clean. 

Jesse, but he's in Alaska so I doubt he's much of a threat.

[ShadowFacts]

10 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

Agree - law enforcement is no doubt much more concerned about finding Jesse, who does have bodies linked directly to him (amongst many other violations). As they should be.

I don't know, it looked like his assets were being seized, I think the Justice Dept. would like to see Saul tried, convicted and in prison. Financial crimes are a big part of how drug criminals get caught.  The prosecutors want to know what else he knows.

[scenario]

3 minutes ago, ShadowFacts said:

I don't know, it looked like his assets were being seized, I think the Justice Dept. would like to see Saul tried, convicted and in prison. Financial crimes are a big part of how drug criminals get caught.  The prosecutors want to know what else he knows.

If there are any of the people who used to be minor criminals who are now much bigger, they'd have a reason to kill Saul. 

[PeterPirate]

59 minutes ago, Eulipian 5k said:

Kim has no legal exposure, except from her guilt. Howard's body will NEVER be found, neither Kim nor Jimmy know where he, Lalo, or the Lab is. Howard is not connected to the Lab in any way.

Saul is wanted for money laundering, not murder, or drug dealing, the murderers and drug dealers are all dead so who could "rat" Gene out and for what crime?  

True.  In my little scenario it is Kim's desire to clear her conscience that drives her to go to the authorities. 

Then again,  I imagine the authorities are looking for her to find out what she knows about Saul Goodman's activities.  They may even start to wonder about her abrupt resignation from the bar.  And I'm sure she had to show ID at the Bernallilo county jail in order to visit Lalo.    

Edited July 28, 2022 by PeterPirate

[Cinnabon]

17 minutes ago, ShadowFacts said:

I don't know, it looked like his assets were being seized, I think the Justice Dept. would like to see Saul tried, convicted and in prison. Financial crimes are a big part of how drug criminals get caught.  The prosecutors want to know what else he knows.

I’m sure they do want to find and try him. But his financial crimes are on a completely different level from  Jesse’s crimes. Saul could be imprisoned for years, but they might seek the death penalty for Jesse.

Edited July 28, 2022 by Cinnabon

[Constantinople]

With regards to the various crimes Jimmy/Saul/Gene committed, there are 2 issues

1. What we the viewers know Jimmy/Saul/Gene did
2. What the authorities can prove

As to the first issue, I think Saul committed more than just financial crimes. Saul was part of a criminal conspiracy with Jesse and Walt, and later Mike too, to manufacture and distribute meth, a conspiracy that sometimes used murder to further its ends. So Saul may be guilty of conspiracy to make meth, conspiracy to sell meth, conspiracy to murder (if Law & Order is to be believed). And Saul sometimes directly helped out with some of these murders, for example

• When Jesse killed Gale, it was Saul who was hiding Jesse, and
• Walt devised a plan to kill Gus using information that Jesse passed along to Walt via Saul

Of course, that doesn't mean any of it can be proved given everyone else is dead except for Jesse and Skyler, and Jesse is missing. But if Saul gives himself up and tells the officials everything he knows, perhaps they'll just prosecute him for financial crimes and recommend something less than the full sentence.

[gallimaufry]

The thing about Saul is that he's so connected to the ABQ criminal underworld that he's probably one of the most useful people to find.  However, any deal Saul makes would mean giving up Ed which means giving up Jesse and I just can't see them doing that having already given Jesse two endings.

The only criminals still alive are small-time people.  Probably the most senior, potentially, is Blingy.  He was one of Nacho's lieutenants which likely made him quite senior in the Salamanca territory.  If he was in prison during the BB years, he could come out to find a territory ripe for exploitation.  But why a character with about two scenes, none of which were with Saul, would come back for Saul now is a stretch.  Or, outside the cartel world, Ed is the most "together" criminal but we don't know much about him and with the actor having passed away, we aren't likely to.

[Lalo Lives]

The next Kingpin.

He’s lookin for Jimmy.

[SimplexFish]

I wonder at what season/episode in BrBa did G&G decide that they were going to eventually do a prequel based on Saul? It could not have been in the first couple of seasons...I doubt they ever thought there success was going to be so great much less assuming that the minor character of the cheesy attorney Saul Goodman was going to be a crowd favorite?

Also how much thought was given into "co-writing" BCD as they were writing BrBa to make the upcoming per-series believable? ?   

1 hour ago, Lalo Lives said:

The next Kingpin.

He’s lookin for Jimmy.

Price (not my real name) is my favorite minor character in both shows! 

Edited July 28, 2022 by SimplexFish

[Lalo Lives]

Just now, SimplexFish said:

I wonder at what season/episode in BrBa did G&G decide that they were going to eventually do a prequel based on Saul? It could not have been in the first couple of seasons...I doubt they ever thought there success was going to be so great much less assuming that the minor character of the cheesy attorney Saul Goodman was going to be a crowd favorite?

Also how much thought was given into "co-writing" BCD as they were writing BrBa to make the upcoming per-series believable? ?   

It was discussed on the podcast of ep1.

I’ll try to find link.

3 minutes ago, SimplexFish said:

I wonder at what season/episode in BrBa did G&G decide that they were going to eventually do a prequel based on Saul? It could not have been in the first couple of seasons...I doubt they ever thought there success was going to be so great much less assuming that the minor character of the cheesy attorney Saul Goodman was going to be a crowd favorite?

Also how much thought was given into "co-writing" BCD as they were writing BrBa to make the upcoming per-series believable? ?   

It was discussed on the podcast of ep1.

I’ll try to find link.

oh well. Tried.

technically deficient.

pretty sure discussed on BCS INSIDER PODCAST EP 1 or 2.

[peeayebee]

45 minutes ago, Constantinople said:

And Saul sometimes directly helped out with some of these murders, for example

• When Jesse killed Gale, it was Saul who was hiding Jesse, and
• Walt devised a plan to kill Gus using information that Jesse passed along to Walt via Saul

I really appreciate your (and others') reminders of what has happened in this universe.

Did Saul also help Walt poison Brock? But like you said, this is something we know (if I'm remembering correctly), not something law enforcement would know, esp since there were no suspicions of someone poisoning Brock.

[Lalo Lives]

35 minutes ago, SimplexFish said:

I wonder at what season/episode in BrBa did G&G decide that they were going to eventually do a prequel based on Saul? It could not have been in the first couple of seasons...I doubt they ever thought there success was going to be so great much less assuming that the minor character of the cheesy attorney Saul Goodman was going to be a crowd favorite?

Also how much thought was given into "co-writing" BCD as they were writing BrBa to make the upcoming per-series believable? ?   

Price (not my real name) is my favorite minor charter in both shows! 

Just to be clear that the agreed upon fee of $500 per man is... agreed upon.
 

[gallimaufry]

1 hour ago, SimplexFish said:

Price (not my real name) is my favorite minor charter in both shows! 

Yeah, he's one character I really want to see more of in the last three.  Might be tricky as I gather the actor is now really in-demand but they've been good at paying off most of these minor characters - Irene, the Kettlemans, Lyle, Don, Kevin, Cliff, Rich etc. - and they talked about how one version of the hit and run scam involved the skater twins.

Others on the wishlist for closure: Paige, Ernesto, Schuler, Lydia, Tuco and I really want one last flashback appearance from Chuck.

[scenario]

2 minutes ago, gallimaufry said:

Yeah, he's one character I really want to see more of in the last three.  Might be tricky as I gather the actor is now really in-demand but they've been good at paying off most of these minor characters - Irene, the Kettlemans, Lyle, Don, Kevin, Cliff, Rich etc. - and they talked about how one version of the hit and run scam involved the skater twins.

Others on the wishlist for closure: Paige, Ernesto, Schuler, Lydia, Tuco and I really want one last flashback appearance from Chuck.

One thing I'd like to see more shows do. Mini episodes on line with commercial to pay for them or on a streaming service. You can have 5 or 10 minute scenes with minor characters that don't fit into the main plot but are considered canon to the show. 

[SimplexFish]

13 minutes ago, gallimaufry said:

Yeah, he's one character I really want to see more of in the last three.  Might be tricky as I gather the actor is now really in-demand but they've been good at paying off most of these minor characters - Irene, the Kettlemans, Lyle, Don, Kevin, Cliff, Rich etc. - and they talked about how one version of the hit and run scam involved the skater twins.

Others on the wishlist for closure: Paige, Ernesto, Schuler, Lydia, Tuco and I really want one last flashback appearance from Chuck.

"Favorite Minor BCS Characters and Why?" That would be an interesting topic to hear members thoughts on in this forum

[SimplexFish]

1 hour ago, peeayebee said:

Did Saul also help Walt poison Brock? But like you said, this is something we know (if I'm remembering correctly), not something law enforcement would know, esp since there were no suspicions of someone poisoning Brock.

I sure don't remember Saul having anything to do with that....I do remember Walt returning to his backyard to retrieve the oleander plant, I think it still had the identification tag Lily of the Valley on it from Home Depot/Lowes.

Edited July 28, 2022 by SimplexFish

[Cinnabon]

IIRC, Jesse began to suspect Walt of poisoning Brock when he visited Saul’s office and Huell brushed against him, taking something from him. Not sure if Saul was involved.

[peeayebee]

Yeah, I thought it was either Saul or Huell.

[SimplexFish]

I'm sure everyone has been craving Cinnabon (I sure have) so incase you're wondering the "Cinnabon Classic Roll" like Gene brought to the security guards has 880 calorie. Honestly I thought it would be a lot more LOL

https://fastfoodnutrition.org/cinnabon/classic-roll

Edited July 28, 2022 by SimplexFish

[Cinnabon]

Just now, SimplexFish said:

I'm sure everyone has been craving Cinnabon, so incase you're wondering the "Cinnabon Classic Roll" like Gene brought to the security guards has 880 calorie each. Honestly I thought it would be a lot more LOL

https://fastfoodnutrition.org/cinnabon/classic-roll

LOL. Despite my name here, I don’t even really like Cinnabon. But if Gene brought me a pint of Haagen-Dazs chocolate peanut butter ice cream every few days, I wouldn’t turn it down. 😃

[gallimaufry]

1 hour ago, scenario said:

One thing I'd like to see more shows do. Mini episodes on line with commercial to pay for them or on a streaming service. You can have 5 or 10 minute scenes with minor characters that don't fit into the main plot but are considered canon to the show. 

This is a great idea and actually quite plausible.  The show has had a few of these tie-ins like the Kettleman short a few years ago.  Perhaps it's less likely now production has shut down and people are moving on.  That said, there is something I like about everything being contained in the one place.  BB had a number of webisodes one season and they always felt fundamentally disposable bits.  I think they really need to be scenes as you describe: ones that are interesting and worthwhile but definitely do not have a place in the narrative as told because they're at too much of a tangent.

[Starchild]

1 hour ago, Cinnabon said:

LOL. Despite my name here, I don’t even really like Cinnabon. But if Gene brought me a pint of Haagen-Dazs chocolate peanut butter ice cream every few days, I wouldn’t turn it down. 😃

So good

[peeayebee]

1 hour ago, Cinnabon said:

LOL. Despite my name here, I don’t even really like Cinnabon. But if Gene brought me a pint of Haagen-Dazs chocolate peanut butter ice cream every few days, I wouldn’t turn it down. 😃

You had me at peanut butter and chocolate.

In the Insider Podcast they talked about how Jim O'Heir (Frank) ate a lot of Cinnabons, but not as much as it appeared. There were cut-aways where it looked like he was putting a bite in his mouth, but not. I was happy to hear that because that much Cinnabon would make me 🤮.

[scenario]

2 hours ago, SimplexFish said:

I'm sure everyone has been craving Cinnabon (I sure have) so incase you're wondering the "Cinnabon Classic Roll" like Gene brought to the security guards has 880 calorie. Honestly I thought it would be a lot more LOL

https://fastfoodnutrition.org/cinnabon/classic-roll

Diabetics special. Want to use a months supply of insulin for just one meal? 

[Cinnabon]

1 hour ago, scenario said:

Diabetics special. Want to use a months supply of insulin for just one meal? 

Some people are lucky to be able to eat lots of sugar and not be diabetic (raises hand✋ ). 

[Starchild]

Yet

[Cinnabon]

3 minutes ago, Starchild said:

Yet

I’m 54 so I’m doing ok so far. 🙂

[scenario]

56 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

I’m 54 so I’m doing ok so far. 🙂

That's what everyone thinks. 

[Cinnabon]

28 minutes ago, scenario said:

That's what everyone thinks. 

Ok then. 🤣

[PeterPirate]

Here is a pretty good analysis of the episode.  He makes some observations that match mine.  

He also has good reviews of Platoon and Full Metal Jacket, for those who like war movies.  

[peeayebee]

I particularly liked a couple of observations he made. One was "Gene no longer at the mercy of his powerful clients."

The other is regarding the title. He says that when Marion asks about Nippy the lost dog, Gene tells her that Nippy was just a couple of blocks away and is in great shape. So the ep "Nippy" is a parable of rediscovery, just like Gene rediscovering Slippin' Jimmy/Saul.

I was wondering about the opening title sequence, which he touches on. Thruout the series, the video becomes more degraded, perhaps because of Gene watching them over and over. But as we see with this ep, the tape finally breaks down. What do you all make o this?